The Adventures of MDawg

Quote: coachbelly

How does that apply to MDawg's trip reports?

Jacobson wrote about a Bac player who won 10s of million$ over a period of 3 years.

No system detail, session records, trip reports, photos, or any explanation of any kind was provided, except to say that the guy got lucky.

Yet Jacobson's big player's math-defying winning ways was accepted with open arms by the same group of members who insist that it's not possible.

Can you explain that?

I accept that a player can win playing a -EV game over several years, especially since we are not talking about playing every day, more like several trips a year lasting for several days, maybe even weeks at a time. So that is still a relatively small sample size. And if a player were to go on that kind of run playing high stakes that could amount to winning 7 figures, as per Eliot's example. (which if I am not mistaken ended up with the player losing it all back.....because that is the way -EV play works).

But I reject your comparison of Mdawg's "adventures" to the example that Eliot provided. there are several differences which matter a great deal.

1.) Mdawg never loses. Not a session, not a day, certainly not a trip. That is not the way gambling works and you know it. Luckiest person on the face of the earth or not.

2.) Mdawg announced this time last year on one of his trips that he would continue to win.....and then has done just that.

3.) Then you have to consider all Mdawgs other antics. His stock market picks....every one also a winner.

I mean come on, I know you like to play instigator, but there comes a time when you have to call out the guy peeing on your leg and telling you that it is raining.

Here let me quote one of your other "buddies". Wise up!

Quote: darkoz

Since no one has seen how he plays and he refused to say how, then how can his claims be mathematically proven.

Has any mathematician categorically stated that negative EV games without administration of some type of advantage CAN be beat day in and day out?

This was written about extensively. MDawg explained how he plays, and his claims were proven to be possible.

I don't think calendar days are a factor, total outcomes are a factor....doesn't matter what day it is.

A player CAN win consistently over a period defined as the number of outcomes that MDawg has recounted so far.

MDawg hasn't played enough such that it's mathematically impossible to have won...not even close to impossible.

Quote: rainman

If anyone here thinks an Attorney would conduct himself as MDawg does you
should rethink your position....

[Edit for brevity]

MDawg, anyway we could see your BAR card :)

Rainman, I see your smiley!

I understand that Wizard has previously made clear that out-right accusing MDawg of not being an attorney is so tantamount to calling him a Liar, that it would be deemed as a personal insult.

I advise you that Wizard MIGHT decide to suspend you for this post.

However, for now, please accept this rebuke and reminder that Wizard's interpretation of what constitutes a personal insult can be quite strict.
You are not obliged to prove that you don't believe some of his claims, because that opinion needs no proof. But an accusation of lying would put the onus on you to defend that claim.

And.... to anyone tempted to troll me on 'defending claims'.... Let's not go there. Thank you. $:o)
See. I do smileys too.

I think when the Wizard says it's time to put up or shutup in relation to MDawg displaying how he plays then even the Wizard has realized MDawg's claims are beyond the pale.

MDawg chose to shutup! Never allowed Wizard to observe his play

Quote: rainman

Are you and MDawg working this shell game together?

No shell game, just show up with the required documents and your free-roll is on me.

Quote: coachbelly

Correct - I will cover your action if you lose.

All you need to do is comply with MDawg's conditions found here
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/35670-challenge-to-axelwolf-the-daddy-of-all-wagers/12/

PM me so we can work out the logistics.

I have been thinking on this You know I'm going to lose & I know
I'm gonna lose we should just skip all the formalities and you
should "pay the man his money"

Quote: coachbelly

Apparently not, but it's very hard to get away with it for very long.

rainman implied that Marcus, BoSox and myself could be MDawg sock puppets.

Do you suspect that as well?

Do I suspect MD has a sock or two here? YES. Do I think he is clever enough not to get caught? YES.
Rainman? I don't think so.
BoSox? I don't think so.
You? I don't think so.
Marcus? Possibly, I think it's more likely that Marcus is a sock of someone else. I really haven't put that much thought into it so I don't really know. I do think it's a bit strange that he did a 360 regarding MDawg.
For some, it may be hard to get away with for very long. I know a few people who have had more than one account here for years, but since I like them, I say nothing.
Some people have only been busted because they purposely outed themselves.

I wish Mike would let me do an experiment to see how long I could pull off a sock puppet account, but methinks he is no fun when it comes to stuff like that.

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: rainman

If anyone here thinks an Attorney would conduct himself as MDawg does you
should rethink your position....

[Edit for brevity]

MDawg, anyway we could see your BAR card :)

Rainman, I see your smiley!

I understand that Wizard has previously made clear that out-right accusing MDawg of not being an attorney is so tantamount to calling him a Liar, that it would be deemed as a personal insult.

I advise you that Wizard MIGHT decide to suspend you for this post.

However, for now, please accept this rebuke and reminder that Wizard's interpretation of what constitutes a personal insult can be quite strict.
You are not obliged to prove that you don't believe some of his claims, because that opinion needs no proof. But an accusation of lying would put the onus on you to defend that claim.

