Beating randomness

Quote: tough

Random results can be influenced by outside forces that cause the "randomness" to be not so random. This isn't even part of my formula, but something I learned through my research and experiences.

When I win 1,000 bets in a row, using a specific bet selection method, I begin to think that it's not random.

Charles refused to lower his figures to make them seem more realistic. I am doing the same. Sorry, but I choose to live in the real world.

You are very cryptic.

Quote: tough

Charles refused to lower his figures to make them seem more realistic. I am doing the same. Sorry, but I choose to live in the real world.

Are we supposed to know who
this Charles is? Is he your secret
friend? Do you have a link?
Never heard of him.

Quote: EvenBob

Are we supposed to know who
this Charles is? Do you have a link?

I've seen this site before. Here are clues from that Charles guy...

Allow me tell you once and forever…you can only… find a way to beat
the Game…not the Odds.

SERIES RESULTS:

Because roulette is random it means that anything can happen and at anytime within the parameters of the game. Because it is random it throws up colours, numbers, dozens, even bets, and blocks in short and longer series. This results in a “pattern” that you may recognize. A good lesson to look at these patterns, because it will teach your brain how to think about roulette

However you will not find a consistent winning bet within any of the series simply because you will never know when the change comes. This kind of bet is often touted by the roulette system sharks. You will lose…twice.

MIXED RESULTS:

These are the kind that jump all over the table or wheel. Look closely and of course you can see patterns of a kind too. Ie. abccbaabcabcdca …etc. Same rules as above apply.






You have to set your own trap that consistently traps more winners than losers. Only correct knowledge can help you find one.

Now you can perhaps make one more clever move yourself. For instance...if you can find a bet that has real "Stability", and it does not lose, but does not give you a profit, you could look and test to see if there is "A BET WITHIN THAT BET". It will be a slow winner...but a winner is a winner! It also may be that the "CONSISTENCY" is so good you can bet quite heavy. You may just need a "Dummy" (no win - no lose) bet to while the time.

Quote: EvenBob

Are we supposed to know who
this Charles is? Is he your secret
friend? Do you have a link?
Never heard of him.

So really guys, we need to stop feeding this... person. This ... whatever this is has been going on for over 14 years.

Quote: caralarm

I've seen this site before. Here are clues from that Charles guy...

Allow me tell you once and forever…you can only… find a way to beat
the Game…not the Odds.

SERIES RESULTS:

Because roulette is random it means that anything can happen and at anytime within the parameters of the game. Because it is random it throws up colours, numbers, dozens, even bets, and blocks in short and longer series. This results in a “pattern” that you may recognize. A good lesson to look at these patterns, because it will teach your brain how to think about roulette

However you will not find a consistent winning bet within any of the series simply because you will never know when the change comes. This kind of bet is often touted by the roulette system sharks. You will lose…twice.

MIXED RESULTS:

These are the kind that jump all over the table or wheel. Look closely and of course you can see patterns of a kind too. Ie. abccbaabcabcdca …etc. Same rules as above apply.






You have to set your own trap that consistently traps more winners than losers. Only correct knowledge can help you find one.

Now you can perhaps make one more clever move yourself. For instance...if you can find a bet that has real "Stability", and it does not lose, but does not give you a profit, you could look and test to see if there is "A BET WITHIN THAT BET". It will be a slow winner...but a winner is a winner! It also may be that the "CONSISTENCY" is so good you can bet quite heavy. You may just need a "Dummy" (no win - no lose) bet to while the time.

ANND heres another ... the virus is spreading

this is coordinated hit guys he just joined june 28 haha

This Charles person (if that even is his real name) says something about donating to children's charitys "when you become a real winner." He claims that those you aren't fit to do this automatically eliminate themselves from "discovering" a "consistent winning bet", as if they are too lazy and would only seek to serve themselves anyway. If you ask me, it sounds like rubbish, but what do I know?

Here it is from that Charlie guy's old website himself:
I have given a great deal of thought as to how best to present what I hope will be the best unbiased and true betting information possible. I trust you will learn enough to secure your future. There are no fees whatsoever. I trust you will keep your end of “The Deal”
Please donate to a “Children’s Charity” of your choice, when you become a real winner

Quote: billryan

You are thinking too small. Go big. Multi-verse or even Omni-verse.

