Beating randomness
Quote: billryanI went to the casino ten times. Each time my BR is $300.
In the nine times I won, I averaged $30 in wins for a total win of $270.
My one losing session cost me $300, but the really important thing is that I proved my system will win more often than it loses.
If I can continue this, I'll have the greatest system ever, one that wins 90% of the times I go to the casino.
This seems pretty foolproof. Time to up the stakes.
You won $270. But you didnt beat the game because your net loss was $30.
Sounds like kewlj was not just close but right on.Quote: AlanMendelsonYou're not even close, but thanks for trying.
You used the word "loss." Does loss mean you beat a game?
Maybe this will help: You can win innings in a baseball game but not beat the other team.
Another example: a boxer can win rounds but not beat his opponent.
Quote: AlanMendelsonYou won $270. But you didnt beat the game because your net loss was $30.
But I won nine out of ten sessions. Proof that my system wins more often than it loses.
Quote: billryanBut I won nine out of ten sessions. Proof that my system wins more often than it loses.
But you won't pay your mortgage that way.
You need to not play the tenth session. Keep skipping the losing sessions and maybe make up for it by wagering more on the winning sessions.Quote: billryanBut I won nine out of ten sessions. Proof that my system wins more often than it loses.
Quote: ThatDonGuyI have a "system" that does that. It's called, "Flat betting on an even-money bet on a single-zero roulette wheel until either you are 4 bets ahead or 12 bets behind." It wins 66.41% of the time.
In case you're interested, the probabililty of being +W in a session before -L where all of the bets are even-money bets of 1 with winning probability p is:
(((1-p) / p)L - 1) / (((1-p) / p)W+L - 1)
In single-zero roulette, (1-p) / p = 19/18; in double-zero, it is 10/9.
Let's just assume I count a session as 100 spins, one bet every spin.
If you are just looking for reasons why a consistent winning formula doesn't exist or won't work, then ok.
Quote: OnceDearYou need to not play the tenth session. Keep skipping the losing sessions and maybe make up for it by wagering more on the winning sessions.
I thought about that, but I'm afraid the casino might ban me if I win every session. My system is useless if I can't play. As it is, they keep sending me goodies to entice me into their casino, the suckers.
Quote: AlanMendelsonBut you won't pay your mortgage that way.
I don't have a mortgage. When you win ninety percent of your gambling sessions, you can get rid of yours too.
Quote: OnceDearYou need to not play the tenth session. Keep skipping the losing sessions and maybe make up for it by wagering more on the winning sessions.
I know you say that in jest and for good reason, but there are some who believe exactly that (or at least publicly push that idea).
I don't know if I am allowed to mention his name, so I will just say that a guy from another forum, that Wizard recently interviewed about his double up bug claim, also has claims of long-term -EV video poker winnings using progressive wagering. When you argue with him, he will tell you that -EV can be beat on a short-term basis, like a session or day, which is very true. But he then goes on to say, you just keep doing that over and over and over again. Absolutely no acknowledgement of that 10th or whatever number trial or session that wipes out all the smaller win, which is the downfall of ALL progressive systems.
Quote: billryanBut I won nine out of ten sessions. Proof that my system wins more often than it loses.
Quote from Charles: if you have a bet that wins 1 unit per session but losses 30 units every 31st sessions, it is still a winner, unless one is foolish enough to lose all 30 units on that one session.
Quote: kewljI know you say that in jest and for good reason, but there are some who believe exactly that (or at least publicly push that idea).
I don't know if I am allowed to mention his name, so I will just say that a guy from another forum, that Wizard recently interviewed about his double up bug claim, also has claims of long-term -EV video poker winnings using progressive wagering. When you argue with him, he will tell you that -EV can be beat on a short-term basis, like a session or day, which is very true. But he then goes on to say, you just keep doing that over and over and over again. Absolutely no acknowledgement of that 10th or whatever number trial or session that wipes out all the smaller win, which is the downfall of ALL progressive systems.
Everyone knows progressive systems don't work. Most people know that hit and run doesn't work.
But when you combine the two, and super-charge it with my propriety money management formula, you will see amazing results.
Factor in proper hydration and the world will be your oyster.
More important facts... From caralarm: I agree with Charles and tough; you cannot beat rng casinos. Their software is designed to beat the player. Maybe you can win in the short term or even in play money mode, but I wouldn't trust them for squat.
From me: Another tip: overthinking can be a real problem. The consistent winning formula is simple; only common sense is needed. If you have been spending too much time on this puzzle, take a break for a while, and completely take your mind off of it. Get into some hobby or other activity to occupy your mind.
You can also just read all my posts.
Quote: kewljI know you say that in jest and for good reason, but there are some who believe exactly that (or at least publicly push that idea).
There are some that believe such rubbish and there are some who claim to believe. Some even troll us with 'evidence', when they aren't suspended.
Yes I was indeed talking in jest. I'm sure Billryan was too.
Nonsense about hit and run tactics and beating sessions have been done to death here. There are none so blind as they who will not see.
