Ken's Asian Roulette Method
Quote: boymimboI'll say this for mr jjj. He's back, baby!!!
But seriously, I would support any roulette system that relies on methodology that deals with past results. If a wheel is subject to bias at all, the only way to detect is through looking at previous spins. what is the harm in choosing numbers based on past results, after all, if a wheel is biased. Of course, most wheels are not biased.
Do I believe that it overcomes the 5.26 house advantage? Absolutely not.
Interesting point for the AP (the broken dream) crew. They say that almost every wheel has a little bias BUT do NOT use past results? Hmmm, a bit confusing.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjInteresting point for the AP (the broken dream) crew. They say that almost every wheel has a little bias BUT do NOT use past results? Hmmm, a bit confusing.
Ken
It's always "they". Who is "they"? If "they" are not here to argue with you, why are you arguing with "them" here?
Quote: MathExtremistIt's always "they". Who is "they"? If "they" are not here to argue with you, why are you arguing with "them" here?
They....are the AP (the broken dream) guys. I'm not arguing. I did ASK a great question.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjThey....are the AP (the broken dream) guys. I'm not arguing. I did ASK a great question.
Ken
It's funny, you make it sound like there's a "gang" on this message board, running around, spouting their AP adventures and successes. Is there? Obviously there are those that are patient/skilled enough to do some card counting @ BJ, but that seems to be the extent of the (majority of the) "AP Crew". I really haven't run across any serious/realistic threads on this message board discussing the validity and/or money-making opportunities of a biased wheel, dice control, or other AP methods.
I play craps. I take a break from that sometimes to play BJ and PaiGow Poker. I do venture to the roulette wheel occasionally - when I have a freeplay or whatever, it's a great way to resolve a bet quickly. Red or black, let it spin, get it over with!
Quote: mrjjjInteresting point for the AP (the broken dream) crew. They say that almost every wheel has a little bias BUT do NOT use past results? Hmmm, a bit confusing.
Ken
Except AP only ever means clocking the wheel/biased wheel to you, right?
It's like a recurring stuck record. You post, tell us how brave you are posting when people mock you, then ask some assinine question about choosing numbers.
As long as you get pleasure out of it, no harm, but it's not bravery that keeps you posting your ideas out there, even if you think it is.
(No don't ask me what method I play or games I play, I've answered that before as well).
Quote: MarieBicurieWhy would it take a person at least 2 months of watching you play to see you win? Why that long? Surely any gambler has winning streaks in less than 2 months of play. I'm not attacking you, it's an honest question.
My opinion is *NOT* just for me (you did not mention that), its for anyone. So if you watch someone for three days and all three days, they kick a**. Does that mean its a 'decent' method? I say no. If you watch someone for three days and all three days, they do not do well. Does that mean they have terrible methods? I say no. You need PLENTY of time as a witness, I say two months worth, in my opinion. To be FAIR, same thing with the AP (the broken dream) crew. If I watched Keyser/Herb/Snowman for ONE day and lets say he tanked big time. To be FAIR, thats not enough evidence for me to laugh my a** off.
Ken
Quote: thecesspitExcept AP only ever means clocking the wheel/biased wheel to you, right?
It's like a recurring stuck record. You post, tell us how brave you are posting when people mock you, then ask some assinine question about choosing numbers.
As long as you get pleasure out of it, no harm, but it's not bravery that keeps you posting your ideas out there, even if you think it is.
(No don't ask me what method I play or games I play, I've answered that before as well).
Is there a question in this? (lol) My POINT is, I could careless hotshot. A few will play or at least check into various methods posted FROM various different posters. So what? Why does this bother you so much? You can HIDE all you want. I know, I know, the big bad house advantage does NOT apply to YOU, only others. Good luck with that thinking (lol). BTW....my question regarding 'choosing numbers' (assuming we are talking about the same thing), the question is GREAT !!!! It puts people on the spot. The less replies I get, its actually good, you just dont see that. Past numbers mean 'nothing' but when I ask #########, all of a sudden, its a taboo topic (ROFL). Keyser himself (an AP guy) started a thread HERE regarding past numbers DO have meaning. Hmmmm
Ken
Quote: RPToroIt's funny, you make it sound like there's a "gang" on this message board, running around, spouting their AP adventures and successes. Is there? Obviously there are those that are patient/skilled enough to do some card counting @ BJ, but that seems to be the extent of the (majority of the) "AP Crew". I really haven't run across any serious/realistic threads on this message board discussing the validity and/or money-making opportunities of a biased wheel, dice control, or other AP methods.