Quote: billryan

Take care that you don't send the winning half to the cornfield.

What do all these posts mean? I honestly don't know. If you are trying to bully me, then good for you; you are such a big man bullying a girl behind your computer.

Note: I said "if". If you are not doing this to me, then this doesn't apply to you and I sincerely apologize.

Quote: caralarm

.if you can find a bet that has real "Stability", and it does not lose, but does not give you a profit, you could look and test to see if there is "A BET WITHIN THAT BET". It will be a slow winner...but a winner is a winner! It also may be that the "CONSISTENCY" is so good you can bet quite heavy.

This is system seller double-speak,
meaningless gobbly gook nonsense.

It's time for some transparency and honesty. I was being genuine and telling the truth about my claims, but I am humbled with recent simulations I performed against roulette randomness. I ended up nearly in even territory after lengthy tests. Maybe I don't have such a great edge after all. I believe I still may have a slight edge vs. no zero roulette.

Also, I want to clarify my claims about winning about 1000 bets in a row. I was estimating and saying this to try to give an oversimplification of spectacular results I once achieved during simulations of no zero roulette. I didn't literally win 1,000 bets in a row. My reasoning for saying 1,000 bets in a row is because I tried to estimate the equivalency of great win streaks, while trying to hide (keep secret) the amount of numbers I am betting on at a time.

Quote: tough

What do all these posts mean? I honestly don't know. If you are trying to bully me, then good for you; you are such a big man bullying a girl behind your computer.

Note: I said "if". If you are not doing this to me, then this doesn't apply to you and I sincerely apologize.

Wait you are a girl? Named Tough?

So kinda like a girl with a name that sounds male in nature?

Quote: tough

It's time for some transparency and honesty. I was being genuine and telling the truth about my claims, but I am humbled with recent simulations I performed against roulette randomness. I ended up nearly in even territory after lengthy tests. Maybe I don't have such a great edge after all. I believe I still may have a slight edge vs. no zero roulette.

Also, I want to clarify my claims about winning about 1000 bets in a row. I was estimating and saying this to try to give an oversimplification of spectacular results I once achieved during simulations of no zero roulette. I didn't literally win 1,000 bets in a row. My reasoning for saying 1,000 bets in a row is because I tried to estimate the equivalency of great win streaks, while trying to hide (keep secret) the amount of numbers I am betting on at a time.

Tough, a girl, thinking it's time for some transparency.

Rambling about how you were being honest and transparent about results you once achieved.

You wouldn't happen to live in Florida by any chance and work at Walmart?

Quote: tough

What do all these posts mean? I honestly don't know. If you are trying to bully me, then good for you; you are such a big man bullying a girl behind your computer.

Note: I said "if". If you are not doing this to me, then this doesn't apply to you and I sincerely apologize.

This is a gibberish thread about a nonsense system. It seems perfectly on-topic when other posters post their random gibberish here, or take the Mickey out of the very concept of analysing random.
You started it.

And nobody cares about your gender.

Quote: OnceDear

This is a gibberish thread about a nonsense system. It seems perfectly on-topic when other posters post their random gibberish here

Tough may be on to something. Just because you don’t believe something, doesn’t mean people should be able to post off topic nonsense and troll. So, if you thought or think that God isn’t real, and people are talking about Him, then does that make it okay for people to troll on those posts?

Just because you can’t beat the maths of roulette doesn’t mean you can’t beat the game.

Do you have any concept of the powers of the mind and lateral thinking?

So called experts are currently wrong about things that are real, even today, e.g., telekinesis is real and is made out to be some kind of joke by the so called experts. Experts say that roulette cannot be beaten, and we are not sure if they are right.

Quote: caralarm

Tough may be on to something. Just because you don’t believe something, doesn’t mean people should be able to post off topic nonsense and troll. So, if you thought or think that God isn’t real, and people are talking about Him, then does that make it okay for people to troll on those posts?

Just because you can’t beat the maths of roulette doesn’t mean you can’t beat the game.

Do you have any concept of the powers of the mind and lateral thinking?

