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December 29th, 2010 at 9:44:00 PM permalink
Yes that's right. Singer wanted to go overnight tonight because that's the only time he has this week and no way I'm passing up the chance. He was going to pick me up in his sports car, but because of the rain here and possible snow on I-40 we're taking my all-wheel drive and I'm headed out to get him and take off now.

My understanding is I'm going to learn how to play one of his other strategies tonight called ARTT (not sure what it stands for). I have $12k with me in cash and I'm ready. I started this thread for the purpose of doing a report when I get back tomorrow, so this is where it'll be at, hearts & flowers or blood & guts. These last weeks of this year I've been pretty lucky winning my sports betting and my first training sessions. Let's end the year on the same note!
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December 29th, 2010 at 9:54:19 PM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

He was going to pick me up in his sports car!



Wow, what a disappointment. Its not every day you get to ride in a '91 Yugo convertible.
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December 29th, 2010 at 10:42:19 PM permalink
I'm guessing that there is a 100% chance that you will post tomorrow that you won tonight.

I really can't picture you coming on here and saying "Wow, lost 12K playing video poker with RS"
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December 29th, 2010 at 11:07:57 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Wow, what a disappointment. Its not every day you get to ride in a '91 Yugo convertible.



With sports pack? (EvenB has my vote for the post of the week)

I am a bit bummed I enjoy Laughlin and imagine that this could be the end of it. I would hate to see Don lose his hotel at this stage in life.
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December 30th, 2010 at 12:10:55 AM permalink
Quote: Wavy70

With sports pack? (EvenB has my vote for the post of the week)

I am a bit bummed I enjoy Laughlin and imagine that this could be the end of it. I would hate to see Don lose his hotel at this stage in life.



No, no. If they don't find somebody's royal to take a picture of, RS (or JL) will report that security met them at the door and forbade Singer to play because they were all afraid of his masterful strategy and 176% win rate.

There is at least SOME (non-zero) possibility that if Jerry gets whomped, he will tell us the truth about it, but of one thing we can be certain--if Jerry hits another royal, he'll be convinced that it was because SINGER WAS NEARBY and blessed the machine (Jerry believes in various deities).
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
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December 30th, 2010 at 7:45:14 AM permalink
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December 30th, 2010 at 8:33:01 AM permalink
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Someone should have went there and got video of this.



But then it would become clear that JL is delusional and does not actually know RS...
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December 30th, 2010 at 8:38:40 AM permalink
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December 30th, 2010 at 9:02:47 AM permalink
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I have $12k with me



If this was me, you could recognize me as the nervous looking guy, looking over his shoulder all
the time to see if anyone was following me.
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December 30th, 2010 at 9:12:15 AM permalink
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There is at least SOME (non-zero) possibility that if Jerry gets whomped, he will tell us the truth about it...../q]

It doesn't matter ! ! ! He won't change my mind,
and I won't change his mind. We're all pretty
close to 100 % on that conclusion, right ?

So having said that, GOOD LUCK to Jerry.

I'm looking forward to an interesting report.

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December 30th, 2010 at 9:16:40 AM permalink
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There is at least SOME (non-zero) possibility that if Jerry gets whomped, he will tell us the truth about it



Oops, user error. My post was supposed
to look like this:

It doesn't matterer ! ! ! He won't change my mind,
and I won't change his mind. We're all pretty
close to 100 % on that conclusion, right ?

So having said that, GOOD LUCK to Jerry.

I'm looking forward to an interesting report.
There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
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December 30th, 2010 at 9:31:27 AM permalink
I have a total lack of interest in what he claims as the result.
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December 30th, 2010 at 5:26:57 PM permalink
The training session(#2) and adventure is over, and after I respond to a few of the comments here I'll report exactly as it happened since I took detailed notes.

EvenBob: You seem to be offended somewhat by my mocking of the babyboomer generation for so many reasons. Well, Singer's one of them, only his 91 "Yugo convertible" is a 09 ZR1 corvete hardtop, and he's not trapped like so many of you seem to be. I ran through my criticisms with him and he just laughed, and we listened to his nano which has tons of 60's music on it. (You know how that's done, right? Newer cars have a USB/iPod connection in them!)

Finsrule: Just as I've posted my sportsbets here and had a few embarrassments, I said I would post results regardless of what went down. This ain't my strategy and I'm looking for a better way to play because I've never had a winning year in vp. If I lost, few would care less than me since I won around $11,000 in the last 6 weeks or so. And I'm on record as saying if this effort fails after 6 trainings (which he committed to) then I'll blast him myself and be very disappointed.

