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November 17th, 2022 at 11:22:23 AM permalink
Man hits two $140k video keno jackpots on same machine playing same numbers a month apart.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/140k-video-keno-jackpot-so-nice-gets-hit-twice-2677724/
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November 17th, 2022 at 12:04:37 PM permalink
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Man hits two $140k video keno jackpots on same machine playing same numbers a month apart.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/140k-video-keno-jackpot-so-nice-gets-hit-twice-2677724/
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This was doing the rounds on Twitter. It's the -5% keno and not the -9% apparently.

What a racket for the bartenders. Suggest playing keno instead of craps, BJ, or VP. Whenever someone loses it's just bad luck and he/she(the bartender) receives a normal tip, whenever someone hits big, it's because the bartender knows something and they receive a big tip.

I always see bartenders pushing 5-spot keno. They just know keno is better for their tips on jackpots, however, they don't really understand why.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 17th, 2022 at 12:08:50 PM permalink
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Man hits two $140k video keno jackpots on same machine playing same numbers a month apart.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/140k-video-keno-jackpot-so-nice-gets-hit-twice-2677724/
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This was doing the rounds on Twitter. It's the -5% keno and not the -9% apparently.

What a racket for the bartenders. Suggest playing keno instead of craps, BJ, or VP. Whenever someone loses it's just bad luck and he/she(the bartender) receives a normal tip, whenever someone hits big, it's because the bartender knows something and they receive a big tip.

I always see bartenders pushing 5-spot keno. They just know keno is better for their tips on jackpots, however, they don't really understand why.
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Back when I worked in casinos a lot I always recommended the change girls to point someone to a machine when asked which was the lucky one. So many of them just said "I don't know". I explained to them that if they pointed to a machine and the person won they would be a hero and probably get a tip, if they lost no big deal. They started making a lot more tips when they started always directing someone to a particular machine.
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November 17th, 2022 at 12:39:04 PM permalink
The appeal of a game as bad as keno is understandable when you look at how massive some of the jackpots are. They can be much bigger than the 800x on a royal flush.

I don't know if there are situations (progressives?) where video keno ever becomes a good game in terms of payback percentage. It might be slightly better than slots on average.

But for people who gamble solely for the thrill of chasing a big hit, it's hard to top keno.

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November 17th, 2022 at 1:07:01 PM permalink
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Man hits two $140k video keno jackpots on same machine playing same numbers a month apart.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/140k-video-keno-jackpot-so-nice-gets-hit-twice-2677724/
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This was doing the rounds on Twitter. It's the -5% keno and not the -9% apparently.

What a racket for the bartenders. Suggest playing keno instead of craps, BJ, or VP. Whenever someone loses it's just bad luck and he/she(the bartender) receives a normal tip, whenever someone hits big, it's because the bartender knows something and they receive a big tip.

I always see bartenders pushing 5-spot keno. They just know keno is better for their tips on jackpots, however, they don't really understand why.
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Back when I worked in casinos a lot I always recommended the change girls to point someone to a machine when asked which was the lucky one. So many of them just said "I don't know". I explained to them that if they pointed to a machine and the person won they would be a hero and probably get a tip, if they lost no big deal. They started making a lot more tips when they started always directing someone to a particular machine.
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Some casinos back in the day had policies forbidding this, it was considered tip hustling.
I was told the real reason was in fear of being liable and blamed if someone lost and made a fuss.

What people may not realize, is when it comes to the slot department and the tipping culture, it's infected with jealousy and envy, it can be a very cutthroat toxic environment with cliques and hierarchy and people will rat you out any chance they get. It's actually very sad.

For each jackpot, you might have as many as 5 people competing for a tip. Normally it's not that many unless the jackpot is a significant one.

The number one thing on 95% of the employee's minds when a jackpot is hit is...

"WILL I GET A TIP AND HOW MUCH?"

I forgot to mention the hate some people harbor toward those who don't tip enough.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 17th, 2022 at 1:22:53 PM permalink
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The appeal of a game as bad as keno is understandable when you look at how massive some of the jackpots are. They can be much bigger than the 800x on a royal flush.

I don't know if there are situations (progressives?) where video keno ever becomes a good game in terms of payback percentage. It might be slightly better than slots on average.

But for people who gamble solely for the thrill of chasing a big hit, it's hard to top keno.


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Also, depending on your the number of slots you choose, the jackpot frequency can be significantly less than a Royal Flush. A significant amount of the payback comes from the jackpot only. The combination of a frequent jackpot cycle where a significant percentage of payback is coming from the jackpot makes for a bartender's dream.

You can go on a significant run playing 5 spots. You can also get your ass kicked when you run just a little bad.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 17th, 2022 at 2:04:32 PM permalink
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The appeal of a game as bad as keno is understandable when you look at how massive some of the jackpots are. They can be much bigger than the 800x on a royal flush.

