Blackjack Switch

Two questions: What would the house edge in BJ Switch be if the dealer doesn't push on 22 and everyone gets paid as normal?

Given the above scenario, after switching, would just normal basic BJ strategy be appropriate?

Played at a strip casino this weekend where the dealer was paying out on 22's. The first time he hit 22 I went "aw crap," and he was like, "No, it's 22." Before I commented the rest of the table shot me quick death stares and I held my tongue.

The PLAYER edge would be over 6% if the push on 22 was ignored. Yes, you would apply basic strategy if a dealer 22 resulted in a player win.

Quote: ams288

Played at a strip casino this weekend where the dealer was paying out on 22's. The first time he hit 22 I went "aw crap," and he was like, "No, it's 22." Before I commented the rest of the table shot me quick death stares and I held my tongue.

Yeah, you almost blew it. Hopefully you learned your lesson with that one. Also note that Geoff is answering your question without giving you a guilt trip...lol

Fyi, with blackjack rule changes (which includes the "push 22"), just using the wizard's appendix on house edge changes will give you a good approximation.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/rule-variations/

Wow. I knew the odds were in our favor with that dealer but I didn't realize it was that big of an edge.

Once noon came and his shift was over the whole table colored up and got out of there. lol

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The PLAYER edge would be over 6% if the push on 22 was ignored. Yes, you would apply basic strategy if a dealer 22 resulted in a player win.

In this situation you would still want to switch certain hands though, correct?

Quote: AcesAndEights

In this situation you would still want to switch certain hands though, correct?

Yes, he meant after switching you would follow normal Blackjack strategy.

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...I went "aw crap,"...

One of the unwritten rules is you should never say anything that adversely impacts another player unless it helps you. One rare example might be at 5-card poker where if the dealer doesn't recognise a straight and thinks he hasn't qualified so starts paying everybody and as a result you don't get paid your full house. A more common one where the hand has been wrongly set at PaiGow (cards or Tiles) or the dealer pays someone else too much.

(I know some people think you have to point out dealer errors - but if it's not your hand it isn't your business.)

Seriously one of the problems casinos have with the various Blackjacks which have a "22 push" rule is that the dealer has to remember which version of Blackjack they are dealing, so do sometimes forget. The tables with the "22" side-bet act as a friendly reminder - although it's a pain to deal.

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Seriously one of the problems casinos have with the various Blackjacks which have a "22 push" rule is that the dealer has to remember which version of Blackjack they are dealing, so do sometimes forget. The tables with the "22" side-bet act as a friendly reminder - although it's a pain to deal.

It's also usually written on the felt. Barring that, the fact that each player gets two hands in this game should make it stand out.

Quote: charliepatrick

One of the unwritten rules is you should never say anything that adversely impacts another player unless it helps you. One rare example might be at 5-card poker where if the dealer doesn't recognise a straight and thinks he hasn't qualified so starts paying everybody and as a result you don't get paid your full house. A more common one where the hand has been wrongly set at PaiGow (cards or Tiles) or the dealer pays someone else too much.

I disagree, - and have pointed out such things as "dealer's 22 is a push," "Dealer's Queen high is a push," and "your hand is a straight, and you qualify."

If it is a wrong result based on the HONEST and apparent result of the cards - AND neither I nor anyone player didn't honestly win it, I point it out.
I don't care which way the dirty play goes down, just if it happens.

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(I know some people think you have to point out dealer errors - but if it's not your hand it isn't your business.)

Sure it is. If any dirty / wrong play goes down at a table I'm on, then it IS my business. Don't care which way the error went down, that it exists is enough.

Quote: charliepatrick

Seriously one of the problems casinos have with the various Blackjacks which have a "22 push" rule is that the dealer has to remember which version of Blackjack they are dealing, so do sometimes forget. The tables with the "22" side-bet act as a friendly reminder - although it's a pain to deal.

It isn't that hard, neither is pushing a Queen-high on Pai Gow. Dealing a busy crap game is a challenge, though.