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teddys
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July 19th, 2010 at 3:30:43 PM permalink
I was bored at work, so was reading about the famous "briefcase bet" at Binion's Horseshoe. Here's the story:
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The old Binion’s Horseshoe Casino was a favorite among people who wanted the best odds in town without a lot of extras. One of our favorites stories from this casino was that of an adventurous gambler named William Lee Bergstrom from Austin, Texas.

Bergstrom had heard that Benny Binion’s latest gimmick was that the “sky’s the limit” when it came to maximum betting amounts at the Horseshoe. Bergstrom called to ask Binion if he would really accept a bet of a million dollars. Binion assured Bergstrom he would book a million dollar wager, so long as it was his first bet.

So one day in comes Bergstrom with $777,000 stuffed into a suitcase, plopped it down on the crap table (they never bothered to convert the money into chips) and told the dealer to put the entire amount on the Don’t Pass line. On her third roll, cinco dos, adios, an elderly woman sevened out. Bergstrom was handed an additional $777,000, then walked straight out the casino front door escorted by Benny’s son Ted.

Naturally, no fevered gambler can forget and forgo that kind of action for long, so Bergstrom returns and wins another $590,000 all-or-nothing bet; then he comes back and wins a similar $190,000 wager, then beats Binion’s again for an additional $90,000.
In November of 1984, Bergstrom finally had his one million dollar war chest to wager. He calls Binion’s to ask if he could once again bet the whole shebang, and Binion, already down over $600,000 to Bergstrom, backed up his often quoted phrase: “Your biggest bet is your first. After that, let it roll” and said yes.

Bergstrom returns with one million bones and tells a dealer to once again to put the whole stack of one million dollars on the Don’t Pass line. It was the come out roll, meaning, no point had been established, so on the initial roll, Bergstrom had only four ways to win (by a 2, 3 12 rolling) and eight ways to lose (if a 7 or 11 rolled). The lady roller tosses a six-one: a front line winner, back line skinner. He was done. Bergstrom’s $1,000,000 was gone.

Three months later at a Strip hotel Bergstrom committed suicide, although one version of the incident that I have read had him playing Russian roulette with his six-shooter and he drew the short bullet. Either way, he wagered his own life, and lost.



Nothwithstanding that Harrah's promotional literature leaves out the part about the loss and the suicide, I found it interesting that Bergstrom placed his money on the don't pass, the traditionally "dark side" of the layout. So comes my question: If Mark Cuban granted you $10,000 (the max limit for most table games in Las Vegas) and said, "It's yours, however, you must make at least one resolved even money casino bet with the full amount upon receipt," what would you choose? I would have to go with sporting event to get the most excitement for my money. If not, I would have to say Roulette (but not like that British moron who bet $170,000 on a double-zero wheel; I would use single-zero) or European-style Baccarat. Nothing beats those two games for a big rush, IMO.

(Assume odds are not offered on the craps table, the roulette wheel is single-zero, and you do not have additional funds to double or split in blackjack.)
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July 19th, 2010 at 3:49:51 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

I was bored at work (TAX LAW), so was reading about the famous "briefcase bet" at Binion's Horseshoe. Here's the story:

Nothwithstanding that Harrah's promotional literature leaves out the part about the loss and the suicide, I found it interesting that Bergstrom placed his money on the don't pass, the traditionally "dark side" of the layout. So comes my question: If Mark Cuban granted you $10,000 (the max limit for most table games in Las Vegas) and said, "It's yours, however, you must make at least one even money casino bet with the full amount," what would you choose? I would have to go with sporting event to get the most excitement for my money. If not, I would have to say Roulette (but not like that British moron who bet $170,000 on a double-zero wheel; I would use single-zero) or European-style Baccarat. Nothing beats those two games for a big rush, IMO.

(Assume odds are not offered on the craps table, the roulette wheel is single-zero, and you do not have additional funds to double or split in blackjack.)