JohnnyQ: I frequently carry over $5000 in LV with me, and Laughlin is very low key. No one knows who's carrying what, and the only nervous people are those who are inexperienced in what they're doing.

dm: You're not interested. Opinions will always vary on things like this.

First off, we couldn't leave for home when we finished because we heard I40 had closed between Kingman & Flag. It was snowing heavily when we drove up so I wasn't surprised. We finished around 7am and RS needed to get home for a family committment that evening, so I drove him to the airport in LV. When I got back to Kingman the road was still closed so I took the back way home through Havasu and Parker and beautiful Quartzite.

I was trained on RS's ARTT (Advanced Romp Through Town) strategy. For those who've criticized him as having a "Martingale approach" this strategy is probably his closest thing to that label. As stated I played only $1/$2/$5/$10. Here it is: A session requires about $4000, thus the $12,000 bankroll requirement because he says you need 3X 400 credits of my highest denomination. You play a hand on $1BP. Push (pr of J's or better) you play again. Win 2pr or better you play again. Lose and you go to $2BP. Push on $2BP & you play again. Win 2pr or better and you return to $1BP and start again. Lose and you go to $5BP. Push on $5BP & you play again. Win 2pr or better and you return to $1BP and start again. Lose and you go to $10BP. Push on $10BP & you play again. Win 2pr or better and you return to $1BP. But if you LOSE on this hand of $10BP then you play up to 95 more credits on $10BP UNTIL you either lose it or get to where you monetarily need to be in order to have made the equivalent of hitting 2pr or better on your very first hand of $10BP. This is where I needed to write things down, but RS didn't need to and was never wrong. So, if you LOSE those 100 $10BP credits you load the machine with $3000, or 300 credits, and he chose to teach me on TBP Plus (even though the machine had his best game, SDBPoker, but he said it's more difficult to learn the way he plays it). Again, within these 300 credits, you either quit if you lose them all and start a new session, or you go back to $1BP if and when you win enough credits to put you in position to have made the equivalent amount of money as if you've hit at least 2pr on your very first hand of $10BP. In other words, you need to make a small $10 profit (at a minimum, because many times it will be higher or MUCH higher) before ever returning to $1BP in each and every case. A session is over when all credits are lost or a $100 profit minimum is gained. I played all 8 sessions on the same machine at the Aquarius, and he said it's the same machine in the HL room that he won over $70,000 on during multiple trips in 2008. It is the most interesting and fun strategy I've ever played. But is it really a winner?

Here's my results. I played 8 total sessions and finished 6-2. So tgether with RS's regular strategy training session where I was 3-0, I'm now 9-2 overall. Here it is, session by session:

1. +$240. Had some small winners at the start of $10BP.
2. +$940. Got a w2g for a regular quad on $10BP.
3. -$4000. Got absolutely nothing due to no recovery back to $1BP. I was told this does happen, but not often.
4. +$115. Not much to say on this one.
5. +$1170. Got a w2g for four 2's on $10BP.
6. +$9100. This was the BIG WINNER session which he says happens more often than the big loser sessions. I hit four Aces on $10 TBP Plus. I took a picture of this $12,000 w2g winner and put it on flicker like I did my royal last month, but Cesspit put the picture up for me and he's away I think. Any ideas?
7. -$3930. This session was frustrating after the last winner. Got very little as you can tell.
8. +$170. I have to admit this was kind of boring after the highs and lows of the last 3 sessions, and I said so. That irritated Singer because he said I need to master my discipline and not get caught up in emotions when playing. He said that's what losers do because they no longer get a thrill over winning a little after winning OR LOSING a lot. I learned a good lesson. This is where we decided to quit.

Normally I would have quit after Session #2, because he said he always came to Laughlin to win a minimum of $500 when playing through $10, and $1000 when playing that machine through $25, which it does have. I won a total of $3805. But this was training and it was up to me how much I wanted to keep playing.
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December 30th, 2010 at 5:59:13 PM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

Again, within these 300 credits, you either quit if you lose them all and start a new session, or you go back to $1BP if and when you win enough credits to put you in position to have made the equivalent amount of money as if you've hit at least 2pr on your very first hand of $10BP. In other words, you need to make a small $10 profit (at a minimum, because many times it will be higher or MUCH higher) before ever returning to $1BP in each and every case.



