THE CHALLENGE THREAD (split)

There is no poker challenge. In the thread about Robbi/Garrett I mentioned that my belief that AWolf is poor at reading people comes from that he misread me (originally thought I was some fictitious person who didn't even play in casinos), and misread Robbi, so then AWolf proposed that he and I play poker together. He does things like that, jump to some unrelated conclusion from a mixed bag of facts.

During the same time as he proposed this heads up poker game he and I had been exchanging PMs about what one person from these forums who has met him is saying about him, and there is absolutely no way I would consent to meeting AxelWolf until I understand why that person is saying those things about him. If AxelWolf would like to air that issue publicly, fine, otherwise it remains private.

Plus as well someone who knows both AxelWolf and me a while back stated definitely that can't imagine any challenge that I should ever undertake with AxelWolf. So there's that too.

There is no poker challenge, just something he tossed out there. AxelWolf tosses a lot of stuff out there, like when he offered to buy the Wizard's watch sight unseen. What came of that?

As far as FranchiseTaxBoard, I don't trust that name as I think must be on the Dark Side. Never liked the FTB and their taxes.



1) AWolf made an unconditional offer to buy Wizard's watch. Later, he qualified this by saying that he'd buy it "only if it was a good deal."
Wizard let him out of the offer anyway, so that issue is over now.

Quote: AxelWolf

What leads you to believe any of that is real? We have seen member's fake such things.

Should I go though the trouble of faking all the things he's posted up?

2) AWolf stated more than once that he could create a faked Adventures of MDawg thread that would look just as genuine as my real thing.
He's been challenged to do so, first post of a thread, but apparently then claimed that he is too "bored" to get around to doing it.

3) Out of the blue, on his own, Awolf jumped to bet DRich and KewlJ that I was not a high roller and never bet in the sums or way I claimed in my day to day trip reports of sessions, i.e. that I was like some banned former member who he contends turned out to be a complete fraud. He asked if there were any other "takers" for this action - this proposed bet of his. I accepted his wager instantly.
When pressed, he came up with all sorts of qualifiers as to why he couldn't make such a bet without further thought.

Someone mentioned jumping the shark. What about jumping the gun with making offers, claims and bets? that are later essentially rescinded.

There is no poker challenge, and based on prior history I don't take this (or other) AxelWolf challenges seriously.

Quote: FTB

Yes.

And to recap...

Someone said in that ridiculous roulette thread that he was confident he could beat another forum member at heads up poker and believed that forum member has poor reads on people, including on that someone.

Sure enough, said forum member threw down the gauntlet (and stated said gauntlet was thrown down before, only to be met with excuses).

As predicted, more excuses followed by that someone and the poker-related challenge was not accepted, which might lead some to say that someone should not share their empty beliefs if one isn't prepared to back up the talk.

I guess it was just all talk after all...
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I have a feeling he is crafting some ridiculous terms that he is all but certain I won't agree to. Perhaps he will come up with some mumbo-jumbo "I'm out to get him" nonsense.
Aside from banter and BS related to this forum and calling out some BS, I have zero interest in MDawg. Heck, I'm the one who suggested he not post in real-time for his own safety. I told him how giving TMI could easily lead to someone identifying him.
I have chastised people for suggesting people actively seek him out. Given his past actions, I have more reasons to believe he would be more inclined to engage in shenanigans of that nature.

I have met a significant amount of people from the forums, I have done business with many people from the forum and throughout the community, I have had multiple people from the forum to my home, and I have been to their homes. No legitimate person will claim I am or have been up to anything nefarious. I have a good reputation and I'm certainly not going to put that in jeopardy, especially over something related to MD.


While I have some fun and exciting adventures as an Advantage Player.
I mostly live a simple life, I'm very content and happy. I'm fairly chill, and I help people whenever needed(within reason). I like to enjoy some hobbies, I love to make friends, tell and hear true stories, have fun, bust balls, joke, engage in competition and comradery, and make money.

Edit to Add: Looks as if I was writing this as MD posted and sure enough mumbo-jumbo.

Quote: AxelWolf

Heck, I'm the one who suggested he not post in real-time for his own safety. I told him how giving TMI could easily lead to someone identifying him.
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I will give him that.

