Cmlotito's 2019 Gambling Adventure
Jackpot 1, January 1st, 2019
$2,500
Jackpot 2, January 1st, 2019
$2,000
Jackpot 3, January 1st, 2019
$2,005
You seemed to have some question about whether you'd made the comp threshold.
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oh, did you make Noir?
Quote: beachbumbabsSo did you get your full $2500 and those are on freeplay? That would make it doubly sweet.
You seemed to have some question about whether you'd made the comp threshold.
I did freeplay after these jackpots. I won't discuss wins or losses as there are wild swings with this game. 3 jackpots in one trip do not always indicate a winning day. I have had winning trips with less jackpots than 3 in the past. Likewise I have had losing trips with more than 3. It all comes down to how far apart they come as well as multipliers on lesser payouts I may or may not get.
In 2018 I have had winning trips with no jackpots and losing ones with far more than 3.
I made the comp threshold. That was the first thing I checked. I prefer do to freeplay as the last thing I do before leaving so I always leave with money in my pocket no matter how the regular gambling goes. .
Quote: 100xOddsjust out of curiosity, what's dstp db on those 2 machines? 9/6/5?
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oh, did you make Noir?
I was going to check and forgot. I will post pictures of all the paytables if I can remember to take them the next time i go. Since this is a new year I have no reason to go more than once a week. I think I won't be going back until January 8th as they have a slot point multiplier that day which is suppose to range from 5x to 19x for me. They also have a kiosk game on the 6th which us a guaranteed minimum of $50 freeplay. But my weekly freeplay doesn't start until Monday so I'm not sure if I will go on Sunday or not. I'd like to try to maintain a high coin in per trip this year to see how high my weekly freeplay will get. I'm afraid that going on Sunday just for freeplay might hurt that average.
Normally 1000 slot points would $10 in freeplay and I would get that from $35,000 coin in. I'm suppose to get a 30% bonus on this due to platinum status. That equates to .037% add that to the 99.48% return makes it 99.517% I'm not sure how that will stack with this multiplier on Tuesday. But multiply the base earned by at least 5x should be at least $50 in freeplay. So that would add .14% to the return making it 99.62% minimum. Nothing to write home about but at 19x that would be $190 in freeplay earned for $35,000 coin in. That would add .542% to the return making it 100.042% return. Again, nothing earth shattering but it's better than nothing.
If I get 19x would I play the crap out of it? Probably not. I like to play based on time spent playing and prefer to end on a high note. Meaning when I decide to stop it's usually right after hitting a jackpot. On the 1st, I stopped after hitting the second 4 AWAK. I had been there about 6 hours and it seemed like a good point to stop.
Quote: tringlomaneNice pulls to start!
Got those 3 jackpots in 5352 deals so that would be 16056 hands.
I'm staring at several freeplay collection days this month beyond my weekly allotment and am up in the air if I should go for every one or if it would hurt my weekly allotment down the road. .
In addition to posting my jackpot pictures this year I thought people might find it interesting to read stuff like this:
MGM National Harbor this month, January 2019, has 4 Mystery Free Play days. January 3,5,19, and 26th. This month my mystery freeplay each day ranges from $60 to $10,000. The only way to find out is to insert your card into a slot machine there and it will tell you. Well, not so fast. I discovered last year that if I log onto the M Life website the day of the mystery freeplay that it will show on my account how much I will get if I go to the casino. Mystery solved. However, the free play must be used that day or it will disappear at midnight.
But wait, today I had a thought. I know, dont hurt myself. I logged in this morning and saw I would get $150 in freeplay today. My problem though is i dont have time today to play a lot and I'm afraid if i only collect my freeplay that it could hurt my weekly freeplay I'm getting down the road. I still dont know how that is calculated. Is it all coin in over a month or based on a per trip average? Still looking into that.
So what I thought I would try today was to go there and insert my card then activate my freeplay like I was going to play but then remove my card without actually playing. Here is my train of thought. In the past I have converted my slot points to freeplay but never used them all and noticed the freeplay from the points was still on my account days later. Would this work with mystery freeplay if it was activated like my points were but not actually used?
I will find out tomorrow when I check online and see if the $150 is still there.
Am I concerned I may have wasted $150 in freeplay? A little bit. But I think it is worth the risk to know for sure if this will work or not.
If it does work then I will go on the 5th to activate that days mystery freeplay and play next Tuesday on the slot point multiplier day for a large amount of coin in that day.
If it doesn't then I will need to figure out how the weekly freeplay is calculated.
Hope some of you found this interesting.
