EvenBob
September 14th, 2022 at 1:19:49 PM
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Quote: WigginsIf he's been so successful he should be able to provide some receipts. Something like this:
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His Roulette system goes to another school, you wouldn't know her...
September 14th, 2022 at 1:24:31 PM
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Quote: SOOPOO
PG…. If you (or I) was the owner, chief administrator, king, of this forum we would allow a silly thread like this to start, and once it became obvious that it was just a troll thread we would eliminate it.
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You feel this way because you don't understand any of it so you just assume it's all BS. As smart as you are, and you're one of the smartest people on this forum, it's amazing to me the things you don't get. You were probably the guy in the 15th century who's well goes dry so you go and find some old lady who lives in the woods and burn her at the stake for being a witch. And feel perfectly justified for doing it because you know you're right. Really smart people like you always know their right even when they're 100% wrong. In this case you're actually 1000% wrong but you'll never see that and would never admit it anyway.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 1:28:23 PM
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Quote: Wizard
The odds of 181 or more wins in 228 bets (79.39% win rate) are 1 in 33,820,836,576,546,000,000,000
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What you're leaving out is the most critical piece of information. And that is how did the person arrive at the decision to make the bet. Unless and until you know that you can't do the math because it's meaningless.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 1:43:12 PM
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80% of the time, EB wins 100% of the time.
Or is it the other way around?
I'm not exactly sure how the math works in EvenBob's system, since he hasn't actually explained anything.
Or is it the other way around?
I'm not exactly sure how the math works in EvenBob's system, since he hasn't actually explained anything.
September 14th, 2022 at 1:45:05 PM
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Quote: vegasBob, when you find a trend (pattern), do you go with the trend or against it. Do you ever vary from this position and bet opposite of your normal bet?
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Good question. I never bet against anything, I never bet for anything to end. I always bet for it to continue. The tendency of a pattern or a trend is to continue and not to end. Of course it could end immediately and often does, put the whole point of a pattern or a trend is that it will continue for at least one or two more spins. What I try to do it's finding the middle of something to make my bet. I'm pretty good at looking at something and realizing it's been going on for too long and it's expiration date is due. The major problem most people have here is they are too much into the math and that will trick you every time into not doing anything. If you actually start studying the outcomes in roulette you will see things that you had no idea were there and once you start seeing them you cannot unsee them and you will learn how to exploit them. Of course if you do the math first you won't start on anything because it'll tell you it's a lost cause. I gained some real insight on another Forum into how math people think and it was very eye-opening. They are trained to see the world in a certain way and they cannot deviate from that.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 1:50:01 PM
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You must have a lot of faith in your method by now, and betting large. $500 or more per spin?
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Actual money amounts are not discussed on a public forum for obvious reasons unless you're a dope. It doesn't matter what the unit size is a win is a win. And yes I have absolute faith In what I do because it always works. In like taking piano lessons it just gets better all the time because it's a learned skill. You're only dealing with 36 numbers and those numbers have no choice but to produce the same kinds of results over and over and over.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 1:57:09 PM
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Man, at least with MDawg's tales we get cool pictures of Rolexes, food, and fat stacks of cash...
EB's thread is just 26 pages of "trust me, bro..."
EB's thread is just 26 pages of "trust me, bro..."
September 14th, 2022 at 1:58:35 PM
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Quote: TigerWu80% of the time, EB wins 100% of the time.
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I have an 80% chance of being right when I make a bet, but I have a 100% record of winning the session. They are two different things. An 80% hit rate gives me a 100% chance of winning the session. And that's because my goal is only to win one unit. This is what guarantees the session win. If my goal was to win 20 units per session there's no way I could do that 100% of the time.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 2:00:56 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: Wizard
The odds of 181 or more wins in 228 bets (79.39% win rate) are 1 in 33,820,836,576,546,000,000,000
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What you're leaving out is the most critical piece of information. And that is how did the person arrive at the decision to make the bet. Unless and until you know that you can't do the math because it's meaningless.
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EB, either you believe in a game like roulette that the next spin result is not affected by the previous spin results, or the next spin is affected by the previous spin results. The forum as a whole believes the former to be true, you obviously believe the latter.
Im not the only ‘smart guy’ on this forum that knows what you are proposing just hasn’t happened. I think all who have commented so far would agree.
I ABSOLUTELY do not need to be a roulette player to be able to understand the REALLY SIMPLE concepts involved in roulette betting. Barring some form of cheating, there is just NO WAY to get to a consistent, reliable 80% hit rate on your daily or session first bet. Not on your ‘even chance’ bets.
September 14th, 2022 at 2:04:51 PM
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Quote: TigerWuMan, at least with MDawg's tales we get cool pictures of Rolexes, food, and fat stacks of cash...
