video blackjack
December 13th, 2014 at 4:53:46 PM
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yes that's one of them, there are 2 or 3 others being run across all the casinos too. I think the Shuffles are more expensive so there are fewer of those the more prevalent is Multi King (will confirm exact models)
December 13th, 2014 at 5:00:59 PM
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to prevent going over old ground the issue here are results controlled by your stake amount ie higher & heavier means instant long losing streaks, dropping back down resulting in winning streaks. Absolutely nothing random or play based at all, anyone who plays this and knows BJ results will see it very quickly
December 13th, 2014 at 5:06:17 PM
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and yet to date we have seen Nothing...
December 13th, 2014 at 5:16:28 PM
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read my challenge if you have anything to offer state it categorically
Im not doing this for the benefit of the BJ "experts" on here. if you don't believe go elsewhere or find out for yourself, alternatively shut up and wait til the start of the week when I update
Im not doing this for the benefit of the BJ "experts" on here. if you don't believe go elsewhere or find out for yourself, alternatively shut up and wait til the start of the week when I update
December 13th, 2014 at 5:17:52 PM
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do you have any knowledge of these machines? I was thinking of having my assistant phone for their various model specs
December 13th, 2014 at 5:29:05 PM
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Go out and buy a hidden camera. Record your results. Post your results. Now you got something.
Nobody wants to meet up with a random stranger who just started posting on this forum a few days ago.
Nobody wants to meet up with a random stranger who just started posting on this forum a few days ago.
December 13th, 2014 at 5:34:44 PM
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Before Pennsylvania approved live table games, they offered slots, VP and Shufflemaster BJ & 3CP. I racked up MANY hours on these machines at Mt Airy & Sands, and also played them occasionally at Sugarhouse & Harrah's Chester. I have also logged several hours on these machines at Caesars Palace LV, Rio LV and Bally's AC.
I never noticed any unusual results, such as a losing steak after increasing the bet size, and I've varied the bet from the minimum ($5 or $10) to the max ($500). I've had several hand-pays on $500 Blackjacks (which really suck because the win is only $750 but the W2G shows a $1250 win), so betting the max never triggered any kind of losing streak for me.
I like the Shufflemaster machines. The machine keeps a running tally of your credits, no chips to constantly fiddle with, the rules are favorable (especially in PA) with surrender, players can jump in and out without slowing down the game, and my understanding is that each player has their own deck, so there are no "mistakes" that can be made to affect the other players...for instance you can't take the dealer's bust card or whatever. Once players are informed of this (and they accept it as true) there is no more griping about anybody else's play.
I'm not disputing your results, and can't comment on whether "rigging" the machine is likely or even possible, but I have a lot of experience with these games, and as far as I'm concerned they are on the level.
I never noticed any unusual results, such as a losing steak after increasing the bet size, and I've varied the bet from the minimum ($5 or $10) to the max ($500). I've had several hand-pays on $500 Blackjacks (which really suck because the win is only $750 but the W2G shows a $1250 win), so betting the max never triggered any kind of losing streak for me.
I like the Shufflemaster machines. The machine keeps a running tally of your credits, no chips to constantly fiddle with, the rules are favorable (especially in PA) with surrender, players can jump in and out without slowing down the game, and my understanding is that each player has their own deck, so there are no "mistakes" that can be made to affect the other players...for instance you can't take the dealer's bust card or whatever. Once players are informed of this (and they accept it as true) there is no more griping about anybody else's play.
I'm not disputing your results, and can't comment on whether "rigging" the machine is likely or even possible, but I have a lot of experience with these games, and as far as I'm concerned they are on the level.
December 13th, 2014 at 5:36:09 PM
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lolol what are you frightened of? anyway Im going to resolve this just fine myself as clearly there hasn't been a single additional comment to shed any light whatsoever. Where are all the smart card counting BJ experts making this their living? crickets again
As I keep saying if you aren't a fulltime Pro do not post to this thread
I will post the results of actual game results video, Gaming commission comment and casino response, through todays contact, at the start of the week. After that Im going to contact the national media and let them run it to ground
I just noticed you have been a member for a solid 8 months, does that bestow extra kudos????