Let those who trumpet the greatness of hit and run tactics and beating randomness just mortgage and hock all their possessions. Max out their credit and go get fantastically rich. No need to post here about it.
Incidentally, here's an amusing and true tale of hit and run. Even with that success, I don't promote doing it, except for fun.
I am against people that believe and more importantly spew nonsense about hit & run having some magical power to overcome -EV. But if you are doing something else, something legitimate that makes your play +EV, there are definite advantages to incorporating a hit and run style. Like "running" during the negative counts in blackjack.
I have to say, one of the most shocking things to me over the years on these forums, has been the number of players, sometime fairly intelligent players that believe how you break up your sessions, hit & run, stop limits etc., some how changes the total expectation. I guess the casinos are banking on these people....literally. lol
Quote: kewlj
I am against people that believe and more importantly spew nonsense...
I have to say, one of the most shocking things to me over the years on these forums, has been the number of players, sometime fairly intelligent players that believe how you break up your sessions, hit & run, stop limits etc., some how changes the total expectation.
They mostly just do it to troll the forum: To tempt the maths savvy amongst us to get banned for calling them idiots.
You've seen how persistent and successful some of these trolls are.
Hit and run: Money management: Progressives: Systems: Telekinesis: All sorts of bunkum. I don't know why, but Wizard dedicated this sub-forum for such rubbish. In the rules, he referred to this sub-forum as a 'sty'
'Sty' reminds me...
It's said "Don't wrestle a pig: You'll get covered in 5h1t and the pig will enjoy it"
Other's say "Don't feed the troll"....
But here, we do tend to do both.
Quote: tough
Yes, caralarm is right; telekinesis is real. I learned it and performed it. It has no real application for me, so I stopped doing it and moved on. It's probably not like what you're thinking; I was only able to move very small, lightweight objects using telekinesis.I can confirm the following is effective. (note: this is copied and pasted from a Satanic website. I am not affiliated with anything Satanic whatsoever; I am a Christian. This may attract spirits; it does with me, but I can’t speak for everyone. I know people will laugh and perhaps think this is some kind of game; it’s not. Most people are just ignorant of the truth.
Telekinesis is the ability of the mind to move objects, through concentration. This is very advanced and you will need a very powerful aura. Like learning a gymnastics maneuver, with getting the *feel* for it and using it, it will become easier and easier with time, dedication and patience.
Everything on this Earth contains an energy field or aura, even inanimate objects. With performing telekinesis, you must connect your aura with aura of the object you intend to move. The strength of your aura will determine your success.
The following exercises help in developing telekinesis. You should be experienced with energy manipulation and have powerful hand chakras. In order to work up to this, the Foundation Meditation and the hand chakra meditation should be mastered.
This exercise is best done after power meditation when your aura is strong.
1. To begin, suspend a pendulum in front of you. This can be any object from a small pencil or a light ball, like a ping pong ball. Anything small, light and even will work. It must be in front of you, preferably over a table, where you can relax and sit. Hang the pendulum, so nothing is touching it or coming into physical contact with it and so it can move easily and freely.
2. Place your hands about an inch on each side of the pendulum, palms facing the pendulum. Direct energy through your palm chakras.
3. Now try pushing and pulling. You will see your aura pushing and pulling the object. One hand pushes, the other pulls. Visualize your aura connecting with the aura of the pendulum. Do not move your hands.
When you are able to move the pendulum, place your hands farther and farther apart.
The next step is to move the pendulum using the energy from your fingertips. At first, try to pull it with the energy from your fingertips.
The key is to keep distancing yourself from the object. The next step, which is extremely advanced is to begin using the powers of your third eye and move objects by connecting your aura with that of the object and willing them to move.
Do not get frustrated. This takes intense concenration, a strong mind and aura, but with enough patience and practice, the time you succeed in moving the object will become shorter and shorter. When you learn to use this area of your brain and strengthen it (it will become easier and easier), the first few times are the most difficult. It may take several sessions, sometimes even weeks, but it is not impossible.
Here are some practical tips:
Here are some tips:
1. It definitely helps to be able to see auras. When we open our third eye, this gives us the ability, but we must learn to use this ability to see. This is analagous to athletics. If one has the strength and flexibility, the potential is there, all one needs to do is the movement to get the feel and to train the movement into muscle memory. It is the same with the mind.
2. Start out with light objects. Gemstones such as quartz crystals are great, provided they are small and light. These have a stronger aura of their own.
3. Telekinesis is best attempted after power meditation when one's energy is most radiant.
4. Telekinesis like any other skill should be worked on daily until mastered. Heavier and heavier objects can replace the lighter ones as proficiency is achieved. I have had success with the above method.
The instructions from the JoyofSatan link provided by tough on page 8 of this thread worked for me. Has anyone really actually tried this or are they just assuming it doesn't work?
Quote: kewljI know you say that in jest and for good reason, but there are some who believe exactly that (or at least publicly push that idea).
