Maybe some stupid questions about Blackjack ?

1. If I split a hand 3 times making 4 hands on the table and then lost them all, this means I have lost 4 hands in a row or just 1 ?

2. If I split a hand and then lost on one and won on the other one, means I have tied with the dealer 1 hand or lost and 1 won 1 ?

3. If I lose in a B&M casino 6 hands in a row, then came home and in an online RNG casino lose another 8 hands in a row, (so some ties in between ex. 18 vs dealer 18) and then go to sleep and on the next day in a Live Dealer Online lose another 5 hands in a row, and then after a break of 1 week I deal myself 3 hands out of a deck and lose the first 2 of them, means I lost 21 hands IN A ROW ?

This is what went through my mind when I read your post;

You must be very lonely, or extremely bored.

When you leave the house do you have trouble finding your way back home?

You may need some professional help.

You might be the guy that I played with last week who took almost a full minute to decide whether to hit his 16 vs dealer 7. Then repeated this exact same scenario twice in the next 45 min. with the same amount of delay.

Quote: PlayHunter

1. If I split a hand 3 times making 4 hands on the table and then lost them all, this means I have lost 4 hands in a row or just 1 ?

I think it's 4 hands in a row.

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2. If I split a hand and then lost on one and won on the other one, means I have tied with the dealer 1 hand or lost and 1 won 1 ?

Lost one and won one.

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3. If I lose in a B&M casino 6 hands in a row, then came home and in an online RNG casino lose another 8 hands in a row, (so some ties in between ex. 18 vs dealer 18) and then go to sleep and on the next day in a Live Dealer Online lose another 5 hands in a row, and then after a break of 1 week I deal myself 3 hands out of a deck and lose the first 2 of them, means I lost 21 hands IN A ROW ?

What's a "B&M" casino

Brick & Mortar, as opposed to "online" or "virtual".

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Quote: PlayHunter

1. If I split a hand 3 times making 4 hands on the table and then lost them all, this means I have lost 4 hands in a row or just 1 ?

2. If I split a hand and then lost on one and won on the other one, means I have tied with the dealer 1 hand or lost and 1 won 1 ?

3. If I lose in a B&M casino 6 hands in a row, then came home and in an online RNG casino lose another 8 hands in a row, (so some ties in between ex. 18 vs dealer 18) and then go to sleep and on the next day in a Live Dealer Online lose another 5 hands in a row, and then after a break of 1 week I deal myself 3 hands out of a deck and lose the first 2 of them, means I lost 21 hands IN A ROW ?

I think there is no uniform definition of "hands in a row", or even a "hand". If you double down your hand and lose it, do you have lost 2 hands ?

For me personally a "hand" are the first 2 cards dealt to the player in the game. Splitting that hand will not make it two hands, it is just a strategy decision involving additional bets (like the double down). With the consequence that hand may not simply "win" or "lose", but also win or lose different amounts.

Naturally with this in mind, "hands won in a row" is a more difficult measure to use, but it isn't a good measure at all in the first place.

Quote: Dynamite

This is what went through my mind when I read your post;

You must be very lonely, or extremely bored.

When you leave the house do you have trouble finding your way back home?

You may need some professional help.

You might be the guy that I played with last week who took almost a full minute to decide whether to hit his 16 vs dealer 7. Then repeated this exact same scenario twice in the next 45 min. with the same amount of delay.

Wow! Remind me to never ask you a question unless I want advice on making veiled insults.

Quote: MangoJ

I think there is no uniform definition of "hands in a row", or even a "hand". If you double down your hand and lose it, do you have lost 2 hands ?

For me personally a "hand" are the first 2 cards dealt to the player in the game. Splitting that hand will not make it two hands, it is just a strategy decision involving additional bets (like the double down). With the consequence that hand may not simply "win" or "lose", but also win or lose different amounts.

Naturally with this in mind, "hands won in a row" is a more difficult measure to use, but it isn't a good measure at all in the first place.

I think that if I double down a hand and I am losing it, then it means I have lost a hand with double value, but not two hands.

But as IbeatYourAces says, a hand - the two first initial cards - is better to be called "a round", and this round can then be divided in sub-rounds if the hand is split. If for example we have a pair of 8s, we split them, and on one sub-round we doubled down, and lost both sub-rounds, then it means we lost only one round, but with triple value. But if we win the double down sub-round, and we lose the other sub-round, then it means we won one round with single value. And if we follow this, then a split round with two sub-rounds, one won (without double down) and one lost (also without double down) should add up for a push total round just like a player 18 vs dealer 18 initial round. (And the same would go if we split twice making 3 sub-rounds, doubling down one of them and winning it while losing the other two - all would add up for a "tie/push" main round) - It would really make sense to me !

And then, this way we could measure more accurately how many "rounds in a row" we won or lost instead of "hands in a row".

But of course, some rounds can end up with 8 times value of the initial bet. (split 3 times and double down on each sub-round)

Quote: 1BB

Wow! Remind me to never ask Dynamite a question unless I want advice on making veiled insults.

For sure Dynamite needs his special VIP "professional help treatment". Flagged his post to make sure he gets it ! :-)

Even so, accounting them as "rounds" instead of hands, it is correct if I say that I have lost 21 rounds in a row even if game versions played, places where I played and days when I played were all alternated ? (just because I had no winning round during this interval)

Sure you can say that you lost 21 rounds/hands/whatever in a row. But what is your point ? In a game of chance this isn't much unlikely.

And it doesn't change the odds of the next round/hand/whatever either.

Someone told me that I can not ignore "push/tie" hands when literally affirming "lost in a row". And he said that 1 hand/(round) lost followed by 1 hand tied/pushed with the dealer and then followed by 2 hands lost, does NOT literally mean that I have lost 3 hands in a row, but only 2, because between the first lose and the last two loses I had tie. I said he is wrong, and we actually did a bet on this.

PS: And I told him that the only thing we have to take into consideration is how long is the losing streak until a win occur. Because in theory it can take even days until a win occur, and the pushes/ties should be ignored, in order to see how long was that losing streak.

It's all semantics. Whatever happens, happens. You can call it what you want, although, you're better off using EV and Standard Deviation than hands and rounds, when analyzing probabilities in gaming.

What does it matter if you win 5 and then lose 5, compared to alternate 5 wins and 5 losses (assuming a flat bet?) Assuming an even money pay out, either is really the same thing.

Quote: Boney526

It's all semantics. Whatever happens, happens. You can call it what you want, although, you're better off using EV and Standard Deviation than hands and rounds, when analyzing probabilities in gaming.

What does it matter if you win 5 and then lose 5, compared to alternate 5 wins and 5 losses (assuming a flat bet?) Assuming an even money pay out, either is really the same thing.

Exactly Boney, seems to be all semantics. So I guess, I did a bet on semantics with my friend. And seem to remain an unsettled bet. No, I was not trying to calculate what is the SD or the probability of that streak to occur. Just to see who`s wording was more clear..

Quote: PlayHunter

Exactly Boney, seems to be all semantics. So I guess, I did a bet on semantics with my friend. And seem to remain an unsettled bet. No, I was not trying to calculate what is the SD or the probability of that streak to occur. Just to see who`s wording was more clear..

Fair enough. The answer to your question would be entirely up to how an individual defines these things him/herself. I don't really know how to resolve your bet. (Count ties or not, splits that 1 wins 1 loses, double downs, etc.)