As I keep saying if you aren't a fulltime Pro do not post to this thread
I will post the results of actual game results video, Gaming commission comment and casino response, through todays contact, at the start of the week. After that Im going to contact the national media and let them run it to ground
I just noticed you have been a member for a solid 8 months, does that bestow extra kudos????
December 13th, 2014 at 5:43:31 PM
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Actually I got extra kudos after 9 months. How did you figure I've been here for 8 months, any who?
December 13th, 2014 at 5:46:13 PM
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wow! oops I missed a month there, many apologies didn't mean to disrespect your seniority
December 13th, 2014 at 5:47:00 PM
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Quote: bjmongooseIf ANYONE can tell me they have played these machines with normalish results Im all ears, nobody even remotely yet.
My interpretation was that your asking for "ANYONE" to comment overrode the "fulltime pro" qualification to post a response.
December 13th, 2014 at 5:47:04 PM
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Well ya missed 2. I'm highly offended.
December 13th, 2014 at 5:50:10 PM
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coach, please post if you good info by all means
December 13th, 2014 at 5:50:52 PM
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sounds like Im on a -2 count! lol
December 13th, 2014 at 5:58:25 PM
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I think people are missing the point here, Im not some disgruntled BJ player pissed off for losing some cash, I couldn't care less in fact Ive purposely lost money over the last 2 days to prove what was going on. Im here to expose whats going down and ideally force the casinos to make clear that these machines DO NOT mimic the tables (though I thought that these regs were already in place) and post signs accordingly. Anyone who comes to Nevada will be aware that the retired population makes up a huge part of the gambling sector, do we want all these people ripped off? Do you know casinos even accept Homeless cards as ID for their gaming cards? Does that sound acceptable? I understand that its "buyer beware" but I don't accept that games should be dressed in way that COMPLETELY misleads people
December 13th, 2014 at 6:18:28 PM
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Quote: bjmongooseI think people are missing the point here, Im not some disgruntled BJ player pissed off for losing some cash
no, you are playing a certain game IMO
either that or world fame awaits you
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
December 13th, 2014 at 6:22:41 PM
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if that's what you think WHY ARE YOU STILL ON THIS THREAD - GO ELSEWHERE
stop quoting Twain and go check it for yourself, no need to "wait" for me
stop quoting Twain and go check it for yourself, no need to "wait" for me
December 13th, 2014 at 6:24:35 PM
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btw you still havent confirmed? Are you a Pro or not? what gives you the confidence to question? if you are smart enough you can work it out yourself so get going no need to keep yourself in suspense
December 13th, 2014 at 6:27:59 PM
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Quote: the site's message to me nowA post by bjmongoose has been blocked due to your settings | Show it to me anyway | View members I have blocked
Ah, that's better.
Now I can just check the thread to see the TV times and shows our world famous member will be on when he proves this, in the meantime I won't have to "stay in suspense"
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
December 13th, 2014 at 6:32:40 PM
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"Those who are lazy and lacking in intelligence wait on others to lead them" MARK TWAIN
December 13th, 2014 at 6:35:08 PM
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Quote: bjmongoose"Those who are lazy and lacking in intelligence wait on others to lead them" MARK TWAIN
Are you calling yourself a leader? Or others lazy & lacking intelligence?
December 13th, 2014 at 7:03:16 PM
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Quote: bjmongoose"Those who are lazy and lacking in intelligence wait on others to lead them" MARK TWAIN
"Being slightly paranoid is like being slightly pregnant - it tends to get worse."
Molly Ivins
Now the important thing is you can either be seen as paranoid, since plenty of people have said they played these machines and not witnessed what you've said, or you can post some numbers so some form of statistical analysis can be done to see hey maybe your on to something at casino X or the far more likely scenario the results while representing bad luck are well within the range of probabilities. I mean if you are willing to lose money to test this do a large number of hands at a high bet and see what frequency you win and lose at and do a large number of bets at a low bet and see what frequency you win and lose at.
