"Count" with CSM
I playing European BJ. 6 decks, stand on soft 17, double 9/10/11 only, "unlimited" resplits including aces.
They using a CSM, but does not refill continuous. (When they have used ~1.5-2 decks they move half of the used cards back in the machine.
Should i remember count for each round and always use last 3 round, and then use the strategy from WoO?
http://discountgambling.net/2012/07/27/counting-csm-blackjack-ev/
Having said that, if you're going to play anyway, it might add some fun to the game. Even if you can just play break-even, that IS free entertainment (assuming that you enjoy playing and counting).
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIMO, it's definitely interesting, but, realistically, it's not a worthwhile AP opportunity.
I just read one of Stephen How's replies to comments. He does say that it's not a worthwhile AP opportunity:
"I’m correct about all of this. I think it’s good to know about this effect, but I don’t think it’s very profitable in the scheme of things."
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceit might add some fun to the game
If anythingelse, it'll keep people from overbetting. Maybe :)
I new theoretically that there could be an advantage in a CSM but had never seen before any numbers published.
The numbers that Stephen gives is for an a game with a HE of -0.44%. The maximum Player advantage is 0.49% with frequency 0.1%.
That is assuming that 16 cards stay on the buffer and put cards back at then end of each round.
Under these conditions the Player advantage is tiny and not worth the trouble of any AP.
But change the conditions into combinatioons of the following:
Game with a smal HE, say -0.1%.
CSM machine wich buffers more cards (say 24 cards).
Dealer inserts cards after say 1 deck.
Reduce number of decks to 4 decks.
And probably there are such games where the Player advantage becomes respectable and worth pursuing.
The numbers that remain in the buffer is permanent penetration. Say 16 cards (0.3 decks) remain in the buffer then you always play with penetration 5.7 decks in a 6 decks game. You never play with 6 decks penetration (except for the first round when you sit down, unless you backcount that).
Quote: AceTwoVery Interesting stuff the work of Stephen How.
I new theoretically that there could be an advantage in a CSM but had never seen before any numbers published.
The numbers that Stephen gives is for an a game with a HE of -0.44%. The maximum Player advantage is 0.49% with frequency 0.1%.
That is assuming that 16 cards stay on the buffer and put cards back at then end of each round.
Under these conditions the Player advantage is tiny and not worth the trouble of any AP.
But change the conditions into combinatioons of the following:
Game with a smal HE, say -0.1%.
CSM machine wich buffers more cards (say 24 cards).
Dealer inserts cards after say 1 deck.
Reduce number of decks to 4 decks.
And probably there are such games where the Player advantage becomes respectable and worth pursuing.
The numbers that remain in the buffer is permanent penetration. Say 16 cards (0.3 decks) remain in the buffer then you always play with penetration 5.7 decks in a 6 decks game. You never play with 6 decks penetration (except for the first round when you sit down, unless you backcount that).
Where are you going to find a BJ game with a house edge of 0.1%? I've only seen those at online casinos. Doubtful anything like that exists in real life.
Quote: AcesAndEightsWhere are you going to find a BJ game with a house edge of 0.1%? I've only seen those at online casinos. Doubtful anything like that exists in real life.
Used to be some in Macau. Not red chip levels of course. CSM.
But it's really playing for break-even at best.
Quote: Torghatten
They using a CSM, but does not refill continuous. (When they have used ~1.5-2 decks they move half of the used cards back in the machine.
Where do they remove the half of the unused cards from? If they are always taking the top half of the 1.5-2 decks of used cards, the bottom half would ALWAYS remain out of play. If that were the case, which is not likely, knowing the value of that bottom half of used card that would always be out of play could be advantageous, if it was a disproportionate number of small cards. In a 6 deck game, probably not enough to flip the advantage from house to player, but possible, if there were enough small cards in that always out of play portion.