Yes, that's as close to a martingale as you can get on a non-even-money game. "Keep betting until you've won the equivalent of your initial bet" is the defining characteristic of a martingale.

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1. +$240. Had some small winners at the start of $10BP.
2. +$940. Got a w2g for a regular quad on $10BP.
3. -$4000. Got absolutely nothing due to no recovery back to $1BP. I was told this does happen, but not often.
4. +$115. Not much to say on this one.
5. +$1170. Got a w2g for four 2's on $10BP.
6. +$9100. This was the BIG WINNER session which he says happens more often than the big loser sessions. I hit four Aces on $10 TBP Plus. I took a picture of this $12,000 w2g winner and put it on flicker like I did my royal last month, but Cesspit put the picture up for me and he's away I think. Any ideas?
7. -$3930. This session was frustrating after the last winner. Got very little as you can tell.
8. +$170. I have to admit this was kind of boring after the highs and lows of the last 3 sessions, and I said so. That irritated Singer because he said I need to master my discipline and not get caught up in emotions when playing.


I was going to make a Jedi joke, but instead I want to point out that if you don't have fun playing, you should not be playing at all. Getting caught up in the emotions is part of the entertainment.

As to the comment that big winner sessions happen more often than big losers, I disagree, and your own results bear that out. You had one big winner and two big losers, and if it were not for the huge bonus payout on your one big winner you would have been down overall. Bear that in mind.

And then consider whether simply playing $10 VP on whatever game, under the same rules of "lose 4000 or win 100, whichever comes first" wouldn't have nearly identical results.
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December 30th, 2010 at 6:18:20 PM permalink
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because he said I need to master my discipline and not get caught up in emotions when playing.



Is Singer really Yoda? I'm sure I heard Yoda give the very same advice in the 2nd Star Wars movie. Do you have a light sabre you wave over the machine? C'mon, you can tell us. I never trust anybody who posts money results on the net, unless they've been proven to be beyond reproach. Jerry has proven the opposite, so I don't believe a word of it.
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December 30th, 2010 at 6:41:11 PM permalink
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Is Singer really Yoda? I'm sure I heard Yoda give the very same advice in the 2nd Star Wars movie. Do you have a light sabre you wave over the machine? C'mon, you can tell us. I never trust anybody who posts money results on the net, unless they've been proven to be beyond reproach. Jerry has proven the opposite, so I don't believe a word of it.



Would that make mlk JL's father?
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December 30th, 2010 at 7:13:24 PM permalink
Why Laughlin?

I've never heard of anyone under the age of 70 or with teeth get excited about Laughlin.

It's an awful place. It's dead, depressing, and the limits are low, as is the smoke cloud in each casino. The entire place goes to bed at 9 PM and it wakes at 6 AM.
The highlight is the buffet where you get to watch people suck their teeth.

It's where old dealers go to retire and rust away.

It's purgatory for bad gamblers.
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December 30th, 2010 at 8:45:41 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

I was going to make a Jedi joke, but instead I want to point out that if you don't have fun playing, you should not be playing at all. Getting caught up in the emotions is part of the entertainment.

As to the comment that big winner sessions happen more often than big losers, I disagree, and your own results bear that out. You had one big winner and two big losers, and if it were not for the huge bonus payout on your one big winner you would have been down overall. Bear that in mind.

And then consider whether simply playing $10 VP on whatever game, under the same rules of "lose 4000 or win 100, whichever comes first" wouldn't have nearly identical results.



Getting caught up in the emotions is something Singer says he does not do, as he's only there to win money and get out ASAP. Having fun playing is something the casino wants players to do. He does exactly the opposite there too.

I get the feeling that you only said "your own results bear that out" here is because I had 2 big losers and one big winner. Normally, a math person such as yourself would have held off on saying anything of the sort, simply because the sample size is much too small. I guess you just couldn't help yourself. Besides, I got a clarification on that last night. I was told the large winners at times will be much larger than the large losers, they will more than make up for the large losers, and the critics never admit to the fact that large winners do appear at least as frequently as the large losers. That is also the reason such highly volatile games are played, and why there's those special plays the deviate from optimal strategy that some people just don't want to understand why they work. How difficult is it to get four Aces anyway? That's why he plays these games the way he plays them, and I'm certain that's why he's always won.

