AB21
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December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53:57 AM permalink
I fogot to mention that this ridiculous rule does not slow down the game because the dealer will not ask who wants to surrender like they do with asking for insurance
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December 2nd, 2012 at 10:05:12 AM permalink
Quote: AB21

I have lived and played blackjack in Alberta for 25 years and have the answer to the original question. Unfortunately this was not an error by the dealer - but a very silly house rule. If a player wants to surrender, they must do so prior to the first person at the table taking an additional card. I have no idea why this stupid rule exists, but it certainly means you need to pay attention and act quickly!



That's exactly why I said in my post that I'd stop short of calling it a mistake. I take it then that the dealer doesn't offer it in a clear organized manner as in insurance rather the player must shout it out as soon as he gets his second card. Is the surrendered hand picked up immediately or in turn?
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AB21
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December 2nd, 2012 at 10:22:54 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

That's exactly why I said in my post that I'd stop short of calling it a mistake. I take it then that the dealer doesn't offer it in a clear organized manner as in insurance rather the player must shout it out as soon as he gets his second card. Is the surrendered hand picked up immediately or in turn?


That is correct. The dealer does not offer surrender at all, so you pretty much have to shout it out as soon as the dealer finishes dealing everyone their first 2 cards (the Alberta games are no hole card). This can be tricky after a few cocktails or if you get distracted.
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December 2nd, 2012 at 1:15:15 PM permalink
I've seen early surrender lots of times, except against an ace, in Panama and Macau.
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December 2nd, 2012 at 1:19:14 PM permalink
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I've seen early surrender lots of times, except against an ace, in Panama and Macau.



Atlantic City had it when they first opened and that was with the dealers ace up.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 8:06:41 AM permalink
A lot of European no hole card games have early surrender vs 10.

About Atlantic City – yes, it used to be full early surrender, this is why when this rule was abolished, Ken Uston writes in his ‘Million dollar BJ’ that Atlantic City is not any more the candy store it used to be.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 9:06:23 AM permalink
This rule is common in some countries. You have to be very quick and stop the dealer before they give a hit card to anyone,I usually try to sit in seat one to prevent this.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 11:22:16 AM permalink
Early surrender is almost always accompanied by no-peek, isn't it? And hardly ever allowed against an Ace.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 11:36:45 AM permalink
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Early surrender is almost always accompanied by no-peek, isn't it? And hardly ever allowed against an Ace.



Yes. I've only seen it in no-hole-card games, and with rare exception never against an ace. In the early days of Internet casinos Unified Gaming had a 3-2 single-deck game with full early surrender. Player edge of about 0.6%.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 1:51:48 PM permalink
Too bad it's not real, but I once made up a casino that allows full ES if you're wearing a certain kind of shoe:
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/9267-new-casino-offering-early-surrender/

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