Evenbobs Baccarat Thread
August 24th, 2023 at 2:20:24 PM
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He said something about having too much money causing problems, I think he even mentioned the Lottery curse or some nonsense like that. You would think if someone had sense enough to know that they could prepare and set something in place to avoid that. Also, the lottery curse(if it's actually a thing) is based on people winning unexpectedly large sums all at once.Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuQuote: lilredrooster.
so, EB just to be clear - I have a question
assuming you had the resources for this - let's say you had a BR of $600K
and assuming the book(s) could not refuse your action -
you could be betting $10K per hand and in a few weeks you could make many $$$ millions
correct__________?
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We asked him this in the Roulette thread but I forget what the excuse was for why he didn't do it.
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Nobody has ever asked me this, in this forum or in the forum I belonged to before I was here. I would remember doing the math and I've never done the math before
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It was asked in the other Roulette thread why you weren't a world famous millionaire yet if you have a system to beat the game. You might not have seen it, there were so many posts in that thread. I just went back to try and find it but couldn't because there was just so much to look through.
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He claims he can guess roulette outcomes with an 80% hit rate. He might not find a good bet for up to 3 days.
He now plays low-stakes baccarat at many more bets with a significantly lower hit rate.
I showed a chart of what it would look like if he could actually accomplish an 80% hit rate. It's nearly impossible to lose after a relatively small number of bets.
There are no legitimate reasons someone would forgo an 80% hit rate on roulette and switch to baccarat. There's no legitimate reason to make just enough to play their $600-$1500 a month in bills.
There's no legitimate reason why in the last 10 years or whatever it's been Bob shouldn't have Millions.
In a different thread, he mentioned how very precious time is. He could make enough to be set for the rest of his life in a matter of a few months if he could do what he claims he can do and never risk a dime of his money.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 24th, 2023 at 2:32:41 PM
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Quote: AxelWolf
There are no legitimate reasons someone would forgo an 80% hit rate on roulette and switch to baccarat. There's no legitimate reason to make just enough to play their $600-$1500 a month in bills.
There's no legitimate reason why in the last 10 years or whatever it's been Bob shouldn't have Millions.
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August 24th, 2023 at 2:34:38 PM
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But EB is not and has never been a gambler. Imagine how difficult it would be explaining to his family how he acquired all that money. He is just trying to avoid the embarrassment.Quote: AxelWolfThere's no legitimate reason why in the last 10 years or whatever it's been Bob shouldn't have Millions.
In a different thread, he mentioned how very precious time is. He could make enough to be set for the rest of his life in a matter of a few months if he could do what he claims he can do and never risk a dime of his money.
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Gambling is a math contest where the score is tracked in dollars. Try not to get a negative score.
August 24th, 2023 at 2:43:11 PM
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Now most of you will see that I won 10 cents and go ho hum, so what who cares big deal means nothing. But if it was $1,000 I won some of you would go holy cow that's significant. But it's not, winning a dime is not easier or harder than winning $1,000. Most of you will never understand that for some reason.
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Okay, I'll bite... If winning $1,000 is no easier or harder than winning a dime, then why aren't you winning $1,000?
August 24th, 2023 at 2:47:29 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
Now most of you will see that I won 10 cents and go ho hum, so what who cares big deal means nothing. But if it was $1,000 I won some of you would go holy cow that's significant. But it's not, winning a dime is not easier or harder than winning $1,000. Most of you will never understand that for some reason.
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Okay, I'll bite... If winning $1,000 is no easier or harder than winning a dime, then why aren't you winning $1,000?
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I have given my explanation above.
Cherrypicking he doesn't lose too much on the losing but unseen sessions
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 24th, 2023 at 2:51:20 PM
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Quote: MentalQuote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
Notably you didn't deny it's all in your mind.
Twisting and turning and pulling it even you Still admit it's all in your mind.
Even the winning.
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Obviously these results I'm posting, and there's more to come, are not in my mind. There's a monkey wrench in your theory..
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Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence, is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related and similar cases or data that may contradict that position. Cherry picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally.
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If you notice I'm trying to link whatever results I'm currently posting to the last results I posted from the same Casino so you can see there's an unbroken line in the starting and ending money. This pretty much eliminates cherry picking because there's no way to fake it, if you have a losing session you just can't go in and magically remove that session. Without doing that these results would be worthless because you're right they could be just Cherry Picked from anywhere. There has to be a link between all of the results or why bother doing it. Remember this is just getting started I don't think this threads even a week old yet is it? I just checked this thread is exactly 6 days old, I haven't even gotten started yet.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 24th, 2023 at 2:52:19 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuQuote: lilredrooster.
so, EB just to be clear - I have a question
assuming you had the resources for this - let's say you had a BR of $600K
and assuming the book(s) could not refuse your action -
you could be betting $10K per hand and in a few weeks you could make many $$$ millions
correct__________?