EB's thread is just 26 pages of "trust me, bro..."
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Or don't, doesn't matter to me as long as the casino keeps paying me every day. Always remember this is all about me, I start a thread like this for myself and it's already working. It makes me pay a lot more attention when I'm playing to what I'm actually doing. Usually I play like a robot because everything is second nature now. But this thread makes me question everything I do and it turns into a learning experience. If somebody else learns from this thread that's fine but that's not my goal. Everybody is selfish I'm just not afraid to admit it. Almost everything I do is in my own self-interest, but so is everybody's. I have never met a truly selfless person, I don't think they exist.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 2:06:50 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
I have an 80% chance of being right when I make a bet, but I have a 100% record of winning the session.
1) Over how many sessions, approximately?
2) You have an 80% chance of being right EVERY time you make a bet on an EVEN MONEY Roulette wager?
September 14th, 2022 at 2:09:47 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: EvenBobQuote: Wizard
The odds of 181 or more wins in 228 bets (79.39% win rate) are 1 in 33,820,836,576,546,000,000,000
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What you're leaving out is the most critical piece of information. And that is how did the person arrive at the decision to make the bet. Unless and until you know that you can't do the math because it's meaningless.
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EB, either you believe in a game like roulette that the next spin result is not affected by the previous spin results, or the next spin is affected by the previous spin results. The forum as a whole believes the former to be true, you obviously believe the latter.
Im not the only ‘smart guy’ on this forum that knows what you are proposing just hasn’t happened. I think all who have commented so far would agree.
I ABSOLUTELY do not need to be a roulette player to be able to understand the REALLY SIMPLE concepts involved in roulette betting. Barring some form of cheating, there is just NO WAY to get to a consistent, reliable 80% hit rate on your daily or session first bet. Not on your ‘even chance’ bets.
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You have no idea how a post like this makes my day. It shows me that at least in one area I'm smarter then somebody who I consider to be really smart, far smarter than I am. I could never be a doctor, no way. Not smart enough. But in this one area I have you beat hands down. And when I'm playing later on tonight I'm going to be thinking about you and chuckling the whole time. Honestly, I'm sitting here looking forward to it, the chuckling part.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 2:11:34 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
I have an 80% chance of being right when I make a bet, but I have a 100% record of winning the session.
1) Over how many sessions, approximately?
2) You have an 80% chance of being right EVERY time you make a bet on an EVEN MONEY Roulette wager?
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How many sessions I have no idea I don't keep track, and yes 80% at online casinos only.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 2:13:00 PM
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Of all the types of play that is provable it should be online gaming!!!!
B&M Casinos I can argue sorry I don't have accurate records because sometimes I played unrated.
So EB, this is your moment to shine.
Can you produce transaction records from all your online Casino play that shows you have profited consistently over the time you have played.
I myself don't do online gambling so unless someone corrects me, pretty much all your play has been recorded.
I believe EB has blocked me so forum members feel free to ask yourselves.
B&M Casinos I can argue sorry I don't have accurate records because sometimes I played unrated.
So EB, this is your moment to shine.
Can you produce transaction records from all your online Casino play that shows you have profited consistently over the time you have played.
I myself don't do online gambling so unless someone corrects me, pretty much all your play has been recorded.
I believe EB has blocked me so forum members feel free to ask yourselves.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 14th, 2022 at 2:14:40 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: GandlerIf you have a system that wins online roulette why would you post it to a site that is owned by some online casinos (and watched by many others)? They obviously know who you are (and can easily link you to here), would you not be banned (or at least restricted) if you truly had a winning system?
This just does not seem like a good move unless you are retiring from the system and just want post your past results (or if the system does not exist). It just seems like a way to draw a lot of attention to yourself which a winning system user would strive to avoid.
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I don't have a system I have a method. And I'm not posting the method I'm taking questions about it. You think and online casino is any less skeptical of what I'm saying than anybody here? They truly believe that roulette can't be beat believe me they think I'm full of crap even more than most of the people here. And I do not post the stuff to draw attention, that's ridiculous. I do it because having conversations about this improves my game it keeps it in the forefront of my mind, keeps me thinking about it. I tried this on another Forum but there's just not that many members there so I thought I'd try it here because you have a lot of members. I went from never talking about it to answering almost any question about it. We'll see what happens, my hopes are not that high. Everybody has an opinion and everybody has a criticism based on no experience at all. So they have no idea what questions to ask. They're all full of grandiose assumptions that have no basis in reality. People who actually look into this, take the time to do it, always come away saying wait a minute, there's something to this. But it takes a lot of time a lot of dedication and almost nobody is willing to do that.
