Kens 4 number method, flat betting
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I'll list the 9 sets of numbers >>
0 wheel
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A) 5-6-22-32
B) 15-18-24-27
C) 13-16-19-29
D) 4-7-33-36
E) 1-11-21-28
H) 2-12-20-30
J) 8-14-25-35
K) 3-17-23-31
L) 9-10-26-34....(No 0 in the mix)
9 sets for the 00 wheel >>
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A) 0-00-17-18
B) 5-6-27-28
C) 9-10-21-22
D) 25-26-33-34
E) 15-16-29-30
H) 3-4-11-12
J) 7-8-23-24
K) 19-20-35-36
L) 13-14-31-32 (No 1 or 2 in the mix)
Notice something with the sets of numbers (either wheel), the numbers are all spaced out evenly. To start off >> Track the first 18 spins. I will use the SINGLE zero wheel for this example. 20 hits: write H.
32 hits: write A
34 hits: write L
1 hits: write E
0 hits: write...nothing. etc etc until you have 18 tracked NOT counting if a 0 hits OR a 1 or 2 on the 00 wheel.
We have read, perhaps played methods regarding a TREND for the outside bets, correct? Well, this is TREND betting for the inside, 4 numbers.
I use to bet on the furthest back unhit set but lost too much so I CORRECTED the mistake, just like you're suppose to. If the spins are fast, you must always be looking at your list of 18 so you can DECIDE fast enough.
We will be betting on the 'letter' (4 numbers) that have appeared the MOST in the last 18 recorded, real simple. In other words.....what is temporarily HOT at the time. Flat bet those 4 numbers with the *SAME* unit sizes per spin. I do it at $15 per, $60 per spin.
As each NEW 'letter' you jot down, cross off the furthest back hit 'letter'. You will always have 18. Never more, never less. What about a tie? Usually (not always) it will be 4 hits within the 18 recorded.
Sometimes it might be a TIE with 3 or even 4. Take either one as a tie breaker (base it on nothing) but NOT both sets of 4. In terms of averages, we only need one hit in 9 spins...which means 2 hits within the 18 spins.
Anything over the 2 hits, is profit. Quite a few times you will have 5-6 hits within the 18. What I like about this method.....as one set is becoming cold (dropping out of the 18) a DIFFERENT set is now becoming hot and you will be on it. I also like the idea of spreading out the 4 numbers evenly. As soon as that ball passes one of your bet numbers, its coming up in only a few more pockets on another one of your bets! When to leave/quit? Its up to you. This method has NOTHING to do with sessions.
SIDENOTE: You noticed I skipped a couple letters. The 'F' and the 'G'. But why?
Again, I corrected a problem. The C and G look too much alike, I was making mistakes if I was looking too fast. The E and F look too much alike, I was making mistakes if I was looking too fast.
Disclaimer: There are risks involved when playing methods and you can lose alot of money. Not all days are winning days. Please play responsibly and never drive while intoxicated.
Questions? Ken
Quote: mrjjjI win, you don't.
You play, we don't. Roulette has the highest house edge in the casino...
Ken
Quote: mrjjjI win, you don't.
-5.26%
Quote: mrjjj....and again, what casino game with a ZERO house advantage do you play? (and of course kick a** at) I dont care if the HA is .000000000001, you'll still LOSE in the long term. Slower than me? Perhaps but its still a long term loser.
Ken
I'm not sure what your point is here. Nobody here has said anything about a zero EV game. Roulette cannot be beaten without cheating, and it certainly can't be beaten by assigning sets of inside numbers to letters and watching the readerboard for trends or patterns.
If you want to gain a sustainable edge in a casino, learn to count cards, learn the strategy for FPDW, learn the strategy for hold'em, or learn to handicap sports better than the sportsbook. Those are games in which a skilled player (with lots of time on his or her hands) can come out ahead of the house. Not so with roulette. Roulette should be played for entertainment only.
If "entertainment" is pretending you have a betting pattern that can beat a typical American roulette game, so be it.
Quote: ElectricDreamsMan, that's a lot of work involved just to play roulette. If it keeps the game interesting, I guess, more power to you.
Thats actually very little work. Going back to my statement a couple days ago.....I would guess maybe only 5% of players actually play a method. The explanation might be a bit long but playing it, quite easy. Also, if a table has a low min. bet, you can still play with 4 numbers. Not real sure I would want to only put $2 on per number but I guess you could.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjYou never answered my question mkl, big surprise! lol
I did. -5.26%. Lol.
