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December 14th, 2014 at 7:41:47 AM
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axel Here's a thought too, you live in Vegas? Perfect, why don't you hop in and video one of your winning video sessions and post it? All about credibility like you say
December 14th, 2014 at 7:44:45 AM
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drich Please confirm how much you are going to bet that I will - put your money where your mouth is don't worry about Axel
If you doubt whether Ive been on here previously contact the site Admin and I can confirm now they have full authority to release that info to you
If you doubt whether Ive been on here previously contact the site Admin and I can confirm now they have full authority to release that info to you
December 14th, 2014 at 7:46:44 AM
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axel who said 30 in a row? me? Check my threads I said I CALLED a losing streak in front of the Casino Manager on Friday morning that lasted 10 hands
December 14th, 2014 at 7:52:16 AM
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Ill say it again I'm not discounting what your saying. Im asking you to post something more compelling thats all. No one will take ANYONE serious with just posting you personal record or observations.Quote: bjmongooseto Twirdman I HAVENT HAD A SINGLE PERSON POST THAT THEY HAVE HAD NORMAL RESULTS WITH VID BJ please ID those posts for me
I'm certain this thread only picked up this much traction because they were anticipating some video Quote: "bjmongoose
I will video the machines in action this weekend." Its now Sunday. Hows that video coming?
I believe everyone who is truly still interested In this topic, is only interested because of the promise of the VIDEO. Here are you going to get some video like you promised?
You mentioned " I'm in Nevada and ready to meet" Come to Vegas (your only 1.5 hours away and it's more exciting here) ill make some time and video your session.
If your concerned that I may have nefarious reasons, perhaps ask around, I have meet up with quite a few members. So far and only a few ended up in my trunk. However, they left unharmed with more than they came with.
I believe they might even run cheap/free bus services to Vegas.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2014 at 7:59:23 AM
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What makes you think he has bus fare ?
December 14th, 2014 at 8:08:24 AM
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axel You didn't answer my post, I clearly said I am willing to post a video and was in the process of setting up when I had my "run in" with the Pioneer management & staff and I was interested in the feedback. If you also check back my posts I asked for feedback on Friday as I recall in terms of what video would satisfy people regarding the machine play. Im not going to do a video and here, "it was only 50 hands"! "why wasn't the sound better" "what time of day was it"!! In my view providing a vid where I start from inserting say 1000 then run through 20 hands at $1 then raise at that point to $5 calling that the next 5-6 hands will result in a push/dealer BJN's/losing hands (playing basic strategy) losses and if I raise higher worse. I would expect from this week that I would do no better than 2 wins out of 10 from the stake increase point. I will then "call" an end to the streak by dropping back down at which point I will win 6 out of 7/8 bets. Is that acceptable to everyone? I will run two others depositing $5 and show winner and even within two hands
December 14th, 2014 at 8:11:14 AM
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to clarify my run in was nothing to do with video etc, it was me going to them for an explanation as per what I outlined yesterday
I don't need money or a cheap bus if there is a concern Im a cashless troll Im happy to take a pic of 20k cash or a pic of a casino machine voucher with 2 or 3k on it.
I don't need money or a cheap bus if there is a concern Im a cashless troll Im happy to take a pic of 20k cash or a pic of a casino machine voucher with 2 or 3k on it.
December 14th, 2014 at 8:17:01 AM
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ala in the next 5 mins why don't you prove you have a nickel to your name? for example take out a nice wad of cash - say 10k?? - and take a pic of it with note in the middle of the pile with my username on it? sound good? tick tock tick tock
December 14th, 2014 at 8:18:18 AM
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ala in fact better yet put ANYTHING in the pic, can you manage $100? lolololololol clock started at 816am so get snapping
December 14th, 2014 at 8:27:24 AM
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ala its 826? trying to borrow from your Mom? cmon
December 14th, 2014 at 8:30:23 AM
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Waiting for yourpix with 20k Bigmouth
December 14th, 2014 at 8:34:07 AM
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sounds good, so what are you willing to wager that I will post instantly? and what are you going to post? a bus fare receipt? Im taking all bets on this guys so go for it
December 14th, 2014 at 8:37:19 AM
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Quote: RSCan the blackjack machine be class 2?
