I'm Headed To Laughlin Tonight For Another Training Session
Quote: DJTeddyBear"Martingale" ?
Shame on you for invoking that term. Martingale implies successive losses with an eventual win.
Suspending Jerry is a win for all of us, with no option for Jerry to gain from the loss.
And shame on you, a math wiz, for not using the correct MATH term: Geometric Progression!
On the other hand, at what point does the, ahem, martingale exceed the house limit? There are plenty of people looking forward to JL's lifetime ban.
A Martingale and a geometric progression based on successive powers of 2 are, in fact, the same thing. But the real difference is, Martingaling Jerry is a winning strategy, and JerrySinger's Martingale is a losing one.
I suppose that when JL gets to a ban of, say, 64 weeks, the point will be moot--he'll go find some other board to infect. In the interim, I get the distinct impression that the Wiz will have a hair-trigger re Jerry, so he might get to that 64-week point sooner than we think.
Quote: mkl654321If only it wasn't 1 billion degrees Fahrenheit in the summer.
You're exagerating, it feels much warmer than that.
Quote: EvenBobYou're exagerating, it feels much warmer than that.
Then surely he would be understating, not exagerating.
EDIT or according to UrbanDictionary.com Undergerrating or Dezaggerating.
Quote: CroupierThen surely he would be understating, not exagerating.
He's exagerating it towards the lower end.
Quote: EvenBobHe's exagerating it towards the lower end.
I always agreed with thefreedictionary.com that exagerate meant:
1. To represent as greater than is actually the case; overstate: exaggerate the size of the enemy force; exaggerated his own role in the episode.
2. To enlarge or increase to an abnormal degree: thick lenses that exaggerated the size of her eye
so by those definitions I dont think you could exagerate something to the lower end. Im not deliberately trying to be an ass. I was originally trying to be funny and that really didnt work out.
Quote: CroupierIm not deliberately trying to be an ass. I was originally trying to be funny and that really didnt work out.
You're exagerating for effect.
Quote: EvenBobYou're exagerating for effect.
Touche Sir, Touche.
Jerry might be a bit surprised at the reaction he's getting here over his training & gambling sessions, but for me none of it's unusual to see on a forum. If there's one thing that's always remained constant over the years it's how I learned that winners do not mind other winners, while losers utterly despise them and it's always out of jealousy. Always. You see anyone else here posting about big wins, let alone even playing higher than nickle vp or $5 craps? I see that JL posted a picture of his $12k win--or at least had help from Chris which was nice of him. But I'm not so sure that was a good idea at this point. I've done that numerous times in Gaming Today and on various forums in the last decade to see if it silences the critics who claimed I didn't really even play my strategy, nevermind win. Yet all it ever accomplishes is make them then ask for copies of the W2G's--which they were hoping not to get--but when that was done they kept peeling down the onion, eventually saying "Well he probably Did hit that winner, but I'll bet he just poured it all back into the machines and go home with nothing." That's not what I train people to do, they all know it, but it never ends anyway. Losers hate winners.
EvenBob, is it that lonely where you are that you're so put back by Jerry's success lately? If he supports what I advise and you don't like it because all my winning over the years has been based on negative EV games, wise advice says to take it up with your shrink. I read his nasty post about you somewhere here and why he was suspended again, and then he told me about your f-bomb laden PM to him about how infuriated you were that he humiliated you. It's like he kicked you in the groin and you responded with jumping up and down and screaming. So if you don't like it then you might think about reversing your strange policy of sending private messages to people with things you're afraid to say in public. Oh yes, your burning question on why I get attention from the people in the High Limit Slots room at the Aquarius. I've hit around $300k worth of handpays there since 2008 (most in 2008), I'm ahead of them at least $85k net, and I've never given any of them even a one dollar tip--a money-saving point I gave to JL. Some of those folks are still there and they don't like it. But I simply don't care because as long as I'm allowed to play there they have to play by the gaming rules, even if it results in slow pays and dirty looks. I've got the patience of a Chinaman man standing in queue for a lift in a Hong Kong highrise. Players will never win if they ever feel they're intimidated by a casino in any way--or if they deny it.
Quote: RobSinger
EvenBob, is it that lonely where you are that you're so put back by Jerry's success lately? If he supports what I advise and you don't like it because all my winning over the years has been based on negative EV games, wise advice says to take it up with your shrink. I read his nasty post about you somewhere here and why he was suspended again, and then he told me about your f-bomb laden PM to him about how infuriated you were that he humiliated you. It's like he kicked you in the groin and you responded with jumping up and down and screaming. So if you don't like it then you might think about reversing your strange policy of sending private messages to people with things you're afraid to say in public.