So called experts are currently wrong about things that are real, even today, e.g., telekinesis is real and is made out to be some kind of joke by the so called experts. Experts say that roulette cannot be beaten, and we are not sure if they are right.

Give it your best shot

Quote: caralarm

(snip)
Do you have any concept of the powers of the mind and lateral thinking?

So called experts are currently wrong about things that are real, even today, e.g., telekinesis is real and is made out to be some kind of joke by the so called experts. Experts say that roulette cannot be beaten, and we are not sure if they are right.

Telekinesis is real? Okay, I'll bite. Do you have an online source that you can provide?

Quote: gordonm888

Telekinesis is real? Okay, I'll bite. Do you have an online source that you can provide?

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Quote: tough

Maybe I don't have such a great edge after all.

Wow, goodbye..

I once set out to beat Sic Bo. After weeks of recording my rolls, I determined one number worked best. The number paid 14-1, and the correct odds were 17-1, but I'd figured out how to overcome that by increasing my bet when the amount was overdue. Bet $2 until I'd lost $26, then raise it to $3, etc., and so on. Weeks of practice showed that a $300 BR was enough.
So I go to AC, walk up to the table at Park Place, bet on the number, and proceed to watch as sixty-three rolls produce zero wins. I know it was sixty-three because that was the maximum rolls my bankroll would last, and I found myself broke.
It's amazing how well some plans work on paper.

I ran 200,000 sessions of flat betting a 50/50 bet until I was ahead. All 200,000 made a profit.

Here are the sessions that required 10 million bets or more, with their highest loss point (e.g the session that needed 16 billion bets was 237,810 bets behind at one point before eventually turning around and getting ahead by 1) and the session number:

# of Bets	Largest Loss	Session #
16,248,083,329	237,810	126,867
8,780,024,817	203,693	32,375
2,378,990,663	68,321	188,201
795,372,659	30,391	38,810
377,685,563	18,793	19,729
372,862,703	19,541	89,607
252,605,573	13,460	5,266
190,050,053	16,004	81,284
183,077,519	17,620	15,117
173,520,857	17,230	27,653
160,427,495	30,166	83,416
119,790,813	11,458	131,604
100,549,207	11,528	173,796
62,115,629	9,926	67,329
61,451,603	7,851	27,092
57,369,535	10,446	167,570
51,418,453	10,077	125,004
47,571,155	9,921	143,671
44,744,949	7,531	182,660
41,256,193	8,658	17,736
32,254,405	6,957	75,277
32,079,853	6,180	94,656
31,950,509	7,230	48,393
29,670,737	5,632	114,485
29,429,467	10,963	43,498
27,631,487	5,271	56,736
26,859,713	5,151	18,884
25,348,353	8,087	138,010
25,337,395	5,289	114,900
22,339,247	5,244	148,581
22,079,729	4,453	60,943
21,151,447	6,784	117,756
20,325,579	5,541	154,094
19,042,121	6,478	169,852
17,819,863	5,715	55,372
16,452,687	5,358	43,374
16,386,001	5,620	74,358
15,702,295	5,293	141,318
15,633,791	4,717	94,107
14,604,005	5,325	39,194
14,412,851	4,104	57,629
14,341,339	5,260	4,870
14,087,429	4,752	116,505
11,326,701	5,118	171,212
11,208,503	5,153	144,840
10,568,931	4,065	46,983
10,465,383	2,753	125,771

The strange thing is, even with a 50/50 bet, the expected number of bets needed to win diverges (i.e. approaches infinity).
The expected number = 1/2 + the sum over all n from 1 to positive infinity of ((Combin(2n,n) - Combin(2n,n-1)) x (2n+1) / 2²ⁿ⁺¹).

Quote: unJon

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

I totally read this in Vader's voice and laughed out loud while in the subway train. People started giving me looks.

Quote: EvenBob

Wow, goodbye..

This attitude is funny to me. People would prefer that you can gain some huge edge. It is more realistic to think that you could probably only gain a small edge like in card counting. Of course Charles claims an enormous edge, but whatever. It is still really interesting to me that you could do the mathematically impossible and beat no zero roulette.

EvenBob, everyone is free to do what they want, so good luck in whatever it is that you do.