Your last comment is made out of clearly not understanding what he developed and why. He told me of a trial he was doing on some site called vpgenius where he played 200 credits BP and 800 credits of one of these crazy games. His goal is to win 100 credits. He won 45 sessions and lost 4. It isn't as tough as you want it to appear to be.
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December 30th, 2010 at 8:47:32 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Is Singer really Yoda? I'm sure I heard Yoda give the very same advice in the 2nd Star Wars movie. Do you have a light sabre you wave over the machine? C'mon, you can tell us. I never trust anybody who posts money results on the net, unless they've been proven to be beyond reproach. Jerry has proven the opposite, so I don't believe a word of it.



My my my how you've changed your tune from the guy who wrote PM's to me saying how MKL was the gay guy over on that dealer's forum. I guess it's the boomer issue again.
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December 30th, 2010 at 8:54:19 PM permalink
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Why Laughlin?

I've never heard of anyone under the age of 70 or with teeth get excited about Laughlin.

It's an awful place. It's dead, depressing, and the limits are low, as is the smoke cloud in each casino. The entire place goes to bed at 9 PM and it wakes at 6 AM.
The highlight is the buffet where you get to watch people suck their teeth.

It's where old dealers go to retire and rust away.

It's purgatory for bad gamblers.



Why Laughlin? He said no casino in Nevada has the machines they do at the Aquarius. He doesn't give a crap about anyone else, their age or their teeth. We were there overnight and that's when he's always played there. I didn't have an Aquarius card, the slot club was closed, I didn't want to chase down a pit boss to try and get one so we used his. They probably hate him even more today. He's always gone there to win and based on the attention that he got, which was negative, when we walked into the area, I'd say he's been a tough pill to swallow. I got 3 handpays, one very large especially for that place, and the displeasure with him was enormous as we left no tips whatsoever.
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December 30th, 2010 at 9:16:06 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Why Laughlin?

I've never heard of anyone under the age of 70 or with teeth get excited about Laughlin.

It's an awful place. It's dead, depressing, and the limits are low, as is the smoke cloud in each casino. The entire place goes to bed at 9 PM and it wakes at 6 AM.
The highlight is the buffet where you get to watch people suck their teeth.

It's where old dealers go to retire and rust away.

It's purgatory for bad gamblers.



Keyser not sure if you have ever spent any time in Laughlin but you are a bit off.
I'm 40 my wife is 34 we go to Laughlin at least once a year and get excited about it.
Is the crowd older than LV? Mostly yes but not sure how that is bad. I'm there with my wife so not looking to hook up.
Laughlin has a large RV "Snowbird" community. Two reasons Laughlin is the choice is due to the weather and value.
Table limits are on par with LV. Not quite sure I understand why low limits are bad. But I'm sure if you ask a pit boss nicely to open a $100 min BJ table they will for you.
As to smoke? Depending on the size of the crowd the smoke is no worse than to be expected in other casinos.
Not quite sure if it shuts down at 9pm but if you mean it gets easy to find a open table or open +VP machine yes. But once again that may be considered a good thing.
I am not sure of your age but you have an interesting idea of Senior Citizens. A lot of them can walk, chew and even use the restroom alone.
I would also agree that the dealers you encounter there will have had decades more experience dealing than the average dealer in LV. Still that may be a good thing.
As to a purgatory of bad gamblers? Not sure of your basis. But if you like VP you can still find +100% games. Maybe that is to help the bad gamblers.

If you enjoy the outdoors at all Laughlin is a great place. You have the river, Lake Mohave, Grapevine Canyon, big bend, Oatmen, etc it is a very beautiful area.
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December 30th, 2010 at 9:23:27 PM permalink
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My my my how you've changed your tune from the guy who wrote PM's to me saying how MKL was the gay guy over on that dealer's forum. I guess it's the boomer issue again.



Isn't it a violation of the rules to post what was said in a private message?
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December 30th, 2010 at 9:30:25 PM permalink
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He's always gone there to win and based on the attention that he got, which was negative, when we walked into the area, I'd say he's been a tough pill to swallow..



He always goes there to win? Where does he go to lose? And he got a lot of 'attention', just for being there? What did they do, try to trip him? Shoot spit balls at him? Knock the money out of his hand when he tried to put it into the machine? You say he got a lot of negative attention, please give some details. I've been going to casinos since 1976 and have never seen it, this should be very entertaining.
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December 30th, 2010 at 9:44:43 PM permalink
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He always goes there to win? Where does he go to lose? And he got a lot of 'attention', just for being there? What did they do, try to trip him? Shoot spit balls at him? Knock the money out of his hand when he tried to put it into the machine? You say he got a lot of negative attention, please give some details. I've been going to casinos since 1976 and have never seen it, this should be very entertaining.