If the machine is not operated by a tribal entity, I do not think it falls under Class II of the IGRA.
In my experience, even tribal casinos prefer to offer Class III ("regular") if they're allowed.
So... I'd guess no, it's not a Class II blackjack machine.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 14th, 2014 at 8:40:49 AM
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dieter Hi, these are Laughlin casinos so Im not sure what you are thinking? Are you saying that ANY type of video BJ should perform like this? thanks
December 14th, 2014 at 8:43:58 AM
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strictly AP / drich - still waiting, any updates? contacted Admin with your troll fears? Samples sizes?? etc etc cmon guys don't just talk show some real action
axel Are you going to post a video of your winning vid BJ sessions? Don't worry I will post first but I am interested to see if you are willing to put your colors to the mast too. Im hoping you do as I will be up straight away to hit them with you
axel Are you going to post a video of your winning vid BJ sessions? Don't worry I will post first but I am interested to see if you are willing to put your colors to the mast too. Im hoping you do as I will be up straight away to hit them with you
December 14th, 2014 at 8:45:03 AM
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ALA IM WAITING you have 2 mins
December 14th, 2014 at 8:48:18 AM
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Right after you post that video of the bj machines that you will never ever rdo because you are
Are a loser. Back to th purpose of this thread. Except that I'll never happen.
Are a loser. Back to th purpose of this thread. Except that I'll never happen.
December 14th, 2014 at 8:49:52 AM
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Quote: bjmongooselol you don't need to do anything thanks. I will make it simple for you, if you played 750 hands during which at virtually ever single point that you increased your bet level you were immediately hit with dealers BJ's and unplayable hands for losing streaks of between 6 & 9? When you dropped back you instantly win win win? Simple bet 25-50 per hand and losing 90% +. drop to 1-2 and win win win
clearly if
My nomination for the dumbest post of 2014.
you feel bullish then head in and give it a whirl yourself
December 14th, 2014 at 8:51:19 AM
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ALA hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha AS I THOUGHT NOT A DIME TO YOUR NAME AND NO BALLS TO BACK IT UP
and remember before calling people "Big Mouth" remember that it was YOU who questioned if I had the bus fare
and remember before calling people "Big Mouth" remember that it was YOU who questioned if I had the bus fare
December 14th, 2014 at 8:54:34 AM
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I wasn't suggesting you needed cheap bus fair. I was suggesting it's convenient And easy(I would consider it, going TO Don's-land since no car is needed there) . I don't suggest posting such Pictures online especially of slot tickets. I don't even think it's wise to post up Jackpot Pictures. I never suggest you were a cashless troll I honestly believe you had a strange experience on the VBJ. I've seen strange things as well. But is that just bad luck you notice or is it predictable? If it happened the opposite way you might be saying you have a miracle betting system.Quote: bjmongooseto clarify my run in was nothing to do with video etc, it was me going to them for an explanation as per what I outlined yesterday
I don't need money or a cheap bus if there is a concern I'm a cashless troll Im happy to take a pic of 20k cash or a pic of a casino machine voucher with 2 or 3k on it.