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We asked him this in the Roulette thread but I forget what the excuse was for why he didn't do it.
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Nobody has ever asked me this, in this forum or in the forum I belonged to before I was here. I would remember doing the math and I've never done the math before
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It was asked in the other Roulette thread why you weren't a world famous millionaire yet if you have a system to beat the game. You might not have seen it, there were so many posts in that thread. I just went back to try and find it but couldn't because there was just so much to look through.
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You mean this?
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What I would like to know is why EvenBob is not a multi-millionaire
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"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
August 24th, 2023 at 2:57:16 PM
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Quote: MentalBut EB is not and has never been a gambler. Imagine how difficult it would be explaining to his family how he acquired all that money. He is just trying to avoid the embarrassment.Quote: AxelWolfThere's no legitimate reason why in the last 10 years or whatever it's been Bob shouldn't have Millions.
In a different thread, he mentioned how very precious time is. He could make enough to be set for the rest of his life in a matter of a few months if he could do what he claims he can do and never risk a dime of his money.
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The fact that people are so hung up on the amount of money made and not the process itself shows you what's going on. More more more, they see everything through the prism of It's never enough. That's my wife when she's playing slots and she'll be four or $500 ahead and I'll say come on, isn't that enough? And she'll always say It's never enough. That's what my friend who's in addiction counselor tells me that for every addiction there is whether it's addiction to sex, pornography, drugs, sugar, cigarettes, gambling. It's always more more more, enough is never enough. But I'm not a gambler, I'm certainly not an addict, so I have no idea what that's like. It's like if I had a successful mom and pop pizza shop and everybody kept asking me, well what's wrong with you why don't you have 25 pizza shops. More more more..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 24th, 2023 at 2:58:00 PM
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Quote: MentalBut EB is not and has never been a gambler.Quote: AxelWolfThere's no legitimate reason why in the last 10 years or whatever it's been Bob shouldn't have Millions.
In a different thread, he mentioned how very precious time is. He could make enough to be set for the rest of his life in a matter of a few months if he could do what he claims he can do and never risk a dime of his money.
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Note he is playing with actual money on something he believes isn't beatable and its -EV. It sounds like he's gambling to me.Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozQuote: EvenBob
So raising your wager by triple is flat betting in your mind?
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I knew you would catch that. I was in a hurry so I said screw it, it was a computer run game which I would never play with real money. They are programmed to play against you. I play them when the live games have shoes that suck.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 24th, 2023 at 2:59:01 PM
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Quote: darkoz
Cherrypicking he doesn't lose too much on the losing but unseen sessions
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There are no unseen sessions, you'll see.. Give it time.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 24th, 2023 at 3:02:10 PM
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Okay, I'll bite... If winning $1,000 is no easier or harder than winning a dime, then why aren't you winning $1,000?
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Online? How long do you think one of these casinos is going to put up with somebody consistently winning $1,000 bets and never making deposits and only making withdrawals. It's something I worry about every day and now I have a casino that looks like it backed me off, remember that from the other thread? That still has not been resolved. The only way you're ever going to get away with making those kind of bets and winning consistently is in a city full of casinos where you would have to live and do it everyday. Yuck.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 24th, 2023 at 3:03:38 PM
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Bob when you get tired of the shame and humiliation defending this twisted web you weave
are you going to switch to a I beat BJ thread? if so gimme a heads up please.
are you going to switch to a I beat BJ thread? if so gimme a heads up please.
August 24th, 2023 at 3:03:38 PM
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Duplicate.
August 24th, 2023 at 3:05:34 PM
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Quote: rainmanBob when you get tired of the shame and humiliation defending this twisted web you weave
are you going to switch to a I beat BJ thread? if so gimme a heads up please.
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I don't play Blackjack, knock yourself out.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 24th, 2023 at 3:07:02 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: rainmanBob when you get tired of the shame and humiliation defending this twisted web you weave
are you going to switch to a I beat BJ thread? if so gimme a heads up please.
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I don't play Blackjack, knock yourself out.
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I was just hoping the guy who can beat games at will would do my favorite game.
August 24th, 2023 at 3:08:18 PM
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Impossible for us to know that unless you establish some protocols prior to starting.Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
Cherrypicking he doesn't lose too much on the losing but unseen sessions
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There are no unseen sessions, you'll see.. Give it time.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 24th, 2023 at 3:13:11 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWu
Okay, I'll bite... If winning $1,000 is no easier or harder than winning a dime, then why aren't you winning $1,000?
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Online? How long do you think one of these casinos is going to put up with somebody consistently winning $1,000 bets and never making deposits and only making withdrawals. It's something I worry about every day and now I have a casino that looks like it backed me off, remember that from the other thread? That still has not been resolved. The only way you're ever going to get away with making those kind of bets and winning consistently is in a city full of casinos where you would have to live and do it everyday. Yuck.