Wizard, isn't this a violation of rule #4, albeit hearsay.
Quote: matildaWizard, isn't this a violation of rule #4, albeit hearsay.
Take it a step farther - Except for a post on 10/6 and one on 10/30, "RobSinger" only posts when Jerry is suspended. Isn't having multiple SNs grounds for permanent expulsion?
Quote: matildaWizard, isn't this a violation of rule #4, albeit hearsay.
What is the intent of this rule, anyway? From what I've seen implied in some posts, PMs are used to send nasty messages that wouldn't be allowed on the forum. Seems like the sender gets a free shot at the recipient while maintaining a reasonable public face.
Given that most here are anonymous, I'm surprised there is a presumption of confidentiality.
Quote: RobSingerI'm going to make a few comments here before going over to MathExtremist's thread that he wrote me about and asked for a response on.
Jerry might be a bit surprised at the reaction he's getting here over his training & gambling sessions, but for me none of it's unusual to see on a forum. If there's one thing that's always remained constant over the years it's how I learned that winners do not mind other winners, while losers utterly despise them and it's always out of jealousy. Always.
This little nugget of nonsensical horsecrap is straight from the JerryLogan spewbook, and this post, together with the rather COINCIDENTAL appearance of Singer at the same time of Jerry's banishment (not for the first time), reinforces the growing contention that both RS and JL are the same person.
So get lost, "Rob Singer". We don't want you, we don't need you, and most importantly, you're barred from this site for the next two weeks, soon to be permanently.
And since you mentioned it, nobody's "jealous" of you. Why would anyone be jealous of a fraud? As far as being "jealous" of winners in general--people win at gambling all the time. But just because some clown hits a royal doesn't mean he isn't fifty grand in the hole even so. Nothing to be jealous of, or, for that matter, to give a crap about. If JL is a real person, I hope he wins. If RS is a real person, he's making up his stories about winning. That's all I care about.
Quote: RobSingerIt's like he kicked you in the groin and you responded with jumping up and down and screaming.
I usually respond with falling over and groaning...
Quote: MathExtremistI usually respond with falling over and groaning...
There is one element of truth to what Singer said (itty bitty little specks of truth can often be found in many of his writings, albeit concealed by a miasmal muck of gibberish): talking to JerryLogan/RobSinger often produces sensations remarkably similar to being kicked in the groin.
Quote: RobSingerOh yes, your burning question on why I get attention from the people in the High Limit Slots room at the Aquarius.
What was the attention? What are the details? What did they do? You're not dealing with casino neophytes, we know what goes on. So please enlighten us, Jerry, (er, Singer) what happened?
Quote: EvenBobWhat was the attention? What are the details? What did they do? You're not dealing with casino neophytes, we know what goes on. So please enlighten us, Jerry, (er, Singer) what happened?
I've calculated that Singer is worth about +$300/hr to the casinos. I'm not surprised that he gets attention. They probably speed up the cocktail service, offer him chocolate-covered strawberries, and give him a "VIP card".
Quote: rdw4potusTake it a step farther - Except for a post on 10/6 and one on 10/30, "RobSinger" only posts when Jerry is suspended. Isn't having multiple SNs grounds for permanent expulsion?
I'll go thru these two threads' posts one at a time, and then if anyone wants anything further in the form or a bet, a challenge or a debate, e-mail me. Two days watching some people make fools of themselves is about all I like to see anymore.
rdw4, you can't be a very analytical person so I'll go easy on you. "Except for" might make a little sense, EXCEPT FOR the fact that I've only posted today and one other 2 day appearance since. Then you would probably want to check and see when Jerry got suspended and when I told MathExtremist what day I would likely be able to come on again. Here's a little hint--ME's post was made on Dec. 26th, after I responded to him via e-mail. Now when was it that Jerry suspended...? Oh no! As a final embarrassment, if JL & I WERE the same, please explain why he & I couldn't post at the same time.
Sorry--try again.
Quote: EvenBobWhat was the attention? What are the details? What did they do? You're not dealing with casino neophytes, we know what goes on. So please enlighten us, Jerry, (er, Singer) what happened?
Good to see you're feeling better.