Yes no doubt going to management will eventually cause a problem, an experienced gambler such as yourself should know that. Even mentioning gaming control is not something they take lightly. FYI don't expect to have gaming show up Anytime soon, if at all. Occasionally they are already there for a different reason. They are stationed in Vegas. Last time someone I know, who called for a legitimate reason, I was told it took 14 hrs for an agent to respond. And the agent wasn't to happy.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2014 at 8:55:24 AM
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TO ANYONE INCLUDING ROCKET SCIENTIST ALA
taking all bets on me posting the video as Ive confirmed a 1000 times I will
You go first ALA and read if you can my last post to Axel which explains what I intend to video, don't want you backing out because I didn't do 100 hands! It was on a Monday! The machine was the wrong color! Im sure you will think of something creative to welch on hahahahahahahahaha
taking all bets on me posting the video as Ive confirmed a 1000 times I will
You go first ALA and read if you can my last post to Axel which explains what I intend to video, don't want you backing out because I didn't do 100 hands! It was on a Monday! The machine was the wrong color! Im sure you will think of something creative to welch on hahahahahahahahaha
December 14th, 2014 at 8:57:24 AM
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ALA why was that the dumbest post? Are you saying you would expect to call losing & winning streaks at exactly a point in time??? interesting
December 14th, 2014 at 8:58:32 AM
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Quote: DieterIf the machine is not operated by a tribal entity, I do not think it falls under Class II of the IGRA.
In my experience, even tribal casinos prefer to offer Class III ("regular") if they're allowed.
So... I'd guess no, it's not a Class II blackjack machine.
At the time I posted that, I wasn't aware this was in Laughlin at the Pioneer.
Is the Pioneer that dirty casino, I think near Colorado Belle, that still advertises "Ticket in, Ticket out" ?
Last time I was there, I found something funny. You know how some machines will show Double Double Bonus up top above the slanted screen (like where you'd see the blue "GAME KING" thing....probably 6 inches high and the width of the machine)? You get on the machine and there's DDB along with 8 or so other variations of VP (JOB, DB, DW, Joker Poker, BPD, BP, etc.). Well I found one that had the "Bonus Poker Deluxe" thing above it. I clicked on the machine and there wasn't a single bonus poker deluxe game on it! Checked all the denominations....nothing!!
I believe that was in the first room, to the right, upon entry. I'm a little fuzzy on the layout, but I'm pretty sure that's where it was.
If you head directly towards the far wall when entering that room, right before you hit the wall, there's a bank to the right. One (or more?) of those machines advertises Bonus Poker Deluxe, but doesn't have Bonus Poker Deluxe.
Not that any of this matters, I just thought it was interesting.
@ Axelwolf: I said "Oxium" because that's how you always pronounce his name, lol.
December 14th, 2014 at 9:01:18 AM
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Quote: bjmongooseALA IM WAITING you have 2 mins
This may be a dumb question but hey I think it's appropriate.
If you say this is all based on that when you raise your bet you will lose but when you lower it you win... Why not just start high with a large bet and simply decrease it by a dollar each hand. According to what your saying, you should win every hand.
Sorry all but I just became a billionaire. I'm a genious.
Also, goose, you may want to consider the possible reprocussions for posting stuff like this publically in global forums like this. Especially when your claiming that the largest table games distributor on the planet and every single operator on earth running these machines is breaking very serious laws. Especially when most of them are able to read this because they are members as well. The trade off of losing their gaming licenses to run one maybe two video BJ machines that generate a tiny smidgen of their gaming revenue is downright absurd.
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December 14th, 2014 at 9:16:42 AM
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RS? Im not sure who Im responding to is it RS or Dieter? Anyway, yes to your question in terms of it being the Pioneer yesterday but the worst offender is the newly acquired Laughlin River Lodge, that's where the bulk of this has taken place and they offer 100 credit plays which is much lower elsewhere I hear though Im going to take an hour today and check all of them. I will be busy with nhl/nba most of today but will be back on later tonight many thanks
December 14th, 2014 at 9:18:38 AM
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Quote: bjmongoosedieter Hi, these are Laughlin casinos so Im not sure what you are thinking? Are you saying that ANY type of video BJ should perform like this? thanks
I am saying that if it's not a tribal casino, it's not Class II.
I am further saying that if it is a tribal casino, it's probably not Class II, unless Class II is all that casino is allowed to run, and that's the entertainment display their marketing department thinks will draw players.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 14th, 2014 at 9:22:58 AM
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Quote: bjmongooseRS? Im not sure who Im responding to is it RS or Dieter?