Quote: gordonm888

Telekinesis is real? Okay, I'll bite. Do you have an online source that you can provide?

https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Telekinesis.html
Yes, caralarm is right; telekinesis is real. I learned it and performed it. It has no real application for me, so I stopped doing it and moved on. It's probably not like what you're thinking; I was only able to move very small, lightweight objects using telekinesis.I can confirm the following is effective. (note: this is copied and pasted from a Satanic website. I am not affiliated with anything Satanic whatsoever; I am a Christian. This may attract spirits; it does with me, but I can’t speak for everyone. I know people will laugh and perhaps think this is some kind of game; it’s not. Most people are just ignorant of the truth.

Telekinesis is the ability of the mind to move objects, through concentration. This is very advanced and you will need a very powerful aura. Like learning a gymnastics maneuver, with getting the *feel* for it and using it, it will become easier and easier with time, dedication and patience.
Everything on this Earth contains an energy field or aura, even inanimate objects. With performing telekinesis, you must connect your aura with aura of the object you intend to move. The strength of your aura will determine your success.
The following exercises help in developing telekinesis. You should be experienced with energy manipulation and have powerful hand chakras. In order to work up to this, the Foundation Meditation and the hand chakra meditation should be mastered.
This exercise is best done after power meditation when your aura is strong.

1. To begin, suspend a pendulum in front of you. This can be any object from a small pencil or a light ball, like a ping pong ball. Anything small, light and even will work. It must be in front of you, preferably over a table, where you can relax and sit. Hang the pendulum, so nothing is touching it or coming into physical contact with it and so it can move easily and freely.
2. Place your hands about an inch on each side of the pendulum, palms facing the pendulum. Direct energy through your palm chakras.
3. Now try pushing and pulling. You will see your aura pushing and pulling the object. One hand pushes, the other pulls. Visualize your aura connecting with the aura of the pendulum. Do not move your hands.
When you are able to move the pendulum, place your hands farther and farther apart.
The next step is to move the pendulum using the energy from your fingertips. At first, try to pull it with the energy from your fingertips.
The key is to keep distancing yourself from the object. The next step, which is extremely advanced is to begin using the powers of your third eye and move objects by connecting your aura with that of the object and willing them to move.
Do not get frustrated. This takes intense concenration, a strong mind and aura, but with enough patience and practice, the time you succeed in moving the object will become shorter and shorter. When you learn to use this area of your brain and strengthen it (it will become easier and easier), the first few times are the most difficult. It may take several sessions, sometimes even weeks, but it is not impossible.
Here are some practical tips:
Here are some tips:
1. It definitely helps to be able to see auras. When we open our third eye, this gives us the ability, but we must learn to use this ability to see. This is analagous to athletics. If one has the strength and flexibility, the potential is there, all one needs to do is the movement to get the feel and to train the movement into muscle memory. It is the same with the mind.
2. Start out with light objects. Gemstones such as quartz crystals are great, provided they are small and light. These have a stronger aura of their own.
3. Telekinesis is best attempted after power meditation when one's energy is most radiant.
4. Telekinesis like any other skill should be worked on daily until mastered. Heavier and heavier objects can replace the lighter ones as proficiency is achieved. I have had success with the above method.

Quote: tough

I guess no one has ever looked into information from [name redacted] [site redacted] dot com (the dot is a .). This can be found using the wayback machine (internet archives); go to the January 2010 snapshot or earlier. You may have to play with the site, e.g., highlighting text to see it.

I have spent about two years on this before figuring out how to put a huge dent in the house edge for european roulette. It's not that hard to figure out, and it's really simple to track. This flat bet is a formula that consistently beats no zero roulette (unfortunately, there is no such thing). Charles claimed to make about 4 million per year playing roulette and created a trust of professional roulette players that donate and help children in need.

I have also come across interesting results while trying to find other consistent winning formulas, e.g., I won every bet for about 1,000 spins; possibly, randomness doesn't always behave randomly, idk the explanation.

Quote: caralarm

I've seen this site before. Here are clues from that Charles guy...

Allow me tell you once and forever…you can only… find a way to beat
the Game…not the Odds.