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Can't you just post results? That is the good thing about State Run casinos, every bet is logged as an event (and you can access it), you can take a screenshot of every deposit, withdrawal, and betting history and you can easily prove that you consistently win with flat bets (or if you don't want to post it you can send it to the Wizard to verify). This way you can prove that your method (sorry not system) has a history of results (even if a small sample size) without giving away the actual method. That is the great thing about online (state run) casinos, its very easy to track your history to show to others.
****EDIT I realize I said "State Run" I mean "State Regulated" ****
September 14th, 2022 at 2:18:51 PM
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Quote: GandlerQuote: EvenBobQuote: GandlerIf you have a system that wins online roulette why would you post it to a site that is owned by some online casinos (and watched by many others)? They obviously know who you are (and can easily link you to here), would you not be banned (or at least restricted) if you truly had a winning system?
This just does not seem like a good move unless you are retiring from the system and just want post your past results (or if the system does not exist). It just seems like a way to draw a lot of attention to yourself which a winning system user would strive to avoid.
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I don't have a system I have a method. And I'm not posting the method I'm taking questions about it. You think and online casino is any less skeptical of what I'm saying than anybody here? They truly believe that roulette can't be beat believe me they think I'm full of crap even more than most of the people here. And I do not post the stuff to draw attention, that's ridiculous. I do it because having conversations about this improves my game it keeps it in the forefront of my mind, keeps me thinking about it. I tried this on another Forum but there's just not that many members there so I thought I'd try it here because you have a lot of members. I went from never talking about it to answering almost any question about it. We'll see what happens, my hopes are not that high. Everybody has an opinion and everybody has a criticism based on no experience at all. So they have no idea what questions to ask. They're all full of grandiose assumptions that have no basis in reality. People who actually look into this, take the time to do it, always come away saying wait a minute, there's something to this. But it takes a lot of time a lot of dedication and almost nobody is willing to do that.
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Can't you just post results? That is the good thing about State Run casinos, every bet is logged as an event (and you can access it), you can take a screenshot of every deposit, withdrawal, and betting history and you can easily prove that you consistently win with flat bets (or if you don't want to post it you can send it to the Wizard to verify). This way you can prove that your method (sorry not system) has a history of results (even if a small sample size) without giving away the actual method. That is the great thing about online (state run) casinos, its very easy to track your history to show to others.
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This is where his whole scheme will fall apart.
He is even now sitting chuckling to himself as he types the words "sorry no one posts their financials on an internet forum".
Of course the concept of using tools to block out any personal information will be avoided by him. I'm certain he will claim he doesn't understand how to use those (although he is smart enough to figure out how to beat Roulette).
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 14th, 2022 at 2:20:28 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
How many sessions I have no idea I don't keep track, and yes 80% at online casinos only.
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Just guess...
Less than 100? Between 100 and 300? More than 500? Etc.... You gotta have a rough ballpark here... How about a span of time? How many months/years has this 100% success rate been going on?
So you only bet even money wagers on Roulette... I believe you said earlier on a Double 0 wheel, so that is a 47.37% chance of a specific even money bet hitting on any given spin of the wheel. Yet you are claiming your success rate with these same bets is 80%, every time you place a wager. Do I have that right?
September 14th, 2022 at 2:32:05 PM
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Quote: darkozQuote: GandlerQuote: EvenBobQuote: GandlerIf you have a system that wins online roulette why would you post it to a site that is owned by some online casinos (and watched by many others)? They obviously know who you are (and can easily link you to here), would you not be banned (or at least restricted) if you truly had a winning system?
This just does not seem like a good move unless you are retiring from the system and just want post your past results (or if the system does not exist). It just seems like a way to draw a lot of attention to yourself which a winning system user would strive to avoid.
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I don't have a system I have a method. And I'm not posting the method I'm taking questions about it. You think and online casino is any less skeptical of what I'm saying than anybody here? They truly believe that roulette can't be beat believe me they think I'm full of crap even more than most of the people here. And I do not post the stuff to draw attention, that's ridiculous. I do it because having conversations about this improves my game it keeps it in the forefront of my mind, keeps me thinking about it. I tried this on another Forum but there's just not that many members there so I thought I'd try it here because you have a lot of members. I went from never talking about it to answering almost any question about it. We'll see what happens, my hopes are not that high. Everybody has an opinion and everybody has a criticism based on no experience at all. So they have no idea what questions to ask. They're all full of grandiose assumptions that have no basis in reality. People who actually look into this, take the time to do it, always come away saying wait a minute, there's something to this. But it takes a lot of time a lot of dedication and almost nobody is willing to do that.
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Can't you just post results? That is the good thing about State Run casinos, every bet is logged as an event (and you can access it), you can take a screenshot of every deposit, withdrawal, and betting history and you can easily prove that you consistently win with flat bets (or if you don't want to post it you can send it to the Wizard to verify). This way you can prove that your method (sorry not system) has a history of results (even if a small sample size) without giving away the actual method. That is the great thing about online (state run) casinos, its very easy to track your history to show to others.