I don't know if I am allowed to mention his name, so I will just say that a guy from another forum, that Wizard recently interviewed about his double up bug claim, also has claims of long-term -EV video poker winnings using progressive wagering. When you argue with him, he will tell you that -EV can be beat on a short-term basis, like a session or day, which is very true. But he then goes on to say, you just keep doing that over and over and over again. Absolutely no acknowledgement of that 10th or whatever number trial or session that wipes out all the smaller win, which is the downfall of ALL progressive systems.
"He" never claimed to beat negative expectation video poker. He only claimed to win more than he lost.
There's that "word issue" again.
Quote: OnceDearTelekinesis]
I just did telekinesis. So how is it bunk?
Nice double act we have here. You should be on the stage.Quote: caralarmI just did telekinesis. So how is it bunk?
I've had much greater success hypnotising blackjack dealers to have them give me a preview of the cards. At least hypnosis is real.
Hit and run works there: They don't like doing it twice on the same shift.
Quote: OnceDearNice double act we have here. You should be on the stage.
I've had much greater success hypnotising blackjack dealers to have them give me a preview of the cards. At least hypnosis is real.
Hit and run works there: They don't like doing it twice on the same shift.
I have heard a hypnotist claim simple suggestions sometimes work on some people. His example was telling a police officer who had just stopped him to "forget why he stopped him and go back to his car." As Ripley says, Believe it or Not.
You CAN beat randomness. The thing is though, whether you will or not... well, that's random.
After millions of spins, a number at double zero Roulette will have hit approximately 1/ every 38 times.
This sounds the opposite of random. Sounds like something predictable.
Unfortunately in the short run this doesn't help
And in the long run you don't win either lol
LMAO.Quote: serinTough and caralarm have been suspended. I surely cannot see anything they've done wrong. I guess they gave away too much information. It's sad to see WOV engage in such censorship.
Welcome NEW MEMBER.
Yes. they gave away too much valuable info. They were blowing our cover story by revealing how our paymasters, the casinos, could be destroyed by skillful application of telekinesis and mumbo jumbo.
Quote: OnceDearLMAO.
Welcome NEW MEMBER.
Yes. they gave away too much valuable info. They were blowing our cover story by revealing how our paymasters, the casinos, could be destroyed by skillful application of telekinesis and mumbo jumbo.
So, it's kind of like msm, you guys have to control the narrative of "all betting systems are worthless," argue against this and you get banned.
So wov and the casinos are a private company. You guys can ban anyone for whatever reason you want. Like the people who know they're lying on CNN, do you feel no shame?
So you joined just to gripe about forum moderation policies. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.Quote: serinSo, it's kind of like msm, you guys have to control the narrative of "all betting systems are worthless," argue against this and you get banned.
So wov and the casinos are a private company. You guys can ban anyone for whatever reason you want. Like the people who know they're lying on CNN, do you feel no shame?
Quote: OnceDearLMAO.
Welcome NEW MEMBER.
Yes. they gave away too much valuable info. They were blowing our cover story by revealing how our paymasters, the casinos, could be destroyed by skillful application of telekinesis and mumbo jumbo.
Mumbo? Perhaps...
A repeated request here.Quote: johnnydepzi have been beating it for months need more help back testing if anyone can help please pm me
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It's occurred to me that this help you need, seeing as how a PM is necessary to get that help, is about getting the proper funding for you ... a person with this magical gift.
Well, I'm rooting for you! If you can find somebody dumb enough to go for that, he deserves everything he is about to get rewarded with ... and you too! [if you pull this off I think I know your real gift]
Quote: odiousgambitA repeated request here.Quote: johnnydepzi have been beating it for months need more help back testing if anyone can help please pm me
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It's occurred to me that this help you need, seeing as how a PM is necessary to get that help, is about getting the proper funding for you ... a person with this magical gift.
Well, I'm rooting for you! If you can find somebody dumb enough to go for that, he deserves everything he is about to get rewarded with ... and you too! [if you pull this off I think I know your real gift]
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def do not need funding need people to help me back test the system lol
Quote: vbnm4what kind of testing you need?
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just need help back testing my system
Quote: johnnydepzQuote: odiousgambitA repeated request here.Quote: johnnydepzi have been beating it for months need more help back testing if anyone can help please pm me
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It's occurred to me that this help you need, seeing as how a PM is necessary to get that help, is about getting the proper funding for you ... a person with this magical gift.
Well, I'm rooting for you! If you can find somebody dumb enough to go for that, he deserves everything he is about to get rewarded with ... and you too! [if you pull this off I think I know your real gift]
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def do not need funding need people to help me back test the system lol
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What are you paying? Normally, when someone wants another person to perform labor, they offer compensation. It's above my paygrade but some of the folks with fancy titles can get upwards of twelve dollars an hour for doing nothing but using their brains.
In other words, you are almost guaranteed to lose money if you help JD.Quote: johnnydepzu get to learn the system and you can make as much as you want if it works
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