I play craps. I take a break from that sometimes to play BJ and PaiGow Poker. I do venture to the roulette wheel occasionally - when I have a freeplay or whatever, it's a great way to resolve a bet quickly. Red or black, let it spin, get it over with!
Thats cool. So the games you listed, DO have some sort of a house advantage, correct?
Ken
Quote: mrjjjIs there a question in this? (lol) My POINT is, I could careless hotshot.
For man who doesn't careless, you care a lot. Just like Faith No More.
Quote:A few will play or at least check into various methods posted FROM various different posters. So what? Why does this bother you so much? You can HIDE all you want.
Hide? I'm not hiding at all. I'm right here. I don't post a roulette method because, gosh darn it, it's all a matter of choosing the variance you want to experience (something I've posted on several times, in fact in response to your own posts).
Quote:I know, I know, the big bad house advantage does NOT apply to YOU, only others. Good luck with that thinking (lol).
Way to miss the point, genius. I never claimed that at all. I said, other said, your system/method is as good as randomly choosing a number each time when it comes to house advantage. I see you make no claims what YOUR house advantage is. I am well aware that when I play Routlette, the house has 5.26% EV over me. When I play craps it has between 1-2% advantage, and when I play my preferred VP machine, around 0.5%. I've never claimed to be an advantage player (either by your definition, or the rest of the gambling world's definition of an advantage player).
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BTW....my question regarding 'choosing numbers' (assuming we are talking about the same thing), the question is GREAT !!!! It puts people on the spot. The less replies I get, its actually good, you just dont see that. Past numbers mean 'nothing' but when I ask #########, all of a sudden, its a taboo topic (ROFL). Keyser himself (an AP guy) started a thread HERE regarding past numbers DO have meaning. Hmmmm
No, it's a crap question as you can barely express so that it makes sense, the answer tells us nothing about anything, and you've never expressed a single opinion as to what YOUR answer is. It's not a taboo topic. It's a pointless topic, repeated parrot like by someone who really doesn't understand how little regard people view his system/methods and general contribution to, well, anything.
As for what Keyser thinks or doesn't think, I'll leave that to him and you to discuss.
Roulette systems are a dead end. If you study the Wizard of Odds main page you will understand why.
I'll track the last 200 spins. I'll pick 4 for me and 4 numbers for you. We will flat bet for the next 20 spins. This 'experiment' will be done (hypothetically) for 100 sessions.
I choose the last 4 numbers with three hits on it. Currently hot. What is the KEY word? Its not 'hot'. The key word is 'currently'.
I choose for YOU, 4 numbers with the fewest hits (cold). It SHOULD make no difference, correct? We'll see if Keyser chimes in (he won't). He told me a few months back that I at least had a brain for betting on hot numbers. Thats from an AP (the broken dream) guy. Why should it matter? All numbers under ANY circumstance, should all be equal, correct?
Ken
Quote: KeyserWhy don't you take up a game with a lower house edge? Have you ever considered taking up card counting instead? BJ has a much lower house edge.
Roulette systems are a dead end. If you study the Wizard of Odds main page you will understand why.[/q
I dont play roulette systems. BTW Herb, how is that gamblers fallacy coming along for you? (lol)
Quote: KeyserI don't know why you are so obsessed with roulette systems, but I highly recommend that you take up a game with a lower house edge.
Not sure what you're talking about sir? You'll never outlast me Farnsworth3.
Ken :)
Quote: MathExtremistEven without card counting, blackjack is still a far better bet than roulette. American roulette has the worst edge of the major non-proprietary casino games with the exception of keno or the prop bets in craps. But basically every other table game in the casino is a better bet than 00-roulette. If you can find a single-zero table with en prison or la partage (European / ROW style) that's one thing, but bucking a 5.26% edge is awfully hard.
No joking, really? So you ALSO LOSE, but just slower, correct?
Ken
Ken
We are just trying to help you lose less. Maybe you should consider talking to someone about what could be a gambling problem?
Regardless, 00 roulette is like a carnival game.
Quote: KeyserThis Mr. J guy is nuts.
Ok my turn. This Keyser/Herb/Snowman guy loves to ATTACK others. He takes but puts nothing back. He KILLED GG and VIP and blames others for his lack of being a real winner. Driving across the country because he heard through the grapevine that the #31 is hitting alot at some remote casino. (ROFL)
Pure comedy.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjNo......we'll try again.
I'll track the last 200 spins. I'll pick 4 for me and 4 numbers for you. We will flat bet for the next 20 spins. This 'experiment' will be done (hypothetically) for 100 sessions.
