Winning at roulette
May 19th, 2025 at 3:24:56 AM
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I think I've come up with something and need feedback. It's about betting 2 dozens in roulette, doesn't matter which. It goes like this and this is european roulette not the US kind. Every bet is 3 spins and 2 dozens are bet on. For ease i will use $2 as a unit. The first, second and third spin is $2 on each of the 2 dozens. If at the end of the 3 spins you are even then repeat the 3 spins at $2.(but with a caveat, see caveat later) If you are at a loss then multiply that loss by 2.1 and divide by 3 to get the next 3 spin outlays. If you are in profit repeat the 3 spins at $2. Example using 1st and 2nd dozen throughout.
#1 35 loss -$4
#2 24 win -$2
#3 21 win even
Repeat the $2 per spin
#1 18 win +$2
#2 3 win +$4
#3 20 win +$6
Repeat the $2 spin
#1 32 loss -$4
#2 26 loss -$8
#3 28 loss -$12
12 x 2.1 = 25.2. Divide by 3 is 8.4. Next 3 spins are at $8.4 or whatever is rounded.
As far as I've tested if you get 3 of your 2 dozens in a row you will be in profit and you can start again at $2. I have tested to 9 spins of neither of my 2 dozens turning up which means in this case 9 3rd dozens which obviously is highly unlikely but even if it went to 12 which does raise the stakes somewhat, when you do strike 3 in a row you (WHICH YOU WILL) will be in profit. Below is the result
#1 loss -$4
#2 loss -$8
#3 loss -$12
#4 loss -$17 (stake is now $8.5 rounded on each dozen. We don't need to carry forward the $12 loss at #3 as we have accounted for that in the higher stake)
#5 loss -$34
#6 loss -$51
#7 loss -$71 (51 x 2.1 = $107. Divided by 3 is $35.5)
#8 loss -$142
#9 loss -$213
Nine losses in a row. Now we get a 12, 20 and 24 for 3 wins. Stake is now $149. 213 x 2.1 div by 3
#10 win +$149
#11 win +$149
# 12 win +$149
Total stakes on the 12 spins is $1170. Total return is $1341. You can test this on 12 losses and it will still be in profit on the 15th spin if you have 3 winners. Now this is extreme but proves it can work. The caveat is that if you are even at the end of 3 spins you continue with the stake on the last 3 spins. For example in the example above if you were even after #6 you would continue your next 3 spins at $51. ONCE YOU ARE IN PROFIT YOU REVERT BACK TO ORIGINAL STAKE. EG. $2. Comments??
#1 35 loss -$4
#2 24 win -$2
#3 21 win even
Repeat the $2 per spin
#1 18 win +$2
#2 3 win +$4
#3 20 win +$6
Repeat the $2 spin
#1 32 loss -$4
#2 26 loss -$8
#3 28 loss -$12
12 x 2.1 = 25.2. Divide by 3 is 8.4. Next 3 spins are at $8.4 or whatever is rounded.
As far as I've tested if you get 3 of your 2 dozens in a row you will be in profit and you can start again at $2. I have tested to 9 spins of neither of my 2 dozens turning up which means in this case 9 3rd dozens which obviously is highly unlikely but even if it went to 12 which does raise the stakes somewhat, when you do strike 3 in a row you (WHICH YOU WILL) will be in profit. Below is the result
#1 loss -$4
#2 loss -$8
#3 loss -$12
#4 loss -$17 (stake is now $8.5 rounded on each dozen. We don't need to carry forward the $12 loss at #3 as we have accounted for that in the higher stake)
#5 loss -$34
#6 loss -$51
#7 loss -$71 (51 x 2.1 = $107. Divided by 3 is $35.5)
#8 loss -$142
#9 loss -$213
Nine losses in a row. Now we get a 12, 20 and 24 for 3 wins. Stake is now $149. 213 x 2.1 div by 3
#10 win +$149
#11 win +$149
# 12 win +$149
Total stakes on the 12 spins is $1170. Total return is $1341. You can test this on 12 losses and it will still be in profit on the 15th spin if you have 3 winners. Now this is extreme but proves it can work. The caveat is that if you are even at the end of 3 spins you continue with the stake on the last 3 spins. For example in the example above if you were even after #6 you would continue your next 3 spins at $51. ONCE YOU ARE IN PROFIT YOU REVERT BACK TO ORIGINAL STAKE. EG. $2. Comments??
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May 19th, 2025 at 6:46:34 AM
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I can see two problems.
First, if one bet wins, and the other two lose, you end up losing half of your base bet (your "base bet" is what you are betting on each dozen). It doesn't look like you are taking those into account. Ignoring situations where you win two and lose the third, breaking even for that set of three, the "win one, lose two" situation occurs 60% of the time.
Probabilities on a single-zero wheel:
Three wins: about 11.5%
Two wins, one loss: about 36.5%
One win, two losses: about 38.5%
Three losses: about 13.5%
Second, which is the fundamental flaw in systems like this, are the three words "WHICH YOU WILL." There is no guarantee of this. True, the probability of a massive number of losses in a row is small, but the amount you end up losing as opposed to what you would win is proportionally larger.
How about an example where you include cases where you win one and lose two? What happens to your money then?
First, if one bet wins, and the other two lose, you end up losing half of your base bet (your "base bet" is what you are betting on each dozen). It doesn't look like you are taking those into account. Ignoring situations where you win two and lose the third, breaking even for that set of three, the "win one, lose two" situation occurs 60% of the time.
Probabilities on a single-zero wheel:
Three wins: about 11.5%
Two wins, one loss: about 36.5%
One win, two losses: about 38.5%
Three losses: about 13.5%
Second, which is the fundamental flaw in systems like this, are the three words "WHICH YOU WILL." There is no guarantee of this. True, the probability of a massive number of losses in a row is small, but the amount you end up losing as opposed to what you would win is proportionally larger.
How about an example where you include cases where you win one and lose two? What happens to your money then?
