Good win on Craps, Good month!

Was at JANugget this weekend on comp mailer/free play.
Just happened to be at the crap table at the right time on Saturday night.
Started off just wanting to shoot, so I squeezed in to a full table, and bet very cautiously.
$5 flat + single odds pass & 1 come bet.
Hour and a half later (3 shooters) it gets to the guy next to me, and I'm up about $150. The guy next to me holds the cubes for a solid hour and a half HIMSELF. I only had bets on the 6/8 (start at $6, press up to $24 and leave at that level; I just like getting a green for every hit). I made $550 on JUST that guy. Of course, everyone else at the table (who had bets on EVERY number, of AT LEAST $100 each number) made in the THOUSANDS (One guy who is a good sized player made $20k).
The kid who threw the duke, actually made more in TIPS than he made himself (he was only betting $5 on the pass line single odds). He probably made $500 in JUST TIPS (after his rolls greens just started flying towards him and the guy who made $20k threw him a black; the guy to my left gave him $86)
Looking back, I wished I would have bought the 4/10 also, damnit; I recall one time, the guy to my left hit a $500 buy on the 4 to make $1000. (minus vig)

Now, not only has THIS happened this month...
The first weekend this month, I hit a $1200 25c Progressive Royal Flush, then $500 quad Aces with a kicker on 25c vP.
Then later that week I won $1100 on 25c vP (just hit a mass of quads playing Bonus Poker Deluxe).
Why can't shit like this happen EVERY month, LOL.

Congrats man! Where were you playing?

JANugget = John Ascuaga's Nugget in Sparks, NV.
The $1200 hit was at Grand Sierra Resort in Reno, NV
The $1100 overall win was at Jackson Rancheria Indian Casino in Jackson, CA.

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JANugget = John Ascuaga's Nugget in Sparks, NV.
The $1200 hit was at Grand Sierra Resort in Reno, NV
The $1100 overall win was at Jackson Rancheria Indian Casino in Jackson, CA.

Congrats! BTW, does Jackson Rancheria have some form of craps, played with cards?
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

No no, not at all. They UUUUSSSEEEED to, way back when. But it's been gone at least 5 years.

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No no, not at all. They UUUUSSSEEEED to, way back when. But it's been gone at least 5 years.

The Colusa Casino also abandoned their card craps game. Cache Creek still has it, though. Have you been out there?
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

I have played all forms of "Card craps" and I can safely say, they're all garbage.
I prefer Barona Casino in Lakeside if I'm going to play any "modified" form of craps...

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I have played all forms of "Card craps" and I can safely say, they're all garbage.
I prefer Barona Casino in Lakeside if I'm going to play any "modified" form of craps...

What makes them "garbage", in your view? Certainly, I prefer "pure" craps, but the cards systems I have played preserve the exact probabilities, so there's no need to play differently. What sort of system do they use in Lakeside?

The system I liked best was the one at Colusa:

two sets of six cards, ace through six, one set blue, one red, are placed in six blue and six red numbered rectangles
a red die and a blue die are thrown by the "shooter"
the number showing in the red die "points" to the red card to be turned over, same for the blue
the two cards are the analogs of dice, so you can have hardways, etc.
between "rolls", the cards are shuffled around, so you never know which card is in which box

There is no issue of replacement, the results are random and all the other rules were the same. I'm pretty sure that they paid triple 12 on the Field, but I can't remember what odds multiple they allowed. IIRC, the table was open evenings and weekends after around 1 PM. I don't know why they stopped it.

Cache Creek uses two decks of 36 cards, each with a picture of two dice. One deck is being shuffled while the other is in use. Two cards are dealt, one in a red rectangle, the other in a blue one. The "shooter" rolls a red die with just 1s and 3s and a blue one with just 2s and 4s, so there cannot be a tie. Whichever colored die has the higher number, the card in that colored rectangle is turned over, giving the result. The deck is only used for one roll, then replaced with the just-shuffled one, so here again there is no issue of replacement and the probabilities never change. Cache Creek does not have a triple payout on the Field, but they allow 3, 4 5X odds. On weekends they have $10 minimum, but during the week it's still $5, at least the last time I was there.