I choose the last 4 numbers with three hits on it. Currently hot. What is the KEY word? Its not 'hot'. The key word is 'currently'.
I choose for YOU, 4 numbers with the fewest hits (cold). It SHOULD make no difference, correct? We'll see if Keyser chimes in (he won't). He told me a few months back that I at least had a brain for betting on hot numbers. Thats from an AP (the broken dream) guy. Why should it matter? All numbers under ANY circumstance, should all be equal, correct?
Ken
????
Quote: mrjjjNo joking, really? So you ALSO LOSE, but just slower, correct?
Ken
suuuuure. And slower is better, right?
Let's turn it around. Say BJ had a .5% player advantage, and roulette had a 5.26% player advantage. Wouldn't you want to play the game that would get you richer faster?
Quote: mrjjjNo......we'll try again.
I'll track the last 200 spins. I'll pick 4 for me and 4 numbers for you. We will flat bet for the next 20 spins. This 'experiment' will be done (hypothetically) for 100 sessions.
I choose the last 4 numbers with three hits on it. Currently hot. What is the KEY word? Its not 'hot'. The key word is 'currently'.
I choose for YOU, 4 numbers with the fewest hits (cold). It SHOULD make no difference, correct? We'll see if Keyser chimes in (he won't). He told me a few months back that I at least had a brain for betting on hot numbers. Thats from an AP (the broken dream) guy. Why should it matter? All numbers under ANY circumstance, should all be equal, correct?
Ken
Yes, they're equal. This is extremely basic math. How many times to we have to explain it to you before you either get it or just stop talking about your roulette systems that rely on past numbers?
Quote: mrjjjNo......we'll try again.
I'll track the last 200 spins. I'll pick 4 for me and 4 numbers for you. We will flat bet for the next 20 spins. This 'experiment' will be done (hypothetically) for 100 sessions.
I choose the last 4 numbers with three hits on it. Currently hot. What is the KEY word? Its not 'hot'. The key word is 'currently'.
I choose for YOU, 4 numbers with the fewest hits (cold). It SHOULD make no difference, correct? We'll see if Keyser chimes in (he won't). He told me a few months back that I at least had a brain for betting on hot numbers. Thats from an AP (the broken dream) guy. Why should it matter? All numbers under ANY circumstance, should all be equal, correct?
Ken
Seeing at the test is hypothetical I don't see how is has meaning. Hypothetically my cold number hit and astounding 20 times. Looks like I win.
Either way, like your previous posts you never specify what the goal of this test is. If it is to see what numbers hit during 20 trials it's one thing, if it is to see what numbers have the most hits including the 3 hits on the hot numbers that is something else entirely.
Quote: mrjjjMy opinion is *NOT* just for me (you did not mention that), its for anyone.
My mistake, I thought your opinion was YOUR belief. I didn't realize that your opinion was also public opinion. I'm guessing a guy like Keyser speaks for no one, but you speak for everyone. Thankfully I am an adult and am capable of forming my own beliefs and opinions and don't need any help from you. I also think your opinion is terribly flawed.
All that aside I am still willing to give you a chance to prove me wrong. I have 2500 spins from a live roulette wheel. I will pick a stream of 200 spins for you to pick numbers, then I can show the next spins in streams of 20 if you'd like. Then we can see which numbers will be most profitable after each independent group of 20.
Quote: rdw4potussuuuuure. And slower is better, right?
Let's turn it around. Say BJ had a .5% player advantage, and roulette had a 5.26% player advantage. Wouldn't you want to play the game that would get you richer faster?
You failed to mention that on top of the high house edge roulette is one of the slowest games in the house in terms of payouts and overall game operation. If getting elbowed and shoved by stinky, drunk, smoke blowing strangers is my only form of socialization in life then I'd probably be pumping out roulette systems... oops, METHODS... too!
coolbreeze
at least I'm brave enough
(cough)
rofl
AP
method
i asked a great question
Keyser (he seems to have a real hard on for this guy - AKA herb/snowman... you get the idea)
broken dream
problem solved
lol
you can't have it both ways
still waiting for an answer
what's YOUR method/what game do YOU play
I bet you're blind drunk by the third page.
Quote: rdw4potussuuuuure. And slower is better, right?
Let's turn it around. Say BJ had a .5% player advantage, and roulette had a 5.26% player advantage. Wouldn't you want to play the game that would get you richer faster?
Buuuuttttt, still lose in the END, correct? Its not called a HOUSE ADVANTAGE for nothing.