May 19th, 2025 at 11:50:59 AM
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It very much does matter which dozens or columns that you bet on. A column or a dozen has a tendency to sleep sometimes and they can sleep for over 20 spins. That means say, the second doesn't show up for 20 spins or more. If you insist on playing that way never bet the same two columns or dozens twice in a row. That way you're never going to get stuck just betting the first and second dozen when the first dozen goes to sleep for 14 spins. Because you lose twice as much as you win betting this way your losses can add up in a hurry.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 19th, 2025 at 4:06:16 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIt very much does matter which dozens or columns that you bet on. A column or a dozen has a tendency to sleep sometimes and they can sleep for over 20 spins. That means say, the second doesn't show up for 20 spins or more. If you insist on playing that way never bet the same two columns or dozens twice in a row. That way you're never going to get stuck just betting the first and second dozen when the first dozen goes to sleep for 14 spins. Because you lose twice as much as you win betting this way your losses can add up in a hurry.
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Also the best time to play the dozens is in the mornings when they wake up cranky.
They are also prone to afternoon naps.
If a dozens column does fall asleep you can usually wake it up by blasting a horn. Just let the dealer know in advance you are go to be making loud noises to wake up the columns
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
May 19th, 2025 at 4:29:42 PM
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Darkoz’es air horn idea is very good, but it might get you banned from the casino.
Another tactic you can do is bring some coffee to the table and pour it over (discreetly of course) any columns that fall asleep.
If the coffee doesn’t work then (very discreetly) sprinkle some crystal meth over the sleeping column.
Another tactic you can do is bring some coffee to the table and pour it over (discreetly of course) any columns that fall asleep.
If the coffee doesn’t work then (very discreetly) sprinkle some crystal meth over the sleeping column.
May 19th, 2025 at 4:42:01 PM
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Quote: BrickapotamusDarkoz’es air horn idea is very good, but it might get you banned from the casino.
Another tactic you can do is bring some coffee to the table and pour it over (discreetly of course) any columns that fall asleep.
If the coffee doesn’t work then (very discreetly) sprinkle some crystal meth over the sleeping column.
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Better yet, dip the chips in the meth and then place the laced chips in the sleeping columns.
They may get high doing this but then you just bet the high numbers ;)
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
May 19th, 2025 at 5:27:23 PM
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#1 12 win +$2
#2 25 loss -$2
#3 28 loss -$6
#4 2 win win +$4 (rounded)
#5 30 loss -$4
#6 31 loss -$12
#7 1 win +$8.5
#8 28 loss -$8.5
#9 31 loss -$25.5
#10 5 win +$18
#11 25 loss -$18
#12 36 loss -$54
#13 2 win +$38
#14 32 loss -$38
#15 33 loss -$114
#16 1 win +$80
#17 33 loss -$80
#18 32 loss -$240
#19 25 loss -$336
#20 28 loss -$672
#21 31 loss -$1008
#22 2 win +$706
#23 10 win +$1412
#24 15 win +$2118
I even threw a 3 loss in there. I get total out $6147. Total in $6805. 11% pot.
#2 25 loss -$2
#3 28 loss -$6
#4 2 win win +$4 (rounded)
#5 30 loss -$4
#6 31 loss -$12
#7 1 win +$8.5
#8 28 loss -$8.5
#9 31 loss -$25.5
#10 5 win +$18
#11 25 loss -$18
#12 36 loss -$54
#13 2 win +$38
#14 32 loss -$38
#15 33 loss -$114
#16 1 win +$80
#17 33 loss -$80
#18 32 loss -$240
#19 25 loss -$336
#20 28 loss -$672
#21 31 loss -$1008
#22 2 win +$706
#23 10 win +$1412
#24 15 win +$2118
I even threw a 3 loss in there. I get total out $6147. Total in $6805. 11% pot.
May 19th, 2025 at 6:23:17 PM
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First of all, I am assuming that whenever you win 1 and lose 2 in a set of 3, you multiply your bet by 2.1 just as if all three lost.
I did some simulating:
If you start out with a bet of 2 on each dozen, and you are allowed to increase your bets 10 times (as I calculate it, after 10 losses, the bet would be 3232 on each dozen, although this probably exceeds most table limits), then:
The probability of reaching the betting limit before a win is 1 in 1663
However, the average loss per session, from when you start until you either win or reach the limit, is 8.8.
Our old friend, "the small wins don't make up for the incredibly large loss."
You don't notice this because, if you ignore the cases where you win 2 and lose 1, you will win 3 about 2/3 of the time, so most of your wins will be really small.
I don't see where you come up with "total in 6805, total out 6147." You lost a total of 1459 in the first 21 spins combined, and made 2118 in the last three.
I did some simulating:
If you start out with a bet of 2 on each dozen, and you are allowed to increase your bets 10 times (as I calculate it, after 10 losses, the bet would be 3232 on each dozen, although this probably exceeds most table limits), then:
The probability of reaching the betting limit before a win is 1 in 1663
However, the average loss per session, from when you start until you either win or reach the limit, is 8.8.
Our old friend, "the small wins don't make up for the incredibly large loss."
You don't notice this because, if you ignore the cases where you win 2 and lose 1, you will win 3 about 2/3 of the time, so most of your wins will be really small.
I don't see where you come up with "total in 6805, total out 6147." You lost a total of 1459 in the first 21 spins combined, and made 2118 in the last three.
May 19th, 2025 at 6:45:50 PM
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Quote: justme1961#1 12 win +$2
#2 25 loss -$2
#3 28 loss -$6
#4 2 win win +$4 (rounded)
#5 30 loss -$4
#6 31 loss -$12
#7 1 win +$8.5
#8 28 loss -$8.5
#9 31 loss -$25.5
#10 5 win +$18
#11 25 loss -$18
#12 36 loss -$54
#13 2 win +$38
#14 32 loss -$38
#15 33 loss -$114
#16 1 win +$80
#17 33 loss -$80
#18 32 loss -$240
#19 25 loss -$336
#20 28 loss -$672
#21 31 loss -$1008
#22 2 win +$706
#23 10 win +$1412
#24 15 win +$2118
I even threw a 3 loss in there. I get total out $6147. Total in $6805. 11% pot.