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This is where his whole scheme will fall apart.
He is even now sitting chuckling to himself as he types the words "sorry no one posts their financials on an internet forum".
Of course the concept of using tools to block out any personal information will be avoided by him. I'm certain he will claim he doesn't understand how to use those (although he is smart enough to figure out how to beat Roulette).
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They don't even have to do that, he can send it to a fair third party who already knows him (like Wizard) so there is no worry about personal details being exposed to strangers, and they can simply say if he is a consistent winner on every bet (they don't have to reveal details or amounts). Of course, this does not prove the method works, but if there is a two-year history of daily online betting and you win every day (or every bet or whatever the claim is), it certainly gives more credibility to what you are saying.
September 14th, 2022 at 2:37:44 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBob
How many sessions I have no idea I don't keep track, and yes 80% at online casinos only.
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Just guess...
Less than 100? Between 100 and 300? More than 500? Etc.... You gotta have a rough ballpark here... How about a span of time? How many months/years has this 100% success rate been going on?
So you only bet even money wagers on Roulette... I believe you said earlier on a Double 0 wheel, so that is a 47.37% chance of a specific even money bet hitting on any given spin of the wheel. Yet you are claiming your success rate with these same bets is 80%, every time you place a wager. Do I have that right?
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More than 500 sessions less than 1000 sessions in the last year. And any math you come up with doesn't mean anything because you do not know how I arrive at my decision to make the bet. It's like trying to calculate which driver is going to win the Indianapolis 500 not knowing anything about the cars they are driving.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 2:43:20 PM
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Very impressed by what a good job EB has done of convincing everyone in this thread that he’s telling the truth.
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Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
September 14th, 2022 at 2:46:32 PM
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More than 500 sessions less than 1000 sessions in the last year. And any math you come up with doesn't mean anything because you do not know how I arrive at my decision to make the bet. It's like trying to calculate which driver is going to win the Indianapolis 500 not knowing anything about the cars they are driving.
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Okay, let's just figure conservatively and say that in 500 sessions over the span of a year you have won 100% of the time, i.e., all 500 sessions. Is that what you are claiming?
Your decision of how you arrive at an even money Roulette wager is completely irrelevant. There are no variables and nothing to take into account. It will either be red or black. Even or odd. High or low. Period. There are an incalculable number of variables in an Indy 500 race, so your analogy is flawed.
I ask again, are you claiming that on a bet that has a 47.37% chance of hitting, you instead have found a way to hit it 80% of the time?
September 14th, 2022 at 2:50:17 PM
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Quote: ams288Very impressed by what a good job EB has done of convincing everyone in this thread that he’s telling the truth.
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It's gonna be a long six-and-a-half months until April 1st when he finally reveals this whole thread was an April Fool's prank.
September 14th, 2022 at 2:57:02 PM
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Yeah, like I predicted...just a "tease."
Trying to get a grasp of his "method" is like trying to get a grasp of a fart.
Down the rabbit hole we go...
Trying to get a grasp of his "method" is like trying to get a grasp of a fart.
Down the rabbit hole we go...
"What, me worry?"
September 14th, 2022 at 2:59:21 PM
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Quote: MrVYeah, like I predicted...just a "tease."
Trying to get a grasp of his "method" is like trying to get a grasp of a fart.
Down the rabbit hole we go...
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I'll have you know I can grasp a fart 80% of the time....
September 14th, 2022 at 3:04:04 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: MrVYeah, like I predicted...just a "tease."
Trying to get a grasp of his "method" is like trying to get a grasp of a fart.
Down the rabbit hole we go...
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I'll have you know I can grasp a fart 80% of the time....
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And the other 20% of the time it's a full load of dookie Doo.
EB has found a way to grasp the dookie Doo 100% of the time.
PS remind me not to shake your hand at the next WOV meetup
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 14th, 2022 at 3:05:15 PM
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I want to ask one question. I have not read every post. Some of the forum members here I've blocked and I'll never read what they posted.
My question is has EB revealed how he chooses his roulette bets?
If he has not revealed his bets and how they were chosen what is there to discuss or to question.
Frankly this forum is filled with APs who say "I win" but don't reveal their plays. Is that any different from what EB is doing?
The APs guard their plays tighter than a virgin princess before marrying into the royal family. So why the criticism of EB ?
He's no different.
Until every AP reveals his exact plays why should EB?
And if EB doesn't reveal his plays why is anyone bothering to challenge his claims?
There's nothing to talk about here.
And the same goes for Mdawg. If he doesn't reveal his methodology there's nothing to discuss.