You don't have to respond to either of us. We're just having a tangentially related discussion on the thread.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 14th, 2014 at 9:24:50 AM
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mr suit I already worked the reverse progression but it is not effective in such small increments, its needs to be 50 to 20 then 10 then 5/3/2/1 and while it worked for periods it would then adjust to that too. What I can say is that if you want to sit for a good period and bounce your absolute minium stakes at small credits you can get to even or small profits but as I posted to Axel this morning whats the point Im just going to use the tables anyway when I play seriously why would anyone play these machines when they have standard edge plus a yield working too notwithstanding anything else Im claiming is the case?
Why would I care what Im claiming when its my direct experience and Ive already spoken to the casinos direct? Why would I be afraid? and of what? Im not making it up, Ive invited both to print/examine their machine logs of my plays if they didn't agree with what I was saying. IF I was making it up then I would not be so bold now would I?
Why would I care what Im claiming when its my direct experience and Ive already spoken to the casinos direct? Why would I be afraid? and of what? Im not making it up, Ive invited both to print/examine their machine logs of my plays if they didn't agree with what I was saying. IF I was making it up then I would not be so bold now would I?
December 14th, 2014 at 9:28:46 AM
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On that exact point, I was actually surprised to hear these machines DID NOT mimic the table games. That was my first question to the Game Manager on Thursday (see my first post) and when he advised they actually had "yield based results" I was taken aback to say the least. What Im saying is over and above even that! I had read on two posts here FROM THE WIZARD that these games were to run with the same odds as the tables. I have two posts filed on that basis and that it one strong reason why I was very surprised. I can repost those for anyone
December 14th, 2014 at 9:31:33 AM
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bjmongoose "cmon guys don't just talk show some real action" Wow you need to take your own advice you stated this thread and have only been talkingQuote: bjmongoosestrictly AP / drich - still waiting, any updates? contacted Admin with your troll fears? Samples sizes?? etc etc cmon guys don't just talk show some real action
axel Are you going to post a video of your winning vid BJ sessions? Don't worry I will post first but I am interested to see if you are willing to put your colors to the mast too. Im hoping you do as I will be up straight away to hit them with you
Why would I post Video of my BJ sessions? I didn't start a thread claiming anything.
Even if I was suspicious(and I may, or may not be), I probably wouldn't make a thread about it( certainly not without something substantial). I'd quietly discuss it with my peers and find a way to exploit the situation. If I was going to make public claims I would certainly make a video and save it.
I'm in agreement that if theres any predictability or significant correlation we don't need 1000s of hands to at least investigate further.
under a controlled experiment do you think you can predict anything out of the normal.
Example. Bet 1 l w l w l w w l w l w w.
prediction time:: Ill Immediately now lose 8 out of 10 big bets(Or whatever). If you can predict that 2 or 3 times, then you'll certainly have people's attention.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2014 at 9:37:40 AM
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Quote: bjmongooseWhy would I care what Im claiming when its my direct experience and Ive already spoken to the casinos direct? Why would I be afraid? and of what? Im not making it up, Ive invited both to print/examine their machine logs of my plays if they didn't agree with what I was saying. IF I was making it up then I would not be so bold now would I?
They are not allowed to give any of that information to the public, I don't believe legally.
Libel, defamation, torturous interference amungst a few others I'd imagine (Not a legal opinion or advice).
As many others have said, and I'm not trying to be combative, your sample set is way to small to have any relevance. If you really think your right, why have you not filed a formal complaint with gaming? You understand they have a large amount of personel who would directly adress this of need be.
I agree with you on the fact that most won't play the electronic of tables are available, as I am a big physical table vs electronic guy, but I have played these machines many times, as I live in Florida, and have walked away with very significant amounts of money at times. Even when starting off small and raising my bet, I didn't experience what you are saying at all.
As for the last statement, you clearly haven't been on this forum long haha.