And.... to anyone tempted to troll me on 'defending claims'.... Let's not go there. Thank you. $:o)
See. I do smileys too.

So let me bring my attorney super powers to bear on this, since I just learned that nobody can say I'm not an attorney.

LOL.

Let me get this straight. Nobody can say, "MDawg's claims are a crock," because that implies that he's lying, but I can say (political incorrectness aside), "Anybody who believes MDawg's claims is a retard" because that does NOT directly attack MDawg's veracity and is also non-specific in that it refers to no particular individual as a retard.

Do I have that correct?

See, I am getting at something nuanced here. If I say, "Anybody who believes MDawg's claims is a retard," I'm not stating that the claims are impossible or that retards aren't occasionally correct on many things. What the statement implies is that anyone with a lick of worldliness or an IQ over 70 would not take the claims seriously. That is, as coach belly would undoubtedly agree, a statement of probabilistic likelihood as opposed to absolute certainty.

A broken clock is right twice a day, and retards are undoubtedly right quite often regarding exceedingly unlikely things, but they are wrong far more often.

So, anyway, let me know if I have a grasp of the rules and regs. I would, after all, hate to be banned for offending MDawg's sensibilties.

I'm not making any aspersions here

But it is a fact that most con games require the efforts of two people.

Generally one is a primary (who makes a claim or suggests others put up money)

The secondary is usually someone who appears unconnected (but mysteriously shows up always at just the pivotal moment) in order to goad the mark and affirm the primary so the mark winds up compelled to put up the stake.

Just saying, that's how con games work in general.

Certainly no one sees anything like that around here I am confident

Quote: kewlj

But I reject your comparison of Mdawg's "adventures" to the example that Eliot provided. there are several differences which matter a great deal.

You don't have enough detail about Jacobson's big player to make such comparisons, you are assuming facts not in evidence. As far as you know, there are no differences.

If I believed or cared that MDawg was lying, or if I felt upset or antagonized by his posts, then I would not read or reply to him.

Isn't that what you have done to me? Why was it so easy to ignore me, but not MDawg?

We should all just start making up some big baller stories.

I could say something like how I started taking Bitcoin back in 2010 as payment for my super-secret AP classes.

Quote: darkoz

Never allowed Wizard to observe his play

I'm not sure that was resolved as you claim.

But never say never, MDawg claims to be in LV.

I think the Wizard has the standing to negotiate whatever meeting he feels is appropriate.

I'm certain that nearly 100% of the members would encourage them to meet ASAP.

Axel should reach out as well, he regularly comments that nobody has ever met MDawg.

I think it's on Axel to make that happen. Put up or shut up.

Quote: AxelWolf

We should all just start making up some big baller stories.

I could say something like how I started taking Bitcoin back in 2010 as payment for my super-secret AP classes.

Axel, I have recommended this in the past. We all just invent grotesque tales of exciting wins and banging supermodels (male, female, trans, no bias here). We try to one-up each other, under the aegis that no one can be called a liar.

It would be fun to see what props could be photographed in support of the tall tales. I have a lot of props here, and one of my friends has what amounts to serial killer and carnival memorabilia stretching back decades. We could have a grand old time.

Quote: rainman

I have been thinking on this You know I'm going to lose & I know
I'm gonna lose we should just skip all the formalities and you
should "pay the man his money"

I'm not that clear on the parameters of the bet, I just want to see one of these bets happen,
and am willing to pay the winner no matter what the bet is or the outcome.

Please don't tell me now that you are afraid to follow through, I just sold all my Bitcoin to cover your losses.

Quote: AxelWolf

We should all just start making up some big baller stories.

I could say something like how I started taking Bitcoin back in 2010 as payment for my super-secret AP classes.

I have a better Bitcoin story than that, but what's the point since it's assumed that everybody is lying?

Quote: rainman

If anyone here thinks an Attorney would conduct himself as MDawg does you
should rethink your position.

The bet he offered Axel was an absolute joke, shady as hell it went like this.

I'll bet you 250-500k I am who I say I am and I do what I say I do
and you have to accept the proof I provide and only the proof
I wish to provide and if we could do this in bitcoin that would
be great. "shell game hustle kids" I can't believe he put so much
time and effort Axel was never going for this he should have tried
the old banana in the tail pipe.

MDawg, anyway we could see your BAR card :)

MDawg could prove his BitCoin claim's without any risk to his identity or coins.

MDawg could easily meet up with Mike and let him watch as he plays a nice session of Baccarat.

Quote: coachbelly

I have a better Bitcoin story than that, but what's the point since it's assumed that everybody is lying?

It's not assumed that everyone is lying. Just people who make absurd and fantastic claims repeatedly.

Quote: coachbelly

I'm not sure that was resolved as you claim.

But never say never, MDawg claims to be in LV.