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What you will get in playing this way is a series of losses that you will never recover from. You'll see.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 19th, 2025 at 7:10:10 PM
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Required Fields
Spin SET
Amount Odds FB Win Payout Profit / Loss IN OUT PROF/LOSS
4 1.5 Y $6.00 $2.00
4 1.5 N $- $(4.00)
4 1.5 N $- $(4.00) 6.0 12 -6.0
17 1.5 Y $25.50 $8.50
17 1.5 N $- $(17.00)
17 1.5 N $- $(17.00) 25.5 51 -25.5
36 1.5 Y $54.00 $18.00
36 1.5 N $- $(36.00)
36 1.5 N $- $(36.00) 54.0 108 -54.0
76 1.5 Y $114.00 $38.00
76 1.5 n $- $(76.00)
76 1.5 N $- $(76.00) 114.0 228 -114.0
160 1.5 Y $240.00 $80.00
160 1.5 N $- $(160.00)
160 1.5 N $- $(160.00) 240.0 480 -240.0
336 1.5 Y $504.00 $168.00
336 1.5 n $- $(336.00)
336 1.5 n $- $(336.00) 504.0 1008 -504.0
706 1.5 n $- $(706.00)
706 1.5 n $- $(706.00)
706 1.5 n $- $(706.00) 0.0 2118 -2118.0
2965 1.5 Y $4,447 $1,482
2965 1.5 Y $4,447 $1,482
2965 1.5 y $4,447 $1,482 13342 8895 4447.5
TOTALS >>> $14286 $12,900
I did make a blue so I did it in a spreadsheet. Above is the correct totals. I do admit that the numbers get big but with this example we only got 9 hits when the odds indicate it should be more like 15 or 16.
Spin SET
Amount Odds FB Win Payout Profit / Loss IN OUT PROF/LOSS
4 1.5 Y $6.00 $2.00
4 1.5 N $- $(4.00)
4 1.5 N $- $(4.00) 6.0 12 -6.0
17 1.5 Y $25.50 $8.50
17 1.5 N $- $(17.00)
17 1.5 N $- $(17.00) 25.5 51 -25.5
36 1.5 Y $54.00 $18.00
36 1.5 N $- $(36.00)
36 1.5 N $- $(36.00) 54.0 108 -54.0
76 1.5 Y $114.00 $38.00
76 1.5 n $- $(76.00)
76 1.5 N $- $(76.00) 114.0 228 -114.0
160 1.5 Y $240.00 $80.00
160 1.5 N $- $(160.00)
160 1.5 N $- $(160.00) 240.0 480 -240.0
336 1.5 Y $504.00 $168.00
336 1.5 n $- $(336.00)
336 1.5 n $- $(336.00) 504.0 1008 -504.0
706 1.5 n $- $(706.00)
706 1.5 n $- $(706.00)
706 1.5 n $- $(706.00) 0.0 2118 -2118.0
2965 1.5 Y $4,447 $1,482
2965 1.5 Y $4,447 $1,482
2965 1.5 y $4,447 $1,482 13342 8895 4447.5
TOTALS >>> $14286 $12,900
I did make a blue so I did it in a spreadsheet. Above is the correct totals. I do admit that the numbers get big but with this example we only got 9 hits when the odds indicate it should be more like 15 or 16.
May 19th, 2025 at 7:16:20 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIt very much does matter which dozens or columns that you bet on. A column or a dozen has a tendency to sleep sometimes and they can sleep for over 20 spins. That means say, the second doesn't show up for 20 spins or more. If you insist on playing that way never bet the same two columns or dozens twice in a row. That way you're never going to get stuck just betting the first and second dozen when the first dozen goes to sleep for 14 spins. Because you lose twice as much as you win betting this way your losses can add up in a hurry.
This is a really great point. When the second dozen does not hit for 20 spins in a row, the first or third dozen are great bets. At Las Vegas limits, it's worth about $175,000 every time this happens. This is why roulette is such a great game to earn millions on.
May 19th, 2025 at 7:59:26 PM
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Proper psychic preparation is key to the ability to accurately read the dynamic emanations of the roulette wheel horoscope.Quote: TomGQuote: EvenBobIt very much does matter which dozens or columns that you bet on. A column or a dozen has a tendency to sleep sometimes and they can sleep for over 20 spins. That means say, the second doesn't show up for 20 spins or more. If you insist on playing that way never bet the same two columns or dozens twice in a row. That way you're never going to get stuck just betting the first and second dozen when the first dozen goes to sleep for 14 spins. Because you lose twice as much as you win betting this way your losses can add up in a hurry.
This is a really great point. When the second dozen does not hit for 20 spins in a row, the first or third dozen are great bets. At Las Vegas limits, it's worth about $175,000 every time this happens. This is why roulette is such a great game to earn millions on.
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Firstly, get sixteen cats. Become deeply immersed in their collective spiritual & olfactory aura, so it becomes an inseparable part of you. Not fifteen. Not seventeen. Sixteen.
Everybody knows this.
Nothing to read here. Move along.
May 19th, 2025 at 8:38:32 PM
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That didn't post correctly. Can I insert a pic does anyone know?
May 19th, 2025 at 8:52:07 PM
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Quote: justme1961That didn't post correctly. Can I insert a pic does anyone know?
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Welcome to the forum.
During the system imposed new member probationary period, images may not be posted, and links are heavily restricted.
My magnanimity this day is limited to encouraging you to bet on the spaces that will win, and not taking extraordinary measures to bypass the anti-spam features that were installed by people smarter than me.
Best of luck!
May the cards fall in your favor.
May 20th, 2025 at 9:22:01 AM
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Quote: justme1961
#19 25 loss -$336
#20 28 loss -$672
#21 31 loss -$1008
#22 2 win +$706
#23 10 win +$1412
#24 15 win +$2118
I even threw a 3 loss in there. I get total out $6147. Total in $6805. 11% pot.
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Question: you appear to be betting 168 per dozen on bet 19, which makes sense, as you are betting 80 per dozen on #16-18, and 80 x 2.1 = 168.
However, your bet on #22 appears to be 706, which is 168 x 4.2 rounded up.
If your base bet is 353, which is what it is supposed to be, your three wins add up to 1059, but your losses up to that point add up to 1459.5, so you are 400.5 behind.
Or did I misunderstand the instructions, and you are supposed to increase the bet by 4.2x after a round of 3 losses, and 2.1x after a round of 2 losses and a win?
Doing it this way, I get these numbers:
The average win in a round that ends in 3 wins is 17.6728
The probability of losing 2 or 3 hands in a round 13 times before winning 3 in a round is "only" 1 in 6398.
Here's the catch: the average loss in a round that does not end in 3 wins is 217,334.38.
Overall, your expected average loss per round using this version is 16.295.
5 times out of 6, your profit will be 3, and if you do lose, the minimum loss is 37,446.
This also assumes that the table's maximum bet is high enough so you can play 13 rounds.
Remember my First Rule of Gambling, courtesy of Oscar Madison: There Is No Such Thing As A Sure Thing* - That's Why They Call It Gambling.