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December 14th, 2014 at 9:48:05 AM
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axel Hi, the reason I said why don't you too is because you seem pretty keen to call me out and for the sake of a day or two day - with pretty good reason I thought - Im going to. I also thought if you were confident that it was no problem you wouldn't have any reason not to do one but that's cool. To underscore my thoughts here, this thread is NOT for my benefit. If I don't play another hand of BJ the rest of my life nothing will change lol Im sports and currency through and through but I saw some potential for BJ due to its volume of outcomes. Anyway back to the "test" Im glad we are on the same page regarding predictability - if anyone else has thoughts please post them today - and I can tell you with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY what the following hands will be (Ive already stated the push/BJ/unplayable hands scenario) then drop back wins. The way it will work is as per my results published on Friday - does that sound good? Basically 50 hands starting at machine min of $1 etc etc, Ive fully detailed it
December 14th, 2014 at 9:50:50 AM
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Or just walk around look for machines that have large losing bets and bet small. There are thousands of thees machines around.Quote: mrsuit31This may be a dumb question but hey I think it's appropriate.
If you say this is all based on that when you raise your bet you will lose but when you lower it you win... Why not just start high with a large bet and simply decrease it by a dollar each hand. According to what your saying, you should win every hand.
Sorry all but I just became a billionaire. I'm a genious.
Also, goose, you may want to consider the possible reprocussions for posting stuff like this publically in global forums like this. Especially when your claiming that the largest table games distributor on the planet and every single operator on earth running these machines is breaking very serious laws. Especially when most of them are able to read this because they are members as well. The trade off of losing their gaming licenses to run one maybe two video BJ machines that generate a tiny smidgen of their gaming revenue is downright absurd.
More importantly, if they are gaffing theses machines, they are probably gaffing all the machines. Including Games like multiplayer roulette, Just bet the opposite of some big bettor. He bets $100 black you bet $30 red.
Imagine all the possibilities.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2014 at 9:57:03 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfOr just walk around look for machines that have large losing bets and bet small. There are thousands of thees machines around.
More importantly, if they are gaffing theses machines, they are probably gaffing all the machines. Including Games like multiplayer roulette, Just bet the opposite of some big bettor. He bets $100 black you bet $30 red.
Imagine all the possibilities.
Axel joined the genious club, and I though I was going to be the only one :(
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December 14th, 2014 at 9:57:31 AM
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Mr Suit thanks for your thoughts and the last well noted lol
1) Slander/Libel are unbased claims (the former spoken the latter written), Ive directly shown & demonstrated my concerns to the staff and asked for comment so I have given them every opportunity to respond.
2) sample size is irrelevant - we are talking DIRECT CORRELATION if you see Axels recent post he agrees with me
3) I will absolutely do the Gaming complaint once I hear back tomorrow, Ive already said I will so Im not sure what you are saying? Are you saying why didn't I do that instantly? If that's what you re saying the reason is I wanted to gather all facts to hand hence the reason I joined this forum. before contacting them
4) Im interested to hear your comments regarding your FL experience (I lived there for the last 5 years - split time between Nevada) however I can only comment on whats happening here clearly. The machines can be set in a variety of ways - that's already been confirmed to me direct from the staff - to adjust yield so that's a variation at play and it can be significant. Once again though its the correlation which is the issue
many thanks
1) Slander/Libel are unbased claims (the former spoken the latter written), Ive directly shown & demonstrated my concerns to the staff and asked for comment so I have given them every opportunity to respond.