My first comment is, from what I've seen on this forum in general, most people belong only because of the wealth of information that flows from the host--and not because they're any sort of casino brutes. I've searched for sportsbettors and Jerry seems to be one of the highest if not THE highest roller that I could find....and he doesn't even do that regularly. Looking at the craps posts I see mostly people who play for fun and with measely bankrolls (if you can call them that). Video poker is a joke here. Everyone's an expert across the board, yet I'm hard pressed to find anything higher than quarter players. No wonder the envy shows up as JL posts his big hits, just as I told him it would.
Now you want details. Get ready for a lesson, oh Mr. non-casino neophyte. High limit slot rooms for regular players are dens of suspicion, bewilderment, and false comraderie between the workers and the player. My reputation in there is one of a fairly big winner as well as a miserable stiff when it comes to tips. My picture's been in the paper and on TV for years, so everyone knows not only what I accomplish there but everything I have ever written about myself that's been published. To some I'm a low to mid-level gaming celebrity who talks the talks and walks the walk. That attracts attention, as infuriating as it may be to some. But they also never give up. Cocktail waitresses are always called in immediately for service when they see me or someone I'm with pouring in the hundies, and there is no limit to what I can order or how often. I do tip them very well. Handpays are another story. They make me wait, wait some more, and usually I just check e-mails or sports scores or the Internet. They stare, they talk, and they eventually come over and do what they're paid to do. And they always leave disappointed. If looks could kill then i'd be dead and buried right then and there.
How's that for DETAILS.
Not responding to an already wounded MKL654321ZERO. He seems to be having a tough enough time keeping his reputation in tact after making those racist and bigoted remarks elsewhere.
Quote: RobSingerHandpays are another story. They make me wait, wait some more, and usually I just check e-mails or sports scores or the Internet. They stare, they talk, and they eventually come over and do what they're paid to do. And they always leave disappointed. If looks could kill then i'd be dead and buried right then and there.
Is this a joke? Slow handpays and dirty looks is the extent of all the 'extensive negative attention' Jerry said you got? LOL! I got news for ya bub, everybody waits and waits and WAITS for handpays, I saw one take over an hour. As far as the dirty looks go, its meaningless. I see casino suits give people dirty looks all the time. Thats it? Thats all you got? Are you sure somebody didn't key your car or insult your heritage or give you a wedgie? Now that would be negative attention.
Quote: EvenBobIs this a joke? Slow handpays and dirty looks is the extent of all the 'extensive negative attention' Jerry said you got? LOL! I got news for ya bub, everybody waits and waits and WAITS for handpays, I saw one take over an hour. As far as the dirty looks go, its meaningless. I see casino suits give people dirty looks all the time. Thats it? Thats all you got? Are you sure somebody didn't key your car or insult your heritage or give you a wedgie? Now that would be negative attention.
I agree. That "attention" that is apparently attributed to Rob's "fame" and "reputation" is no different than the same thing experienced by all hand paid players everywhere all the time - except that us quarter-playing fleas have the common courtesy to tip the minimum-wage-earning employees that give us our handpays. Mr. Singer really must not spend much time in the casino (or pay much attention) if that description was supposed to highlight the special attention that he receives...
Quote: rdw4potusMr. Singer really must not spend much time in the casino (or pay much attention) if that description was supposed to highlight the special attention that he receives...
I thought the same thing, its something a newbie would complain about. "They made me wait for a handpay!" Poor baby, join the crowd. My wife just told me she's waited 90min several times, it happens in every casino every day.
Quote: EvenBobI thought the same thing, its something a newbie would complain about. "They made me wait for a handpay!" Poor baby, join the crowd. My wife just told me she's waited 90min several times, it happens in every casino every day.
I get the impression that 'your wife' has no clue what a high limit slot room is like. She likely had to wait that long because she was out there playing with all the rest of the low-rolling/dime-a-dozen weenies. They probably got all mixed up because they couldn't tell one babyboomer complainer from the next.
Quote: RobSingerI get the impression that 'your wife' has no clue what a high limit slot room is like. She likely had to wait that long because she was out there playing with all the rest of the low-rolling/dime-a-dozen weenies. They probably got all mixed up because they couldn't tell one babyboomer complainer from the next.
In fact, my wife plays in the high limit rooms all time. She's waited there just like everywhere else in the casino. Geez, Jerry (er, Singer), not arrogant, are you... If there's a 'weenie' here it sure isn't my wife.