*Okay, besides Hulk Hogan and Mr. T winning the main event at the first WrestleMania, but I don't think anybody was taking bets on that back in 1985.
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May 20th, 2025 at 9:33:22 AM
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Quote: justme1961Required Fields
Spin SET
Amount Odds FB Win Payout Profit / Loss IN OUT PROF/LOSS
4 1.5 Y $6.00 $2.00
4 1.5 N $- $(4.00)
4 1.5 N $- $(4.00) 6.0 12 -6.0
17 1.5 Y $25.50 $8.50
17 1.5 N $- $(17.00)
17 1.5 N $- $(17.00) 25.5 51 -25.5
36 1.5 Y $54.00 $18.00
36 1.5 N $- $(36.00)
36 1.5 N $- $(36.00) 54.0 108 -54.0
76 1.5 Y $114.00 $38.00
76 1.5 n $- $(76.00)
76 1.5 N $- $(76.00) 114.0 228 -114.0
160 1.5 Y $240.00 $80.00
160 1.5 N $- $(160.00)
160 1.5 N $- $(160.00) 240.0 480 -240.0
336 1.5 Y $504.00 $168.00
336 1.5 n $- $(336.00)
336 1.5 n $- $(336.00) 504.0 1008 -504.0
706 1.5 n $- $(706.00)
706 1.5 n $- $(706.00)
706 1.5 n $- $(706.00) 0.0 2118 -2118.0
2965 1.5 Y $4,447 $1,482
2965 1.5 Y $4,447 $1,482
2965 1.5 y $4,447 $1,482 13342 8895 4447.5
TOTALS >>> $14286 $12,900
I did make a blue so I did it in a spreadsheet. Above is the correct totals. I do admit that the numbers get big but with this example we only got 9 hits when the odds indicate it should be more like 15 or 16.
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An uncharacteristic burst of magnanimity struck me. Quoted with a possibly useful formatting tag added.
May the cards fall in your favor.
May 20th, 2025 at 10:39:35 AM
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Quote: TomGQuote: EvenBobIt very much does matter which dozens or columns that you bet on. A column or a dozen has a tendency to sleep sometimes and they can sleep for over 20 spins. That means say, the second doesn't show up for 20 spins or more. If you insist on playing that way never bet the same two columns or dozens twice in a row. That way you're never going to get stuck just betting the first and second dozen when the first dozen goes to sleep for 14 spins. Because you lose twice as much as you win betting this way your losses can add up in a hurry.
This is a really great point. When the second dozen does not hit for 20 spins in a row, the first or third dozen are great bets. At Las Vegas limits, it's worth about $175,000 every time this happens. This is why roulette is such a great game to earn millions on.
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Too bad that it's over a short time after you notice it's happening. Maybe you should bet a million dollars on every spin, that's the ticket. People who play the dozens and columns never make money but you go right ahead.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 10:42:21 AM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyQuote: justme1961
#19 25 loss -$336
#20 28 loss -$672
#21 31 loss -$1008
#22 2 win +$706
#23 10 win +$1412
#24 15 win +$2118
I even threw a 3 loss in there. I get total out $6147. Total in $6805. 11% pot.
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Question: you appear to be betting 168 per dozen on bet 19, which makes sense, as you are betting 80 per dozen on #16-18, and 80 x 2.1 = 168.
However, your bet on #22 appears to be 706, which is 168 x 4.2 rounded up.
If your base bet is 353, which is what it is supposed to be, your three wins add up to 1059, but your losses up to that point add up to 1459.5, so you are 400.5 behind.
Or did I misunderstand the instructions, and you are supposed to increase the bet by 4.2x after a round of 3 losses, and 2.1x after a round of 2 losses and a win?
Doing it this way, I get these numbers:
The average win in a round that ends in 3 wins is 17.6728
The probability of losing 2 or 3 hands in a round 13 times before winning 3 in a round is "only" 1 in 6398.
Here's the catch: the average loss in a round that does not end in 3 wins is 217,334.38.
Overall, your expected average loss per round using this version is 16.295.
5 times out of 6, your profit will be 3, and if you do lose, the minimum loss is 37,446.
This also assumes that the table's maximum bet is high enough so you can play 13 rounds.
Remember my First Rule of Gambling, courtesy of Oscar Madison: There Is No Such Thing As A Sure Thing* - That's Why They Call It Gambling.
*Okay, besides Hulk Hogan and Mr. T winning the main event at the first WrestleMania, but I don't think anybody was taking bets on that back in 1985.
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This isn't true. Betting the Columns and dozens is a sure way to lose, you can take that to the bank.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 11:46:23 AM
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Quote: EvenBobToo bad that it's over a short time after you notice it's happening. Maybe you should bet a million dollars on every spin, that's the ticket. People who play the dozens and columns never make money but you go right ahead.
I bet the table max on any of the dozen bets whenever the chance it hits is greater than 1/3. Anyone who doesn't do that is a very stupid person. If they do play roulette, they will lose.
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This isn't true. Betting the Columns and dozens is a sure way to lose, you can take that to the bank.
Anyone who does not know when the odds of different bets hitting change is a loser at roulette. That is true for columns, dozens, even money bets, and inside numbers.
Anyone who does know when the odds of different bets hitting change but doesn't bet them can not win at roulette. That is true for columns, dozens, even money bets, and inside numbers.
May 20th, 2025 at 12:20:36 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
This isn't true. Betting the Columns and dozens is a sure way to lose, you can take that to the bank.
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Now this is the quote of the year not because of its truthfulness but because of who is saying it.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
May 20th, 2025 at 1:12:50 PM
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Quote: TomGQuote: EvenBobToo bad that it's over a short time after you notice it's happening. Maybe you should bet a million dollars on every spin, that's the ticket. People who play the dozens and columns never make money but you go right ahead.
I bet the table max on any of the dozen bets whenever the chance it hits is greater than 1/3. Anyone who doesn't do that is a very stupid person. If they do play roulette, they will lose.Quote: EvenBob
This isn't true. Betting the Columns and dozens is a sure way to lose, you can take that to the bank.
Anyone who does not know when the odds of different bets hitting change is a loser at roulette. That is true for columns, dozens, even money bets, and inside numbers.
Anyone who does know when the odds of different bets hitting change but doesn't bet them can not win at roulette. That is true for columns, dozens, even money bets, and inside numbers.