SERIES RESULTS:

Because roulette is random it means that anything can happen and at anytime within the parameters of the game. Because it is random it throws up colours, numbers, dozens, even bets, and blocks in short and longer series. This results in a “pattern” that you may recognize. A good lesson to look at these patterns, because it will teach your brain how to think about roulette

However you will not find a consistent winning bet within any of the series simply because you will never know when the change comes. This kind of bet is often touted by the roulette system sharks. You will lose…twice.

MIXED RESULTS:

These are the kind that jump all over the table or wheel. Look closely and of course you can see patterns of a kind too. Ie. abccbaabcabcdca …etc. Same rules as above apply.



You have to set your own trap that consistently traps more winners than losers. Only correct knowledge can help you find one.

Now you can perhaps make one more clever move yourself. For instance...if you can find a bet that has real "Stability", and it does not lose, but does not give you a profit, you could look and test to see if there is "A BET WITHIN THAT BET". It will be a slow winner...but a winner is a winner! It also may be that the "CONSISTENCY" is so good you can bet quite heavy. You may just need a "Dummy" (no win - no lose) bet to while the time.

Quote: OnceDear

I'll flag your post to wizard for his attention.

Well, the wizard didn’t come on here and rule it out, so there’s that. Though, I’m not ruling out the possibility that he may do that.

I seem able to move my girlfriend through telekinesis.

I just think about cheating on her and suddenly I get slapped in the face!

people who have an edge at a craps table shut up play, they don't talk about it.

Quote: FleaStiff

people who have an edge at a craps table shut up play, they don't talk about it.

It's a free country; it's not like I'm in some top secret CIA operation, where I can't leak classified information, now is it?

What's going to happen if a genuine, winning method is made available to the public anyway? I would be happy for the casinos to lose money. It’s not like the casinos can make you stop using your brain to think and only allow you to bet certain places depending on results and previous bets.

Anyway, that's not what this is about. This is just an incidence of this topic being morphed into something else. I guess it's all related, though.

Quote: darkoz

I seem able to move my girlfriend through telekinesis.

I just think about cheating on her and suddenly I get slapped in the face!

So she's the psychic one because she can read your mind when you are thinking about cheating.

Well, I did ask for an internet source on proof for telekinesis and the response was a link to a site called "The Joy of Satan." I couldn't do the exercises on that site due to the lamentable absence of chakras on my palms.

I think we have veered off-topic. Let's return to the original majestic topic of this majestic thread.

As for "The Joy of Satan" I will add it to my reading queue, somewhat behind "The Joy of Grieving," "The Joy of Unrequited Love," "The Joy of Disease and Poor Health," and, of course, "The Joy of Imelda Staunton."

Quote: gordonm888

Well, I did ask for an internet source on proof for telekinesis and the response was a link to a site called "The Joy of Satan." I couldn't do the exercises on that site due to the lamentable absence of chakras on my palms.

I think we have veered off-topic. Let's return to the original majestic topic of this majestic thread.

As for "The Joy of Satan" I will add it to my reading queue, somewhat behind "The Joy of Grieving," "The Joy of Unrequited Love," "The Joy of Disease and Poor Health," and, of course, "The Joy of Imelda Staunton."

Imo, It's okay to use such an excuse, like saying you are uncomfortable with performing the spiritual exercises, because of religious beliefs, fear of spirits, or something of that nature. The absence of chakras is no excuse, because I never did chakra work with my palms before I tried the telekinesis and spiritual exercises/meditations, and I bet that it would take anyone a maximum of two weeks to achieve any success with telekinesis using information from JoyofSatan. That is a generous maximum; most likely, you will be able to move things, using telekinesis, within days. This is big news, because it proves all the so called experts wrong, like caralarm was saying.

It is greatly unfair to place Satanism in a category of disease and negativity. Anyone who has genuinely tried or done satanic practices based off knowledge from JoyofSatan knows that there is truly nothing negative about it. Satanic energy is actually very positive. You are falling for the mainstream garbage about Satanism. I know there are probably nut bag, evil Satanists that may be into Satanism for the wrong reasons, but the vast majority are not. The majority of Satanists are compassionate, and probably more so than the average person. This is coming from a Christian; I choose to not partake in Satanism for my own reasons, but I won't unfairly judge Satanists nor paint them as evil.