1. I was watching TV tonight. During one of the commercial breaks, there was a Miller Lite ad from the series with guys doing stupid things and ordering tasteless lite beer (it was the one with the skinny jeans). Anyway...That made me think of JL and his "blah, blah, blah...sessions...blah blah...paytables don't matter" argument. OF COURSE you take 5 minutes to find the machine with the best paytable. It's a $50 difference on each full house dealt in Jerry's $10 8/5 BP. What if a full house comes during your session? RS preaches a $100 session win limit, and you're really not going to take 5 minutes to find a game that pays $50 more for a full house? That difference is half of RS's session win goal.
2. I wonder how much time it takes to cycle the machine through different games at different denominations. Wouldn't it be better to find one (preferably +EV) game and play at one denomination or at least limit changes to denomination and not game-type? Don't the game-type changes induce strategy errors that could be avoided by limiting sessions to one game-type? If I could limit myself to 10/7 DB or 10/6 DDB or FPDW, what'd be the argument against that?
3. I wonder how much the time spent waiting for the handpays hurts RS/JL. Assume for a minute that the ARTT isn't crap, and actually creates a net increase in bankroll over a lifetime. Jerry was playing $10 denominated BP, for $50/hand. Any hand 4kind or better requires a handpay at that level. Handpays take time, and those hands aren't all that rare. Would it be better to play a $5 or even a $1 denominated game and sacrifice winsize for wincount?
Quote: rdw4potusWould it be better to play a $5 or even a $1 denominated game and sacrifice winsize for wincount?
But that wouldn't make for a good 'story'. They want to able to say they got lots of negative attention, because they consistently win. The suckers read that and drool, they want to be 'dangerous' winners like Jerry and Singer, where can they get the lessons.
Quote: RobSingerI'll go thru these two threads' posts one at a time, and then if anyone wants anything further in the form or a bet, a challenge or a debate, e-mail me. Two days watching some people make fools of themselves is about all I like to see anymore.
rdw4, you can't be a very analytical person so I'll go easy on you. "Except for" might make a little sense, EXCEPT FOR the fact that I've only posted today and one other 2 day appearance since. Then you would probably want to check and see when Jerry got suspended and when I told MathExtremist what day I would likely be able to come on again. Here's a little hint--ME's post was made on Dec. 26th, after I responded to him via e-mail. Now when was it that Jerry suspended...? Oh no! As a final embarrassment, if JL & I WERE the same, please explain why he & I couldn't post at the same time.
Sorry--try again.
Here's the real reason to strongly suspect JL and RS are one and the same--their writing styles are virtually identical. Of course, one persona is a racist, bigoted, antagonistic douchebag, and the other is a snake-oil salesman who specializes in obfuscation and prevarication, but the giveaway is that underneath both personae, they sound almost the same:
1. They each accuse those who disagree with them of various personal failings and faults, rather than directly address the arguments presented to them. Which is a sound tactic, given that they usually CANNOT answer those arguments.
2. They each continually bleat that those who are skeptical of RS's claims are "jealous" or "envious" or some such nonsense.
3. They BOTH make the exact same grammatical, spelling, and syntactical errors. This is the biggest giveaway for me--but then, I correct hundreds of papers every week (many of which are much better written than anything RS/JL ever post), and I check for such indicators constantly, primarily to detect plagiarism. (I'm not going to disclose exactly what those errors are until JL gets kicked off for good, for obvious reasons.)
4. Neither one seems to understand basic mathematics, and their deficiencies in that regard seem to be virtually identical.
5. The almost creepy Jerrylove JL has for RS doesn't make much sense, given JL's intense skepticism about and hatred for just about everything and everyone on the planet, unless that Jerrylove is actually RS-self love--much more plausible that it's narcissism rather than admiration, in other words.
6. It IS significant that neither posts at the same time as the other.
7. They both exhibit moderate intelligence, albeit with the same failures of logic in their professed mental processes.
I suppose we'll never KNOW one way or the other (and certainly, he/"they" would never admit it), but there's strong circumstantial evidence for JL and RS being Bruce Wayne and Batman.
Quote: RobSingerNot responding to an already wounded MKL654321ZERO. He seems to be having a tough enough time keeping his reputation in tact after making those racist and bigoted remarks elsewhere.
Nice try, Jerry. My reputation here is in a LOT better shape than yours.
And "intact" is one word. You make this sort of spelling error quite a bit, Jerry, I've noticed. Another dead giveaway.