Ken
Quote: TheNightflyHere's a new drinking game for WoV members. Search for mrjjj and select any thread he's begun. Grab a bottle and start reading. Take a drink every time mrjjj uses the following words or phrases:
coolbreeze
at least I'm brave enough
(cough)
rofl
AP
method
i asked a great question
Keyser (he seems to have a real hard on for this guy - AKA herb/snowman... you get the idea)
broken dream
problem solved
lol
you can't have it both ways
still waiting for an answer
I bet you're blind drunk by the third page.
.....and in the end, you still lose. Sucks to be you coolbreeze. Stuff that in your stocking. (lol)
Ken (This I agree with the most >> 'you can't have it both ways')
Quote: mrjjjBuuuuttttt, still lose in the END, correct? Its not called a HOUSE ADVANTAGE for nothing.
Ken
He said PLAYER advantage you donkey. Learn to read posts properly before you rant.
BTW, I'm still waiting for my answer.
Quote: mrjjjNo......we'll try again.
I'll track the last 200 spins. I'll pick 4 for me and 4 numbers for you. We will flat bet for the next 20 spins. This 'experiment' will be done (hypothetically) for 100 sessions.
I choose the last 4 numbers with three hits on it. Currently hot. What is the KEY word? Its not 'hot'. The key word is 'currently'.
I choose for YOU, 4 numbers with the fewest hits (cold). It SHOULD make no difference, correct? We'll see if Keyser chimes in (he won't). He told me a few months back that I at least had a brain for betting on hot numbers. Thats from an AP (the broken dream) guy. Why should it matter? All numbers under ANY circumstance, should all be equal, correct?
Ken
No, we'll try again... we have answered this question countless times (once we can finally understand it). And countless times you HAVE NEVER given your own answer on what you THINK.
Boring.
(I'll bet 19 to 38 that he comes back and tells me I can always ingore him if I don't like it and at least he tries and their's so many haters out there.)
Quote: mrjjj
Ken (This I agree with the most >> 'you can't have it both ways')
It seems like you think that YOU have it both ways? You seem to want to remind the rest of us that we'll still lose in the end. Of course, Roulette has a huge house edge, so you'll lose too. But you're only really here to brag about how far "up" you are. Odd...
Quote: TheNightflyHere's a new drinking game for WoV members. Search for mrjjj and select any thread he's begun. Grab a bottle and start reading. Take a drink every time mrjjj uses the following words or phrases:
coolbreeze
at least I'm brave enough
(cough)
rofl
AP
method
i asked a great question
Keyser (he seems to have a real hard on for this guy - AKA herb/snowman... you get the idea)
broken dream
problem solved
lol
you can't have it both ways
still waiting for an answer
what's YOUR method/what game do YOU play
I bet you're blind drunk by the third page.
And, if you can still lift a glass, dead by the 5th.
Quote: NareedHere's an idea: why don't we all agree to block Ken? That way he can post all he wants.
No, no! I'm sure the next reply will convince him.
Quote: rdw4potusAny game that actually involves skill...live poker, full-pay video poker, blackjack with counting and bet spreading...
You keep saying you've NEVER heard of these games. It's funny, because we ALL tell you this EVERY time you post your pointless roulette systems.
So would you say, with these SKILL games, most of you guys have to be pulling in 10-20K net per week? If no, why? Afterall, it is a 'skill' YOU POSSESS, correct?
Ken
Quote: boymimboI'll say this for mr jjj. He's back, baby!!!
But seriously, I would support any roulette system that relies on methodology that deals with past results. If a wheel is subject to bias at all, the only way to detect is through looking at previous spins. what is the harm in choosing numbers based on past results, after all, if a wheel is biased. Of course, most wheels are not biased.
Do I believe that it overcomes the 5.26 house advantage? Absolutely not.
Not really 'back'. I choose to post on the more important boards FIRST....this one is last on the list.
Ken
Quote: MathExtremistIt's always "they". Who is "they"? If "they" are not here to argue with you, why are you arguing with "them" here?
Isn't 'they' five words away from AP? I'm gonna go with 'they' as being the AP crew.
Ken
Quote: thecesspitExcept AP only ever means clocking the wheel/biased wheel to you, right?
It's like a recurring stuck record. You post, tell us how brave you are posting when people mock you, then ask some assinine question about choosing numbers.
As long as you get pleasure out of it, no harm, but it's not bravery that keeps you posting your ideas out there, even if you think it is.
(No don't ask me what method I play or games I play, I've answered that before as well).
"tell us how brave you are posting when people mock you" >>> I never said that. Please quote correctly. No, it does not only mean clocking the wheel/bias BUT that is what gets talked about THE MOST in reference to AP (cough).