Quote: MDawg

Plus as well someone who knows both AxelWolf and me a while back stated definitely that can't imagine any challenge that I should ever undertake with AxelWolf. So there's that too.

I don't have time to go over your entire post now, I skimmed it and this jumped out at me. You are making this sounds as if the reason you shouldn't undertake any challenge with AxelWolf as if there's some nefarious reason not to.

I ask that you relay the proper context of that. Please quote the post and posts relating to it. I have a feeling they said that because they were of the thinking you would most likely be big a Dawg to win any challenges with me, therefore it would be foolish. We should ask whomever it was to clarify if it's not clear.

And when you say "we both know" Have you actually met them in person?

Quote: MDawg

Quote: AxelWolf

Heck, I'm the one who suggested he not post in real-time for his own safety. I told him how giving TMI could easily lead to someone identifying him.
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I will give him that.
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Good.

Now please address my last post I'm not going any further until we have clarification. I believe it was said, but I believe it's been taken out of context. If you're unwilling to, I will be asking Mike to step in.

Quote: MDawg

There is no poker challenge, and based on prior history I don't take this (or other) AxelWolf challenges seriously.
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He challenged you to a game of poker where the stakes are $12,000 total.

So, the challenge is real, you are just turning it down, as is your right.

What I meant by this post here is that he does that a lot, and then later backs down. I gave examples.

I'm raking in deng from the casinos most every session. I'm supposed to drop that in exchange for something that isn't even yet clarified as to exactly what it is? with someone that I'm reluctant to meet in person?

Quote: MDawg

What I meant by this post here is that he does that a lot, and then later backs down. I gave examples.
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Whatever the case, I don't see him backing down from a heads-up poker game that is well within his means.

Quote: MDawg

What I meant by this post here is that he does that a lot, and then later backs down. I gave examples.

I'm raking in deng from the casinos most every session. I'm supposed to drop that in exchange for something that isn't even yet clarified as to exactly what it is? with someone that I'm reluctant to meet in person?
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You haven't sent me a PM with your with your stipulations or concerns.

I wasn't the one who got suspended for backing out of anything, however, you have been for making a disingenuous challenge. I actually put up money with Mike regarding that challenge, you never did. You were able to back out of that challenge via a fairly long suspension.

Regarding the Rolex, Mike miss communicated the offer and you had a chance to correct him, yet you let the miss information stand, that's absolutely deceptive. I was willing to buy it at the price Mike was suggesting you offered, but he wasn't willing to sell it for that. You should've immediately said Mike was wrong, but you wanted us to believe something that wasn't true and you wanted to play games.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: MDawg

Plus as well someone who knows both AxelWolf and me a while back stated definitely that can't imagine any challenge that I should ever undertake with AxelWolf. So there's that too.

I don't have time to go over your entire post now, I skimmed it and this jumped out at me. You are making this sounds as if the reason you shouldn't undertake any challenge with AxelWolf as if there's some nefarious reason not to.

I ask that you relay the proper context of that. Please quote the post and posts relating to it. I have a feeling they said that because they were of the thinking you would most likely be big a Dawg to win any challenges with me, therefore it would be foolish. We should ask whomever it was to clarify if it's not clear.

And when you say "we both know" Have you actually met them in person?
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Please adress this post.

I cannot answer that question because it might disclose the identity of the person who advised me against any challenge with you. Or it might not.

Anyway you're asking that question for a reason, and I'm not going to indulge you.

I have some chips anyway. With me, I mean. I can get more of these, free.

Quote: MDawg

I cannot answer that question because it might disclose the identity of the person who advised me against any challenge with you. Or it might not.

Anyway you're asking that question for a reason, and I'm not going to indulge you.
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I don't believe you because I remember someone said it here or on another forum someone like SooPoo, OD, DO or Mission. I remember the context and the post was similar to what you said.

If you're maintaining it was from someone who said it privately, It's total BS that you come up with hearsay from some anonymous source with zero evidence, and then hide behind not disclosing their identity.