Quote: RobSingerI get the impression that 'your wife' has no clue what a high limit slot room is like. She likely had to wait that long because she was out there playing with all the rest of the low-rolling/dime-a-dozen weenies. They probably got all mixed up because they couldn't tell one babyboomer complainer from the next.
Are you saying, Jerry, that YOU are a BIG weenie?
Quote: mkl654321I suppose we'll never KNOW one way or the other (and certainly, he/"they" would never admit it), but there's strong circumstantial evidence for JL
and RS being Bruce Wayne and Batman.
I think it's more Jeklyll/Hyde. Except the dear Dr. Jekyll is finding it harder and harder to resist changing into Hyde.
Quote: rxwineI think it's more Jeklyll/Hyde. Except the dear Dr. Jekyll is finding it harder and harder to resist changing into Hyde.
I forget--in the book, was Jekyll's change originally voluntary, or not?
Quote: RobSingerI get the impression that 'your wife' has no clue what a high limit slot room is like. She likely had to wait that long because she was out there playing with all the rest of the low-rolling/dime-a-dozen weenies. They probably got all mixed up because they couldn't tell one babyboomer complainer from the next.
Violation rule #1 -- No personal insults. Insulting the wife of a forum member is even worse than insulting the forum member himself. Any gentleman knows you don't ever diss a man's wife or mother unless you're prepared to physically defend yourself. You could have made this point without implying Bob's wife is a weenie and complainer.
Lest you think I'm being unfair, I recall I suspended mkl for insulting Jerry's wife a while back. It isn't in the suspension list because I can't find the particulars.
Since this is your first offense, five days, the same as I gave Martin recently. I hope to see an apology to Bob when you return.
Quote: mkl654321Here's the real reason to strongly suspect JL and RS are one and the same-
They are one and the same, thats why I've been calling him Jerry. They write the same, insult the same, take offense in the same way, and there is always that undercurrent of nastiness just below the surface that Jerry always has. They won't answer questions, try and get out of questions by turning it around on the questioner. I think the real Singer does post sometimes, but today its definitely been Jerry. The sarcasm is what nailed him.
Quote: thecesspitHere's my guess : Rob Singer is allowing Jerry to post using his account.
Maybe. Even if they're different people, Jerry created rob's account in october when they were dining together. Jerry thus has Rob's credentials. But, I think I *gulp* agree with MKL. Unless Jerry and Rob grew up together and were educated together, something is fishy. The idioms are the same, the syntax is the same, the attacks are the same...
I'm not quite sure why Rob hasn't been suspended for attacking Bob's wife, among other things. In the span of this evening alone, he's attacked:
me- sure
MKL- who doesn't at times?
bob- uncalled for, but oookkkkkk
bob's wife - *channeling my inner John Goodman* OVER THE LINE!
He's also broken rule #4 pretty obviously when he re-referenced the PM from Bob that Jerry "shared with him" when Jerry got his suspension
*edit: apology to the Wiz. My post got buried on my desktop. i started writing it hours ago, and just pushed send now. In the interim, Rob WAS suspended. Kudos:-) *
Quote: rdw4potus
I'm not quite sure why Rob hasn't been suspended for attacking Bob's wife, among other things. In the span of this evening alone, he's attacked:
He just has.
Quote: Wizard
Violation rule #1 -- No personal insults. Insulting the wife of a forum member is even worse than insulting the forum member himself. Any gentleman knows you don't ever diss a man's wife or mother unless you're prepared to physically defend yourself. You could have made this point without implying Bob's wife is a weenie and complainer.
Lest you think I'm being unfair, I recall I suspended mkl for insulting Jerry's wife a while back. It isn't in the suspension list because I can't find the particulars.
Since this is your first offense, five days, the same as I gave Martin recently. I hope to see an apology to Bob when you return.
EDIT - I see you found it already. ah well.
Quote: DeMangoI am curious as to any attempt by the Wiz to see if JL is indeed RS.
I did indeed attempt that. However, the IP address do not exactly match. Both from Arizona, but they already admit that. If they are the same person, then I think the two identities post from different computers.
Quote: WizardI did indeed attempt that. However, the IP address do not exactly match. Both from Arizona, but they already admit that. If they are the same person, then I think the two identities post from different computers.
I suggest you check the times of posting. I think that JL posts from work on one computer and JL as RS posts ONLY during non-work hours or weekends or holidays from home on another computer.
