Ace up her sleeve, legally?
She handed it to the dealer and he placed it above her bet, where the cards go. He continued to deal the cards normally, but gave her only one card, pairing it with the cheap paper ace. This constituted her hand.
Afterward, I thought how odd it was to effectively introduce an extra ace card into the game. I've never seen anything like that before and I wonder if it is even technically legal. I know slot machines that use card displays must be based on actual decks, so I would think the same principle would apply to table games.
Nevada has pretty loose regulations, so it doesn't surprise me.
As far as changing the makeup of the deck, no. The deck still has the correct cards. The free ace doesn't go into the discards to be shuffled in. It's a one time only thing.
Some could argue that it changes the way the remainder of the hand is dealt, but those are the same people that get upset when the guy in third base "takes" the dealer's bust card.
Quote: progrockerAnd the topless blackjack dealers. Yes, I'll definitely see about that.
Did someone say something about topless blackjack dealers? I'd like to know more about that...
Can someone explain what would be illegal about this? It seems like a great promotion - better than match play to me. It isn't changing the composition of the deck at all and just leaves another BJ for everyone to cheer about.
Quote: nyuhoosierI think it's an interesting promotion too; I'm just surprised it is allowed by the Gaming Control Board. The reasoning is probably the one cited above: that the extra ace isn't shuffled back into the deck.
its not an actual card. its a little piece of paper that has an image of an A and probably says free ace with a little description on the terms. then it is dropped afterwards.
Quote: ahiromuDid someone say something about topless blackjack dealers? I'd like to know more about that...
Can someone explain what would be illegal about this? It seems like a great promotion - better than match play to me. It isn't changing the composition of the deck at all and just leaves another BJ for everyone to cheer about.
I'd also like to hear more about the topless blackjack dealers. Now that's a good casino promotion....
Quote: ahiromuDid someone say something about topless blackjack dealers? I'd like to know more about that...
Can someone explain what would be illegal about this? It seems like a great promotion - better than match play to me. It isn't changing the composition of the deck at all and just leaves another BJ for everyone to cheer about.
I'd also like to hear more about the topless blackjack dealers. Now that's a good casino promotion....
Quote: ruascottI'd also like to hear more about the topless blackjack dealers. Now that's a good casino promotion....
I have never once seen or heard of that happening. The closest I've seen was the bikini pit at the Rio, which has been closed for a few years now.
The 'Topless' dealers were on the small third floor. Two tables, three dealers rotating, and they were actually wearing see-through mesh tops (they were almost like a bunch of horizontal strings) that left all the goods on display. The Horseshoe had hired the appropriate body type of girl to wear that outfit.
If I remember correctly, the rules weren't that bad. 3:2 blackjack out of a 6 card shoe with 10 dollar minimum. I don't remember the RSA or DAS rules, though. Like I said, I'm going back next week and plan to gamble a bit so I'll see if they still have this or the free ace promotion going on. Last year I was able to buy in for 200 dollars at the craps table daily, get up 50-100 bucks playing and then cash out, which paid for food and alcohol for the day. Finally lost the initial 200 bucks on my last night.
Quote: WizardI have never once seen or heard of that happening. The closest I've seen was the bikini pit at the Rio, which has been closed for a few years now.
I think I may have asked this before, but is there some sort of gaming regulation that would bar a casino in Vegas (or Nevada) from offering this? If not, maybe some of the casinos should push for a legal change. Playing B/J (or any game) is not nearly the sin it was once considered and most people can find it in their home state. If Vegas wants to keep the title "Sin City" they really need to crank it up a bit.
Obviously this couldn't be offered right on the main casino floor, where underage kids walk through, but in a closed off section of the floor it could fly.
Quote: ruascottI think I may have asked this before, but is there some sort of gaming regulation that would bar a casino in Vegas (or Nevada) from offering this?
How about a coupon "Remove Dealers Top". Now that would bring them in. Well, depends on the dealer. I don't want some guy named Gary down at Binions taking his top off :)
Quote: DrEntropyHow about a coupon "Remove Dealers Top". Now that would bring them in. Well, depends on the dealer. I don't want some guy named Gary down at Binions taking his top off :)
How about a Strip poker room?