December 13th, 2014 at 7:03:38 PM
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bjmongoose
You are being overly hostile to me, read everything I said carefully. Im just telling you how it APPEARS/SEEMS to others. I haven't even discounted you or your theories. I know there been rigged and misrepresented machines.
If you are truly trying to help the misinformed public and save them from the evil BJ machines. Just explaining what you have witnessed, won't work. People swear they have seen Bigfoot, aliens, chupacabra and Elvis at their local bar.
You'll need to get some video proof.
If you can predict outcomes that correlate directly with the size of your bets, it will be very compelling. I'm certain after some real video evidence of what your claiming, some prominent gaming figures will be very interested in preforming some controlled testing.
Right now, I can assure you your not getting though to anyone who isn't already convinced all machines are rigged. Your probably hurting your cause with what you have said so far. Especially With the management aspect. It's common knowledge most casino employees are no very knowledgeable about gaming They are even more prone to misconception and wacky theories. Usually the people who are smart and have a good understanding and end up doing something else like Advantage play, consultant, writers, or moving up to Upper management.
I have played 10s of thousands of hands on various Video blackjack machines at a profit though various methods throughout the US (even in Laughlin) and millions on VP and slots
As far as your personal challenge to me, I have been down this road a few times. Everyone backs out or PURPOSELY creates convoluted terms that keep changing from the original intentions, like sports, that has nothing to do with this whatsoever.
I'm certainly willing to escrow $5k ASAP for proof of the money and an honest intention of some challenge. If your also willing to do the same thing. Tell me when. And then we can find someone reputable to hold it. Im sure a few member here can verify That I can muster up a few dollars if your serious.
If nothing else (I currently live in vegas and have for over 20 years) We can meet up in vegas and ill bring something to record the BJ session and your predictions.
You are being overly hostile to me, read everything I said carefully. Im just telling you how it APPEARS/SEEMS to others. I haven't even discounted you or your theories. I know there been rigged and misrepresented machines.
If you are truly trying to help the misinformed public and save them from the evil BJ machines. Just explaining what you have witnessed, won't work. People swear they have seen Bigfoot, aliens, chupacabra and Elvis at their local bar.
You'll need to get some video proof.
If you can predict outcomes that correlate directly with the size of your bets, it will be very compelling. I'm certain after some real video evidence of what your claiming, some prominent gaming figures will be very interested in preforming some controlled testing.
Right now, I can assure you your not getting though to anyone who isn't already convinced all machines are rigged. Your probably hurting your cause with what you have said so far. Especially With the management aspect. It's common knowledge most casino employees are no very knowledgeable about gaming They are even more prone to misconception and wacky theories. Usually the people who are smart and have a good understanding and end up doing something else like Advantage play, consultant, writers, or moving up to Upper management.
I have played 10s of thousands of hands on various Video blackjack machines at a profit though various methods throughout the US (even in Laughlin) and millions on VP and slots
As far as your personal challenge to me, I have been down this road a few times. Everyone backs out or PURPOSELY creates convoluted terms that keep changing from the original intentions, like sports, that has nothing to do with this whatsoever.
I'm certainly willing to escrow $5k ASAP for proof of the money and an honest intention of some challenge. If your also willing to do the same thing. Tell me when. And then we can find someone reputable to hold it. Im sure a few member here can verify That I can muster up a few dollars if your serious.
If nothing else (I currently live in vegas and have for over 20 years) We can meet up in vegas and ill bring something to record the BJ session and your predictions.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 13th, 2014 at 7:14:35 PM
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Another one bites the dust.
Another one bites the dust.
December 13th, 2014 at 7:27:27 PM
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I just got a PM from someone who wants 30% of my action on a challenge regarding this, depending on the terms of the bet. Ill ask if I can reveal there Identity.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 13th, 2014 at 7:31:07 PM
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Based on your past
performance, 30% of your action is like money in the bank !
performance, 30% of your action is like money in the bank !