We don't know if the source is credible or what they meant. It could be some troll who has an issue with me and an agenda, someone who's never met me and knows nothing about me. Is this the type of stuff this forum is going to allow? What's to stop members from claiming they know someone that knows you and who told them that you were a (insert nefarious content)

If you weren't willing to provide proper context, evidence, or provide a legitimate source then you shouldn't have said it. As per your private messages, you're grasping at straws and I debunked your allegations.

Let us both send the private messages to Mike and let him see if there's any teeth to your BS. Also, allow me permission to mention the 3 sources you mentioned and address those situations so people can decide for themselves. I'm certain anyone with some common sense would laugh given your sources, background, and the situation.

Quote: MDawg

As far as this poker thing with AWolf, he and I have been exchanging PMs on a subject that must be resolved beyond just "Trust me bro" before I will consent to even meeting him for any purposes.
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We weren't discusing the challenge, Poker Challenge was never mentioned one time, you were coming up with nonsense.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: MDawg

As far as this poker thing with AWolf, he and I have been exchanging PMs on a subject that must be resolved beyond just "Trust me bro" before I will consent to even meeting him for any purposes.
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We weren't discusing the challenge, Poker Challenge was never mentioned one time, you were coming up with nonsense.
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Geez guys…. You BOTH know there will be no poker match between Axel and MDawg. Please move on!
There will also be no challenge by EvenBob to show his ‘method’ works as he says it does.

I will remind the forum of 3 ACTUAL challenges, all arranged by SOOPOO (me!), that actually happened!

WoV triathlon. Son of SOOPOO completes run and puzzle requirement but only makes it to 88 of required 100 McNuggets.

HotBlonde Challenge. HotBlonde successfully hits weight loss goal of over 100 pounds.

Craps DI Challege. I forgot name, but guy who claimed to be able to decrease frequency of 7s failed (actually INCREASED) during the challenge.

I’ll pose two more potential challenges if anyone wants to take me up on them.

I will hit as many or more either college or pro 3pointers as any forum member, or ANY person they can get to show up to face me! Yes, I’ll go against Curry or Lillard if you can get them to try and take me down. 20 shots. $200. If it’s an actual forum member who actively participates I’ll go $500. I’ll be in Vegas next week.

My older son will beat any WoV member in a general trivia challenge. $500 on the line. If anyone wants to challenge him at a crossword puzzle contest …..

Clearly, AxelWolf has reported me to the Wizard for not revealing the source of the person who advised me that couldn't think of any challenge I should undertake with AWolf.

LOL in that AWolf has complained in the past that people shouldn't PM moderators with gripes asking for suspensions, but that is now twice just recently that AWolf has done exactly that! Why is it that the guy who complains about such and such usually ends up being the worst offender of whatever he is complaining about?

I will not be disclosing the source unless that person gives me permission. If I am to be suspended for alluding to what was said privately, so be it, I will take it like a man, and still not disclose.

Over all though, once again AWolf is hysterically pressing for something or other, so my dairokkan tells me that something is amiss, and that the topic he and I have been discussing in private, provides valid reasons for not ever meeting him. And yes, if AxelWolf wishes to disclose what he and I have been discussing privately on that specific topic, I already stated above that is fine, do I need to say it twice? Keep in mind that there are WOV rules about what may be posted publicly, while anything may be discussed privately, obviously.

Quote: MDawg

AxelWolf has reported me to the Wizard ...
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MDawg,
How could you know that Axelwolf has reported you to Wizard?

You seem to be reporting something that wizard told you privately. Or you are reporting that Wizard has been indiscrete and leaked personal comms that have now found there way back to you.

Seems inappropriate.

Quote: AxelWolf

Let us both send the private messages to Mike
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What are you talking about? AxelWolf comes on here routinely claiming that I report him privately to the mods now I am saying the same about him. Is he privy to more info than I am? He already posted that he was going to PM the Wizard, so that cat is already out of the bag.

Is it now against the rules to state that a complaint has been filed against me? Obviously it came from AWolf in that he declared that he was going to PM the Wizard. Plus who else would complain about this matter? Use your head.

As far as the prior times, AxelWolf came in and freely admitted that he made the complaints.

The point is - that it's the guy who complains about such and such who is sometimes the biggest offender.