I'm not sure how MGM National Harbor works, but I would think it possible that just swiping to activate your freeplay may trigger a gaming day. This may be an issue if you are looking to keep your ADT up.Quote: cmlotitoSo what I thought I would try today was to go there and insert my card then activate my freeplay like I was going to play but then remove my card without actually playing. Here is my train of thought. In the past I have converted my slot points to freeplay but never used them all and noticed the freeplay from the points was still on my account days later. Would this work with mystery freeplay if it was activated like my points were but not actually used?
Quote: JoemanI'm not sure how MGM National Harbor works, but I would think it possible that just swiping to activate your freeplay may trigger a gaming day. This may be an issue if you are looking to keep your ADT uip.
I'm not sure either but I need to take a first step somewhere. I'm hoping it's based on coin in of which I have zero today. I know when freeplay is used it adds to my coin in totals. I think this is an experiment worth trying.
I recommend you PM darkoz about how it works.Quote: cmlotitoI'm not sure either but I need to take a first step somewhere. I'm hoping it's based on coin in of which I have zero today. I know when freeplay is used it adds to my coin in totals. I think this is an experiment worth trying.
I could be wrong.
I would suggest you ask darkoz, or djatc, or rs, or mango, or AxelWolf before you do anything.
Quote: beachbumbabsChanged your title, cm. Yeah, you should ask someone first, because your current plan seems likely to damage your long-term rewards.
I could be wrong.
I would suggest you ask darkoz, or djatc, or rs, or mango, or AxelWolf before you do anything.
Thank you.
I already did what I said I did today. I figured it was worth a shot to see if the freeplay would survive the day or not. Seems like an obscure thing and I'll have an answer about that at least by tomorrow.
If it doesn't stick and what I did hurts my daily average then it's only one day and not the end of the world. I'll recover.
Here is my frame of reference for this experiment.
My weekly freeplay went from 70 in November and December to 175 in January. I can only assume it's because I had a huge jump in my coin in from August to October.
10 trips in August totaling $381,230
13 trips in September totaling $569,637
16 trips in October totaling $1,504,011
9 trips in November totaling $759,573
16 trips in December totaling$1,442,742
I sent an email to my host asking her if weekly freeplay is allotted by coin in per trip or per month. She has not responded yet but it's been less than a day. No idea if she would even tell me but no harm in asking.
Quote: cmlotitoThank you.
I already did what I said I did today. I figured it was worth a shot to see if the freeplay would survive the day or not. Seems like an obscure thing and I'll have an answer about that at least by tomorrow.
If it doesn't stick and what I did hurts my daily average then it's only one day and not the end of the world. I'll recover.
Here is my frame of reference for this experiment.
My weekly freeplay went from 70 in November and December to 175 in January. I can only assume it's because I had a huge jump in my coin in from August to October.
10 trips in August totaling $381,230
13 trips in September totaling $569,637
16 trips in October totaling $1,504,011
9 trips in November totaling $759,573
16 trips in December totaling$1,442,742
I sent an email to my host asking her if weekly freeplay is allotted by coin in per trip or per month. She has not responded yet but it's been less than a day. No idea if she would even tell me but no harm in asking.
Yeah many casinos weight the last quarter more than older play. Unfortunately every casino is different and takes trial and error to figure out offers.
Was the freeplay activation at a slot machine or did you activate it at a kiosk?
Kiosk wont hurt you
Slots activation will
Quote: tringlomaneI would expect a zero in the ADT book if you collected the FP and saved it until later. Doing it regularly likely effects your offers in a bad way. My mother did this once repeatedly with a local promo and her mailers were garbage for awhile afterward. But if you did it once and played a little bit more in your future visits to "make up" the zero, then I would think your offers would remain similar.
I did not collect the freeplay. I'm merely trying to see if I go there and stick my card in a machine, use my pin number to activate the freeplay like I'm going to play but not actually play. Will that allow my freeplay to stay on my account past today. I know if I do nothing at all it will disappear at midnight. And if I do play freeplay my coin in totals do go up. So I will just activate it and not play to see what happens.
And if I had to play more to make up this zero then i probably would.....if my money holds out. :)
Quote: darkozI doubt the freeplay will still be there tomorrow although I cant speak for certain
Was the freeplay activation at a slot machine or did you activate it at a kiosk?
Kiosk wont hurt you
Slots activation will
Have to activate it at a machine. Not kiosk for mystery freeplay.
Well, technically you stick your card in a machine to see how much you get but checking it online before going to the casino works as well. I have not gone in the past and it always disappears. I should know for sure tomorrow morning the result of this experiment.