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You also stated in the other thread that these were state run so you had the law on your side.
That you were going to make formal complaints.
And anyway the money you could make betting $1000 a hand would offset the longevity of betting $5 a hand. In other words you would make money one hundred times faster so if they shut you down you would be fine and set up.
Now if they shut you down (highly skeptical but if) then you have nothing but enough to pay for some candles.
AP 101: If you truly have a winning method hit hard and hit fast because they will shut you down regardless.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 24th, 2023 at 3:23:31 PM
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You also stated in the other thread that these were state run so you had the law on your side.
That you were going to make formal complaints.
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You would think the law would be on your side but when it comes down to it, why would they be. The state makes a ton of money off casinos that's the last thing they want to do is shut a casino down because that's less money for them. So whose side do you think they're going to take most of the time. I did file a complaint, you have to do it in writing there's no other way to do it and I've heard nothing back so far. How many complaints did you figure they get a day from people who think they've been cheated or just too dumb to realize they don't know what they're doing. How many times have you been in brick and mortar casino and seen somebody accuse them of cheating because they lost. Now all those people are writing complaints, must be a real fun department to work at. Looking at the comments you can tell there are tons of people who think the casinos do nothing but cheat.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 24th, 2023 at 3:23:34 PM
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I can include some Blackjack, slots, VP, etc. if you wish. Pick your poison.Quote: rainmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: rainmanBob when you get tired of the shame and humiliation defending this twisted web you weave
are you going to switch to a I beat BJ thread? if so gimme a heads up please.
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I don't play Blackjack, knock yourself out.
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I was just hoping the guy who can beat games at will would do my favorite game.
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I have more baccarat results to post(been lazy) that absolutely crush EB's results. I don't know what my cherry-picked hit rate is, but it's significantly high. I just need to figure out how to keep Cujo from harassing me. He keeps interrupting my super duper grandmaster baccarat method causing me to tie. Hmmm... Perhaps bet the tie whenever he is coming for me? OMG, I might just have a new method.
Note: For anybody reading this crap for the first time, I don't believe in any such nonsense.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 24th, 2023 at 4:08:19 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI can include some Blackjack, slots, VP, etc. if you wish. Pick your poison.Quote: rainmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: rainmanBob when you get tired of the shame and humiliation defending this twisted web you weave
are you going to switch to a I beat BJ thread? if so gimme a heads up please.
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I don't play Blackjack, knock yourself out.
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I was just hoping the guy who can beat games at will would do my favorite game.
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I have more baccarat results to post(been lazy) that absolutely crush EB's results. I don't know what my cherry-picked hit rate is, but it's significantly high. I just need to figure out how to keep Cujo from harassing me. He keeps interrupting my super duper grandmaster baccarat method causing me to tie. Hmmm... Perhaps bet the tie whenever he is coming for me? OMG, I might just have a new method.
Note: For anybody reading this crap for the first time, I don't believe in any such nonsense.
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Well... I Appreciate the offer but I'm not convinced of your credibility as an AP. I did see the long Horn thread
where many AP's vouched for you including the almighty himself but Bobs posting real proof here, He has
posted 10-15 events and is up two dollars he's my guy. 😁
August 24th, 2023 at 4:45:40 PM
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I haven’t posted here in a while
EB never beat roulette. EB never consistently paid his bills with roulette winnings. EB has no system/method/hocus pocus to beat baccarat. The majority of EB’s posts on the subject show an amazing lack of understanding of basic concepts that pertain to betting, and baccarat and roulette specifically. Frankly, there is no reason to tolerate his posts on a math/gambling forum.
I’m sure the forum is anxiously awaiting a screenshot of something showing 2 wins and a loss playing fiddy cent baccarat.
EB has supposedly a virtually unlimited source of free money. Yet some time ago he was trying to figure out a way to get his ailing brother a used van, but money was an issue! Really!?!?
EB never beat roulette. EB never consistently paid his bills with roulette winnings. EB has no system/method/hocus pocus to beat baccarat. The majority of EB’s posts on the subject show an amazing lack of understanding of basic concepts that pertain to betting, and baccarat and roulette specifically. Frankly, there is no reason to tolerate his posts on a math/gambling forum.
I’m sure the forum is anxiously awaiting a screenshot of something showing 2 wins and a loss playing fiddy cent baccarat.
EB has supposedly a virtually unlimited source of free money. Yet some time ago he was trying to figure out a way to get his ailing brother a used van, but money was an issue! Really!?!?