By the way, I sometimes win $100,000 a week playing video poker but not every week.
My question is has EB revealed how he chooses his roulette bets?
If he has not revealed his bets and how they were chosen what is there to discuss or to question.
Frankly this forum is filled with APs who say "I win" but don't reveal their plays. Is that any different from what EB is doing?
The APs guard their plays tighter than a virgin princess before marrying into the royal family. So why the criticism of EB ?
He's no different.
Until every AP reveals his exact plays why should EB?
And if EB doesn't reveal his plays why is anyone bothering to challenge his claims?
There's nothing to talk about here.
And the same goes for Mdawg. If he doesn't reveal his methodology there's nothing to discuss.
By the way, I sometimes win $100,000 a week playing video poker but not every week.
September 14th, 2022 at 3:08:29 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI want to ask one question. I have not read every post. Some of the forum members here I've blocked and I'll never read what they posted.
My question is has EB revealed how he chooses his roulette bets?
If he has not revealed his bets and how they were chosen what is there to discuss or to question.
Frankly this forum is filled with APs who say "I win" but don't reveal their plays. Is that any different from what EB is doing?
The APs guard their plays tighter than a virgin princess before marrying into the royal family. So why the criticism of EB ?
He's no different.
Until every AP reveals his exact plays why should EB?
And if EB doesn't reveal his plays why is anyone bothering to challenge his claims?
There's nothing to talk about here.
And the same goes for Mdawg. If he doesn't reveal his methodology there's nothing to discuss.
By the way, I sometimes win $100,000 a week playing video poker but not every week.
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Wait, so you have EB blocked?
Because asking if he has posted his method is simple. Read only his posts in this forum.
What does blocking anyone else have to do with it?
SMH.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 14th, 2022 at 3:09:15 PM
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Frankly this forum is filled with APs who say "I win" but don't reveal their plays. Is that any different from what EB is doing?
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Yes, because what EB is claiming is mathematically impossible, regardless of whether or not he reveals his "methodology."
September 14th, 2022 at 3:28:40 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: AlanMendelson
Frankly this forum is filled with APs who say "I win" but don't reveal their plays. Is that any different from what EB is doing?
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Yes, because what EB is claiming is mathematically impossible, regardless of whether or not he reveals his "methodology."
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Impossible is a word thrown around too much here.
I threw stacked dice twice at Red Rock. Had I not sent the photos to Wizard immediately this forum would have been all over my ass saying it was another 18 yos story. I'm pretty sure no one else ever threw stacked dice twice. And Wizard says it's mathematically possible? Yeah, only because I sent him photos, times, dates and names of the box men.
Darkoz and his crew successfully dodge casino security.
Blackjack card counters while playing at one table say they can count a second table while seated.
Nothing is impossible. People even came back from the dead.
September 14th, 2022 at 3:41:23 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelson
Impossible is a word thrown around too much here.
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I don't know what you or anyone else is claiming to have happened during your gambling adventures. It is irrelevant to this thread.
EB is claiming he has won 100% of the time he has played Roulette over hundreds of sessions (between 500 and 1000 according to him).
EB is claiming that he is not gambling; he KNOWS he is going to win.
EB is claiming that on a bet with a 47.37% chance of winning, he will win 80% of the time he makes the bet.
Think about that... a man is telling you he can sit down at a Roulette wheel and he is guaranteed to have a winning session 100% of the time by winning bets at almost double the mathematical probability. You think that is possible?
September 14th, 2022 at 3:54:31 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: AlanMendelson
Impossible is a word thrown around too much here.
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I don't know what you or anyone else is claiming to have happened during your gambling adventures. It is irrelevant to this thread.
EB is claiming he has won 100% of the time he has played Roulette over hundreds of sessions (between 500 and 1000 according to him).
EB is claiming that he is not gambling; he KNOWS he is going to win.
EB is claiming that on a bet with a 47.37% chance of winning, he will win 80% of the time he makes the bet.
Think about that... a man is telling you he can sit down at a Roulette wheel and he is guaranteed to have a winning session 100% of the time by winning bets at almost double the mathematical probability. You think that is possible?
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Didn't Wizard suggest a Martingale could win?
Again, what betting strategy are you saying can't win like EB says?
You don't know.
Well I don't know how the APs win so much when they won't reveal their plays.
And none of you were at the table at Red Rock when I threw stacked dice twice. But I dare you to say that's impossible... because I have names and photos.
September 14th, 2022 at 3:58:28 PM
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Frankly this forum is filled with APs who say "I win" but don't reveal their plays. Is that any different from what EB is doing?
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Yes, because what EB is claiming is mathematically impossible, regardless of whether or not he reveals his "methodology."
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Impossible is a word thrown around too much here.