Quote: onenickelmiracleYou just have to decide whether you are in or you are out. You cannot just take FP some days and try to maintain other days, it will not work.
Easiest outcome for me is the freeplay does not stick. That would simplify matters. Unfortunately things aren't always easy when it comes to gambling.
You have cost yourself more than you think with this experiment
Unfortunately no one here including myself is going to explain why
Its one of those situations that people in the know keep quiet about
Quote: darkozThe freeplay not sticking is not the easiest outcome
You have cost yourself more than you think with this experiment
Unfortunately no one here including myself is going to explain why
Its one of those situations that people in the know keep quiet about
That's ok. Sometimes people have to learn things for themselves. I'd rather experiment now in the beginning of the year before I settle into what winning or losing is going to happen.
I just feel like sharing the experience for those who may find it useful, amusing, or something else completely.
So, Saturday January 5th was another mystery freeplay day. I wasn't able to get to bed until 11pm the night before. I set my alarm for 3am. I figured I would get to the casino by 6am and play for 6 or 7 hours before heading to work. Well, when the alarm went off I rolled over and said screw that, I need more sleep. So I went back to sleep and woke up around 8am. Now I figured it was too late to go gambling as the machines would surely be booked. At 9am I logged on to see what I was missing on freeplay. Much to my chagrin it was $350! Well, I just had to go to at least collect the freeplay. Average daily coin in be damned!
I get there a little before 11am and to my surprise both machines were empty. So I went ahead and started playing both and got the following jackpots in the next 3.5 hours.
Jackpot 4, January 5th, 2019
Jackpot 5, January 5th, 2019
Proceeded to do my freeplay (which was an awful return) then went straight to work where I proceeded to be bored all night and kept browsing these forums.
I put in $77,721 coin in which was 3,701 deals.
So that would mean 3 visits (I'm counting the visit with no play in this in case it matters) with total coin in $193,032 for an average of $64,344 a visit.
I’m enjoying this thread btw.
Quote: PokerGrinderFor your card level, is $65k coin in per visit good, bad or sufficient? I have no idea, I’m just curious.
I’m enjoying this thread btw.
I don't really know what a good coin in per visit total would be. Others here know more about the ways of coin in than I do. I'm just gonna post it as a frame of reference so it may come in handy somewhere down the road.
Glad your enjoying it.
Also appreciate and am enjoying this thread.Quote: PokerGrinderFor your card level, is $65k coin in per visit good, bad or sufficient? I have no idea, I’m just curious.
I’m enjoying this thread btw.
I am currently at 1,246,320 tier credits. I have earned those since the reset on October 1st. So I will probably get to 2 million within the next 3 months it is safe to say. Unless of course I run out of money. :) Could go either way I suppose. Good news is I will be buying a new car tomorrow as my current one will need too many repairs to pass inspection. Not worth investing any more money in it. So MGM will not see at least 30k of there money back. So if I do crash and burn this year I will have at least gotten a new car out of this 2 year odyssey. No regrets either way.
P.S. Don't worry about Uncle Sam, I set aside his cut which he will get it April 15th and not a day sooner.
Worth me repeating that you should talk to an accountant to make sure you pay enough estimated taxes by Jan 15 to not get whacked with an underpayment penalty.Quote: cmlotito
P.S. Don't worry about Uncle Sam, I set aside his cut which he will get it April 15th and not a day sooner.
Quote: unJonWorth me repeating that you should talk to an accountant to make sure you pay enough estimated taxes by Jan 15 to not get whacked with an underpayment penalty.
Thank you.
Quote: cmlotitoWhat is the return on 10/6/5 Double Bonus Super Times Pay? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
99.16% per VP.com app
Quote: rsactuary99.16% per VP.com app
Thank you.
Quote: cmlotitoWhat is the return on 10/6/5 Double Bonus Super Times Pay? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
I almost went on tilt the last time I played that game. Lol
And yeah 99.16%. They don't offer 9/7/5 DB on regular STP because a 10X royal has odds of 1 in 18M which would make it illegal in a few states. 10/6/5 is 1 in 15.4M.
I went Sunday January 6th for the Wheel Of Winners Promotion. Spin the wheel on a kiosk game and win from $50 to $5,000 in free play. I won $100. Not terrible as I rarely ever get over $100. I think $125 was the highest I ever got. Usually it's 50-75 I would get. Also, I at some point today the tracking system didn't track some of my losses so MGM thinks I won $512 more than I actually did. Not sure what happened as neither machine malfunctioned and I always had my players card inserted. yet at the end when I went to reconcile the cash I had on me with what my spread sheet had recorded compared to what the M-Life website said I should have won, there was a $512 discrepancy. I had a $2,031 discrepancy last year but that happened when a machine crashed on me so I can understand that. This however baffles me.