August 24th, 2023 at 5:08:34 PM
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I remember reading a story decades ago about a man who was a master counterfeiter in the 1950s but all he made was $1 bills. But the plates he made were so good that they were almost undetectable as being counterfeit. He distributed hundreds of these $1 bills a month in the large city that he lived in and it took over a decade for the FBI to catch him. He was very clever, he never went to the same place twice in the same time period. When they asked him why he only made $1 bills when he could have made $50 bills or $100 bills he said that he only wanted enough money to pay his bills and that he didn't see the point of changing his whole lifestyle just because he could.
I have always remembered that it had a big effect on me because I totally understand what he's saying. He liked the life he was leading he just wanted to make it a little easier on himself. But of course the first question he gets asked is why did he not make more more more. Because greed is the central feature that runs most people's lives. Elon Musk says most people who win the lottery big or inherit a lot of money are often failures because they do not understand the responsibility that goes along with wealth. How it changes your whole life and how you have to be able to keep up with that or it's going to destroy you. That's how I feel about money, I don't want to win the lottery what would I do with all that money. Everything I do now that I get pleasure from would be totally gone from me it would all have to be replaced by something else. Why would I want to do that to myself.
I have always remembered that it had a big effect on me because I totally understand what he's saying. He liked the life he was leading he just wanted to make it a little easier on himself. But of course the first question he gets asked is why did he not make more more more. Because greed is the central feature that runs most people's lives. Elon Musk says most people who win the lottery big or inherit a lot of money are often failures because they do not understand the responsibility that goes along with wealth. How it changes your whole life and how you have to be able to keep up with that or it's going to destroy you. That's how I feel about money, I don't want to win the lottery what would I do with all that money. Everything I do now that I get pleasure from would be totally gone from me it would all have to be replaced by something else. Why would I want to do that to myself.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 24th, 2023 at 5:20:27 PM
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I remember reading a story minutes ago about a man who was a master Roulette & Baccarat player. He could win
all he wanted he was so good but he chose to waste his time playing for pennies instead of dollars because he had
everything he could ever want.
all he wanted he was so good but he chose to waste his time playing for pennies instead of dollars because he had
everything he could ever want.
August 24th, 2023 at 6:15:18 PM
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Easy, don't play the lottery and refuse any inheritance. If you use your system to "slowly" to build up Millions you won't have the sudden influx of wealth and you can avoid the curse. Use the excess money you don't want or need to do good. You enjoy cats so do something good for cats.Quote: EvenBobElon Musk says most people who win the lottery big or inherit a lot of money are often failures because they do not understand the responsibility that goes along with wealth. How it changes your whole life and how you have to be able to keep up with that or it's going to destroy you. That's how I feel about money, I don't want to win the lottery what would I do with all that money. Everything I do now that I get pleasure from would be totally gone from me it would all have to be replaced by something else. Why would I want to do that to myself?
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Are you telling me you haven't gained enough wisdom over the years to figure out how to shield yourself from this type of thing?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 24th, 2023 at 6:19:54 PM
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Okay, I'll bite... If winning $1,000 is no easier or harder than winning a dime, then why aren't you winning $1,000?
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Online? How long do you think one of these casinos is going to put up with somebody consistently winning $1,000 bets and never making deposits and only making withdrawals. It's something I worry about every day and now I have a casino that looks like it backed me off, remember that from the other thread? That still has not been resolved. The only way you're ever going to get away with making those kind of bets and winning consistently is in a city full of casinos where you would have to live and do it everyday. Yuck.
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You also stated in the other thread that these were state run so you had the law on your side.
That you were going to make formal complaints.
And anyway the money you could make betting $1000 a hand would offset the longevity of betting $5 a hand. In other words you would make money one hundred times faster so if they shut you down you would be fine and set up.
Now if they shut you down (highly skeptical but if) then you have nothing but enough to pay for some candles.
AP 101: If you truly have a winning method hit hard and hit fast because they will shut you down regardless.
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Pretty hilarious. After pointing out they eventually would catch on and shut him down anyway even for low stakes and it's AP 101 to go hard and go fast...
EB defends his decision by pointing to someone who went low got caught and now has nothing to show for it.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 24th, 2023 at 6:57:32 PM
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Quote: darkozQuote: darkozQuote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWu
Okay, I'll bite... If winning $1,000 is no easier or harder than winning a dime, then why aren't you winning $1,000?
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Online? How long do you think one of these casinos is going to put up with somebody consistently winning $1,000 bets and never making deposits and only making withdrawals. It's something I worry about every day and now I have a casino that looks like it backed me off, remember that from the other thread? That still has not been resolved. The only way you're ever going to get away with making those kind of bets and winning consistently is in a city full of casinos where you would have to live and do it everyday. Yuck.
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You also stated in the other thread that these were state run so you had the law on your side.
That you were going to make formal complaints.
And anyway the money you could make betting $1000 a hand would offset the longevity of betting $5 a hand. In other words you would make money one hundred times faster so if they shut you down you would be fine and set up.