Quote: MDawg

Is it now against the rules to state that a complaint has been filed against me?
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Quote: Rule 4

Respect privacy. Do not post any personal information about someone else that is intended to be private or quote from private communication. This rule applies to protecting the privacy of everybody, but especially forum members.
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I see no recent change in the policy.
I also do not know how you might have come to learn this information.

Quote: MDawg

Quote: AxelWolf

Let us both send the private messages to Mike
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What are you talking about? AxelWolf comes on here routinely claiming that I report him privately to the mods now I am saying the same about him. Is he privy to more info than I am? He already posted that he was going to PM the Wizard, so that cat is already out of the bag.

Is it now against the rules to state that a complaint has been filed against me? Obviously it came from AWolf in that he declared that he was going to PM the Wizard. Plus who else would complain about this matter? Use your head.

As far as the prior times, AxelWolf came in and freely admitted that he made the complaints.

The point is - that it's the guy who complains about such and such who is sometimes the biggest offender.
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Because it is obvious. I am sure that AxelWolf will come in and admit that he made the complaint. One thing I will say about him is that he doesn't have a problem with admitting what he has done.

Making a big deal about nothin' as far as this issue of that a complaint was filed, and by whom. It's obvious by whom.

In each instance in the past he has come in, too, and admitted publicly that he made the complaint.

Quote: MDawg

Plus as well someone who knows both AxelWolf and me a while back stated definitely that can't imagine any challenge that I should ever undertake with AxelWolf. So there's that too.
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I make a public retraction and apology for this.

Quote: MDawg

Quote: MDawg

Quote: AxelWolf

Let us both send the private messages to Mike
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What are you talking about? AxelWolf comes on here routinely claiming that I report him privately to the mods now I am saying the same about him. Is he privy to more info than I am? He already posted that he was going to PM the Wizard, so that cat is already out of the bag.

Is it now against the rules to state that a complaint has been filed against me? Obviously it came from AWolf in that he declared that he was going to PM the Wizard. Plus who else would complain about this matter? Use your head.

As far as the prior times, AxelWolf came in and freely admitted that he made the complaints.

The point is - that it's the guy who complains about such and such who is sometimes the biggest offender.
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Because it is obvious. I am sure that AxelWolf will come in and admit that he made the complaint. One thing I will say about him is that he doesn't have a problem with admitting what he has done.

Making a big deal about nothin' as far as this issue of that a complaint was filed, and by whom. It's obvious by whom.

In each instance in the past he has come in, too, and admitted publicly that he made the complaint.
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Thais because He is a stand up guy by all accounts. I have respect for that very reason and not for any
AP prowess.

Quote: MDawg

Quote: MDawg

Plus as well someone who knows both AxelWolf and me a while back stated definitely that can't imagine any challenge that I should ever undertake with AxelWolf. So there's that too.
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I make a public retraction and apology for this.
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Bravo, gained a few points.

I have a request, You post nice High quality images I am assuming
your using an Apple if its not to much trouble and you happen to
come across some fine art in your adventures post some images
in your thread.

Quote: MDawg

Quote: MDawg

Quote: AxelWolf

Let us both send the private messages to Mike
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What are you talking about? AxelWolf comes on here routinely claiming that I report him privately to the mods now I am saying the same about him. Is he privy to more info than I am? He already posted that he was going to PM the Wizard, so that cat is already out of the bag.

Is it now against the rules to state that a complaint has been filed against me? Obviously it came from AWolf in that he declared that he was going to PM the Wizard. Plus who else would complain about this matter? Use your head.

As far as the prior times, AxelWolf came in and freely admitted that he made the complaints.

The point is - that it's the guy who complains about such and such who is sometimes the biggest offender.
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Because it is obvious. I am sure that AxelWolf will come in and admit that he made the complaint. One thing I will say about him is that he doesn't have a problem with admitting what he has done.

Making a big deal about nothin' as far as this issue of that a complaint was filed, and by whom. It's obvious by whom.

In each instance in the past he has come in, too, and admitted publicly that he made the complaint.
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I just woke up, I have a bunch of PMs and there's much to read. I have things I have to do and don't have much time to deal with this.

There's nothing to admit to, I clearly said, I was going to get Mike involved.