Now as for the play, I played a lot on the 6th. Started off really well then tapered off. Here is what I got.
Jackpot 6 January 6, 2019
$10,000
Video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e874dKLPYGg
Jackpot 7 January 6, 2019
$2,240
jackpot 8 January 6, 2019
$2,240
Jackpot 9 January 6, 2019
$2,030
Jackpot 10 January 6, 2019
$2,000
I did $168,378 coin bringing my 4 trip daily average to $361,809/4=$90,452 per day
Quote: cmlotitoOk, a little behind in my updating.
I went Sunday January 6th for the Wheel Of Winners Promotion. Spin the wheel on a kiosk game and win from $50 to $5,000 in free play. I won $100. Not terrible as I rarely ever get over $100. I think $125 was the highest I ever got. Usually it's 50-75 I would get. Also, I at some point today the tracking system didn't track some of my losses so MGM thinks I won $512 more than I actually did. Not sure what happened as neither machine malfunctioned and I always had my players card inserted. yet at the end when I went to reconcile the cash I had on me with what my spread sheet had recorded compared to what the M-Life website said I should have won, there was a $512 discrepancy. I had a $2,031 discrepancy last year but that happened when a machine crashed on me so I can understand that. This however baffles me.
Now as for the play, I played a lot on the 6th. Started off really well then tapered off. Here is what I got.
Jackpot 6 January 6, 2019
$10,000
Video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e874dKLPYGg
Jackpot 7 January 6, 2019
$2,240
jackpot 8 January 6, 2019
$2,240
Jackpot 9 January 6, 2019
$2,030
Jackpot 10 January 6, 2019
$2,000
I did $168,378 coin bringing my 4 trip daily average to $361,809/4=$90,452 per day
So $90,000 gambling per day
Well over a quarter million dollars in gambling
You get $100 in freeplay
Hmmmm....
Quote: darkozQuote: cmlotitoOk, a little behind in my updating.
I went Sunday January 6th for the Wheel Of Winners Promotion. Spin the wheel on a kiosk game and win from $50 to $5,000 in free play. I won $100. Not terrible as I rarely ever get over $100. I think $125 was the highest I ever got. Usually it's 50-75 I would get. Also, I at some point today the tracking system didn't track some of my losses so MGM thinks I won $512 more than I actually did. Not sure what happened as neither machine malfunctioned and I always had my players card inserted. yet at the end when I went to reconcile the cash I had on me with what my spread sheet had recorded compared to what the M-Life website said I should have won, there was a $512 discrepancy. I had a $2,031 discrepancy last year but that happened when a machine crashed on me so I can understand that. This however baffles me.
Now as for the play, I played a lot on the 6th. Started off really well then tapered off. Here is what I got.
Jackpot 6 January 6, 2019
$10,000
Video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e874dKLPYGg
Jackpot 7 January 6, 2019
$2,240
jackpot 8 January 6, 2019
$2,240
Jackpot 9 January 6, 2019
$2,030
Jackpot 10 January 6, 2019
$2,000
I did $168,378 coin bringing my 4 trip daily average to $361,809/4=$90,452 per day
So $90,000 gambling per day
Well over a quarter million dollars in gambling
You get $100 in freeplay
Hmmmm....
$100 was from a kiosk game.
Currently I get $175 a week
The $350 was from a 1 day mystery free play that could range from 60 to 10,000
I'm posting my coin in and the average per day it gets me because I'm sure there are people here who are curious how that will translate to weekly free play a month or 2 from now.
Quote: cmlotitoQuote: darkozQuote: cmlotitoOk, a little behind in my updating.
I went Sunday January 6th for the Wheel Of Winners Promotion. Spin the wheel on a kiosk game and win from $50 to $5,000 in free play. I won $100. Not terrible as I rarely ever get over $100. I think $125 was the highest I ever got. Usually it's 50-75 I would get. Also, I at some point today the tracking system didn't track some of my losses so MGM thinks I won $512 more than I actually did. Not sure what happened as neither machine malfunctioned and I always had my players card inserted. yet at the end when I went to reconcile the cash I had on me with what my spread sheet had recorded compared to what the M-Life website said I should have won, there was a $512 discrepancy. I had a $2,031 discrepancy last year but that happened when a machine crashed on me so I can understand that. This however baffles me.
Now as for the play, I played a lot on the 6th. Started off really well then tapered off. Here is what I got.
