BlackjackGambit
BlackjackGambit
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January 22nd, 2014 at 12:49:19 AM permalink
What is the EV for single-deck blackjack at El Cortez?
- Bet spread: 1-6
- Bankroll: $300
- $10min
- 70 hands/hr
- Count: Hi-Lo, Ill18
- Last base

I don't want to download any blackjack calculators on my computer.

I do know about Casino Vérité Blackjack Software, but don't know how to use the calculator.

I'm curious to know what the return of investment could potentially be $?/hour.
sodawater
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January 22nd, 2014 at 12:52:05 AM permalink
I calculate the EV at 0.00 since El Cortez is mega-paranoid about counters and will quickly back you off if you play as above.
BlackjackGambit
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January 22nd, 2014 at 12:54:07 AM permalink
I live in Las Vegas. I have been playing there for a long while.
AxelWolf
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January 22nd, 2014 at 1:02:29 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I calculate the EV at 0.00 since El Cortez is mega-paranoid about counters and will quickly back you off if you play as above.

even if you keep your bets under 100? I have played there many times over the years with my GF never had a problem keeping it under 100
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
BlackjackGambit
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January 22nd, 2014 at 1:07:43 AM permalink
I agree with AxelWolf. I don't want to get in the subject of backing-off. APs should already know when to leave when heat is suspected.

I have an idea of my ROI when I play, but I truly want to know the math.

Please, just to the subject for those that actually have a blackjack calculator and know how to use it. Thanks!
sodawater
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January 22nd, 2014 at 1:08:07 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

even if you keep your bets under 100? I have played there many times over the years with my GF never had a problem keeping it under 100



people have been backed off at El Cortez for spreading 10 to 50 dollars.
BlackjackGambit
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January 22nd, 2014 at 1:12:42 AM permalink
Friday/Saturday nights at El Cortez have a couple $10min tables so it's inconspicuous. If you play the $5 table with low-ballers, then that is a different story.
AxelWolf
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January 22nd, 2014 at 3:16:26 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

people have been backed off at El Cortez for spreading 10 to 50 dollars.

I bet guys have been backed off for less, it all depends on what you look like. Casinos can smell a Counter a mile a way. I know everyone thinks they don't look like a counter, they claim they don't stare at the cards they order a drink etc etc. Just go look at one of thees guys while they count, and the count is HIGH, even ones that have been doing it a while. They think they look the same as they do when the count is low and they just sat down, THEY DON'T. They tense up and start staring at the cards. They look like some poker player with 20 tells.

Most counter all have the same look, slightly nerdy, average dressed, middle aged white males. They always seem polite and organized, neatly stacked chips they always sit upright, make the perfect hand signals. This guys wont last in the EC long. Just like a young collage kid would be better off at a place like the palms.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
mcallister3200
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January 22nd, 2014 at 3:54:36 AM permalink
The thing is, this place backs off a lot of players, they've forgotten you in a week. They let you play if you lose ha. South point is actually worse than el co, el co, while sweaty, has the long term reputation. Axle I'm sure you're aware being with your lady does wonders for how you're perceived. Your risk of ruin is absurd, to play with an advantage with a 300 bankroll you have maybe 6-7 max bets, and the pen on the single deckers isn't that good anyway.
RonC
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January 22nd, 2014 at 3:57:34 AM permalink
EL Cortez is the only place where I've actually witnessed someone being backed off. I could tell they were keeping an eye on someone at the table across the way and the next thing I knew they were asking the guy to leave. No big money on the table; the bets were all less than $100. I'm sure he was no pro counter, probably some amateur just trying it out, but he was gone either way.

After reading Axel's comments, I think it is easier to count than it is to cover up the fact that you are counting...that might be the real skill!!

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