Quote: tough

It’s not like the casinos can make you stop using your brain to think and only allow you to bet certain places depending on results and previous bets.

They ban card counters for using their brains.

Do you think it should be legal to be banned from anywhere based on nonthreatening thoughts?

The "audacity" of these casinos!!!!

Quote: tough

They ban card counters for using their brains.

Do you think it should be legal to be banned from anywhere based on nonthreatening thoughts?

The "audacity" of these casinos!!!!

Should the casinos be able to ban someone that uses telekinesis to peek at the dealer’s hole card?

Quote: unJon

Should the casinos be able to ban someone that uses telekinesis to peek at the dealer’s hole card?

It would be very hard for the casinos to know if someone is using psychic means to “cheat” in such cases. I definitely don’t think card counting should be considered “cheating” like the casinos do. Should it even be considered cheating for a player to use psychic means to win?

Quote: tough

This is big news, because it proves all the so called experts wrong.

It's true. I personally can lift a medium sized car over my head just by waggling my ears. With one year's intensive practice anyone except a cynic could learn to do it.

Yeah. Proven conclusively.

Oh why o why do we get drawn to keep bumping this nonsense thread??

Quote: OnceDear

It's true. I personally can lift a medium sized car over my head just by waggling my ears. With one year's intensive practice anyone except a cynic could learn to do it.

Yeah. Proven conclusively.

Oh why o why do we get drawn to keep bumping this nonsense thread??

I think this would make a great Mr. Wizard challenge. Should a month be enough time to lift a unicycle?

Quote: tough

I guess no one has ever looked into information from [name redacted] [site redacted] dot com (the dot is a .).

You put some thought and effort (copy paste from where?) to push that scammer's website.
Do it again and you'll see my telekinesis in action.

I'm not into Telekinesis but I do like Telly Savalas

the thing is you have to believe
you have to free your mind
you have to release all of your inhibitions and all of your preconceived ideas
let your soul run free like a deer running thru the forest in the springtime
like a fish swimming easily thru a crystal clear lake of cool water

Quote: lilredrooster

the thing is you have to believe
you have to free your mind
you have to release all of your inhibitions and all of your preconceived ideas
let your soul run free like a deer running thru the forest in the springtime
like a fish swimming easily thru a crystal clear lake of cool water

Satan wants your soul !!!!!

Quote: billryan

Satan wants your soul !!!!!

Satan and The Wiz. Mike
buys souls, you know..

Quote: OnceDear

It's true. I personally can lift a medium sized car over my head just by waggling my ears. With one year's intensive practice anyone except a cynic could learn to do it.

Yeah. Proven conclusively.

Oh why o why do we get drawn to keep bumping this nonsense thread??

There are lots of people on here mocking me. The instructions I posted to do telekinesis are free and simple. How could anybody mess it up? Genuinely, give it a shot, then if it doesn't work (I know it will), you can mock.

Put some thought and effort into doing something useful, instead of bashing me for handing out the truth on a silver platter.

It's truly sad that I'm being bashed over the telekinesis stuff. If you can't even manage to do these simple exercises that prove it's real, then how would you ever expect to be able to put effort into discovering something more hidden, like a consistent winning roulette formula? And if that's the case, why are you even here trolling?

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: tough

I guess no one has ever looked into information from [name redacted] [site redacted] dot com (the dot is a .).

You put some thought and effort (copy paste from where?) to push that scammer's website.
Do it again and you'll see my telekinesis in action.

How exactly did Charles scam people by giving them free information to create a consistent winning roulette formula? It's all about the series and mixed results. It's so simple.

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that by perfecting a minor thing like telekinesis, I will be on the road to learning important things like how to win in roulette?

That's something I'll admit I had not thought of.

Quote: billryan

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that by perfecting a minor thing like telekinesis, I will be on the road to learning important things like how to win in roulette?

That's something I'll admit I had not thought of.

I brought up telekinesis to demonstrate that the experts and the vast majority of the world's population are wrong and/or ignorant about things that they are so confident of. I even gave everyone the free JoyofSatan link so they can see for themselves that it's real. It's really lame and negative in many ways to bash something that you have neither understanding nor experience of. Now, there is no excuse, other than laziness, to not discover the truth and to stop bashing.