December 13th, 2014 at 7:58:07 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI just got a PM from someone who wants 30% of my action on a challenge regarding this, depending on the terms of the bet. Ill ask if I can reveal there Identity.
Maybe I'm confused. But why would anyone want 30% of action on a VBJ coin in play?
December 13th, 2014 at 8:10:00 PM
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Quote: RSMaybe I'm confused. But why would anyone want 30% of action on a VBJ coin in play?
I'm guessing he wants 30% of the bet on whether BJ is gaffed action not the VBJ itself and that would be a great bet.
December 13th, 2014 at 8:15:39 PM
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Re read. He was suggestion he could use his methods to out preform me because i probably haven't even played a VBJ machine. The bet would be made on who could do better, not on the actual playing. Since he is so confident, surely he would give me odds.Quote: RSMaybe I'm confused. But why would anyone want 30% of action on a VBJ coin in play?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 13th, 2014 at 8:33:34 PM
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I am going on the fact that he is confidant that I haven't any real knowledge, and i'm a life long loser wannabe. So according to him, I have no valuable information to add and his skills and experiences trump Anyone who isn't a BJ expert/Pro.
Im not arguing gaff or no gaff. I'm arguing his ability to make more money in casinos and the fact he believe he more experienced therefore there's more merit to what he claims .
Im not arguing gaff or no gaff. I'm arguing his ability to make more money in casinos and the fact he believe he more experienced therefore there's more merit to what he claims .
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 13th, 2014 at 8:42:10 PM
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I find it strange that If hes is so confident this is gaffed.
He has not found a way to take advantage of the situation.
I know he will say it's only gaffed towards making you lose. With some out of the box thinking there certainly a way to profit, I can think of a few directions I would explore.
He has not found a way to take advantage of the situation.
I know he will say it's only gaffed towards making you lose. With some out of the box thinking there certainly a way to profit, I can think of a few directions I would explore.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 13th, 2014 at 9:01:50 PM
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I would back up axel in this thread - I do play full time - but without video evidence, streaming with no breaks - it hard to think its gaffed- the sample size you used it infinitesimal at best- i seem to remember ace saying he lost 10 in a row as well and getting blasted-
your sample size is very small
your sample size is very small
The bet will not be paid- not now not ever
December 13th, 2014 at 9:13:52 PM
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30 in a row
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 13th, 2014 at 9:18:13 PM
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I reckon it was 30 consecutive hands without a hand. Not 30 consecutive losses. I also reckon it was over a few different tables/shoes/shuffles as he moved around a bit [not that it should make a significant impact on 30-straight-no-wins].
December 13th, 2014 at 9:21:48 PM
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Can I parlay Axel in a gaming challenge with anyone vs. Axel in a spelling bee?
December 13th, 2014 at 9:33:56 PM
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LOL. Axiom Refused to play me scalable for money, he thought I was hustling him.Quote: mcallister3200Can I parlay Axel in a gaming challenge with anyone vs. Axel in a spelling bee?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 13th, 2014 at 9:49:49 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfLOL. Axiom Refused to play me scalable for money, he thought I was hustling him.
Oxium*
December 14th, 2014 at 2:16:36 AM
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You already lost.Quote: AxelWolfLOL. Axiom Refused to play me scalable for money, he thought I was hustling him.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
December 14th, 2014 at 6:23:39 AM
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Really, what would you challenge? Axiom,scalable or hustling? And on the very first game perhaps, he might challenge the word to.Quote: teddysYou already lost.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2014 at 6:38:24 AM
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?Quote: RSOxium*
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2014 at 7:01:52 AM
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to Twirdman I HAVENT HAD A SINGLE PERSON POST THAT THEY HAVE HAD NORMAL RESULTS WITH VID BJ please ID those posts for me
December 14th, 2014 at 7:04:36 AM
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Aladyat42 Who is biting the dust??
