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January 1st, 2015 at 7:39:10 AM permalink
THE HOT SHOE, a blackjack documentary with the games biggest names is available free on YouTube
BigJer
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January 3rd, 2015 at 1:54:50 PM permalink
I think it's been on there for a while. Anyway, what the Griffin guy Andy Anderson says that 'it's unfair that certain players are better is not fair to other players.' What a moron!
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January 3rd, 2015 at 3:30:26 PM permalink
Quote: BigJer

I think it's been on there for a while. Anyway, what the Griffin guy Andy Anderson says that 'it's unfair that certain players are better is not fair to other players.' What a moron!



Thanks. I love watching a good gambling documentary.
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January 3rd, 2015 at 5:13:47 PM permalink
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January 3rd, 2015 at 10:31:01 PM permalink
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THE HOT SHOE, a blackjack documentary with the games biggest names is available free on YouTube



Thanks, Scan. I just watched it. I had no idea this documentary was out there.
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January 3rd, 2015 at 11:27:09 PM permalink
Quote: BigJer

I think it's been on there for a while. Anyway, what the Griffin guy Andy Anderson says that 'it's unfair that certain players are better is not fair to other players.' What a moron!

Yea he was certainly a pain in the ass. That's what said in an interview Imagine what he says privately.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 4th, 2015 at 5:53:09 AM permalink
Just watched it. It was entertaining and very interesting to see the interviews with Arnold Snyder, Andy Bloch, Tommy Hyland, etc. Copyrighted in 2003, but I think the content is still accurate. I thought the director, David Layton, did a nice job and it was fun to see how his 10 day experiment worked out.
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January 4th, 2015 at 6:57:13 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Yea he was certainly a pain in the ass. That's what said in an interview Imagine what he says privately.



Yea, he reminds of those kids in the park who would always demand a 20 pace running start because it wasn't fair if some other kid could run faster than them.

"It's not fair you can beat me because you are better and faster!"

LOL.
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January 4th, 2015 at 7:04:51 AM permalink
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Yea, he reminds of those kids in the park who would always demand a 20 pace running start because it wasn't fair if some other kid could run faster than them.

"It's not fair you can beat me because you are better and faster!"

LOL.

No his reasons were because he needs to sell his products(I doubt he believe that) its in his best interest to make it something unfair. He was sued.
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January 4th, 2015 at 7:38:29 AM permalink
It was cool when they showed the lights of the Strip and you saw the Frontier and Stardust marquees. But they also showed blackjack instruction where there was a split hand and they played the second split card first. And it goes without saying that any documentary about someone card counting for a week will end with the player being ahead.

There's also a documentary on you tube entitled Holy Rollers about a Christian card counting team. Very well done.
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January 4th, 2015 at 8:46:46 AM permalink
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It was cool when they showed the lights of the Strip and you saw the Frontier and Stardust marquees. But they also showed blackjack instruction where there was a split hand and they played the second split card first. And it goes without saying that any documentary about someone card counting for a week will end with the player being ahead.

There's also a documentary on you tube entitled Holy Rollers about a Christian card counting team. Very well done.

I heard a rumor they weren't so holy. But neither am I.
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January 4th, 2015 at 9:11:14 AM permalink
Quote: BigJer

I think it's been on there for a while. Anyway, what the Griffin guy Andy Anderson says that 'it's unfair that certain players are better is not fair to other players.' What a moron!



Yes, it is so very not fair that one video poker player is much better at the game than another. But I guess that doesn't count since it works in the casino's favor.
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January 4th, 2015 at 10:14:50 AM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

Just watched it. It was entertaining and very interesting to see the interviews with Arnold Snyder, Andy Bloch, Tommy Hyland, etc. Copyrighted in 2003, but I think the content is still accurate. I thought the director, David Layton, did a nice job and it was fun to see how his 10 day experiment worked out.


I just watched it and agree with your comments. Arnold Snyder was always my favorite blackjack author. I enjoyed watching it and was surprised I wasn't aware it was out there. A must see for any one interested in card counting.
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January 4th, 2015 at 12:22:53 PM permalink
That was an awesome documentary. :)
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January 5th, 2015 at 2:56:11 PM permalink
I really liked how they got all the high profile players, and a little live action =p. Definitely enjoyed it! After a while I found the video's/documentaries run out, so there's less and less to check out/view.

"Do you think that it's right if a math guy knows more and wins more than Tom? Well I don't!" ...lol Tom could study and better himself all the same? I really did enjoy hearing how casino profits are shrinking because of the supply of new casino's, yet how they chunk that even more to try to find the 1 in 100 that might make a few bucks off their game.
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January 5th, 2015 at 4:27:41 PM permalink
Most ignorant statement re: counters:

1:22:41 - 1:22:59

followed by:

1:23:55 - 1:24:08

geez...followed by:

1:24:39 - 1:24:52


(all made by the same gentleman)
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January 7th, 2015 at 8:12:04 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Most ignorant statement re: counters:

1:22:41 - 1:22:59

followed by:

1:23:55 - 1:24:08

geez...followed by:

1:24:39 - 1:24:52


(all made by the same gentleman)

So that's what Paigowdan looks like :)
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January 7th, 2015 at 11:39:35 PM permalink
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So that's what Paigowdan looks like :)



I's kind of funny, because as I was watching and heard Andy Anderson say those things, I too thought of PGDan. The exact same mentality. Obviously to those of us on the other side, this mentality is crazy. But I suspect most people, that don't have a dog in this fight would also find the notion that you are equating thinking to criminal activity as Andy Anderson and Griffin obviously do, quite ludicrous. Now PGDan usually stops short of that. He will say something to the effect that it is against house rules. Again, I think most objective observers, without a dog in this fight would still find that notion ridiculous.
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January 7th, 2015 at 11:52:56 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I's kind of funny, because as I was watching and heard Andy Anderson say those things, I too thought of PGDan. The exact same mentality. Obviously to those of us on the other side, this mentality is crazy. But I suspect most people, that don't have a dog in this fight would also find the notion that you are equating thinking to criminal activity as Andy Anderson and Griffin obviously do. Now PGDan usually stops short of that. He will say something to the effect that it is against house rules. Again, I think most objective observers, without a dog in this fight would still find that notion ridiculous.



Most people I talk to think it is bulls#$% that they can ban card counters from playing. I tend to think being able to ban counters is the only way to keep any playable games around. They could just make blackjacks pay even money and that would be that for counters.

Also, does anyone know when this was made? The video quality makes it look several years old, but Max Rubin looked more aged than I have ever seen him before (on the discovery channel gambling episodes I've seen, I've never met him) so that makes me think this video is fairly recent.

edit: Just googled, it was made in '05
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January 8th, 2015 at 10:16:26 AM permalink
Most of the principal people looked much younger than they do today and a couple, like BJ21 member "math professor" have since passed away.
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