Quote: MathExtremistI'm not sure what your point is here. Nobody here has said anything about a zero EV game. Roulette cannot be beaten without cheating, and it certainly can't be beaten by assigning sets of inside numbers to letters and watching the readerboard for trends or patterns.
If you want to gain a sustainable edge in a casino, learn to count cards, learn the strategy for FPDW, learn the strategy for hold'em, or learn to handicap sports better than the sportsbook. Those are games in which a skilled player (with lots of time on his or her hands) can come out ahead of the house. Not so with roulette. Roulette should be played for entertainment only.
If "entertainment" is pretending you have a betting pattern that can beat a typical American roulette game, so be it.
Sports betting? You dont pay the 10% vig? Must be nice, not to mention, I am talking about table games. I love the 'outs' some people have. ROFL
Count cards
AP (cough)....Learning 'strategies' is fine and dandy but are you then saying the HA (only for YOU) is 0%? Just asking.
Ken
Quote: mkl654321I did. -5.26%. Lol.
That wasn't my question, lets try again. (Are you related to Keyser? lol) What casino game do you play with a zero HA?
Ken
Quote: mrjjjSports betting? You dont pay the 10% vig? Must be nice, not to mention, I am talking about table games. I love the 'outs' some people have. ROFL
Count cards
AP (cough)....Learning 'strategies' is fine and dandy but are you then saying the HA (only for YOU) is 0%? Just asking.
Ken
No, I'm saying that the EV for everyone who successfully practices the aforementioned list is >0%. Blackjack card counting, holecarding at several games, those are all beatable propositions. As to sports betting, yes, that's very beatable. You just need to be 10% better than the house, which (unlike house-banked games) is based on other peoples' odds-making abilities. Or go online where the vig is lower. Same for poker - you just need to beat the other players by the amount of the rake, usually 3%.
I won't say lots of people can do this, but certainly enough can. If you'd stop focusing on roulette, you perhaps could be one of them.
Quote: MathExtremistNo, I'm saying that the EV for everyone who successfully practices the aforementioned list is >0%. Blackjack card counting, holecarding at several games, those are all beatable propositions. As to sports betting, yes, that's very beatable. You just need to be 10% better than the house, which (unlike house-banked games) is based on other peoples' odds-making abilities. Or go online where the vig is lower. Same for poker - you just need to beat the other players by the amount of the rake, usually 3%.
I won't say lots of people can do this, but certainly enough can. If you'd stop focusing on roulette, you perhaps could be one of them.
A) I'll never quit roulette, its too damn easy.
B) Of all the times I asked that question (MANY times), you have to be the FIRST to say 0%. ROFL
Granted, most that were asked ended up running and hiding from the question.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjB) Of all the times I asked that question (MANY times), you have to be the FIRST to say 0%. ROFL
I didn't say 0, I said >0. And I'm not sure what's "ROFL" about the idea that card-counting is +EV. It's old, old news.
"They may be surprised to learn that they must keep track of only four cards -- the Fives -- and that this additional information, combined with minor strategy changes, is enough to give the player a comfortable 3-per cent edge!"
-- Edward O. Thorp, "Beat The Dealer" p. 5, 1962
Quote: MathExtremistI didn't say 0, I said >0. And I'm not sure what's "ROFL" about the idea that card-counting is +EV. It's old, old news.
"They may be surprised to learn that they must keep track of only four cards -- the Fives -- and that this additional information, combined with minor strategy changes, is enough to give the player a comfortable 3-per cent edge!"
-- Edward O. Thorp, "Beat The Dealer" p. 5, 1962
You left something out, this is your quote..... "who successfully practices the aforementioned list is >0%"
Ken
Ken
Quote: mrjjjIn terms of card counting, give me an estimate in terms of what the HA would be, if anything? And where you got your info from. Thanks man.
I don't believe the quote from Dr. Thorp was unclear in any respect, nor was its source. You can find plenty of information on card counting on the Internet and in gambling book stores, including how to do it and what your expectation should be.
Ken
Ken
Quote: boymimboZero HA? I hang at a craps table and max out everyone's odds!!! :)
Its in reference to counting cards in blackjack. If someone was an expert (cough), would the HA drop to 0%?