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On planet Earth the odds of roulette are always exactly the same. What planet are you playing on?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 1:15:12 PM
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Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBob
This isn't true. Betting the Columns and dozens is a sure way to lose, you can take that to the bank.
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Now this is the quote of the year not because of its truthfulness but because of who is saying it.
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I never said anything different. You can't consistently stay ahead on a bet where you win half as much as you lose.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 2:46:12 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: TomGQuote: EvenBobToo bad that it's over a short time after you notice it's happening. Maybe you should bet a million dollars on every spin, that's the ticket. People who play the dozens and columns never make money but you go right ahead.
I bet the table max on any of the dozen bets whenever the chance it hits is greater than 1/3. Anyone who doesn't do that is a very stupid person. If they do play roulette, they will lose.Quote: EvenBob
This isn't true. Betting the Columns and dozens is a sure way to lose, you can take that to the bank.
Anyone who does not know when the odds of different bets hitting change is a loser at roulette. That is true for columns, dozens, even money bets, and inside numbers.
Anyone who does know when the odds of different bets hitting change but doesn't bet them can not win at roulette. That is true for columns, dozens, even money bets, and inside numbers.
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On planet Earth the odds of roulette are always exactly the same. What planet are you playing on?
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Planet Hollywood. I seen him there Killing the Roulette, I asked him how he do it, He say Son
you'll have to wait for my book.
May 20th, 2025 at 3:15:07 PM
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Quote: rainmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: TomGQuote: EvenBobToo bad that it's over a short time after you notice it's happening. Maybe you should bet a million dollars on every spin, that's the ticket. People who play the dozens and columns never make money but you go right ahead.
I bet the table max on any of the dozen bets whenever the chance it hits is greater than 1/3. Anyone who doesn't do that is a very stupid person. If they do play roulette, they will lose.Quote: EvenBob
This isn't true. Betting the Columns and dozens is a sure way to lose, you can take that to the bank.
Anyone who does not know when the odds of different bets hitting change is a loser at roulette. That is true for columns, dozens, even money bets, and inside numbers.
Anyone who does know when the odds of different bets hitting change but doesn't bet them can not win at roulette. That is true for columns, dozens, even money bets, and inside numbers.
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On planet Earth the odds of roulette are always exactly the same. What planet are you playing on?
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Planet Hollywood. I seen him there Killing the Roulette, I asked him how he do it, He say Son
you'll have to wait for my book.
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Never been to PH and got no plans
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 4:20:23 PM
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Reminds me of the song:
"Sixteen cats
What do you get?
Thinking you can beat the game of roulette.
St. Peter won't you love me 'cause I can't go
Because I owe my soul to Bellagio."
apologies to Tennessee Ernie Ford
"Sixteen cats
What do you get?
Thinking you can beat the game of roulette.
St. Peter won't you love me 'cause I can't go
Because I owe my soul to Bellagio."
apologies to Tennessee Ernie Ford
May 20th, 2025 at 5:10:43 PM
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Quote: UsernameRemorseReminds me of the song:
"Sixteen cats
What do you get?
Thinking you can beat the game of roulette.
St. Peter won't you love me 'cause I can't go
Because I owe my soul to Bellagio."
apologies to Tennessee Ernie Ford
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There is thinking you can be a casino game and actually beating it. Thinking you can beat it and a dollar will get you a coffee at McDonald's.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 5:48:09 PM
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In all fairness, the price of a small coffee varies by location.
May the cards fall in your favor.
May 20th, 2025 at 5:52:22 PM
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Quote: EvenBobOn planet Earth the odds of roulette are always exactly the same. What planet are you playing on?
If the odds never changed, then everyone who plays will be losing 5.26% of all their wagers on double zero roulette (except for that one bet where they lose over 7%), including those who bet things other than columns and dozens. And any claim otherwise would only from people who are stupid and liars.
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I never said anything different. You can't consistently stay ahead on a bet where you win half as much as you lose.
I can, so long as the chance of winning each bet is at least 67%. And people who are so stupid that they can't even do things like multiply decimals will lose more at roulette than those of us who bet on the column and dozen.
May 20th, 2025 at 6:12:55 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
There is thinking you can be a casino game and actually beating it. Thinking you can beat it and a dollar will get you a coffee at McDonald's.
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Wheel clocking is a skill I have never investigated and practiced. But it looks like fun!
I'm thinking that a roulette dealer can be influenced by an interactive player to keep consistent parameters on the spins. Maybe with something like ASMR, or dancing, or verbal suggestion like Obi-Wan using The Force psychologically at a checkpoint. People will naturally match rhythms that they see or hear. So if you can make someone feel like your hand is their hand, if they are watching your hand their hand will follow.
May 20th, 2025 at 6:26:18 PM
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Quote: DieterIn all fairness, the price of a small coffee varies by location.
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I didn't know anybody was going to be taking it literally. Had I known you were so exacting I would have spent a couple hours researching the actual cost of a cup of coffee so I could be as accurate as humanly possible. But I don't really think that was the point I was trying to make. Odd that you think it was.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 6:31:13 PM
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Quote: TomGQuote: EvenBobOn planet Earth the odds of roulette are always exactly the same. What planet are you playing on?
If the odds never changed, then everyone who plays will be losing 5.26% of all their wagers on double zero roulette (except for that one bet where they lose over 7%), including those who bet things other than columns and dozens. And any claim otherwise would only from people who are stupid and liars.Quote: EvenBob
I never said anything different. You can't consistently stay ahead on a bet where you win half as much as you lose.
I can, so long as the chance of winning each bet is at least 67%. And people who are so stupid that they can't even do things like multiply decimals will lose more at roulette than those of us who bet on the column and dozen.
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Good luck in predicting when the odds are in your favor. I think there's a gambler's fallacy that covers that. Also betting on the columns and dozens is never 67% because of the zeros. Do you actually play the game? Seems unlikely. It doesn't matter anyway, when you lose twice as much as you win on a bet there will always be bad spots where you're going to get buried. Go ahead and try it put your money where your mouth is. If making money on the dozens and columns was easy guess who would be doing it. Everybody.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 6:34:06 PM
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Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBob
There is thinking you can be a casino game and actually beating it. Thinking you can beat it and a dollar will get you a coffee at McDonald's.
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Wheel clocking is a skill I have never investigated and practiced. But it looks like fun!