O'Sheas already advertises "Strip Poker".Quote: NareedHow about a Strip poker room?
Two of their poker tables are located right at the entrance to the Strip.
Strip Poker. Get it? Sigh....
Quote: DJTeddyBearStrip Poker. Get it? Sigh....
Yeah, that's a bit of what I meant (also strip, rather than Strip).
Quote: NareedYeah, that's a bit of what I meant (also strip, rather than Strip).
id argue that Strip is a proper noun meaning "the Las Vegas Strip" so for what O'Shea's is promoting id argue that is correct. but for the game of strip poker, it should be lowercased.
Quote: rudeboyoiif it is a law on the books, maybe its to protect other businesses in the industry of adult entertainment such as strip clubs from being hurt. id also imagine a lot of corporations that own the casinos dont want their brand name to be associated with that type of entertainment and may have lobbied to have a law like that on the books to prevent other gambling institutions in the area to gain the upper hand in that regard. or perhaps its some healthcode violation and if thats the case, i dont see why they cant just have transparent tops. regardless of what the laws actually are, of course they can always change and seeing the abundance of party pits these days may eventually lead to a law like this being changed.
I just see it as a natural evolution of the Vegas scene. I'm not really sure what corporations don't want to be associated with it, considering almost every place has a party pit now. Beyond that, topless shows have been a part of the Vegas scene at the hotels for decades. Perhaps the party pit scene will just slowly evolve and become more "revealing" over time, until the point where dealers are wearing nothing but pasties. Again, I think with the explosion of legalized gambling around the country, Vegas needs to step it up a notch if they still want to advertise the moniker "Sin City".
This small "informal" promotion went a long way in terms of showing that the bosses there weren't so tight, and wanted players to enjoy themselves.
Quote: pecoggI've never seen this promotion, formally, at any of the casinos I frequent (Albuquerque, NM area), but I have been present at a full BJ table at the Santa Ana Star, when the pit boss came around and told the table that, for the following five hands, all players' first cards would count as Aces, and limited the bets to $25. He had the dealer deal everyone's first card face down (which counted as the Ace), and then had the game resume as normal. Out of five hands, I caught two blackjacks and won one soft double. A lady sitting at third base did better - as I recall, she caught three blackjacks. The table minimum was $3, and there were some present who did not realize the advantage of being "given" an Ace, so they kept their bets small compared to those of us that immediately went to $25.
This small "informal" promotion went a long way in terms of showing that the bosses there weren't so tight, and wanted players to enjoy themselves.
That is amazingly cool. I'm sure that could never happen in Vegas or A.C. because of regulations.
Sounds like that casino thinks that good public relations is more important than a house advantage.
They're probably right....
Quote: DJTeddyBearIsn't the Santa Ana Star the same casino that pays triple for BOTH the 2 and 12 on Field bets?
Sounds like that casino thinks that good public relations is more important than a house advantage.
They're probably right....
Yes - same casino.
Quote: DJTeddyBearIsn't the Santa Ana Star the same casino that pays triple for BOTH the 2 and 12 on Field bets?
Sounds like that casino thinks that good public relations is more important than a house advantage.
They're probably right....
WOW. What does that make the HA for the field bet? It must be like 1.3% or so ?
Actually, it's zero.Quote: RaleighCrapsWOW. What does that make the HA for the field bet? It must be like 1.3% or so ?
Quote: cardsharkYeah, I got one of these a few weeks ago, but the coupon would only let me bet $5 when playing it. The casino didn't even have a $5 table open, so I had to play my ace coupon with my $5 bet on a $10 table! Cheap bastards!
Wow, where was this at?
I cant believe they'd rather lower the table limit for that hand rather then pony up the extra $2.50 in EV or so to let you at least play table min. That is seriously stingy, to offer a coupon that isn't even playable within the limits they set at their own tables.
Quote: f2dWow, where was this at?
I cant believe they'd rather lower the table limit for that hand rather then pony up the extra $2.50 in EV or so to let you at least play table min. That is seriously stingy, to offer a coupon that isn't even playable within the limits they set at their own tables.
Caesars Windsor, part of the wonderful Harrah's group...anyone surprised that they would pull something off like that?!