December 14th, 2014 at 7:15:06 AM
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AXELWOLF Sounds great lets get it organized. One thing I am curious about, you are saying you have profitably played millions of vid BJ hands profitably, my question is to what level? I have said from my first post that the machines would play at their lowest levels but NOT AT HIGHER AMOUNTS. Are you saying you have played and walked with 100's?? Im not talking about sitting at a machine for 2 hours and walking away with $5
Finally - where have I said that Im not prepared to do the video? I posted yesterday that after having an actual employee AGREE with what I was saying and volunteering to speak with what she termed the casino CEO it seemed reasonable to me to hear that out - are you saying that's a waste of time? If so why?
Here are my thoughts - I DONT CARE IF THESE MACHINES ARE "SANCTIONED" OR NOT they behave in a way that will 100% rip people off and I don't think the public at large will find that acceptable hence if there is no satisfaction with the casinos or Gaming Im going to have everything documented by myself and PI's and contact the national media, simple as that
Finally - where have I said that Im not prepared to do the video? I posted yesterday that after having an actual employee AGREE with what I was saying and volunteering to speak with what she termed the casino CEO it seemed reasonable to me to hear that out - are you saying that's a waste of time? If so why?
Here are my thoughts - I DONT CARE IF THESE MACHINES ARE "SANCTIONED" OR NOT they behave in a way that will 100% rip people off and I don't think the public at large will find that acceptable hence if there is no satisfaction with the casinos or Gaming Im going to have everything documented by myself and PI's and contact the national media, simple as that
December 14th, 2014 at 7:19:11 AM
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Axel/Rs/Ala Having read the last 3 posts Im confused too, my challenge is to come down to Laughlin at my expense and I will show you what is happening though by all means if by some miracle they start behaving differently we could do some sort of tournament??
December 14th, 2014 at 7:27:06 AM
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COACHBELLY That's excellent to hear & well done. Would have any idea of any regulatory differences between Pa & Nv? I would be over the moon if these WERE working normal here because it would be a perfect fit with my sports betting timewise. Are you still playing? Have you played after the live tables started and did they continue to perform? I have been in touch with an employee of the SM's who advised that they can be set in many ways to control payout/yield and in fact were NOT legal in Nevada at one point however he was going to check if that had changed.
Many thanks for your post I really appreciate it
Many thanks for your post I really appreciate it
December 14th, 2014 at 7:31:20 AM
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COACHBELLY see attached link regarding SM's from Jan 2014, I haven't been up in Vegas for the last few months so I cant comment on whats up there perhaps someone else might be able to
http://www.onlineblackjack.com/blog/video-blackjack-dead-las-vegas/
thanks again
http://www.onlineblackjack.com/blog/video-blackjack-dead-las-vegas/
thanks again
December 14th, 2014 at 7:31:33 AM
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Quote: bjmongooseCOACHBELLY That's excellent to hear & well done. Would have any idea of any regulatory differences between Pa & Nv? I would be over the moon if these WERE working normal here because it would be a perfect fit with my sports betting timewise. Are you still playing? Have you played after the live tables started and did they continue to perform? I have been in touch with an employee of the SM's who advised that they can be set in many ways to control payout/yield and in fact were NOT legal in Nevada at one point however he was going to check if that had changed.
Many thanks for your post I really appreciate it
Axel, let it go. You are too smart for this. Everyone knows he is not going to put up money for a fair bet and that he is not going to post video to support his cause. I would be willing to bet this poster has been here before under other names.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
December 14th, 2014 at 7:33:03 AM
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twirdman/axel If that's the bet bring a large check with you
December 14th, 2014 at 7:35:56 AM
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axel Why so strange? Its obvious off the scale and yes I have found a way to take advantage but it is to time consuming and waste of time profit wise better just hitting the tables
December 14th, 2014 at 7:40:32 AM
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strictly AP What are you missing here? Have you read the posts? Why would I need a streaming hands large sample size? I will sit down and play AND CALL HOW THE MACHINE WILL ISSUE HANDS BEFORE IT DOES either Im a wizard or these are not random Please confirm how I should be able to do this???