Now if they shut you down (highly skeptical but if) then you have nothing but enough to pay for some candles.
AP 101: If you truly have a winning method hit hard and hit fast because they will shut you down regardless.
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Pretty hilarious. After pointing out they eventually would catch on and shut him down anyway even for low stakes and it's AP 101 to go hard and go fast...Quote: EvenBobEB defends his decision by pointing to someone who went low got caught and now has nothing to show for it.
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Online? How long do you think one of these casinos is going to put up with somebody consistently winning $1,000 bets and never making deposits and only making withdrawals. It's something I worry about every day and now I have a casino that looks like it backed me off, remember that from the other thread? That still has not been resolved. The only way you're ever going to get away with making those kind of bets and winning consistently is in a city full of casinos where you would have to live and do it everyday. Yuck.Quote:Not True.
Betting large would make it so you could/would have to do it significantly less often. There's ZERO chance they shut down Bob for winning.
Whatever happened I bet there's a simple/different reason and solution.
Either way, there are so many online casinos available with live games it would take you the rest of your life to get banned from them all.
Stick to your 80% hit rate Roulette until you make yourself a mint. The jack around with Baccarat.
STOP CASHING OUT SO FREQUENTLY!!! Let your accounts build up and then cash out.
Frequent cash-outs probably annoy them.
If they actually were worried about this sort of thing, frequent cashouts just bring your account to their attention.
People are winning and cashing out hundreds of thousands online.
With an 80% hit rate on roulette, it's like free money, you could afford to bet big and win a crap ton. You could afford to give up some extra vig.
With multiple different casinos, you could build them all up with big balances and then give up some vig with a series of round-robin sports bet parlays ensuring all the money ends up in one account while all the others show a loss.♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 24th, 2023 at 7:01:33 PM
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Okay, I'll bite... If winning $1,000 is no easier or harder than winning a dime, then why aren't you winning $1,000?
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Online? How long do you think one of these casinos is going to put up with somebody consistently winning $1,000 bets and never making deposits and only making withdrawals. It's something I worry about every day and now I have a casino that looks like it backed me off, remember that from the other thread? That still has not been resolved. The only way you're ever going to get away with making those kind of bets and winning consistently is in a city full of casinos where you would have to live and do it everyday. Yuck.
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You also stated in the other thread that these were state run so you had the law on your side.
That you were going to make formal complaints.
And anyway the money you could make betting $1000 a hand would offset the longevity of betting $5 a hand. In other words you would make money one hundred times faster so if they shut you down you would be fine and set up.
Now if they shut you down (highly skeptical but if) then you have nothing but enough to pay for some candles.
AP 101: If you truly have a winning method hit hard and hit fast because they will shut you down regardless.
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Pretty hilarious. After pointing out they eventually would catch on and shut him down anyway even for low stakes and it's AP 101 to go hard and go fast...
EB defends his decision by pointing to someone who went low got caught and now has nothing to show for it.
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Not True, Bob wouldn't have to be in the casinos daily and live in a big casino town.
Betting large would make it so you could/would have to do it significantly less often. There's ZERO chance they shut down Bob for winning.
Whatever happened I bet there's a simple/different reason and solution.
Either way, there are so many online casinos available with live games it would take you the rest of your life to get banned from them all.
Stick to your 80% hit rate Roulette until you make yourself a mint. Then jack around with Baccarat.
STOP CASHING OUT SO FREQUENTLY!!! Let your accounts build up and then cash out.
Frequent cash-outs probably annoy them.
If they actually were worried about this sort of thing, frequent cashouts just bring your account to their attention.
People are winning and cashing out hundreds of thousands online.
With an 80% hit rate on roulette, it's like free money, you could afford to bet big and win a crap ton. You could afford to give up some extra vig.
With multiple different casinos, you could build them all up with big balances and then give up some vig with a series of round-robin sports bet parlays ensuring all the money ends up in one account while all the others show a loss.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 24th, 2023 at 7:02:19 PM
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Trust me I agree EB did not get shut down playing roulette. He had a technical glitch he was too scared to fight because he imagines he is a casino threat.
But I thought it fascinating he sees the same thing I do when it comes to hitting hard with an advantage and learned nothing from it
But I thought it fascinating he sees the same thing I do when it comes to hitting hard with an advantage and learned nothing from it
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 24th, 2023 at 7:12:04 PM
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My quotes got messed up, I know you know, no one sane here actually believes the casino shut him down for winning. He believes in ghosts(?) If so, who knows what's going on in his head, he might actually be paranoid enough to think the casinos are watching him and his bill-paying roulette system. He thinks some Indian joint cared about 150-250 bucks.Quote: darkozTrust me I agree EB did not get shut down playing roulette. He had a technical glitch he was too scared to fight because he imagines he is a casino threat.