I just wanna know how to get someone to filter 12k through my players card for me.

Also W2G's are nice but wouldn't a win/loss be a more accurate portrait?
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December 30th, 2010 at 10:15:14 PM permalink
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He always goes there to win? Where does he go to lose? And he got a lot of 'attention', just for being there? What did they do, try to trip him? Shoot spit balls at him? Knock the money out of his hand when he tried to put it into the machine? You say he got a lot of negative attention, please give some details. I've been going to casinos since 1976 and have never seen it, this should be very entertaining.



Yeah. In other words, he doesn't go there to lose like most people do. You've never seen that attention probably because you never win, and you haven't had your picture in the paper for years. You also likely tip out of intimidation like most AP's end up doing, and he gets remembered for being smart and NOT tipping, again unlike AP's who look for someone to hold their hand while gambling.

You've got a nasty jealous streak. Shoulda gone to bed earlier with the rest of the geezer crowd.

You know, I think the problem here is there's a lot of big talk on this forum, but surprisingly almost every one of you is a low roller. Just because I don't want to chit-chat about $3 BJ table limits and nickle vp machines and the El Cortez and LVA coupon books and how great PF Flyers were back in the fabulous 60's, doesn't mean there should be so much animosity just because I actually play higher limits.
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December 30th, 2010 at 10:17:05 PM permalink
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I just wanna know how to get someone to filter 12k through my players card for me.

Also W2G's are nice but wouldn't a win/loss be a more accurate portrait?



I did post the net win, $3805. I put a LOT more than $12,000 throught that machine last night.

I don't have a card from there. Would it had been better to play without one when one of us has one?
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December 30th, 2010 at 11:04:25 PM permalink
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My my my how you've changed your tune from the guy who wrote PM's to me saying how MKL was the gay guy over on that dealer's forum. I guess it's the boomer issue again.



Violation of rule #4: Respect Privacy: Do not post any information about someone else that is intended to be private or quote from private communication.

Two week suspension, per my Martingale policy of roughly doubling the time with every additional violation.
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December 30th, 2010 at 11:08:45 PM permalink
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Yeah. In other words, he doesn't go there to lose like most people do. You've never seen that attention probably because you never win, and you haven't had your picture in the paper for years.



I asked what kind of negative attention did he get, not for you to turn it back on me. C'mon, you made the statement, back it up with some examples. He got lots of negative attention, yet you don't remember the details? The hole you're digging just gets deeper and deeper.
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December 30th, 2010 at 11:11:35 PM permalink
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Violation of rule #4: Respect Privacy: Do not post any information about someone else that is intended to be private or quote from private communication.

Two week suspension, per my Martingale policy of roughly doubling the time with every additional violation.



To be Satan's lawyer in this Martingale how do you get to the positive.

Happy NYE Wiz (in CT at least).
BTW Add Laughlin to your pages. It's not so bad. Ya ever try to Jet Ski the strip?
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December 30th, 2010 at 11:14:59 PM permalink
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Violation of rule #4: Respect Privacy: Do not post any information about someone else that is intended to be private or quote from private communication.

Two week suspension, per my Martingale policy of roughly doubling the time with every additional violation.



The only time when the Martingale is a winning progression in the long run!
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December 30th, 2010 at 11:30:18 PM permalink
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So, if you LOSE those 100 $10BP credits you load the machine with $3000, or 300 credits.



With JL out for 2 weeks, I guess I'll open this question up to the board: Is this possible in NV? Here in MN, the machines can only ever have $1199 in credits on them. Anything over that and it prints a ticket for the greater of the applicable win (if less than $1200 win, else handpay) or the amount required to get the balance back to <$1199. I guess I've never tried to feed hundred after hundred after hundred into gaming consoles in other places...Is there a limit in NV? What is it? (yes, I realize that MN is the LAST place where I should have done this in the first place...)
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December 31st, 2010 at 1:03:25 AM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

I did post the net win, $3805. I put a LOT more than $12,000 throught that machine last night.

I don't have a card from there. Would it had been better to play without one when one of us has one?