Ken
Quote: mrjjjIts in reference to counting cards in blackjack. If someone was an expert (cough), would the HA drop to 0%?
Ken
No, it would drop beneath 0%. A skilled card-counter has the edge over the casino, not vice-versa.
Quote: MathExtremistNo, it would drop beneath 0%. A skilled card-counter has the edge over the casino, not vice-versa.
I'll have to post that question on another site.
Ken
A) Does it matter in terms of how MANY decks?
B) What about these machines that constantly shuffle the cards? In other words, the high cards and low cards are never really out of the mix.
Ken
No, hang on, let me try his method of getting attention. I think it goes like this...
Here's a really good question for you all. I'd like to know how long it will take before mrjjj responds to this post. I'd like someone to tell me WHEN he'll respond and WHY. LOL
Quote: TheNightflyWould someone buy this guy a puppy or something?
No, hang on, let me try his method of getting attention. I think it goes like this...
Here's a really good question for you all. I'd like to know how long it will take before mrjjj responds to this post. I'd like someone to tell me WHEN he'll respond and WHY. LOL
I can answer why, thats easy. You post HERE so you can CAUSE trouble. If you dont like the thread for any reason, stay off of it. Problem solved coolbreeze.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjA couple points/questions, anyone can answer.
A) Does it matter in terms of how MANY decks?
B) What about these machines that constantly shuffle the cards? In other words, the high cards and low cards are never really out of the mix.
Ken
a) of course
b) counting doesn't work on continuously shuffled games
This is all explained in about 800 different places all over the internet and in dozens of books, as well.
Here is a link to the Wiz's discussion of his own very simple ace-five count. . It shows a total swing to the player of about .8%, turning a .5% house advantage into a .3% player advantage. More complicated counting methods and more aggressive bet spreads result in even greater player advantages.
Quote: mrjjjJohn Patrick nailed it best >> "Card Counting only allows the player to know the inbalance of non tens to ten value cards as related to the neutral deck of two and a quarter non tens to ten value cards "
That's not true for all counts, but more importantly, even knowing "only" what counting allows you to know is sufficient for a skilled player to obtain an advantage. If you're implying that Patrick's statement somehow indicates that card counting is ineffective, you're incorrect.
Quote: MathExtremistThat's not true for all counts, but more importantly, even knowing "only" what counting allows you to know is sufficient for a skilled player to obtain an advantage. If you're implying that Patrick's statement somehow indicates that card counting is ineffective, you're incorrect.
I appreciate your opinion bro.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjI appreciate your opinion bro.
Does that mean you disagree? Do you for a moment believe that card counting is fundamentally unsound?
Quote: mrjjjEasy to play and flat betting. Only 4 numbers to bet. I have great results at Dublin, only practice money. Also great results playing at the casino, 00 wheel.
So are you saying that aside from finding a biased physical wheel with an unusual bias that goes in predictable circles around it rather than stay in one place, you also found a biased electronic wheel for play money, and both have the same bias?
Quote: P90So are you saying that aside from finding a biased physical wheel with an unusual bias that goes in predictable circles around it rather than stay in one place, you also found a biased electronic wheel for play money, and both have the same bias?
"biased physical wheel" >>> Whats that? I think I saw that in the movie.....'Blade Runner' with Harrison Ford.
Ken
Quote: mrjjj"biased physical wheel" >>> Whats that?
Biased roulette wheel in a brick and mortar casino. Finding a biased wheel is one of the only four known ways of making consistent profit off roulette.
Quote: P90Biased roulette wheel in a brick and mortar casino. Finding a biased wheel is one of the only four known ways of making consistent profit off roulette.
OK, I'll bite.
1. Biased wheel
2. "Clocking" the wheel to attempt to predict where the ball will land
3. Cheating (past posting, stealing from the table when the dealer isn't looking, etc.) without getting caught
4. ...???
I'm honestly at a loss...
Quote: OneAngryDwarfOK, I'll bite.
1. Biased wheel
2. "Clocking" the wheel to attempt to predict where the ball will land
3. Cheating (past posting, stealing from the table when the dealer isn't looking, etc.) without getting caught
4. ...???
I'm honestly at a loss...
Actually my list was rather:
1. Finding a biased wheel.
2. Cheating, including clocking with a device.
3. Making or distributing roulette wheels.
4. Operating roulette wheels.
Though, thinking of it, there are really five ways:
5. Selling systems for beating roulette.