2) sample size is irrelevant - we are talking DIRECT CORRELATION if you see Axels recent post he agrees with me
3) I will absolutely do the Gaming complaint once I hear back tomorrow, Ive already said I will so Im not sure what you are saying? Are you saying why didn't I do that instantly? If that's what you re saying the reason is I wanted to gather all facts to hand hence the reason I joined this forum. before contacting them
4) Im interested to hear your comments regarding your FL experience (I lived there for the last 5 years - split time between Nevada) however I can only comment on whats happening here clearly. The machines can be set in a variety of ways - that's already been confirmed to me direct from the staff - to adjust yield so that's a variation at play and it can be significant. Once again though its the correlation which is the issue
many thanks
December 14th, 2014 at 10:03:39 AM
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Everyone Can I say that I am completely not interested in being involved in some hassle/investigation blah blah here. I just want to play normal BJ on machines!! That's it If somehow the machines in Vegas are set/work/whatever differently I WILL BE DELIGHTED AND PLAY THERE. If somehow the machines here do the same I WILL BE VERY HAPPY. I don't increase my knowledge or make money by posting on here in fact Im writing this when I should be doing my sports bets. Im doing this to protect people - simple as that
December 14th, 2014 at 10:06:52 AM
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axel/suit that would absolutely without doubt work but I for one don't want to stalk the casino players lolol however good luck with that! don't they have a name for that on the slots? jumpers or something?
December 14th, 2014 at 10:07:32 AM
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Quote: bjmongooseThe machines can be set in a variety of ways - that's already been confirmed to me direct from the staff - to adjust yield so that's a variation at play and it can be significant.
My understanding of the adjustments is that they're limited to the game rules.
For example:
- Blackjack pays 5 for 2, or 2 for 1
- Splitting is allowed (or not)
- Double Any, Double 9/10/11, Double 10/11
- Surrender is allowed, or not
I doubt that any approved game will be stacking the deck.
As others have pointed out, you've noticed an interesting correlation, but I don't think you have a large enough sample set to prove that anything is going on. It seems to me these circumstances are still well within normal gaming variation.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 14th, 2014 at 10:08:33 AM
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First off just because you cannot personally find a way to exploit the situation worthwhile that doesn't mean its not possible no matter how much you have pondered the situation. Trust me prove something and you'll be rewarded far more than your sports betting.Quote: bjmongooseaxel Hi, the reason I said why don't you too is because you seem pretty keen to call me out and for the sake of a day or two day - with pretty good reason I thought - Im going to. I also thought if you were confident that it was no problem you wouldn't have any reason not to do one but that's cool. To underscore my thoughts here, this thread is NOT for my benefit. If I don't play another hand of BJ the rest of my life nothing will change lol Im sports and currency through and through but I saw some potential for BJ due to its volume of outcomes. Anyway back to the "test" Im glad we are on the same page regarding predictability - if anyone else has thoughts please post them today - and I can tell you with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY what the following hands will be (Ive already stated the push/BJ/unplayable hands scenario) then drop back wins. The way it will work is as per my results published on Friday - does that sound good? Basically 50 hands starting at machine min of $1 etc etc, Ive fully detailed it
To avoid cherry picking and manipulation and to verify nothing was pre recorded please select a predetermined time (Perhaps ask a random employee the time during Recording) machine and number prior to the play. Clearly explain what you going to do or your looking for before The playing and during play and the video.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2014 at 10:13:50 AM
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THOUGHTS here is what I think:
1) vid BJ games will be set on the absolute limit of legality in every way possible
2) the vast majority of players will not be expert nor will play hundreds of hands. They will stick their money play 20 hands, curse their luck and head off
3) no customer complaints because #2
4) casino staff have zilch reason to question because no #3's
While the above explains a crushing yield it DOES NOT explain the correlation imo. UNLESS someone can say well here's how it works the "yield" controls the card flow and when you bet big it kicks in harder, we spread our yield %'s over all our machines so our reported numbers are correct but you will be smashed as a higher betting individual. I don't know and Im not going to spend days working it out lol By tomorrow or Tuesday I will have done all Im going to in the interests of public service
1) vid BJ games will be set on the absolute limit of legality in every way possible
2) the vast majority of players will not be expert nor will play hundreds of hands. They will stick their money play 20 hands, curse their luck and head off
3) no customer complaints because #2
4) casino staff have zilch reason to question because no #3's
While the above explains a crushing yield it DOES NOT explain the correlation imo. UNLESS someone can say well here's how it works the "yield" controls the card flow and when you bet big it kicks in harder, we spread our yield %'s over all our machines so our reported numbers are correct but you will be smashed as a higher betting individual. I don't know and Im not going to spend days working it out lol By tomorrow or Tuesday I will have done all Im going to in the interests of public service
December 14th, 2014 at 10:21:39 AM
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Axel Where did I say it couldn't be exploited? I just said that from my point at present it didn't seem worth it, by all means go for it and I completely agree that there are many many ways to skin a cat.
