AxiomOfChoice
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May 5th, 2014 at 9:42:46 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Typically $50+, sometimes $25.



At MGM casinos, I have never seen it at $25 (and I am there a lot). I have seen it at $50 only once, at NYNY. It is usually $100 or $200, sometimes more.

Note that I am talking about the double-deck game. They also have a 6-deck game with slightly better rules (surrender is allowed) but the change to 6 decks more than makes up for the surrender rules so the house edge is still higher. It's still a good game though! The 6-deck game is often at $50 and it would not surprise me if it was sometimes at $25 too. But the DD game generally has 2x the minimum of the 6D game.
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May 5th, 2014 at 9:49:31 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

How do the dealers know when to shuffle?



I have only played it once, just to check it out (this was a long time ago). The table was full and they were dealing 2 rounds per deck. I was not playing for serious money (I would have to study up on single-deck basic strategy, not to mention the composition-dependent variations, even if I wasn't counting. I never play SD so I don't know them) There was absolutely no preferential shuffling going on; we were getting the same number of rounds each time, and I played for quite a long time.
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May 5th, 2014 at 9:55:12 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

At MGM casinos, I have never seen it at $25 (and I am there a lot). I have seen it at $50 only once, at NYNY. It is usually $100 or $200, sometimes more.


The high limit room at Monte Carlo also has the DD game, and I have played it several times at $50 minimum.
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May 5th, 2014 at 10:14:13 AM permalink
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The Riviera is also a total dump. And they have like 50c minimum BJ or something. Was gonna play there but got too scared to pull out $$$.



How's that? I was there last month and I didn't think it was so bad. Colorful Craps Table, nice guys, lots of fun. One guy betting Green and took Odds on my Point of Four, which I made, tipped me $10!!! That was fun, but he pressed the PL and Odds on the Point of Ten I established on the next roll and lost, so I gave him the $10 back because I felt bad taking it at that point...

EDIT: Pursuant to PM request for clarification, by, 'Colorful,' I meant, 'Interesting.' My statement had nothing to do with the cultural/ethnic/racial backgrounds of anyone at the Craps table. Specifically, the entire table was Caucasian, except the crew, one of whom was Asian and one of the player may have been Half-Hispanic.
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May 5th, 2014 at 10:24:05 AM permalink
Quote: HowMany

Whenever the count is negative, you can be sure they will deal out one more round. And when the count is high, they will shuffle.



That would be much worse than a cut card.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I believe they use the "rule of six."



I would be interested to know who is right between you and HowMany. Seems to me a lot of dealers go on feel in single-deck games with no cut card. This can be a bad thing for players. For example, with three players there are often plenty of cards after two rounds for one more round. However, in such cases it is likely because a lot of big cards went out, leaving the small ones.
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May 5th, 2014 at 10:47:43 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I would be interested to know who is right between you and HowMany. Seems to me a lot of dealers go on feel in single-deck games with no cut card. This can be a bad thing for players. For example, with three players there are often plenty of cards after two rounds for one more round. However, in such cases it is likely because a lot of big cards went out, leaving the small ones.



Well, that's the cut card effect :) I have always thought that the best way to explain the cut card effect to someone who already understands blackjack and card counting is that it's just a weak form of a preferential shuffle.

My experience was 2 rounds per deck, no matter what, at a full table. You should go check it out the next time you're downtown (assuming that you are welcome to play there?) Even if they are preferential shuffling on you, I think you can play for as little as $5/hand so it won't cost you much.
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May 5th, 2014 at 10:52:03 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think you're right and just updated my survey. However, I think the M still allows re-splitting of aces in the game in question. For that reason, I now proclaim the M to have the single best blackjack game in Vegas.



A place owned by Penn gaming has a blackjack game with the lowest house edge in Vegas? This just does not compute. I would double check those rules if it hasn't been done recently.

I wish the M's video poker was this good; it's more in line with what you'd expect from Penn gaming for an off-strip. They do have 90+ comped beers at the bar with 9/6 ddb for dollars; it could be worse i suppose.

I think the place is very nice though. Hope to get back there soon and burn some marquee rewards.
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May 5th, 2014 at 10:52:05 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The Hacienda, formerly home of the most liberal blackjack game in the greater Vegas area, with a house edge of 0.127%, has removed all table games.

The best game now follows these rules:

2 decks
Stand of soft 17
Double after split allowed
Re-splitting aces allowed
Surrender not allowed

Lots of MGM properties have such rules at mid to high-limit. So does the M.

If anybody is looking to take the "best blackjack" game award, now would be a good time to do so.



I used to play there often. Then, I just figured the 3/4 hour I would play there wasn't worth the gallon of gas and the one-hour round trip. The place was real relaxed, no heat, friendly dealers, great comps. You could get a 1-6 spread--they didn't seem to recognize the threat. Once I was playing their SD game and the dealer ran out of cards during the round. Had to shuffle to complete it.

The road from Boulder City to the Hacienda was a speed trap.
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May 5th, 2014 at 10:54:21 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

A place owned by Penn gaming has a blackjack game with the lowest house edge in Vegas? This just does not compute. I would double check those rules if it hasn't been done recently.



The CBJN reports the same rules I do. Maybe we're both out of date. I hardly ever go there.
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May 5th, 2014 at 12:13:00 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

At MGM casinos, I have never seen it at $25 (and I am there a lot). I have seen it at $50 only once, at NYNY. It is usually $100 or $200, sometimes more.

Note that I am talking about the double-deck game. They also have a 6-deck game with slightly better rules (surrender is allowed) but the change to 6 decks more than makes up for the surrender rules so the house edge is still higher. It's still a good game though! The 6-deck game is often at $50 and it would not surprise me if it was sometimes at $25 too. But the DD game generally has 2x the minimum of the 6D game.


I will defer to Vegas locals for current conditions, but I played the DD game at the Mirage in June 2013 on a Thursday and Friday and the minimum was at $25 most of the time. I played it at MGM in January 2014 for $100 on a weekday night, but a guy at the table was grandfathered at $50.
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