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Wheel clocking is a tremendous amount of work and involves a tremendous amount of risk and it really only worked well on the old wheels that were imperfect. The new wheels are almost flawless and there are people who clock them but they are few and far between.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 7:12:52 PM
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Quote: EvenBobGood luck in predicting when the odds are in your favor.
It takes an extremely high degree of stupidity to not know the odds on a roulette bet. It's hilarious that you think knowing those odds is about luck. That says quite a lot about you.
Quote: EvenBobI think there's a gambler's fallacy that covers that.
You are 100% wrong in your thinking. The gambler's fallacy has nothing to do with understanding the odds on a roulette table.
Quote: EvenBobAlso betting on the columns and dozens is never 67% because of the zeros.
If that is true, that a bet on a columns or dozen can never reach a 67% chance of winning, then those are no worse than any other bet.
Quote: EvenBobDo you actually play the game?
Yes.
Quote: EvenBobSeems unlikely. It doesn't matter anyway, when you lose twice as much as you win on a bet there will always be bad spots where you're going to get buried.
I don't bet the "bad spots". As I already said, if I am risking twice what the return is, so long as the probability of winning is 67% I will earn money. And that's what I do.
Quote: EvenBobGo ahead and try it put your money where your mouth is.
I do. Most everyday. Laying 2 to win 1 on some bets. It's pretty obvious you are projecting your own losing bets onto everyone else.
May 20th, 2025 at 7:41:11 PM
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Quote: TomGQuote: EvenBobGood luck in predicting when the odds are in your favor.
It takes an extremely high degree of stupidity to not know the odds on a roulette bet. It's hilarious that you think knowing those odds is about luck. That says quite a lot about you.Quote: EvenBobI think there's a gambler's fallacy that covers that.
You are 100% wrong in your thinking. The gambler's fallacy has nothing to do with understanding the odds on a roulette table.Quote: EvenBobAlso betting on the columns and dozens is never 67% because of the zeros.
If that is true, that a bet on a columns or dozen can never reach a 67% chance of winning, then those are no worse than any other bet.Quote: EvenBobDo you actually play the game?
Yes.Quote: EvenBobSeems unlikely. It doesn't matter anyway, when you lose twice as much as you win on a bet there will always be bad spots where you're going to get buried.
I don't bet the "bad spots". As I already said, if I am risking twice what the return is, so long as the probability of winning is 67% I will earn money. And that's what I do.Quote: EvenBobGo ahead and try it put your money where your mouth is.
I do. Most everyday. Laying 2 to win 1 on some bets. It's pretty obvious you are projecting your own losing bets onto everyone else.
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You don't bet the bad spots, you use your crystal ball to know when those bad spots are coming? Why didn't you just say so. And I have no losing bets on the dozens and columns because I do not play them. I only play the even chances. I don't care how good you are or how good you think you are making a bet where you lose twice as much as you win is always going to end up badly eventually. Why do you keep saying the probability of winning is 67% when it's not on a double zero wheel. Yesterday I saw 4 zeros show up in five spins, How would you have avoided that bad spot. You wouldn't have, and you would have spent the next hour just trying to get your losses back. That's like saying betting the even chances is a 50/50 bet when it never is in roulette. It's always less than 50%. It sounds like you're taking your lack of knowledge and somehow blaming it on me. It's not my fault you don't know what you're doing.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 7:58:01 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: DieterIn all fairness, the price of a small coffee varies by location.
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I didn't know anybody was going to be taking it literally. Had I known you were so exacting I would have spent a couple hours researching the actual cost of a cup of coffee so I could be as accurate as humanly possible. But I don't really think that was the point I was trying to make. Odd that you think it was.
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It's not.
Two bucks will usually get you a coffee. One might not.
May the cards fall in your favor.
May 20th, 2025 at 8:03:13 PM
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Quote: EvenBobYou don't bet the bad spots, you use your crystal ball to know when those bad spots are coming?
I know the odds for every spin on a roulette wheel because of long division, not a crystal ball. It sounds like you are admitting that you lack the capacity to understand the odds. That's hilarious
Quote: EvenBobAnd I have no losing bets on the dozens and columns because I do not play them.
You make other bets that are equally bad, leading to losses of 2.66% or 5.26% depending on number of zeros
Quote: EvenBobWhy do you keep saying the probability of winning is 67% when it's not on a double zero wheel.
I never once said that. I said that if the probability of winning is 67% or greater, I will lay 2 to win 1 and win money doing so. Your claims that it is not possible to win money laying 2 to win 1 is wrong and that lack of understanding basic math is why you lose money at roulette.
Quote: EvenBobYesterday I saw 4 zeros show up in five spins, How would you have avoided that bad spot.
If the probability of the zero winning was greater than 1/37, I would have been max betting the zero and would have won over $1 million in those five spins. If the probability was 1/37 or less I would have been betting something else and still winning. Which is exactly what I was doing both yesterday and today.
Quote: EvenBobYou wouldn't have, and you would have spent the next hour just trying to get your losses back.
This is so obviously you just projecting your own issues.
Quote: EvenBobThat's like saying betting the even chances is a 50/50 bet when it never is in roulette. It's always less than 50%
Which is why you lose money making those bets.
Quote: EvenBobIt sounds like you're taking your lack of knowledge and somehow blaming it on me. It's not my fault you don't know what you're doing.
I don't blame you because I know long division and therefore know the odds of every roulette bet. You've admitted that is too far beyond what you can do.
May 20th, 2025 at 9:12:23 PM
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Quote: TomGQuote: EvenBobWhy do you keep saying the probability of winning is 67% when it's not on a double zero wheel.
I never once said that. I said that if the probability of winning is 67% or greater, I will lay 2 to win 1 and win money doing so. Your claims that it is not possible to win money laying 2 to win 1 is wrong and that lack of understanding basic math is why you lose money at roulette.
You can't do it in the long run and that's all that counts. Who cares if you can win once in awhile on the dozens and columns. Big deal, people do it all the time. Doing it session after session after session after session, you will lose and you will never recover your losses if you keep going. Case closed. The only way to win consistently is on the even chances.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 10:04:29 PM
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Quote: EvenBobYou can't do it in the long run and that's all that counts.
You are 100% wrong. Because I can and I do. Because I can do things like long division and multiply decimals, therefore I know when I have an advantage. You lack the ability to do that, which makes it so obvious that you are just projecting your own losing onto others.