I threw stacked dice twice at Red Rock. Had I not sent the photos to Wizard immediately this forum would have been all over my ass saying it was another 18 yos story. I'm pretty sure no one else ever threw stacked dice twice. And Wizard says it's mathematically possible? Yeah, only because I sent him photos, times, dates and names of the box men.
Darkoz and his crew successfully dodge casino security.
Blackjack card counters while playing at one table say they can count a second table while seated.
Nothing is impossible. People even came back from the dead.
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Who has ever doubted that you threw stacked dice twice? I have played craps maybe 1/1000 as much as you have and (I think??) I did it once! I didn’t realize it was a big deal, and it is certainly possible I am misremembering! There are some people who have won big lotteries twice. It ain’t 18 yo’s in a row. It ain’t winning 400 out of 500 ‘even chance’ bets on roulette.
As far as ‘proof’ of AP being a ‘thing’, I will attest that Axel showed me a bunch of techniques that give him an edge on the casino on multiple games in multiple different ways. I promised him I would not divulge these in open forum. I have made the same offer to ANYONE who has an edge and wants for whatever reason to be ‘verified’ on the forum. Pretty sure The Wiz would do the same.
I’ve also made many offers to bet against these outlandish claims. Heck, I’d bet a boatload that EB could not win 20 out of his first 25 bets. EB has many times refused any online challenge bets.
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admin: fixed. -D
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September 14th, 2022 at 4:00:50 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: TigerWuQuote: AlanMendelson
Impossible is a word thrown around too much here.
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I don't know what you or anyone else is claiming to have happened during your gambling adventures. It is irrelevant to this thread.
EB is claiming he has won 100% of the time he has played Roulette over hundreds of sessions (between 500 and 1000 according to him).
EB is claiming that he is not gambling; he KNOWS he is going to win.
EB is claiming that on a bet with a 47.37% chance of winning, he will win 80% of the time he makes the bet.
Think about that... a man is telling you he can sit down at a Roulette wheel and he is guaranteed to have a winning session 100% of the time by winning bets at almost double the mathematical probability. You think that is possible?
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Didn't Wizard suggest a Martingale could win?
Again, what betting strategy are you saying can't win like EB says?
You don't know.
Well I don't know how the APs win so much when they won't reveal their plays.
And none of you were at the table at Red Rock when I threw stacked dice twice. But I dare you to say that's impossible... because I have names and photos.
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EB explicitly said he does not do any Martingales or betting progressions. He flat bets the entire time.
And I don't think you understand what EB is saying... he is claiming he WILL win 100% of the time he plays, because he "isn't gambling." He is also claiming a CONSISTENT win probability of almost double the mathematical probability on specific bets.
September 14th, 2022 at 4:25:34 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI have an 80% chance of being right when I make a bet, but I have a 100% record of winning the session.
Gr8Player claimed he was beating Baccarat. He never claimed he was winning 80% of his bets, or 100% of his sessions.
Now, might be a good time to accept Wizard's challenge.
Quote: WizardLet me preface this by saying that based on the posts I've seen, you appear to be well-spoken and act like a gentleman. Your good behavior is well appreciated.
However, your message is 180-degrees the opposite of mine. This forum was never meant to be a place to boast about a secret way to beat baccarat and laugh at conventional use of math to analyze casino games.
That said, it is indeed my wish that you resign your membership and take your ideas elsewhere.
You are more than welcome to make a goodbye post and feel free to mention any other forum(s) where you may be found in the future. I would like to be able to say that we parted company on good terms.
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September 14th, 2022 at 4:44:57 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonAnd none of you were at the table at Red Rock when I threw stacked dice twice. But I dare you to say that's impossible... because I have names and photos.
As a former reporter you should have photos and names of witnesses who actually saw such an unusual event.
Which begs the question: why didn't you get names of the crew at Caesars or statements from witnesses to corroborate your claim of seeing eighteen yo's in a row rolled?
That is MUCH more newsworthy, much more unusual (actually it's impossible) than stacked dice.
A very curious omission by a reporter, wouldn't you agree?
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"What, me worry?"
September 14th, 2022 at 5:00:04 PM
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And if EB doesn't reveal his plays why is anyone bothering to challenge his claims?
There's nothing to talk about here.
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The methodology used in how you arrived at your bet is everything. What people here are assuming, wrongly, is there is no methodology other than random chance. Until you can see the methodology you cannot do any math and you cannot make any proclamations that the person is not telling the truth. I am trying to reveal my methodology but almost nobody wants to hear it. All they care about is their own faulty conclusions. All they can see is they want to be right so badly and they want me to be wrong so badly it clouds all of their thinking. There are a few here who are asking the right questions but they are few and far between.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 5:07:55 PM
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Think about that... a man is telling you he can sit down at a Roulette wheel and he is guaranteed to have a winning session 100% of the time by winning bets at almost double the mathematical probability.