FYI any slot host can get you a card 24/7. No need for a pit boss. It would have been a lot better for RS to have had his card in the machine. however they often question if the person who wins the Jpot is not the person who has the card in the machine. I give you credit. The slot hosts who do this everyday did not notice that.
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December 31st, 2010 at 2:07:51 AM permalink
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FYI any slot host can get you a card 24/7. No need for a pit boss. It would have been a lot better for RS to have had his card in the machine. however they often question if the person who wins the Jpot is not the person who has the card in the machine. I give you credit. The slot hosts who do this everyday did not notice that.



Isn't it fairly obvious he was never there? Think real hard about why he would make all this up..
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December 31st, 2010 at 3:23:28 AM permalink
Now my sock puppet account, JerryLogan has been suspended, I figured I'd come back online again...

I was surpassed that the man who had studied so much of Singer's information had never seen the ARTT.. Specially seeing as I had mentioned it several times in previous conversation, and El Loganista had commented on it. Not sure on the hate for Laughlin... It is what it is, and can be fun with the right attitude. And it's really not the point anyways.

The -key- to all the churn about Mr Singers methods is in Math Extremist's statement... If (a critics will never admit... Possibly as it's not true) big winners happen more often than big losers, then Singer System will work. If they don't, and all the small wins and pick ups don't cancel out the losers, then it won't work.

By work, I mean repeatably and systematically. The Loganators results not with standing. As an aside, I'm pretty sure Logan and Rob Singer know each other and are not the same person, and did play VP this weekend in Laughlin.
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December 31st, 2010 at 3:43:07 AM permalink
>Why Laughlin?
Why not?

>I've never heard of anyone under the age of 70 or with teeth get excited about Laughlin.
>It's an awful place. It's dead, depressing, and the limits are low, as is the smoke cloud in each casino.
>The entire place goes to bed at 9 PM and it wakes at 6 AM.
>The highlight is the buffet where you get to watch people suck their teeth.
>It's where old dealers go to retire and rust away.
>It's purgatory for bad gamblers.
Then again, there are no traffic jams and no porn slappers.

Okay, Okay... so I guess this is "topic drift" anyway, but if some sort of lecture or demonstration session is taking place, does the fact that it takes place in Laughlin detract from it in any manner?

Now if you people would just explain to this mathematically challenged old geezer what on earth British Petroleum has to do with all this? 1BP ?????

Does the comment about never tipping relate only to never tipping at a hand pay or has he never tipped a cocktail waitress either?
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December 31st, 2010 at 4:02:02 AM permalink
BP = bonus poker, so 1BP I assume is one dollar bonus poker.

I think they are taking not tipping hand pay, and tip servers.
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December 31st, 2010 at 4:02:03 AM permalink
BP = bonus poker, so 1BP I assume is one dollar bonus poker.

I think they are taking not tipping hand pay, and tip servers.
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December 31st, 2010 at 7:50:55 AM permalink
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Happy NYE Wiz (in CT at least).
BTW Add Laughlin to your pages. It's not so bad. Ya ever try to Jet Ski the strip?



Thanks, you too.

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December 31st, 2010 at 7:57:21 AM permalink
I've never stopped and played in Laughlin but I have driven from Dallas to Vegas a few times (LOVE the drive!) and my favorite stretches of the drive are 1) through Flagstaff and 2) taking AZ-68 off of US-93 just outside of Kingman through to Vegas.

I first took it about 10 years ago when I wanted to avoid post-9/11 slowdowns at the Dam, and I really loved the dramatic drop just outside of Laughlin, then the majestic climb on NV-163, and (weirdly) the funky little gas station when you turn off of NV-163 onto Veterans Memorial (US-95?), and the classic turn-the-corner-BAM-there's-the-strip off of IH-515!

Yes, I can afford to fly, and I do, but if I have two weeks of vacation, I like to make the drive. And yes, I have had a flat in August on US-93 between the dam and Kingman. $250 for the tow and $400 for new tires. Urgh.
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December 31st, 2010 at 7:59:20 AM permalink
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Violation of rule #4: Respect Privacy: Do not post any information about someone else that is intended to be private or quote from private communication.

Two week suspension, per my Martingale policy of roughly doubling the time with every additional violation.

"Martingale" ?

Shame on you for invoking that term. Martingale implies successive losses with an eventual win.

Suspending Jerry is a win for all of us, with no option for Jerry to gain from the loss.


And shame on you, a math wiz, for not using the correct MATH term: Geometric Progression!