Jackpot 6 January 6, 2019
$10,000
Video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e874dKLPYGg
Jackpot 7 January 6, 2019
$2,240
jackpot 8 January 6, 2019
$2,240
Jackpot 9 January 6, 2019
$2,030
Jackpot 10 January 6, 2019
$2,000
I did $168,378 coin bringing my 4 trip daily average to $361,809/4=$90,452 per day
So $90,000 gambling per day
Well over a quarter million dollars in gambling
You get $100 in freeplay
Hmmmm....
$100 was from a kiosk game.
Currently I get $175 a week
The $350 was from a 1 day mystery free play that could range from 60 to 10,000
I'm posting my coin in and the average per day it gets me because I'm sure there are people here who are curious how that will translate to weekly free play a month or 2 from now.
From the numbers you have posted I predict very little change in 2 months.
Within 3-4 months it may go down slightly
Of course there is more gambling to be done so those estimates may change
Quote: darkozI suppose the real question is what changes to freeplay are you hoping for?
I honestly have no idea what to expect. What I hope for would be more freeplay per week.
Several properties I have worked for calculate a 3 month average, not including the last month and base all offers on that.
Example: January offer is based on Sep-Oct-Nov. They cannot base it on December, or they would not be able to notify you in time for the first day of the month. That cushion month is used for lead time for marketing etc.
The good news, when your play finally does fall off, it will be at least 1 month before you notice any effect on your offers. If you don't play at all in February, your March offer should not be affected.
Having said all that, I could be 100% wrong in your individual case.
Quote: FCBLComishI am not sure how Free Play is calculated at the place where you are playing.
Several properties I have worked for calculate a 3 month average, not including the last month and base all offers on that.
Example: January offer is based on Sep-Oct-Nov. They cannot base it on December, or they would not be able to notify you in time for the first day of the month. That cushion month is used for lead time for marketing etc.
The good news, when your play finally does fall off, it will be at least 1 month before you notice any effect on your offers. If you don't play at all in February, your March offer should not be affected.
Having said all that, I could be 100% wrong in your individual case.
For bigger players, do they look more closely at the coin-in pattern, or do they tend to ignore patterns and just look at totals per measuring period?
Quote: AyecarumbaFor bigger players, do they look more closely at the coin-in pattern, or do they tend to ignore patterns and just look at totals per measuring period?
Bigger players will usually be dealing directly with a host. The formulas are for the masses who receive either a mailer or an e-mail telling them how much free play they will receive.
Quote: FCBLComishBigger players will usually be dealing directly with a host. The formulas are for the masses who receive either a mailer or an e-mail telling them how much free play they will receive.
Acknowledging your much better knowledge, I will add that my 2 main hosts at 2 different companies were always able to override and augment my RFB and comps, and encouraged me to call them before coming. Like, Harrahs computer limited me to 5 nights once, but I was there for 8. The reservation agents were not empowered to change it. All I had to do was call my host and he overrode it in advance. They would also offer unadvertised tickets they happened to have on hand, add folio comps, and other things.
However, I never had one directly offer extra freeplay or cage cash so either I didn't rate discretionary money or they didn't have that capability.
Quote: beachbumbabsAcknowledging your much better knowledge, I will add that my 2 main hosts at 2 different companies were always able to override and augment my RFB and comps, and encouraged me to call them before coming. Like, Harrahs computer limited me to 5 nights once, but I was there for 8. The reservation agents were not empowered to change it. All I had to do was call my host and he overrode it in advance. They would also offer unadvertised tickets they happened to have on hand, add folio comps, and other things.
However, I never had one directly offer extra freeplay or cage cash so either I didn't rate discretionary money or they didn't have that capability.
Not sure about CET, but we can give out discretionary Slot Free Play and/or TG Promo Chips.
Quote: beachbumbabsAcknowledging your much better knowledge, I will add that my 2 main hosts at 2 different companies were always able to override and augment my RFB and comps, and encouraged me to call them before coming. Like, Harrahs computer limited me to 5 nights once, but I was there for 8. The reservation agents were not empowered to change it. All I had to do was call my host and he overrode it in advance. They would also offer unadvertised tickets they happened to have on hand, add folio comps, and other things.
However, I never had one directly offer extra freeplay or cage cash so either I didn't rate discretionary money or they didn't have that capability.
My Caesars host back when I was Diamond did the same. I used to get comped way more than my offers stated that I should. He used to take care of everything when I checked out. We became friends and I found out when he quit Caesars that other hosts weren't as nice lol. I was informed that my account showed I was at 550% comp (by the new host) meaning that I had been comped 5.5 times more than I should have lol. I guess Andrew was very good to me.