But I thought it fascinating he sees the same thing I do when it comes to hitting hard with an advantage and learned nothing from it
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 24th, 2023 at 7:52:21 PM
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How I feel about having to read this thread as part of my moderator duties:
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
August 24th, 2023 at 7:59:32 PM
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Just do what OnceDear and BBB did.Quote: gordonm888How I feel about having to read this thread as part of my moderator duties:
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 24th, 2023 at 9:32:36 PM
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Quote: gordonm888How I feel about having to read this thread as part of my moderator duties:
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I don't read a lot of the posts because I don't have time. They're just repetitive anyway, they say exactly the same things they've been saying for months. What's the point. Bob doesn't do this and Bob doesn't do that and hahaha Bob, blah blah blah. Absolutely none of it changes the facts, their dream world posts are not reality.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 24th, 2023 at 9:43:25 PM
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I don't read a lot of the posts because I don't have time. They're just repetitive anyway, they say exactly the same things they've been saying for months. What's the point. Bob doesn't do this and Bob doesn't do that and hahaha Bob, blah blah blah. Absolutely none of it changes the facts, their dream world posts are not reality.
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STOP CASHING OUT SO FREQUENTLY!!! Let your accounts build up and then cash out.
Frequent cash-outs probably annoy them.
If they actually were worried about this sort of thing, frequent cashouts just bring your account to their attention.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 24th, 2023 at 9:48:25 PM
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This has long been my theory. I totally agree with the math that shows you cannot beat random outcomes in the long term. But I don't bet in the long term, I bet in the extreme short-term. And as everybody knows absolutely anything can happen in the extreme short term. You see things that never show up in the extreme long-term math results.
I also agree that if you bet randomly against random outcomes in the extreme short-term the math will mostly apply to you almost immediately. What if you do not bet randomly, if you're very careful about only betting in the extreme short-term where experience has showed you that you might have a better than average chance of being right, then the math that applies to long-term results does not apply to you right at that minute. Because the long-term math is always arrived at by making random bets against random outcomes. You are not doing that. You are not beating the math you're simply finding a chink in the maths armor.
Now you will say no no no, all the little short-term strung together add up to the long term. But no they don't, because you are not betting randomly so the individual sessions are independent and stand alone. Now you will say but you can't bet anything but randomly against random outcomes. I used to call it reading random, if you learn how to read random correctly you will see that at times there's a certain sameness to it in these games that are not using very many numbers. There's only so many things it can do and it does a lot of those things over and over and over and you can exploit that with enough experience by jumping in and making a non random bet.
I also agree that if you bet randomly against random outcomes in the extreme short-term the math will mostly apply to you almost immediately. What if you do not bet randomly, if you're very careful about only betting in the extreme short-term where experience has showed you that you might have a better than average chance of being right, then the math that applies to long-term results does not apply to you right at that minute. Because the long-term math is always arrived at by making random bets against random outcomes. You are not doing that. You are not beating the math you're simply finding a chink in the maths armor.
Now you will say no no no, all the little short-term strung together add up to the long term. But no they don't, because you are not betting randomly so the individual sessions are independent and stand alone. Now you will say but you can't bet anything but randomly against random outcomes. I used to call it reading random, if you learn how to read random correctly you will see that at times there's a certain sameness to it in these games that are not using very many numbers. There's only so many things it can do and it does a lot of those things over and over and over and you can exploit that with enough experience by jumping in and making a non random bet.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 24th, 2023 at 10:41:34 PM
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Quote: EvenBobThis has long been my theory. I totally agree with the math that shows you cannot beat random outcomes in the long term. But I don't bet in the long term, I bet in the extreme short-term.
ROFLMAO
It's mindboggling how you don't understand lots of extreme short-terms turn into the long-term.
Send that Via PM to Mike please and see what he has to say. Send that to any legitimate gaming/math expert and see what they have to say.
Vermenti, Gr8player, B79, Rob Singer, etc., etc. all echo this short-term sentiment.
That is exactly what system players say. You are a SYSTEM player.
Your system can't work in theory, or in practice.
If there is no math that can show one has a 100%+ advantage then there's no method, there's just a ploppy -EV losing betting system.
Congratulations, you found a way to supercomplicate a BETTING SYSTEM. Don't forget to stay hydrated, that helps too.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 24th, 2023 at 11:17:01 PM
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It's mindboggling how you don't understand lots of extreme short-terms turn into the long-term.