I don't know if there are situations (progressives?) where video keno ever becomes a good game in terms of payback percentage. It might be slightly better than slots on average.

But for people who gamble solely for the thrill of chasing a big hit, it's hard to top keno.



My observation is that there are a fair number of Keno games that can go positive and how many that you will find is going to depend largely on the market. Further, it is my opinion that any positive return percentage via a progressive will tend to be less frequently occurring on straight keno games...10/10 being an example of one that almost never goes positive because of the starting point for the progressive and low initial contribution to the return percentage simply because of how obscenely unlikely that the result is.
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November 17th, 2022 at 3:14:46 PM permalink
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My observation is that there are a fair number of Keno games that can go positive and how many that you will find is going to depend largely on the market.



Many can be found in Montana if you do your homework. MickeyCrimm may fight you over them though.
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November 17th, 2022 at 3:55:35 PM permalink
Another method of going for a $140,000 jackpot would be to find a 50-play or 100-play 9/6 video poker machine at $1 denom and play 35 lines. 35 x $5 = $175 per play. You'd win $140,000 on the extremely rare occasion when you are DEALT a royal flush (35 x $5 x 800). But you'd rarely ever lose an entire $175 wager all at once because you'd have 35 chances to make any sort of winning hand on a draw.

On a $2 denom 100-play machine max betting for $1,000, a dealt royal would be worth $800,000. But you're not really risking the full $1,000, assuming you never lose 100 draws in a row. So the effective return on a dealt royal would be more than 800x when measured against the worst loss ever experienced on a $1,000 wager (if your maximum loss is $900, then that's the effective cost of obtaining the opportunity to be dealt a royal worth $800,000).

I'm sure the EV on multi-hand games works out to be the same as on single hand games with the same pay tables. But the multi-hand variants are much less volatile while still offering a (more remote) chance of producing a 800x hit.
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November 17th, 2022 at 5:07:34 PM permalink
I once knew a moyel who didn't charge. He only took tips.
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November 17th, 2022 at 6:31:56 PM permalink
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My observation is that there are a fair number of Keno games that can go positive and how many that you will find is going to depend largely on the market.



Many can be found in Montana if you do your homework. MickeyCrimm may fight you over them though.
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I do not think a $140k jackpot is any kind of common in Montana.
Expect lots of small wins rather than one massive score.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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November 18th, 2022 at 4:21:24 AM permalink
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My observation is that there are a fair number of Keno games that can go positive and how many that you will find is going to depend largely on the market.



Many can be found in Montana if you do your homework. MickeyCrimm may fight you over them though.
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I do not think a $140k jackpot is any kind of common in Montana.
Expect lots of small wins rather than one massive score.
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I definitely agree with that. Montana has advantage Keno available if you do your homework but I doubt you will find many large jackpots.
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November 18th, 2022 at 4:31:16 AM permalink
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My observation is that there are a fair number of Keno games that can go positive and how many that you will find is going to depend largely on the market.



Many can be found in Montana if you do your homework. MickeyCrimm may fight you over them though.
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I do not think a $140k jackpot is any kind of common in Montana.
Expect lots of small wins rather than one massive score.
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I definitely agree with that. Montana has advantage Keno available if you do your homework but I doubt you will find many large jackpots.
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It might not still be true, but I believe I recall reading Montana had a $800 jackpot cap at one time.
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November 18th, 2022 at 4:42:34 AM permalink
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My observation is that there are a fair number of Keno games that can go positive and how many that you will find is going to depend largely on the market.



Many can be found in Montana if you do your homework. MickeyCrimm may fight you over them though.
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I do not think a $140k jackpot is any kind of common in Montana.
Expect lots of small wins rather than one massive score.
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I definitely agree with that. Montana has advantage Keno available if you do your homework but I doubt you will find many large jackpots.
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It might not still be true, but I believe I recall reading Montana had a $800 jackpot cap at one time.
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I believe that is till true as of last year when I was in Montana. I do not know if progressives are capped at $800.
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November 18th, 2022 at 5:22:51 AM permalink
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My observation is that there are a fair number of Keno games that can go positive and how many that you will find is going to depend largely on the market.



Many can be found in Montana if you do your homework. MickeyCrimm may fight you over them though.
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I do not think a $140k jackpot is any kind of common in Montana.
Expect lots of small wins rather than one massive score.
link to original post



I definitely agree with that. Montana has advantage Keno available if you do your homework but I doubt you will find many large jackpots.
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It might not still be true, but I believe I recall reading Montana had a $800 jackpot cap at one time.
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I believe that is till true as of last year when I was in Montana. I do not know if progressives are capped at $800.
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I'll make a point to check on my next trip through.
I do know that the last time I checked, tribal casinos were highlighting that they are not capped at $800, and they believed it was one of their competitive advantages.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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