Cache Creek also has "roulette", played the same way, with cards and a wheel with black and red slots, double-zero of course. I have never played it, but I may try just a few spins for 35-1 on a single number. For a long payoff, it has a lower HA than any of the craps prop bets.

Yes, California should shit-can this stupid law, but in the meantime a 20-minute drive vs. a 2-1/2-hour drive and stayover tips the scale in favor of card craps most of the time, for me.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

Just because I personally dislike indian casino's, and I don't believe the "card craps" provides the same odds.
The one at Barona was SIMILAR to Colusa.
They had 6 cards (A-6) at the top of the table (directly in front of the boxman) and each card represented a die facing. They placed these cards at the beginning of each "hand", as to determine the dice outcome.
The rest of the game was exactly the same as craps in Nevada.
It only took me about 1 minute to figure out how to play it.

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Just because I personally dislike indian casino's, and I don't believe the "card craps" provides the same odds.

What is the basis for this disbelief? I am certain that the two methods I have experience with provide exactly the same probabilities as regualr dice.

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The one at Barona was SIMILAR to Colusa.
They had 6 cards (A-6) at the top of the table (directly in front of the boxman) and each card represented a die facing. They placed these cards at the beginning of each "hand", as to determine the dice outcome.

Just one set of six cards? How did they "place" these cards. Can you describe the method in more detail, please?
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

Great one. thanks..

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The one at Barona was SIMILAR to Colusa.
They had 6 cards (A-6) at the top of the table (directly in front of the boxman) and each card represented a die facing. They placed these cards at the beginning of each "hand", as to determine the dice outcome.

Just one set of six cards? How did they "place" these cards. Can you describe the method in more detail, please?

Since this thread got bumped today and this old question was never answered, I will give the answer I think is correct. At least I saw it played this way at one California tribal casino.

There are six rectangles in front of the box man, sized for one card each, and marked 1 through 6. There is one "deck" of six cards, Ace through 6 (or maybe two decks that get alternated, don't remember.) The box man shuffles the deck, deals the cards face down to the boxes, then turns them over. Each number on a card is thus matched to a number on its box.

The shooter uses a normal pair of dice. When he/she rolls, the box man reads the dice and slides forward the cards in the boxes with numbers that match the dice. The faces of the cards represent the "result" of the roll. If the dice are rolled as a double, only one card is pushed forward, and it represents a double roll of its number.

In my opinion, this is the closest match of card craps to regular craps. It is equivalent to the dice having the numbers rearranged to different faces for each shooter. This would probably play havoc with dice setters' strategies, but otherwise, the game is very much like real craps. Apparently the deck of shuffled cards provides the additional layer of randomness that is required in California. If the deck happened to be dealt to the boxes as Ace through 6 in order, then for that shooter the game is actually standard craps!

I watched a friend play a card version of craps in an Oklahoma casino once; it was similar to as you described it, Doc, except the "shooter" called out the box numbers, instead of throwing dice.

I actually like the California version better - throwing dice is a fun part of the game, I think, and the card craps my friend was playing kind of shorted us on that!

Of course, I can play normal craps in town, so I don't have to settle for any card version of the game ;-)

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Since this thread got bumped today and this old question was never answered, I will give the answer I think is correct. At least I saw it played this way at one California tribal casino.

There are six rectangles in front of the box man, sized for one card each, and marked 1 through 6. There is one "deck" of six cards, Ace through 6 (or maybe two decks that get alternated, don't remember.) The box man shuffles the deck, deals the cards face down to the boxes, then turns them over. Each number on a card is thus matched to a number on its box.