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You come to that conclusion because you don't have all the facts. Working with the facts you have you are right it's impossible. But that's because you don't know how I arrive at my decisions. Here's a story I used quite often I might have already mentioned it in this but I'm going to do it again. In England in the late 19th century a hospital doctor discovered that if he washed his hands in between operations a lot more of his patients lived. When he spread this information to his fellow doctors who were very smart people, they said he was insane because it went against all the scientific data of the time. They rebelled against the idea so much that they locked him up in an insane asylum and that's where he died. 20 years later guess what, every doctor around the world was washing their hands in between operations. But those doctors believed absolutely that they were correct. I know you'll say, but we have the math! But you don't have it, you have it for what you know and you don't have all the facts so you don't know enough to do the math
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 5:14:37 PM
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Think about that... a man is telling you he can sit down at a Roulette wheel and he is guaranteed to have a winning session 100% of the time by winning bets at almost double the mathematical probability.
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You come to that conclusion because you don't have all the facts. Working with the facts you have you are right it's impossible. But that's because you don't know how I arrive at my decisions. Here's a story I used quite often I might have already mentioned it in this but I'm going to do it again. In England in the late 19th century a hospital doctor discovered that if he washed his hands in between operations a lot more of his patients lived. When he spread this information to his fellow doctors who were very smart people, they said he was insane because it went against all the scientific data of the time. They rebelled against the idea so much that they locked him up in an insane asylum and that's where he died. 20 years later guess what, every doctor around the world was washing their hands in between operations. But those doctors believed absolutely that they were correct. I know you'll say, but we have the math! But you don't have it, you have it for what you know and you don't have all the facts so you don't know enough to do the math
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So basically you feel we are all living in the 19th century.
The veiled insults keep coming.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 14th, 2022 at 5:21:52 PM
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PG…. If you (or I) was the owner, chief administrator, king, of this forum we would allow a silly thread like this to start, and once it became obvious that it was just a troll thread we would eliminate it.
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You feel this way because you don't understand any of it so you just assume it's all BS. As smart as you are, and you're one of the smartest people on this forum, it's amazing to me the things you don't get. You were probably the guy in the 15th century who's well goes dry so you go and find some old lady who lives in the woods and burn her at the stake for being a witch. And feel perfectly justified for doing it because you know you're right. Really smart people like you always know their right even when they're 100% wrong. In this case you're actually 1000% wrong but you'll never see that and would never admit it anyway.
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Well soopoo is by most accounts a corporate Yes Man, but that’s going too far!
我才不是应声虫呢
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 14th, 2022 at 5:31:19 PM
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Let's explore your method.
Say you log in to your favorite online casino and see the following outcomes on the first 12 non-green spins (we're ignoring the green outcomes, as you've said you do):
B,R,R,B,R,R,R,B,B,R,B,R
Do you bet the next spin? If so, do you bet R or B?
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First of all there is not enough information here I don't just look at the one string of outcomes. Secondly I don't even see a pattern here. And yes my name was going to be Even Chance Bob and I just shortened it to EvenBob
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EvenBob,
Fair enough... I wasn't trying to have a pattern.
Will you give us an example of a pattern that you WOULD bet?
Dog Hand
September 14th, 2022 at 5:35:13 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI have an 80% chance of being right when I make a bet, but I have a 100% record of winning the session.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 14th, 2022 at 5:38:54 PM
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What can you tell us about your methodology?
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
September 14th, 2022 at 6:56:48 PM
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Post of the month.Quote: TigerWu
EB's thread is just 26 pages of "trust me, bro..."
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 14th, 2022 at 7:01:48 PM
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Has Bob actully said or can someome figure out what he is claiming his edge over the house is?
Bob, I would appreciate it if could answer the question without telling me it's easy to figure out or whatever. It's a relatively simple question with a fairly simple answer.
Bob, I would appreciate it if could answer the question without telling me it's easy to figure out or whatever. It's a relatively simple question with a fairly simple answer.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 14th, 2022 at 7:05:04 PM
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Quote: unJonWhat can you tell us about your methodology?