Ken
Quote: KeyserMr J.,
We are just trying to help you lose less. Maybe you should consider talking to someone about what could be a gambling problem?
Regardless, 00 roulette is like a carnival game.
There is no Keyser in 'we' or 'us'. Sorry cupcake, you're on your own, again.
Ken
Quote: rdw4potussuuuuure. And slower is better, right?
Let's turn it around. Say BJ had a .5% player advantage, and roulette had a 5.26% player advantage. Wouldn't you want to play the game that would get you richer faster?
??? What? So we will BOTH lose but I'll do it before you and somehow thats bad for me but better for you? Hmmm, ok.
Ken
Quote: rdw4potusYes, they're equal. This is extremely basic math. How many times to we have to explain it to you before you either get it or just stop talking about your roulette systems that rely on past numbers?
100% WRONG on your end. Somebody else chimed in so I changed it up a little. Does not matter, I'm wrong anyways. 3 numbers instead of 4 AND its over 800 trials not 100. In the end, it should be around the same results? Wrong.
Ken
Quote: MarieBicurieSeeing at the test is hypothetical I don't see how is has meaning. Hypothetically my cold number hit and astounding 20 times. Looks like I win.
Either way, like your previous posts you never specify what the goal of this test is. If it is to see what numbers hit during 20 trials it's one thing, if it is to see what numbers have the most hits including the 3 hits on the hot numbers that is something else entirely.
My mistake, I thought your opinion was YOUR belief. I didn't realize that your opinion was also public opinion. I'm guessing a guy like Keyser speaks for no one, but you speak for everyone. Thankfully I am an adult and am capable of forming my own beliefs and opinions and don't need any help from you. I also think your opinion is terribly flawed.
All that aside I am still willing to give you a chance to prove me wrong. I have 2500 spins from a live roulette wheel. I will pick a stream of 200 spins for you to pick numbers, then I can show the next spins in streams of 20 if you'd like. Then we can see which numbers will be most profitable after each independent group of 20.
I would need someone who is 110% NON-bias against me. Sorry, that aint you. No disrespect intended.
Ken
Quote: MarieBicurieYou failed to mention that on top of the high house edge roulette is one of the slowest games in the house in terms of payouts and overall game operation. If getting elbowed and shoved by stinky, drunk, smoke blowing strangers is my only form of socialization in life then I'd probably be pumping out roulette systems... oops, METHODS... too!
That might be the only thing we agree on. The body odor and smoking etc., drives me nuts.
Ken
Quote: mrjjj"tell us how brave you are posting when people mock you" >>> I never said that. Please quote correctly.
No, I didn't say you said those words EXACTLY, but you have OFTEN said that you are prepared to put you ideas out regardless of the bashers. That's a common reply from you. I don't need to "quote correctly" when I am stylising your methods of reply. Nor am I about to go back through all your posts to find examples of you saying similar things.
Quote:No, it does not only mean clocking the wheel/bias BUT that is what gets talked about THE MOST in reference to AP (cough).
Previously you described Advantage Play as ONLY being related to biased wheels on roulette. I asked you several months ago what you meant by AP.
I'm glad you accept it contains more than that, because it does. Card counting on blackjack is advantage play, as is voucher surfing and taking advantage of promotions to gain an edge over the house. Wheel bias seems to me to be and old and much foresaken way of gaining an advantage as the house has found ways to make sure the wheel plays fair.
No-one here has ever called AP clocking the wheel. Thus confusion rains as you use words the ways others don't. Or you confuse this less important board with other's where there is much debate about clocking the wheel and AP.
Quote: mrjjjI would need someone who is 110% NON-bias against me. Sorry, that aint you. No disrespect intended.
Ken
How can someone be unbiased AGAINST someone? Either way, your test is flawed because you will only test under your terms and conditions. And then you go one to tell me that I'm biased?
Quote: mrjjjSo would you say, with these SKILL games, most of you guys have to be pulling in 10-20K net per week? If no, why? Afterall, it is a 'skill' YOU POSSESS, correct?
Ken
No. Why: Table limits and variance both exist.
Quote: mrjjjNo, it does not only mean clocking the wheel/bias BUT that is what gets talked about THE MOST in reference to AP (cough).
Ken
This is absolutely false. NOT AT ALL CORRECT, KEN. AP is usually discussed as holecarding table games, counting BJ, playing games like video poker that actually have a player advantage, and taking advantage of generous promotions.
Especially on this board, there is only one person who talks about AP as clocking the wheel/bias. Wanna guess who that person is? (cough) (lol) (*facepalm*)