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As usual, you ignore what I write. Yes betting randomly short-term, all those short-terms turn into the long term. But if you're betting non randomly against random outcomes they do not, then they are stand alone sessions. You're posting the wrong argument, you're supposed to say that you cannot bet non randomly against random outcomes. Wanna bet? The math concerning long-term random outcomes is absolutely solid. Doesn't mean there aren't ways you can slip in and out of it for brief snippets of time.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 25th, 2023 at 2:00:51 AM
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I used to call it reading random, if you learn how to read random correctly
he got that from gamblingforums.com - a guy who calls himself Gizmotron - who is still working on a forever thread he calls "Reading Randomness" - see link
here is some of Gizmo's nonsense - Enjoy
"All it takes is being trained in order to see it. If you know you are going to win the next 10 hands, because a perfect pattern keeps repeating, then why would you let the chance pass? All it takes is a single lost bet to know it ended. Meanwhile it could pay off for the next 10 or 20 hands. All I'm saying is that along with simple characteristics there includes the 𝙀𝙇𝙀𝙂𝘼𝙉𝙏 𝙋𝘼𝙏𝙏𝙀𝙍𝙉. There is the 𝙂𝙇𝙊𝘽𝘼𝙇 𝙀𝙁𝙁𝙀𝘾𝙏 too. It can be a 85% pure characteristic that goes on and on for an hour or more. But if you can't see it then there is no way to exploit that either. It's all about reading the landscape and being aware. "
he blabbers quite a bit in this thread about the "Elegant Pattern" and the "Global Effect"
https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/reading-randomness.14733/
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
August 25th, 2023 at 3:29:22 AM
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I noticed some non-EvenBob-like posts that seem like they were pieced together from someone else. I couldn't remember that guy's name since there are quite a few loony crackpots over there that have similar theories to Bob's, but theirs sound much better, and they have actual charts, statistics, and math. None of it is +EV, but it's something.Quote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBob
I used to call it reading random, if you learn how to read random correctly
he got that from gamblingforums.com - a guy who calls himself Gizmotron - who is still working on a forever thread he calls "Reading Randomness" - see link
here is some of Gizmo's nonsense - Enjoy
"All it takes is being trained in order to see it. If you know you are going to win the next 10 hands, because a perfect pattern keeps repeating, then why would you let the chance pass? All it takes is a single lost bet to know it ended. Meanwhile it could pay off for the next 10 or 20 hands. All I'm saying is that along with simple characteristics there includes the 𝙀𝙇𝙀𝙂𝘼𝙉𝙏 𝙋𝘼𝙏𝙏𝙀𝙍𝙉. There is the 𝙂𝙇𝙊𝘽𝘼𝙇 𝙀𝙁𝙁𝙀𝘾𝙏 too. It can be a 85% pure characteristic that goes on and on for an hour or more. But if you can't see it then there is no way to exploit that either. It's all about reading the landscape and being aware. "
he blabbers quite a bit in this thread about the "Elegant Pattern" and the "Global Effect"
https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/reading-randomness.14733/
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 25th, 2023 at 3:59:57 AM
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I don't play Blackjack,
I get a kick out of this one
he has decided not to play the one table game where it's well proven that a player can obtain an advantage
EB logic - the gift that keeps on giving
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
August 25th, 2023 at 6:16:02 AM
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Quote: lilredrooster...he has decided not to play the one table game where it's well proven that a player can obtain an advantage
Theoretical advantage provided you count and play with computer-like precision. You also need a very large bankroll.
Baccarat cannot be beaten, but there is nothing wrong with following and betting only Banker. If you see PBBPBBP, what's your next bet? Not hard. Probably a 50.3% chance of winning that bet. If anything, you bet less, you lose less.
August 25th, 2023 at 7:14:39 AM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBob
I used to call it reading random, if you learn how to read random correctly
he got that from gamblingforums.com - a guy who calls himself Gizmotron - who is still working on a forever thread he calls "Reading Randomness" - see link
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Nope, if you look into it further you will find Gizmo fully admits that I'm the one that came up with the term about 15 years ago. I coined the term reading randomness not him. He did come up with Global Effect and I've never said he didn't., you can't play for very long without noticing that Global Effect is a very real thing. Gizmo is a friend of mine very smart guy, far smarter than I am about all this.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 25th, 2023 at 7:20:45 AM
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I noticed some non-EvenBob-like posts that seem like they were pieced together from someone else. I couldn't remember that guy's name since there are quite a few loony crackpots over there that have similar theories to Bob's, but theirs sound much better, and they have actual charts, statistics, and math. None of it is +EV, but it's something.Quote: AxelWolf
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Gizmo and I go way back to Gamblers Glen. He is very good at coming up with charts and tracking things. I've never had any interest in that I just want to play and make money. You should listen to Gizmo he knows what he's talking about. I have a lot of posts over there also but I lost my password and I don't know how to get back in. I came up with the term reading random and he exploited it which is fine with me. I can't believe you've never heard of Gizmo before did you think I was the only one doing this? LOL
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 25th, 2023 at 7:22:39 AM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBob
I don't play Blackjack,
I get a kick out of this one
he has decided not to play the one table game where it's well proven that a player can obtain an advantage
EB logic - the gift that keeps on giving
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The advantage you get at Blackjack is way too small, ridiculously small. The advantage I get is much much higher. You cannot go up to a blackjack table and sit down and make one or two units and walk away. It doesn't work that way.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 25th, 2023 at 7:26:56 AM
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Quote: TankoQuote: lilredrooster...he has decided not to play the one table game where it's well proven that a player can obtain an advantage
Theoretical advantage provided you count and play with computer-like precision. You also need a very large bankroll.