You won't reveal your source because you don't have a legitimate source. I still maintain that someone on the forums said that, but it clearly meant they felt you wouldn't have a chance at legitimately winning a challenge I was willing to participate in. I vaguely remember something like that being said. I believe you have morphed that to fit your agenda.

It's probably in the thread where you made a 5k challenge(I think it was 5k) to anyone claiming they couldn't recreate a fake persona like your adventures.

Again, I ask that you allow me to present the 3 examples you have given me via PM that you have hung your hat on. I think it would show that either your ability to make a good judgment call is severely lacking, or that you'll use any lame straw-grasping excuses you can possibly muster up. But, you already know that.

I'm out for now.

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: MDawg

As far as this poker thing with AWolf, he and I have been exchanging PMs on a subject that must be resolved beyond just "Trust me bro" before I will consent to even meeting him for any purposes.
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We weren't discusing the challenge, Poker Challenge was never mentioned one time, you were coming up with nonsense.
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Geez guys…. You BOTH know there will be no poker match between Axel and MDawg. Please move on!
There will also be no challenge by EvenBob to show his ‘method’ works as he says it does.

I will remind the forum of 3 ACTUAL challenges, all arranged by SOOPOO (me!), that actually happened!

WoV triathlon. Son of SOOPOO completes run and puzzle requirement but only makes it to 88 of required 100 McNuggets.

HotBlonde Challenge. HotBlonde successfully hits weight loss goal of over 100 pounds.

Craps DI Challege. I forgot name, but guy who claimed to be able to decrease frequency of 7s failed (actually INCREASED) during the challenge.

I’ll pose two more potential challenges if anyone wants to take me up on them.

I will hit as many or more either college or pro 3pointers as any forum member, or ANY person they can get to show up to face me! Yes, I’ll go against Curry or Lillard if you can get them to try and take me down. 20 shots. $200. If it’s an actual forum member who actively participates I’ll go $500. I’ll be in Vegas next week.

My older son will beat any WoV member in a general trivia challenge. $500 on the line. If anyone wants to challenge him at a crossword puzzle contest …..
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Mandelbaum! Mandelbaum! Mandelbaum!

Quote: MDawg

During the same time as he proposed this heads up poker game he and I had been exchanging PMs about what one person from these forums who has met him is saying about him, and there is absolutely no way I would consent to meeting AxelWolf until I understand why that person is saying those things about him. If AxelWolf would like to air that issue publicly, fine, otherwise it remains private.

Of course I would. You gave examples of 4 people. I'm simply astonished that you actually take stock and make judgments based on the following people given the situation and previous explanations, both public and private. Don't claim you haven't read my rebuttals in the past and recently.

Let's take a look.
1.) Freddy: A guy I haven't ever met or done business with. As far as I can remember, I haven't had any private communication with him, if I have it was at the very beginning and had absolutely no relevance to this discussion.

Freddy started a thread on a different forum "The Wizard of Vegas is dying"
I believe he was a previously banned member from here. I estimate 90% of his posts(thousands over the last 5 or 6 years) are relentlessly dedicated to bashing and criticizing members of this forum. He has said many horrible things about Mike, BBB, OD, and others including myself, that's his MO.

2.) Monet: Banned from WOV.. I saw and spoke to him once briefly in a casino 8-10 years ago. Then I meet with him and ZK a few years back shooting pool. I communicate with him via text sharing some information and general chat. Even after the meeting, and some texting, he said he was mostly a loner, but was interested in doing AP business with me and my group, but that never happened.

Soon after he was banned here, one day for no good/ logical reason that could be given. He said something about me and being on a high horse regarding my negative views about criminal cheating, such as Finger Fing machines and card marking. I don't think I even said anything negative about the people but only pointed out it was cheating and things I wouldn't want to be involved in nor the people doing it. He had many nasty strange things about me and others... Wizard and BBB. There's more(more accurate timeline and what was said) but I suggest people seek it out and judge for themselves.

He basically said I con/ scam casinos. If legally taking advantage of casinos Advantage Play is scamming/coning casinos wouldn't that make you guilty as well MD? Have you ever admitted to or done the following... Card counting, Hole carding, shuffle tracking, comp scalping, extra +EV beneficial information, NEXT CARD INFORMATION. Information you shouldn't have or be using, things the casino would consider cheating?