For example:
Quote: EvenBobThe only way to win consistently is on the even chances.
People who are too stupid to understand that both the 2:1 bets and 1:1 bets lose the same 5.26% do not win. Like how stupid does someone have to be unable to put 18 ÷ 38 into a calculator?
May 20th, 2025 at 10:23:33 PM
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Quote: TomGQuote: EvenBobYou can't do it in the long run and that's all that counts.
You are 100% wrong. Because I can and I do. Because I can do things like long division and multiply decimals, therefore I know when I have an advantage. You lack the ability to do that, which makes it so obvious that you are just projecting your own losing onto others.
For example:Quote: EvenBobThe only way to win consistently is on the even chances.
People who are too stupid to understand that both the 2:1 bets and 1:1 bets lose the same 5.26% do not win. Like how stupid does someone have to be unable to put 18 ÷ 38 into a calculator?
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I see what you're doing, yawn.. Keep rambling your nonsensical blather I'm not entertained anymore.
Doing just a small amount of research on your threads and posts on this forum, you've never mentioned roulette until now. What you mostly talk about is sports betting and the stock market. But now you claim you're a roulette expert and you play and win all the time. My my my, was an odd turn of events. You kept your roulette prowess a deep dark secret from us. Lol
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
May 20th, 2025 at 10:33:03 PM
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Quote: justme1961I think I've come up with something and need feedback.
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Replying only as a courtesy to the OP.
Your system will make a little bit of profit for each of many many sessions, with no problem at all..... Until one day you will make a massive and unrecoverable loss.
You can use a spreadsheet, so calculate the following..... Calculate without assuming that something "will never happen"
For your own fixed bankroll figure, the one that you will take with you and potentially risk all of, calculate the probability of doubling it before losing it.
I'll give you a clue: The probability of losing it will comfortably exceed the probability of doubling it.
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/8/#post1370
Oh..... to simplify your spreadsheet,
Probability of a 'win' where you place an equal amount on each of two columns is 2x12/37=0.648648648649
Probability of a 'loss' where you place an equal amount on each of two columns is 1-(2x12/37)=0.351351351351
Probability of 'an unthinkably bad streak' where you lose X spins in a row is (1-(2x12/37))^x
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
May 21st, 2025 at 12:23:48 AM
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Clocking wheels has nothing to do with imperfect wheels<<<that's tracking/playing biased wheels. The "old wheels" were easier to CLOCK because of the deeper frets made the balls drop and stick much quicker into the predicted section of the wheel. An imperfect wheel, if unnoticed by a clocker, might make his job harder since it would be less likely the ball would land in the area he clocked it to.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBob
There is thinking you can be a casino game and actually beating it. Thinking you can beat it and a dollar will get you a coffee at McDonald's.
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Wheel clocking is a skill I have never investigated and practiced. But it looks like fun!
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Wheel clocking is a tremendous amount of work and involves a tremendous amount of risk and it really only worked well on the old wheels that were imperfect. The new wheels are almost flawless and there are people who clock them but they are few and far between.
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Regardless, clocking and biased wheel play are different things.
Aside from the math involved in calculating your advantage.
Wheel Clocking requires a specialized visual skill, timing, or consistency of speeds, whereas biased wheel play mostly only requires tracking the numbers in order to identify a biased(imperfect) wheel.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 21st, 2025 at 12:26:48 AM
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And that one day might be your first and last day.Quote: OnceDearUntil one day you will make a massive and unrecoverable loss.Quote: justme1961
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 21st, 2025 at 3:55:35 AM
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Don, bet #22 is $1008 X 2.1/3 = 706
If there is a loss at the end of each 3rd spin this is multiplied by 2.1
If there is a loss at the end of each 3rd spin this is multiplied by 2.1
May 21st, 2025 at 4:04:24 AM
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Agreed. Just sits there and takes potshots. And his attempts at humour are pretty lame in my opinion. Obviously got nothing better to do.
May 21st, 2025 at 4:05:53 AM
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Well they're not even are they because of the greens.
May 21st, 2025 at 5:58:42 AM
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Quote: justme1961Don, bet #22 is $1008 X 2.1/3 = 706
If there is a loss at the end of each 3rd spin this is multiplied by 2.1
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In that case, what part of this am I doing wrong:
All bets are on the first and second dozens
First three bets are 2 on each dozen
Spin #1 - 36: -4
Spin #2 - 1: -2
Spin #3 - 0: -6
Since two spins lost, the next three bets are 4 on each dozen
Spin #4 - 32: -14 (that's -6 from the first three, and -8 on this spin)
Spin #5 - 32 again: -22
Spin #6 - 00: -30
Three spins lost, so the next three bets are 8.5 (which is what you use) on each dozen:
Spin #7 - 7: -21.5 (that's -30 after the first six, and +8.5 on this spin)
Spin #8 - 11: -13
Spin #9 - 21: -4.5
That's three wins, but you are behind 4.5 at this point.
This is what made me think that you had made a mistake in your description. There are a lot of cases like this where you will be behind after a run of 3 wins.
If you change your system so you multiply your bet by 4.2 after 3 losses (and 2.1 after 2), then a run of 3 wins will always return a profit, assuming you are allowed to bet enough to cover it. One of the arguments we have here is, "Why do betting limits exist?"; I am in the "for one, it's to prevent Martingale and other similar systems (like this one) from 'working' " camp. Without restrictions on time and bankroll, Martingale works 100% of the time.
Again, if I implemented it wrong, then what are the bets supposed to be, if the first three spins have 2 losses and the second three have 3 losses?