It would definitely be Craps. I'd probably go crazy deciding if I should Pass or DP.
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July 19th, 2010 at 3:54:16 PM permalink
I'm with you - "I would have to go with sporting event to get the most excitement for my money. If not, I would have to say Roulette".
There is a flip side to that coin.
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July 19th, 2010 at 3:59:55 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

So comes my question: If Mark Cuban granted you $10,000 (the max limit for most table games in Las Vegas) and said, "It's yours, however, you must make at least one even money casino bet with the full amount," what would you choose?



Who?

I'd give the money to the sharpest day trader I could find and tell him to do his best. After a few years, I'd withdraw ten grand and, oh, place a pass line bet I guess. That would still be betting the full amount, right? If necessary it can be adjusted for inflation.

PS Is this Cuban guy related to Paul French?
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July 19th, 2010 at 4:07:43 PM permalink
Oh, most certainly a sporting event...either college BB or NFL. Park myself in a comfy seat in a nice sports book, order up a cold beer and enjoy.
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July 19th, 2010 at 4:12:18 PM permalink
Quote: ruascott

Oh, most certainly a sporting event...either college BB or NFL. Park myself in a comfy seat in a nice sports book, order up a cold beer and enjoy.



Thats the ticket!
There is a flip side to that coin.
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July 19th, 2010 at 4:13:19 PM permalink
I would choose a Banker bet in Baccarat. I enjoy that game... I would take my time, watch a shoe in play, and step in when I felt it was a good time. Not that waiting and watching changes anything...just a desire to feel like I have some control over a random outcome!!
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July 19th, 2010 at 4:29:21 PM permalink
If it were football season, I would bet any home underdog in the NFL. As my NFL page shows, the house edge flat betting home underdogs is 0.3%. Better yet, compare the lines to the offshore sports books to look for a soft line, like getting an extra half point, or laying less juice. If it were not football season, I would do the Banker bet in baccarat, which is what I voted for, because it isn't football season now.
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July 19th, 2010 at 4:33:07 PM permalink
Banker in baccarat. Do I have to rebet if there is a tie?
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July 19th, 2010 at 5:16:22 PM permalink
I didn't consider time of year until Wiz said so, but I will assume I could pick the time of year. I would take all day to handicap an NFL game and make the best bet. If I had to do so otherwise I'd go for craps, Pass Line. Mainly because I attempted craps dealer school and would like to give a craps dealer, well 3 dealers, a story to tell.
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July 19th, 2010 at 5:46:17 PM permalink
I voted for the sports bet. But I'm not sure if I could watch the game, or if this falls into the Nareed-Soccer betting situation. I guess maybe if I drank enough...
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July 19th, 2010 at 8:25:02 PM permalink
Lay the 10 on a comeout roll only.
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July 19th, 2010 at 9:28:25 PM permalink
This was not a hypothetical question for me. It happened. The best offer I ever got from a casino happened January 2009 from Monte Carlo. It included $1000 in free play. I was going to take it and play black jack, but when I got there, it turned out they were giving me ONE thousand dollar chip that was good for ONE play only. Lose, they take it, win, they take the chip, but give you the winnings. So what to do, what to do?

Long story short, I sat down at a baccarat table and started playing. After player won three times in a row, I put the chip out on banker. I won. I was never so happy to pay a baccarat commission in my life!
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July 20th, 2010 at 7:25:29 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Lay the 10 on a comeout roll only.


Mark Cuban is watching you from the surveillance room, and signals the dealer to call no action on your bet. He comes down to the floor, snatches the chips back from you and kicks you out on the street. "Even money bets only!" he snarls.
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July 20th, 2010 at 8:55:02 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

Mark Cuban is watching you from the surveillance room, and signals the dealer to call no action on your bet. He comes down to the floor, snatches the chips back from you and kicks you out on the street. "Even money bets only!" he snarls.