3.)Alan Mendelson: I haven't any clue why you used him as an example(Did you even give one?). I haven't met or done any business with him. I don't know that he's ever called into question anything like you have suggested. Yes, I and Alan Have gone back and forth I have relentlessly called him out on things, and he has bitten back.

4.)KewlJ: You claimed he said something he didn't actually say(you admitted to that, no?) I haven't ever met KJ, or done any business with him. Yes, we have had our idiotic feuds over the years(who hasn't had one with him?😛 including yourself), and we both said things we regret. I believe we have patched things up. I like KJ like an internet brother. FYI I explained in fair detail or debunked all the things you mentioned in a pm to me via PM back.

My concussion: You either know better and you are just grasping at straws in an attempt to save face while pretending you have a legitimate reason for not accepting a challenge after your comment...
MD "makes me even more confident that I could beat you at heads up poker!"

If my conclusion is incorrect:
I seriously have to call into question your ability to make sound logical judgments about people when given significant lacking examples and evidence VS a significant amount of evidence and examples to the contrary.

Quote: RogerKint

Mandelbaum! Mandelbaum! Mandelbaum!
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Hey Roger, That was pretty cryptic for us Limeys.
Thanks.
It meant nothing to me, so I googled and found it meant Almond! Almond! Almond.
HUH!
Some gate in Israel?
HUH!
Finally discovered it as a Seifeld theme https://www.reddit.com/r/seinfeld/comments/1g72e5/mandelbaum_mandelbaum_mandelbaum/
Finally...
https://youtu.be/88M9-rBXubA?t=101

Now I get it $:o)

AxelWolf and I exchanged PMs about why the only person I am aware of who has both met him in person and written about him extensively has negative things to say about him. That was the content of our discussions. I gave Axel permission to reveal the content of our PMs here at WOV, and he has done so. I hope we may move on from this matter, I thought we already had.

Quote: MDawg

Also, someone who knows both AWolf and me, said in the past, that couldn't imagine any challenge that I should undertake with AxelWolf, so there is that advice against this as well.
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Pursuant to a complaint received, suspension issued for personal insult. Here is how it is recorded in the Suspension List:

Personal insult. Leniency given for apologizing. Suspension issued because apology was not accepted by the victim.

Quote: Wizard

Quote: MDawg

Also, someone who knows both AWolf and me, said in the past, that couldn't imagine any challenge that I should undertake with AxelWolf, so there is that advice against this as well.
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Pursuant to a complaint received, suspension issued for personal insult. Here is how it is recorded in the Suspension List:

Personal insult. Leniency given for apologizing. Suspension issued because apology was not accepted by the victim.
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That is an insult? Come on! It is possible that it is me that MDawg is referring to. I would TOTALLY recommend that MDawg not accept a challenge from Axel. I know Axel well enough that he would not make a challenge when the odds were not in his favor. Frankly, that is a COMPLIMENT to Axel!!! Not an insult! (If Axel was drunk at the time the challenge was made, all bets are off….)

I hope MDawg is unsuspended and given credit for ‘time served’.

Quote: MDawg

Also, someone who knows both AWolf and me, said in the past, that couldn't imagine any challenge that I should undertake with AxelWolf, so there is that advice against this as well.
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Wizard,
Was this the insult? An implication that a third party had advised against 'dealing with' Axelwolf? A suggestion that AW might not be honorable? An implication that he might turn up in an embarrassing pink onesie? An implication that he might ....(insert anything you wish).....
There is no implication, beyond some unimaginative third party "couldn't imagine any challenge that [MDawg] should undertake with AxelWolf,"

I know the bar for personal insult is pretty low, but this is laughable. That you are influenced by the complainant not dropping the complaint is an absurdity and reflects badly on you.
I'm not the biggest MDawg fan, but this is a bad decision. It will make life harder for your moderators. It might also encourage flippant and litigious complaints, including some from mDawg, if the mood takes him.
It's not for moderators to join in with inter member squabbles, which should generally be recognised for what they are and dismissed with prejudice.
Wizard, If you haven't done so already, poll your moderators.