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Like I already said I look for situations involving patterns and trends that I have observed hundreds and thousands of times and some of them have a tendency to keep going if you observe them at the correct moment. My discovery is about 80% of the time they will be good to make at least one unit. The fact is they're usually good for way more than one unit and 20% of the time they're not. But 80% of the time when I see these specific situations that I have observed in the outcomes of 36 random numbers the tendency of them is to continue rather than stop suddenly. Of course probability says what I should be experiencing is an equal amount of stopping and continuing. But there seems to be something else involved here, something akin to inertia. Once something is started it has a tendency to keep going rather than to stop. And the major point is this stuff doesn't happen all the time, what happens most of the time is chaos, unreadable chaos in the outcomes. But because it's only 36 numbers they come together frequently to form patterns and trends and they move out of chaos or so my pattern seeking brain thinks. And they can be exploited. I make one unit because I know I can win every session I play if that's my goal. For years I made the mistake of trying to make more, being greedy, that works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. You can still come out ahead but it's not nearly as dependable as what I do now. None of this is hidden, all you have to do is observe outcomes for a period of time like a couple of weeks and you'll start to see things.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 7:11:48 PM
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Quote: unJonWhat can you tell us about your methodology?
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September 14th, 2022 at 7:20:50 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfHas Bob actully said or can someome figure out what he is claiming his edge over the house is?
Bob, I would appreciate it if could answer the question without telling me it's easy to figure out or whatever. It's a relatively simple question with a fairly simple answer.
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I am reluctant to talk about the edge because there's more than one way to arrive at it and whatever I post you're going to jump all over it and say, that's wrong! I know this because it's happened before. I make no apologies for not being a math person because knowing math has nothing to do with beating roulette. In fact it is a hindrance. You know what my edge is because you know what my hit rate is. You want me to commit to a number because you want to see me screw up and I'm not falling for that one again. You tell me what my edge is on a double zero wheel and I will probably agree with you but I really don't care. It has nothing to do with anything. I never think about it, why would I. Have driven cars all my life and I have no idea what the math is behind the design of an engine and transmission. None. I don't know how they arrived at horsepower, I know very little of the mechanics behind how an automatic transmission works or what the math is in building one. But I don't need to know any of that to be a great driver just like I don't need to know any math in roulette to beat It.
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2022 at 7:23:16 PM
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It's simple. 38 (or 37 for European) spots on the wheel, pay the table like there's 36 spots on the wheel.
September 14th, 2022 at 7:34:35 PM
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Frankly this forum is filled with APs who say "I win" but don't reveal their plays. Is that any different from what EB is doing?
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Yes, because what EB is claiming is mathematically impossible, regardless of whether or not he reveals his "methodology."
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Impossible is a word thrown around too much here.
I threw stacked dice twice at Red Rock. Had I not sent the photos to Wizard immediately this forum would have been all over my ass saying it was another 18 yos story. I'm pretty sure no one else ever threw stacked dice twice. And Wizard says it's mathematically possible? Yeah, only because I sent him photos, times, dates and names of the box men.
Darkoz and his crew successfully dodge casino security.
Blackjack card counters while playing at one table say they can count a second table while seated.
Nothing is impossible. People even came back from the dead.
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Who has ever doubted that you threw stacked dice twice? I have played craps maybe 1/1000 as much as you have and (I think??) I did it once! I didn’t realize it was a big deal, and it is certainly possible I am misremembering! There are some people who have won big lotteries twice. It ain’t 18 yo’s in a row. It ain’t winning 400 out of 500 ‘even chance’ bets on roulette.
As far as ‘proof’ of AP being a ‘thing’, I will attest that Axel showed me a bunch of techniques that give him an edge on the casino on multiple games in multiple different ways. I promised him I would not divulge these in open forum. I have made the same offer to ANYONE who has an edge and wants for whatever reason to be ‘verified’ on the forum. Pretty sure The Wiz would do the same.
I’ve also made many offers to bet against these outlandish claims. Heck, I’d bet a boatload that EB could not win 20 out of his first 25 bets. EB has many times refused any online challenge bets.
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No one has doubted that I threw stacked dice twice because I offered photographs, and details including the names of box men and dealers when I first reported it here.
In hindsight I blew it.
I should have reported it and then challenge the naysayers with real money bets I would have won.
Again, had I said I didn't have proof you would have been all over me. Don't deny it.
Without proof sent in I wonder just how much the odds of this happening would have been blown up? And that it happened to me twice? How many zeroes do you need for that?
And that it happened to another player once also at Red Rock?
18 yos would pale. Don't deny they would but this time I had photos.
Back to EB.
And here you all are calling what he does impossible without knowing what he does. What a laugh.
The more I read about EB saying he is one unit ahead makes me think you're all piling on him over nothing.
It won't be anything unless he tells you what he does... not just the results.
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No way I’m quoting that mess! Alan, he has said he can hit his ‘even chance’ bets 80% of the time. And he has admitted to having done this for 500 bets. Hitting 400 out of 500 on even chance type bets is less likely than 25 yo’s in a row!!!! Mike can give an exact yo’s in a row if you want.
You have been a reporter your whole life and can’t recognize a totally fabricated story like this? Really!?!?
You have been a reporter your whole life and can’t recognize a totally fabricated story like this? Really!?!?