This uses a betting progression 1, 2, 4, 8, 17, 36, 76, 160, 336, 706, 1483, 3114, 6539
Note that each number is how much is bet on each dozen
The first column is the result; the second is the profit from using your stated method; the third is the profit if you multiply the bet by 4.2 instead of 2.1 after a round of 3 losses
L2 represents a 2-loss group of 3; L3 represents a 3-loss group; W represents a 3-win group that results in a bet reset
For example, "L2 L3 W" means:
1. Start with a bet of 1 on each dozen; 2 of the bets lost, so that's +1 for the win and -4 for the two losses, for a total of -3
2. Increase the bet to 2; all 3 bets lost, so that's another -12, bringing your total to -15
3. Increase the bet to 4; all 3 bets won, so that's +12, bringing your total to -3
| Result | Profit with original method | Profit with revised method |
|---|---|---|
| W | 3 | 3 |
| L2 W | 3 | 3 |
| L3 W | 0 | 9 |
| L2 L2 W | 3 | 3 |
| L3 L2 W | 0 | 12 |
| L2 L3 W | -3 | 12 |
| L3 L3 W | -6 | 30 |
| L2 L2 L2 W | 3 | 3 |
| L3 L2 L2 W | 0 | 15 |
| L2 L3 L2 W | -3 | 15 |
| L3 L3 L2 W | -6 | 36 |
| L2 L2 L3 W | -9 | 18 |
| L3 L2 L3 W | -12 | 54 |
| L2 L3 L3 W | -15 | 45 |
| L3 L3 L3 W | -18 | 111 |
| L2 L2 L2 L2 W | 6 | 6 |
| L3 L2 L2 L2 W | 3 | 21 |
| L2 L3 L2 L2 W | 0 | 21 |
| L3 L3 L2 L2 W | -3 | 51 |
| L2 L2 L3 L2 W | -6 | 24 |
| L3 L2 L3 L2 W | -9 | 69 |
| L2 L3 L3 L2 W | -12 | 57 |
| L3 L3 L3 L2 W | -15 | 138 |
| L2 L2 L2 L3 W | -18 | 33 |
| L3 L2 L2 L3 W | -21 | 99 |
| L2 L3 L2 L3 W | -24 | 84 |
| L3 L3 L2 L3 W | -27 | 204 |
| L2 L2 L3 L3 W | -30 | 81 |
| L3 L2 L3 L3 W | -33 | 225 |
| L2 L3 L3 L3 W | -36 | 183 |
| L3 L3 L3 L3 W | -39 | 447 |
| L2 L2 L2 L2 L2 W | 12 | 12 |
| L3 L2 L2 L2 L2 W | 9 | 36 |
| L2 L3 L2 L2 L2 W | 6 | 33 |
| L3 L3 L2 L2 L2 W | 3 | 81 |
| L2 L2 L3 L2 L2 W | 0 | 36 |
| L3 L2 L3 L2 L2 W | -3 | 99 |
| L2 L3 L3 L2 L2 W | -6 | 81 |
| L3 L3 L3 L2 L2 W | -9 | 198 |
| L2 L2 L2 L3 L2 W | -12 | 42 |
| L3 L2 L2 L3 L2 W | -15 | 129 |
| L2 L3 L2 L3 L2 W | -18 | 108 |
| L3 L3 L2 L3 L2 W | -21 | 261 |
| L2 L2 L3 L3 L2 W | -24 | 102 |
| L3 L2 L3 L3 L2 W | -27 | 285 |
| L2 L3 L3 L3 L2 W | -30 | 231 |
| L3 L3 L3 L3 L2 W | -33 | 564 |
| L2 L2 L2 L2 L3 W | -39 | 69 |
| L3 L2 L2 L2 L3 W | -42 | 195 |
| L2 L3 L2 L2 L3 W | -45 | 168 |
| L3 L3 L2 L2 L3 W | -48 | 402 |
| L2 L2 L3 L2 L3 W | -51 | 156 |
| L3 L2 L3 L2 L3 W | -54 | 426 |
| L2 L3 L3 L2 L3 W | -57 | 348 |
| L3 L3 L3 L2 L3 W | -60 | 843 |
| L2 L2 L2 L3 L3 W | -63 | 156 |
| L3 L2 L2 L3 L3 W | -66 | 450 |
| L2 L3 L2 L3 L3 W | -69 | 375 |
| L3 L3 L2 L3 L3 W | -72 | 903 |
| L2 L2 L3 L3 L3 W | -75 | 342 |
| L3 L2 L3 L3 L3 W | -78 | 939 |
| L2 L3 L3 L3 L3 W | -81 | 762 |
| L3 L3 L3 L3 L3 W | -84 | 1,857 |
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May 21st, 2025 at 6:54:22 AM
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Quote: UsernameRemorseReminds me of the song:
"Sixteen cats
What do you get?
Thinking you can beat the game of roulette.
St. Peter won't you love don't you call me 'cause I can't go
Because I owe my soul to Bellagio."
apologies to Tennessee Ernie Ford Merle Travis
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FYP, which I really enjoyed!
Admittedly, Tennessee Ernie Ford has the best-known recording of "Sixteen Tons", but the late, great Merle Travis actually wrote it.
Dog Hand
May 21st, 2025 at 7:22:19 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfAnd that one day might be your first and last day.Quote: OnceDearUntil one day you will make a massive and unrecoverable loss.Quote: justme1961
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Edit for formatting. (/q!)
Ceramic chips used to be made out of mud.
Modern composites are synthetic crud.
Wheels and mud, rolling bones...
Your system is weak, the game math is strong.
May the cards fall in your favor.
May 21st, 2025 at 9:50:32 AM
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I could bet $30 on the 1st & 2nd dozen each and use a progression if one or the other hits more than one time in a row. Hitting 4 times in a row on one dozen pays over 10X the $30 bet, hitting 5 times in a row pays over 20X the $30 bet, hitting 8 times in a row pays nearly $2,000. I lose 1/2 a bet on my first semi-press but I'm back to even with the flat bet win on the 2nd win.
May 21st, 2025 at 10:04:58 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfClocking wheels has nothing to do with imperfect wheels<<<that's tracking/playing biased wheels. The "old wheels" were easier to CLOCK because of the deeper frets made the balls drop and stick much quicker into the predicted section of the wheel. An imperfect wheel, if unnoticed by a clocker, might make his job harder since it would be less likely the ball would land in the area he clocked it to.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBob
There is thinking you can be a casino game and actually beating it. Thinking you can beat it and a dollar will get you a coffee at McDonald's.
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Wheel clocking is a skill I have never investigated and practiced. But it looks like fun!
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Wheel clocking is a tremendous amount of work and involves a tremendous amount of risk and it really only worked well on the old wheels that were imperfect. The new wheels are almost flawless and there are people who clock them but they are few and far between.
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Regardless, clocking and biased wheel play are different things.
Aside from the math involved in calculating your advantage.
Wheel Clocking requires a specialized visual skill, timing, or consistency of speeds, whereas biased wheel play mostly only requires tracking the numbers in order to identify a biased(imperfect) wheel.
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Clicking clocking clucking whatever it's called I never paid any attention to it. To me it's a desperate way to play there are far better ways.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