On the other hand, at what point does the, ahem, martingale exceed the house limit? There are plenty of people looking forward to JL's lifetime ban.
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December 31st, 2010 at 10:01:12 AM permalink
For those that care, and further proof that he is just my sock puppet account, The Jerrymanderer's 4 aces are here :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/56931127@N04/5308162360/in/photostream/
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December 31st, 2010 at 10:14:56 AM permalink
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And shame on you, a math wiz, for not using the correct MATH term: Geometric Progression!



The "Martingale policy" was a joke, in the line of two wrongs making a right.

There indeed are a lot of calls to permanently ban Jerry. However, a lot of members seem to enjoy arguing with him. Personally, when I find somebody annoying or offensive I just ignore them. To respond to such people is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.
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December 31st, 2010 at 3:42:02 PM permalink
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I'm pretty sure Logan and Rob Singer know each other and are not the same person, and did play VP this weekend in Laughlin.



And I'm not sure of that at all. Jerry is Singer's shill, he keeps his name in full view on this forum all the time and there is always going to be some sucker who believes Singer always wins and will shell out good money for nothing. All the little details Jerry gives are just too conveinient. Especially all the supposed negative heat Singer got in the casino, yet when pressed for details all Jerry can do is huff and puff and try and direct the conversation in another direction.
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December 31st, 2010 at 3:45:05 PM permalink
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The "Martingale policy" was a joke, in the line of two wrongs making a right.

There indeed are a lot of calls to permanently ban Jerry. However, a lot of members seem to enjoy arguing with him. Personally, when I find somebody annoying or offensive I just ignore them. To respond to such people is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.



Whats the old saying, 'When you've bested a fool, what have you really accomplished.'
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December 31st, 2010 at 3:58:05 PM permalink
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And I'm not sure of that at all. Jerry is Singer's shill, he keeps his name in full view on this forum all the time and there is always going to be some sucker who believes Singer always wins and will shell out good money for nothing. All the little details Jerry gives are just too conveinient. Especially all the supposed negative heat Singer got in the casino, yet when pressed for details all Jerry can do is huff and puff and try and direct the conversation in another direction.



True that. I am slightly less sure than 24hours ago.

Jerry -always- huffs when challenged on his BS. Always. Considering he made a name for himself saying he was an expert on challenging other peoples wild assertions, as they used to say on Dads Army "Jerry don't like it up 'em".
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January 1st, 2011 at 9:06:02 PM permalink
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With JL out for 2 weeks, I guess I'll open this question up to the board: Is this possible in NV? Here in MN, the machines can only ever have $1199 in credits on them. Anything over that and it prints a ticket for the greater of the applicable win (if less than $1200 win, else handpay) or the amount required to get the balance back to <$1199.


It depends on the casino and the machine. Both the amount that you can feed at once, and the amount of credits that can be on the machine before it starts spitting tickets, are configurable. I've played in places that cap both at $1199, places that cap the amount you can feed at $500 or $1000 but don't spit tickets no matter how high the credits get, places that cap both at $2999, places with a cap on most machines but no cap in the high limit room, etc, etc. Pretty sure it's just preference of the casino and not a matter of state gaming regulations.

(I once played at a Strip casino next to a gentleman who was playing $1500 a pull. He took a marker for $50000 to start play with the entire balance pre-loaded on the machine. That would have been difficult with a $1199 cap!)
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January 2nd, 2011 at 7:29:01 PM permalink
I think we can all agree that even if Jerry is telling the truth about his win, his results don't mean anything, nor would they have meant anything if he had reported a huge loss, since, as he himself says, the sample size was much too small.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 7:31:11 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

With JL out for 2 weeks, I guess I'll open this question up to the board: Is this possible in NV? Here in MN, the machines can only ever have $1199 in credits on them. Anything over that and it prints a ticket for the greater of the applicable win (if less than $1200 win, else handpay) or the amount required to get the balance back to <$1199. I guess I've never tried to feed hundred after hundred after hundred into gaming consoles in other places...Is there a limit in NV? What is it? (yes, I realize that MN is the LAST place where I should have done this in the first place...)



It doesn't really matter whether you have the credits loaded in the machine, on a ticket in your hand, or several hundreds in your wallet, as long as you have enough credits for your next bet, at the denomination the Magic Singer Strategy calls for at the time.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 7:32:33 PM permalink
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Thanks, you too.

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