I don't think so, it pays less than even money.
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July 20th, 2010 at 8:59:09 AM permalink
How about a sucker double six, 30:1 a very longshot but a nice win or even better 1 number on roulette, if its free its easy come easy go but a 35:1 win would be great!
teddys
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July 20th, 2010 at 9:05:19 AM permalink
I give up ... go crazy, folks.

How about how far I can kick a piece of cheesecake?
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July 20th, 2010 at 9:40:53 AM permalink
Quote: NicksGamingStuff

How about a sucker double six, 30:1 a very longshot but a nice win or even better 1 number on roulette, if its free its easy come easy go but a 35:1 win would be great!



How about putting it on the pair+ in TCP, along with a $5 ante and a $5 play bets? I think a stright flush pays 40 to 1. Even better, half on pair+ and hals on six card bonus (as a hedge, because that bet plays even if you fold!)

On the other hand, you could dump it all on Keno :P
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July 20th, 2010 at 10:20:21 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

I give up ... go crazy, folks.

How about how far I can kick a piece of cheesecake?




I love it! Cuban can pick the line, and I'll bet the over/under straight up for my $10K:-)
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July 20th, 2010 at 10:30:32 AM permalink
banker in baccarat and its not even close. small house edge plus youre a favorite to win and no further decisions need to be made. its like the game was designed for making one large bet.
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July 20th, 2010 at 10:38:11 AM permalink
Quote: BigTip

This was not a hypothetical question for me. It happened. The best offer I ever got from a casino happened January 2009 from Monte Carlo. It included $1000 in free play. I was going to take it and play black jack, but when I got there, it turned out they were giving me ONE thousand dollar chip that was good for ONE play only. Lose, they take it, win, they take the chip, but give you the winnings. So what to do, what to do?

Long story short, I sat down at a baccarat table and started playing. After player won three times in a row, I put the chip out on banker. I won. I was never so happy to pay a baccarat commission in my life!



Question: Were you allowed to use the bet at the sportsbook?
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July 20th, 2010 at 10:45:59 AM permalink
if you can bet on sports, doing a parlay would be great. betting 3 team parlays is slightly better than betting 3 games straight up. in this case if you could bet it on a 3team parlay. assuming a 6:1 payout and each game is a coinflip, youd win $6000(1/8) or $750. which is more than making an even money bet which is less than half the value of the chip in EV.

for a 4team parlay, you would need to be getting greater than 12:1 for it to be better than a 3team parlay. getting 12:1 is the same EV as getting 6:1 on a 3team parlay with this freebet but with more variance.

X(1/16)=750
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September 22nd, 2010 at 11:08:09 AM permalink
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September 22nd, 2010 at 11:31:07 AM permalink
This is easy. I select a game where I can bet on both of two possible outcomes, then I beg, borrow, or steal $10,000 MORE dollars, and bet both sides of that proposition. If roulette, I peel off $300 from each bet and bet on 0/00. If craps, I peel off a similar amount and bet on 12. If sports, I make sure that both sides pay the same amount (not, for example, a baseball or hockey bet).

In this way, I pay a little extra vig, but safeguard a win of about $9,700.
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October 8th, 2010 at 3:09:28 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

This is easy. I select a game where I can bet on both of two possible outcomes, then I beg, borrow, or steal $10,000 MORE dollars, and bet both sides of that proposition. If roulette, I peel off $300 from each bet and bet on 0/00. If craps, I peel off a similar amount and bet on 12. If sports, I make sure that both sides pay the same amount (not, for example, a baseball or hockey bet).

In this way, I pay a little extra vig, but safeguard a win of about $9,700.



That was my first thought. In sports, though, after you bet $10k on one side, the line might move, especially on something like a college total, giving you a chance to win both bets. You would also have a few hours to come up with money to bet the opposite side
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October 8th, 2010 at 4:01:18 PM permalink
Easy decision. I very happily and very confidently bet it all on my Alma Mater, at HOME on the Blue. Any Boise State home game, regardless of the line.
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