Baccarat cannot be beaten, but there is nothing wrong with following and betting only Banker. If you see PBBPBBP, what's your next bet? Not hard. Probably a 50.3% chance of winning that bet. If anything, you bet less, you lose less.
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None of these games can be beaten, all you can do is find ways to shoehorn your way in and exploit them for a very short time and then get out. That is not beating them. Knowing when to get in and knowing when to get out is what you have to learn and it takes a long time. Right now for the last couple of days all I've seen is crap from the live baccarat tables online. So I know not to play cuz I would lose. I haven't checked yet today, maybe it's gotten better. It goes in Cycles like everything else when you're dealing with random outcome.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 25th, 2023 at 7:31:50 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBob
I don't play Blackjack,
I get a kick out of this one
he has decided not to play the one table game where it's well proven that a player can obtain an advantage
EB logic - the gift that keeps on giving
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The advantage you get at Blackjack is way too small, ridiculously small. The advantage I get is much much higher. You cannot go up to a blackjack table and sit down and make one or two units and walk away. It doesn't work that way.
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right, sure - I got it
I know because when I was younger I played tons and tons of BJ
it's hard - and time consuming
and what you do is easy
hit and run
EZ money
you found what so many gamblers are looking for
you found the holy grail
you found the ultimate truth of things with Elegant Patterns and the Global Effect
congratulations
all you have to do is prove it and you will become world famous
I think somewhere you said you didn't want to be famous - but please - you should share your great gifts with the entire world - take pity on the people yearning to comprehend your very special knowledge
somebody should make a book and movie about you
it's that important - it's that BIG - it's HUGE - yes it is
a tremendous opportunity is being missed out on
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August 25th, 2023 at 7:52:57 AM
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Quote: EvenBob
None of these games can be beaten, all you can do is find ways to shoehorn your way in and exploit them for a very short time and then get out. That is not beating them. Knowing when to get in and knowing when to get out is what you have to learn and it takes a long time. Right now for the last couple of days all I've seen is crap from the live baccarat tables online. So I know not to play cuz I would lose. I haven't checked yet today, maybe it's gotten better. It goes in Cycles like everything else when you're dealing with random outcome.
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Is this insight of when to get in and when to get out (profitably) something you can teach?
I'm about ready to kick back and enjoy the easy income this seems to offer, if it's something I can learn.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 25th, 2023 at 8:07:42 AM
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Quote: Dieter
Is this insight of when to get in and when to get out (profitably) something you can teach?
I'm about ready to kick back and enjoy the easy income this seems to offer, if it's something I can learn.
I'm very, very sorry to inform you that you will not be taught how to do it
you won't be kicking back and enjoying easy income
again, so sorry - I really am - I'd like to help - but I can't
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August 25th, 2023 at 8:20:23 AM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: Dieter
Is this insight of when to get in and when to get out (profitably) something you can teach?
I'm about ready to kick back and enjoy the easy income this seems to offer, if it's something I can learn.
I'm very, very sorry to inform you that you will not be taught how to do it
you won't be kicking back and enjoying easy income
again, so sorry - I really am - I'd like to help - but I can't
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Well, nuts. Back to the salt mines, I suppose.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 25th, 2023 at 8:28:31 AM
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Quote: lilredrooster
and what you do is easy
hit and run
EZ money
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Not easy just less time consuming. If this was easy everybody would be doing it. And it's not hit and run, it's win and leave. Or you can stay and pay, take your pick. The entire casino mentality revolves around getting people to stay and pay, they absolutely hate people that win and leave. It goes against their entire business model. Like Benny Binion used to say, his job was not done until the customers last personal check to him bounced. Until he got the guy to stay in his Casino so long that he spent every dime he can get his hands on. That was the casino model then and it hasn't changed.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 25th, 2023 at 8:34:25 AM
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Quote: Dieter
Is this insight of when to get in and when to get out (profitably) something you can teach?
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You ever try to teach anything, it's monstrously hard. I was a history major in college as I've said here before and I wanted to be a teacher. To be a teacher you had to take classes on how to teach. Now they require a degree in how to teach. Teaching anything is not easy and I would have no idea how to teach this. And no offense, but why would I do it anyway. What do I get out of it except a lot of time spent.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