Im certain the video is date stamped anyway but I can get two employees to comment on time/day
Clarify the "number prior to play'?
Here's what Im going to do:
1) write up exactly what Im going to do and what I expect the results to be
2) write up the exact results
3) produce the video showing the results/action
4) I can actually talk to employees during the process not just about time, in fact I will state that Im going to increase my bet and expectation (I did this on Friday anyway as I said) etc so I cant do much more than that!
If anyone on here lives in Laughlin Im happy to agree a time and they can witness firsthand
Im certain the video is date stamped anyway but I can get two employees to comment on time/day
Clarify the "number prior to play'?
Here's what Im going to do:
1) write up exactly what Im going to do and what I expect the results to be
2) write up the exact results
3) produce the video showing the results/action
4) I can actually talk to employees during the process not just about time, in fact I will state that Im going to increase my bet and expectation (I did this on Friday anyway as I said) etc so I cant do much more than that!
If anyone on here lives in Laughlin Im happy to agree a time and they can witness firsthand
December 14th, 2014 at 10:24:54 AM
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Mr suit What info cant they provide legally? I wasn't asking for their yield/par numbers I was saying if they questioned what I was detailing to them they could easily check the machine logs and see what I was saying. These machines send auto daily emails recording all their activity to the staff/managers
December 14th, 2014 at 10:32:18 AM
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Dieter Hi, Im not following what you are saying? Its not an interesting correlation its instant & direct. I have a degree in engineering so I understand experiments and math to say the least, 5 years of college drudgery to back it up lol
Plus there should not even be a hint of correlation and it DEFINITELY shouldn't continue over the course of a week, on multiple machines at different locations. The odds of that wouldn't be even measureable If you are able hit up a video BJ location and test for yourself
Plus there should not even be a hint of correlation and it DEFINITELY shouldn't continue over the course of a week, on multiple machines at different locations. The odds of that wouldn't be even measureable If you are able hit up a video BJ location and test for yourself
December 14th, 2014 at 10:34:34 AM
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anyone in Laughlin today Im going to head out in a couple of hours to play all the shufflemasters across all the casinos here. If anyone wants to watch be my guest
December 14th, 2014 at 10:36:25 AM
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axel Im assuming you are currently on your way to do some player stalking?? lolol enjoy & good luck, tell me how you get on
December 14th, 2014 at 10:46:17 AM
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Quote: bjmongooseIf you are able hit up a video BJ location and test for yourself
My typical video blackjack results almost exactly match the house edge of the game rules in play.
I'm not in your area, so trying the particular machines you think behave in a peculiar way is not convenient for me.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 14th, 2014 at 10:56:33 AM
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Dieter Really? Im wondering how the results can match when they all are on a yield over and above the natural edge? How is that possible? Just asking
not wanting a battle over it
not wanting a battle over it
December 14th, 2014 at 11:06:56 AM
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Quote: bjmongooseIm wondering how the results can match when they all are on a yield over and above the natural edge? How is that possible?
What do you mean "they are all on a yield over and above the natural edge"?
I have not observed this.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 14th, 2014 at 11:15:16 AM
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Dieter I have been told directly from the Casinos that the BJ machines are on a yield basis no different to slots. So what I took from that is the game
has its natural edge plus the yield will kick in as and when. In summary, they do NOT behave like electronic BJ tables
has its natural edge plus the yield will kick in as and when. In summary, they do NOT behave like electronic BJ tables
December 14th, 2014 at 11:16:52 AM
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if you don't believe that or question etc just phone them direct and ask how their BJ machines work, they need to tell you how just not how much yield
is in play
is in play
