RANT!!!

Some people are just perennial losers. They go into every situation expecting to lose and find humor in the fact that they suffer bad beats, like it was meant to happen to THEM.

So they find reason NOT to play BS and jump the second someone does something wild, regardless of the end result. They figure "I'm going to lose no matter what, so why not lose less?" Therefore, they won't split 8's, 7's, 6's, 3's and 2's when the time calls for it because they already expect to lost the hand.

They then start to preach this philosophy as it is the god's honest truth and snarl when the play just happens to go against them.

Why? Because they WANT to lose, but can't hold themselves accountable. They WANT to blame someone else for their losing and in your case it's just a matter of bad timing.

I once did a sales job, and had the unenviable task of training someone whose philosophy was "Well, people are going to say No anyway. So why bother to say anything else after they do?" Even when I showed him how to turn a No towards him, into a maybe later, and then into a YES for a sale for me! He still quipped, "well you just got lucky and she didn't like me!"

The old loser's mentality never dies, just changes from venue to venue!

Did the jackass in rant #1 not realize if you'd have not taken that 8 the dealr would've had 21 and you all 3 would've lost? LoL

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The bad vibes stuff is crap. If you are playing with an advantage you should play regardless of what anyone else says to you. Just play your game, if people get mad enough at you they will just leave, which allows more EV/hour for you. There are a ton of degenerates out there, yes, even at the $100 tables. Play your game, the more idiotic they play the less likely the casino is to swing the rules more in their favor.

Quote: sodawater

did you get the details in story 1 wrong? I find it hard to believe that a player would complain about a dealer making 19 with you hitting when he would have made 21 when you stood.

The details are indeed correct - his view was that by my hitting a 12 v. 3 was that it was the wrong play regardless of how the hand turned out (I can only assume he is a "sacred order of the cards" proponent) - even though he argued for the incorrect play (plus I also supposed he would rather have had the entire table lose rather than just himself - ye olde misery loves company)

Its YOU against the dealer, not the players as a group nor the players as individuals... its YOU. Stop socializing. Gamble.

Quote: FleaStiff

Its YOU against the dealer, not the players as a group nor the players as individuals... its YOU. Stop socializing. Gamble.

Socializing is great for cover and I like talking and BS'g - I could not sit there in silence while I play.

This reminds me of playing Texas Holdem. There have been so many times when a player trys to bluff and somone calls a big bet and all they have is a pair and they win a huge pot. The raiser that tried to bluff will get angry and tell the winner he sucks and should never have called. so funny to see these type of conversations at a table. My opinion is if someone makes a gutsy call and wins, that player made the right decision.
In Blackjack, some players feel that other players incorrect play will cause them to lose due to players and dealers getting different cards due to another players incorrect strategy. This is in reality, rediculous. Sure incorrect play means others may get different cards, but its still gambling, the different cards have the same odds as helping or hurting.

What I usually like to say is "Blackjack is not a team sport." Or (LOL) "I'll listen to Ed Thorp before I listen to anybody."

I liked the challenge to bet on what the basic strategy card would say. The one who called you an amaetur for having a basic strategy card was probably a student of John Patrick. My advice is not to let them chase you off but give it right back to them.

Quote: Wizard

I liked the challenge to bet on what the basic strategy card would say. The one who called you an amaetur for having a basic strategy card was probably a student of John Patrick. My advice is not to let them chase you off but give it right back to them.

Thanks WIZ - I thought perhaps challenging him with a bet would be over the top but, when he kept his mouth shut and the dealer and pit boss told him it was a good idea not taking that bet, a small smile crept across my face!!!

Glad you found a suit and a dealer who knew basic strategy. ;)

Remember the big picture. Without these ignorant fools it wouldn't be possible for people like you and me to make a living. When I was on a blackjack team in the early eighties we crossed the line toward the end of our tenure from advantage playing to hard core cheating. A few of us did some months in jail for beating certain casinos with computer "coolers". While incarcerated, save for the obvious loss of one's freedom, the worst thing was being surrounded by such utter ignorance. I don't mean to sound arrogant. It's just that normal people who have demonstrated the good sense to stay out of jail, probably have no idea what it is like to crack a scintillatingly funny joke and have no one around who is capable of laughing at it.

Your rant strikes a chord with me because I am now banking in California some of the games you so adroitly parse on your excellent website. Doing so hour after excruciatingly boring hour is so reminiscent, and only a tiny step up from, those days in the can. When the boneheads lose and blame the dealer or the player who skipped a hand to go to the rest room, I can't say things like, "I wouldn't want to be his dog", nor would people likely catch my drift, and that includes most of the dealers and bosses. Conversely, back when I had a couple of nickels to rub together, I logged thousands of hours in some of the world's highest limit stud games. What I miss so much from those, aside from the cash earned, was the badinage at the table. Even those hypocritical and sanctimonious ones who didn't care for me or my checkered past, were hilariously witty in their ridicule. I would take that any time over the prosaic schtick of the dumb-dumb donkeys from whom I am attempting relieve money, these days.

I salute you, for having in the face of incredible irony, the poise and inner sense of security not to reveal to them who you were.

Did I misunderstand the "rant Thread"? Was it not started by the Wizard himself?

Sorry for the confusion. I responded with a long post believing that the above was penned by Shakleford.

" Finally, the pièce de résistance was when one of them told everyone at the table that the dealer's 2 upcard was the "dealer's Ace""

I have heard that said more often by dealers than players LOL

If there were no ladies at the table a polite F*** YOU might have ended any further advice in Rant #1

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Quote: Buzzard

" Finally, the pièce de résistance was when one of them told everyone at the table that the dealer's 2 upcard was the "dealer's Ace""

I have heard that said more often by dealers than players LOL

If there were no ladies at the table a polite F*** YOU might have ended any further advice in Rant #1

Buzz - I did indeed utter those words - to both the astonishment and the amusement of the pit boss and dealer who I play with all the time

Quote: joethomas135

Sorry for the confusion. I responded with a long post believing that the above was penned by Shakleford.

joe - your post was indeed eloquent and very much welcome - even if it was directed at the Wizard and not me :-)

Thank You. I was confused because I thought I saw "administrator" as the thread author.

Quote: aceofspades

I then asked him if he would like to consult a basic strategy chart and bet me on whether it says a 10,2 is a hit or not against a 3
He did not reply and I chose to leave the table as I felt there were bad vibes all around!Thoughts???

Very smart response. I hate the da's who ruin
a perfectly nice atmosphere with their stupid
comments. It simply proves their ignorance
but they are too ignorant to even know it !

I didn't know anyone even gambled at Revel enough to have 3 people at a table.