The shooter uses a normal pair of dice. When he/she rolls, the box man reads the dice and slides forward the cards in the boxes with numbers that match the dice. The faces of the cards represent the "result" of the roll. If the dice are rolled as a double, only one card is pushed forward, and it represents a double roll of its number.

In my opinion, this is the closest match of card craps to regular craps. It is equivalent to the dice having the numbers rearranged to different faces for each shooter. This would probably play havoc with dice setters' strategies, but otherwise, the game is very much like real craps. Apparently the deck of shuffled cards provides the additional layer of randomness that is required in California. If the deck happened to be dealt to the boxes as Ace through 6 in order, then for that shooter the game is actually standard craps!

I agree with you 100%. THIS is the type of game they have at Barona in Lakeside (San Diego) and NOW at Jackson Rancheria in Jackson (30 minutes east of Stockton)
Funny though...because I have been playing it lately in Jackson, and it's 100% a DONT table..Literally, I can make $500 in an hour, just playing a $10 flat dont pass bet. It's just P-7-O over and over and over...I dunno why it's so cold (or hot if you're playing the dont like me) but it is.

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I agree with you 100%. THIS is the type of game they have at Barona in Lakeside (San Diego) and NOW at Jackson Rancheria in Jackson (30 minutes east of Stockton)
Funny though...because I have been playing it lately in Jackson, and it's 100% a DONT table..Literally, I can make $500 in an hour, just playing a $10 flat dont pass bet. It's just P-7-O over and over and over...I dunno why it's so cold (or hot if you're playing the dont like me) but it is.

I went to the Jackson Rancheria Web site, but no mention of craps. They do indicate they now have roulette, but no description thereof. I e-mailed the Rancheria last February, and they said no craps, but check back in six months. I suppose they only recently added craps and haven't yet updated their Web site. Or, maybe they just don't want to advertise the fact that they have craps. I went to the Cache Creek Web site, and they do not mention craps, either, unless you download the "Gaming Guide". So, it's there, but it's not out front.

I sent an e-mail to Jackson again, asking about hours for their craps game. It's about an hour and a half from my house, over six times as long a drive as Cache Creek, so I would not go there regularly, but I would like to check it out. It sounds like it works out exactly the same as the no-longer-existing Colusa method, but more efficient, needing just one set of cards. The probabilities should be exactly the same as regular craps, so I wouldn't read anything into your experience with the table being "cold".
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

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I went to the Jackson Rancheria Web site, but no mention of craps. They do indicate they now have roulette, but no description thereof. I e-mailed the Rancheria last February, and they said no craps, but check back in six months. I suppose they only recently added craps and haven't yet updated their Web site. Or, maybe they just don't want to advertise the fact that they have craps. I went to the Cache Creek Web site, and they do not mention craps, either, unless you download the "Gaming Guide". So, it's there, but it's not out front.

I sent an e-mail to Jackson again, asking about hours for their craps game. It's about an hour and a half from my house, over six times as long a drive as Cache Creek, so I would not go there regularly, but I would like to check it out. It sounds like it works out exactly the same as the no-longer-existing Colusa method, but more efficient, needing just one set of cards. The probabilities should be exactly the same as regular craps, so I wouldn't read anything into your experience with the table being "cold".
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA

I know huh?! You'd think they'd advertise the crap out of that!
The Roulette is like the one at Chukchansi Gold (It's got a big hopper similar to live Keno/Bingo)
An hour an a half? It's JUST shy of that from me, and I go there weekly...(they have some good promotions).
The crap table is pretty much open 24/7 as far as I can tell, and it's CROWDED as much.
The probabilities ARE just the same..that's why I can't understand the coldness...even the pit/dealers realize it and jokingly say "Lay the 4/10 $400 a piece", and have a good time with it (of course at the same time, people betting the PASS line are getting their butt handed to them)
If Jackson had better comps/marketing offers, I'd definitely switch over from Reno to it...but they just DO NOT comp on their table games....however, come January I may play more their...