Another thing is that I have said that outside forces influence randomness, and this is just one categorical example of things that could be influencing random.

tough, you are certainly free to believe what you want. Life is an adventure and we acknowledge your right to live the adventure in whatever way you feel is appropriate.

However, when you bring up telekinesis and satanism I think you should, as a minimum, expect other people to be skeptical about your claims. Surely this forum is not the only place where you have encountered skepticism about these things?

And a Joyofsatan website providing instructions on telekinesis is NOT proof of telekinesis. Posting a video of someone performing telekinesis would at least be a starting point. I did indeed go back and try to follow the satanic instructions on telekinesis as best I could, and nothing happened.

Quote: tough

There are lots of people on here mocking me. The instructions I posted to do telekinesis are free and simple. How could anybody mess it up? Genuinely, give it a shot, then if it doesn't work (I know it will), you can mock.

Put some thought and effort into doing something useful, instead of bashing me for handing out the truth on a silver platter..

On this forum, we are not allowed to make personal insults, especially we moderators.

However, I can confidently call myself a brain dead moron if I were to waste my time trying to move inanimate objects by telekinesis. I would be pretty dim to even read any more of your rubbish.

If you persuaded me, or others to do such 'training', you would score some kudos, a bit like if you could persuade me to jump in a lake to prove that I could fly.

Nibbling: Not biting.

So, I will continue to mock the nonsense that is posted in this thread, as I see fit. I don't need to prove anything to you to earn that right.

Yes. I'll do something useful. I'll call out your nonsense and I'll consider whether to treat you as a troll.

I'm disinclined to give this thread further oxygen. Goodbye for now.

Quote: gordonm888

tough, you are certainly free to believe what you want. Life is an adventure and we acknowledge your right to live the adventure in whatever way you feel is appropriate.

However, when you bring up telekinesis and satanism I think you should, as a minimum, expect other people to be skeptical about your claims. Surely this forum is not the only place where you have encountered skepticism about these things?

And a Joyofsatan website providing instructions on telekinesis is NOT proof of telekinesis. Posting a video of someone performing telekinesis would at least be a starting point. I did indeed go back and try to follow the satanic instructions on telekinesis as best I could, and nothing happened.

Something happened.

You wasted a few minutes of your precious time

Quote: gordonm888

Posting a video of someone performing telekinesis would at least be a starting point.

Obviously, videos could just be faked. I figure it's best for people to just learn it themselves by using these valid instructions.

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However, I can confidently call myself a brain dead moron if I were to waste my time trying to move inanimate objects by telekinesis.

Hahaha. I've moved things numerous times using telekinesis. How is that a waste of time. It is a skill. I learned it. I performed it. That is the truth.

I can confidently call myself a narrow minded brain dead moron if I were to pass up genuine, knowledge handed over to me on a silver platter that proves all the so called experts wrong.

Quote: OnceDear

I would be pretty dim to even read any more of your rubbish.

Correction: you would be open-minded at the least to read facts.

Lily Dale, New York is a central place for psychic activity of all sorts

if you want some really 𝐫𝐨𝐜𝐤 𝐬𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐝 info on all kinds of psychic phenomena you should go there
especially if you would like to speak with your dearly departed Mom or Pop or hubby or wifey or bro or sis
you won't be dissapointed

from Wiki:

"Lily Dale became the largest center of the Spiritualist movement as other similar organizations went into decline.

The prominence of Lily Dale in American Spiritualist culture is attested by the fact that it hosts the headquarters of the National Spiritualist Association of Churches (NSAC), founded in 1893: the NSAC’s first president, Harrison D. Barrett, was himself a Lily Dale resident.

Lily Dale is a place of pilgrimage for many Spiritualists and others interested in Spiritualism, the paranormal, and New Age topics. A large population of mediums and Spiritualist healers reside in Lily Dale year round. Television mediums Lisa Williams and Michelle Whitedove have homes here."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Dale,_New_York

Where is James Randi when we need him. If only Randi was not 91 years old.....

I can see it now. Posted on all the table games right next to the rules and non smoking signs "Absolutely No Telekinesis Allowed"