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johnnydepz
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March 7th, 2024 at 8:31:09 AM permalink
Like I did in my previous thread, I am here just to share an experience. I have been playing baccarat for a few years. And have been trying to find a way to beat the game for a long time. I've made over $500k and have lost over $500k (not including recent success). So I have been through the worst with this game. From using progressions, to waiting for triggers, card counting. Nothing has ever worked. Why? Why has always been my question......because when you bet player you have less than a total expectancy of 45% win rate and when betting banker, you have less than a total expectancy of 46% win rate. I know my math explanation is lame, but, basically, what I'm trying to say, is that it is a negative expectancy game. Which is not like I'm saying anything new....but I'm just saying.....you are betting into something that has odds against you every single hand. Doesn't matter what count you use, what trigger you use. If you are using any kind of betting pattern? You will lose. Ten players does not mean a banker will come. Ten bankers does not mean a player will come. The win expectancy is totally individual each and every single hand. And it is not effected enough based on what cards came out, or what cards are left, to get any higher percentage than the two I said above. Over infinity? However, banker wins 50% of the time. No one will live that long to see that. And, even if you did, you would STILL be behind, because of the banker commission.

If you want to beat baccarat? You HAVE to use flat betting. I have created something that is quite remarkable. It's hard to explain, but, the only way I can explain it, is that I am basically, fighting fire with fire. Baccarat is totally random. And, in that randomness, you have less than a 50% chance of hitting banker or player, over the long run. You have a better chance of hitting head or tails 50% of the time over the long run when you flip a coin. This is true because of the way baccarat is designed. Even 50/50, can't be beaten by progressions. HOWEVER.......baccarat uses cards. Cards, since they have a declining element, cannot be 100% random. Being that there are certain rules that create certain outcomes (stands, naturals, and then 6 card draws), a truly random element CAN BEAT a pseudo random element. This may not make sense to most, but, this is what I have created with my partner (my wife) to beat baccarat. We have, over the past 8 months, tested and tried a very effective flat betting method that has been generating us 30-80 units a day with a max draw down of 4-5 units at any given time. We've gone through many periods of winning over 20 hands in a row. I have never seen anything like that. And these win streaks are not on streaks of banker of player or chops, or twos, or threes....no, these are just streaks of winning hands period.

What is the secret to our success without giving away the system? Our bet selection is random. Our trigger is random. And our wagers are random. And all three of those change randomly. For random reasons. Nothing we do, has anything to do with banker, player, or the game itself. Yes. 100%, true randomness. And we bet every single hand. On paper? We're up over 1000s of units. In real live play? We're up a fortune. I'm not here to give away my system, sell my system,...I'm only here to share an experience to encourage certain things and share advice.

First, STAY RANDOM. Don't fall prey to patterns, simple triggers, banker/player tracking.

Second, don't ever use progressions. If you have to use a progression? Your system is a losing system.

Third, if you have to use "triggers" that make you wait for certain "conditions"? Then your system is a loser. You have to be able to bet on every single hand. This way? Your system will face all hand combinations.

Fourth, which is the most important one, TEST YOUR METHOD THOROUGHLY. Just because you beat a few hundred shoes that you recorded from your local casino, does not mean your system is a winner. Test your method against a simulator. A real baccarat random (rng) simulator. If your system, cannot stay positive, winning over 1000 units, flat betting, against a simulator? Then it will not work. Please people....this is VERY important advice. Too many times, people are in such a rush to use a system that has won fairly often enough in the casino. Listen to me when I say this......even if your system beats the casino shoes for a whole year....they can still lose. Here's why. Random results, force your "system" to face more combinations, much sooner. It's like, putting the house edge in your face all the time. You can be in the casino, and not see enough hand combinations to really see the randomness of the game and the winning rate of the house edge for a long time. Due to weak shuffles, overlaps/clumps in the cards, ..etc. etc. This never happens with simulations. Simulations are harder to beat than live cards because they pit you up against the long term odds much more sooner than live cards. So please, test your method THOROUGHLY against simulations for a long time. And set a number. If your system can BEAT a random baccarat simulator and put you in the positive 1000 or more units? Flat betting? Then you have beaten baccarat.

I am willing to answer any questions. I have lost so much money playing baccarat before discovering what I have discovered and I have finally made all of my money back plus TONS more. I want people to win. But, I cannot reveal my system to anyone, for obvious reasons.

Using my advice, anyone can create their own winning system!

BEEN TRYING TO FIND HIM OR FIGURE THIS OUT
Zcore13
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March 7th, 2024 at 8:53:33 AM permalink
Funny story. Thank you for the morning laugh.


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I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
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March 7th, 2024 at 9:22:45 AM permalink
Quote: johnnydepz

But, I cannot reveal my system to anyone, for obvious reasons.



You already did.... you said you flat bet randomly on every single hand. By definition there can't be a "system" if you're betting randomly on every hand.
ChumpChange
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March 7th, 2024 at 9:47:15 AM permalink
I'll try to run my beginner's luck up to 2500 units at the tables then. I'll have 100 buy-ins ready once that's done and my risk of ruin will be nil.
With $2,000 buy-ins at a $50 baccarat table, I'd need to win up to $200K to meet that minimum, then double it to advance to the $100 tables.
OnceDear
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March 7th, 2024 at 9:47:41 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Quote: johnnydepz

But, I cannot reveal my system to anyone, for obvious reasons.



You already did.... you said you flat bet randomly on every single hand. By definition there can't be a "system" if you're betting randomly on every hand.
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Said in less words than I could

Could be as simple as wagering x units every hand on the roll of a dice.

Well, news just in......

If you use a progression, you will tend to do much better or much worse than the house edge. Flat betting takes you closer to the house edge. Zero surprise there

Flat betting every hand you will tend to find yourself close to EV for more games.

It's still -EV: You have done zero to dent the house edge. If you say you are in profit, well lucky you. You have NOTHING of value, except maybe a forgiving wife.

Lost $500,000 won >$500,000 Whoopedy-do

I'm out.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
johnnydepz
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March 7th, 2024 at 10:21:07 AM permalink
brother i copied it from LETSWIN forum i was asking if anyone knows who is
unJon
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March 7th, 2024 at 10:43:49 AM permalink
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brother i copied it from LETSWIN forum i was asking if anyone knows who is
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That’s even funnier.

He sounds like the opposite of EvenBob who makes non random guesses or random outcomes to win.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
OnceDear
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March 7th, 2024 at 11:08:14 AM permalink
Quote: johnnydepz

brother i copied it from LETSWIN forum i was asking if anyone knows who is
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LOL. Sorry, not sorry. Your bad for not indicating the quotes.

You just went up 1000% in my estimation. But your tolerant wife dropped by 10% :o) *

Except, why still aspire to find the [insert expletive] joker? Nothing good could come of finding him.


* Not an insult as I was unknowingly judging Letswin's wife highly on her $500,000 loss tolerance
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March 7th, 2024 at 1:47:26 PM permalink
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BEEN TRYING TO FIND HIM OR FIGURE THIS OUT
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He was nuked seven years ago..

"I think your reply above indicates you're hiding behind semantics rather than being factually able to rebut that you're using this forum to find customers (not "team members"). Accordingly, letswin is banned for system selling. You may appeal to the Wizard if you wish." - BBB

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/26183-baccarat-team/
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