I think the Wizard has the standing to negotiate whatever meeting he feels is appropriate.

I'm certain that nearly 100% of the members would encourage them to meet ASAP.

Axel should reach out as well, he regularly comments that nobody has ever met MDawg.

I think it's on Axel to make that happen. Put up or shut up.

If MDawg really wanted to meet up with Mike in person to watch him play, he would have done so long ago.

Quote: coachbelly

I'm not that clear on the parameters of the bet, I just want to see one of these bets happen,
and am willing to pay the winner no matter what the bet is or the outcome.

Please don't tell me now that you are afraid to follow through, I just sold all my Bitcoin to cover your losses.

Well I'm having trouble with you telling me I have no risk and
then directing me to MDawgs list of demands to which I must
comply which gee seemingly are fraught with risk. Can you
see the paradox here. So uh no I won't be falling for the
banana in the tailpipe this time. There is always tomorrow.

Quote: coachbelly

I have a better Bitcoin story than that, but what's the point since it's assumed that everybody is lying?

Quote: sabre

It's not assumed that everyone is lying. Just people who make absurd and fantastic claims repeatedly.

What he said.

If you are nice, I might be inclined to post up some fakery as I suggested I could do.

Let's be clear here. Wizard meeting up with and observing Mdawg's play hasn't occurred because MDawg refuses to agree to it. It's not hard to figure out why.

Quote: AxelWolf

If MDawg really wanted to meet up with Mike in person to watch him play, he would have done so long ago.

Long ago is long over now. If MD is in LV, then Mike knows how to contact him and can arrange a meeting.

Mike has leverage, I don't understand why he won't use it.

Put up or shut up...that's what he said. So settle this now, once and for all.

Quote: coachbelly

Put up or shut up...that's what he said. So settle this now, once and for all.

Well good. I think we are all in agreement on this then. Well all but MDawg. Lol. He is the one that said "no".

Quote: rainman

MDawgs list of demands to which I must
comply which gee seemingly are fraught with risk.

You risk nothing if you show up with the cashiers check.

I will cover your losses, I will arrange this with MDawg,
it's not a problem for either me or MDawg.

MDawg wants you to prove that you are worthy of his attention beyond this forum,
this is established to his satisfaction by you presenting a cashiers check.

There is no risk of you losing those funds.

You just need to show up, and you are free-rolling.

Quote: kewlj

Well good. I think we are all in agreement on this then. Well all but MDawg. Lol. He is the one that said "no".

That was then, this is now.

MDawg is in your town right now, reach out and he'll be there.

Mike has leverage right now...he can make good on his threat...no excuses unless Mike is out of town.

Quote: coachbelly

You risk nothing if you show up with the cashiers check.

I will cover your losses, I will arrange this with MDawg,
it's not a problem for either me or MDawg.

MDawg wants you to prove that you are worthy of his attention beyond this forum,
this is established to his satisfaction by you presenting a cashiers check.

There is no risk of you losing those funds.

You just need to show up, and you are free-rolling.

This is just ridiculous

If there is no risk of losing the cashier's check then I can just pull the money out in cash, say here I got money, now show me.

If he wants a cashier's check deposited it's because there is a means of him getting his hands on it.

Quote: darkoz

If he wants a cashier's check deposited it's because there is a means of him getting his hands on it.

I don't think he wants the check deposited, just presented to verify bonafides for all participants.

That's not ridiculous, it seems reasonable to me since there is no risk...less risky than showing up with cash.

Quote: coachbelly

That was then, this is now.

MDawg is in your town right now, reach out and he'll be there.

Mike has leverage right now...he can make good on his threat...no excuses unless Mike is out of town.

I don't speak for Mike. I encourage him to meet Mdawg, just as I did before. I hope he is able to.

I am wondering if you are authorized to be speaking for Mdawg on this matter though, simply because last time, this was about to come down it was Mdawg who would not agree to it and even privately tried to talk Mike out of it.

Quote: coachbelly

You risk nothing if you show up with the cashiers check.

I will cover your losses, I will arrange this with MDawg,
it's not a problem for either me or MDawg.

MDawg wants you to prove that you are worthy of his attention beyond this forum,
this is established to his satisfaction by you presenting a cashiers check.

There is no risk of you losing those funds.

You just need to show up, and you are free-rolling.

Coach belly, why the middleman? Why not just take the other side of the wafer directly?

Quote: coachbelly

I don't think he wants the check deposited, just presented to verify bonafides for all participants.

That's not ridiculous, it seems reasonable to me since there is no risk...less risky than showing up with cash.

Bonafides for what?

Only rich people can participate?

MDawg has said the money is to make it worth his time. That means he intends to receive the money and believes he will win a wager.

Which means risk is involved.

For you to claim showing up with a cashier's check for tens of thousands is just to show him a piece of paper and then put it back in your pocket is the full intent of asking for this check is sheer retardness

Quote: darkoz

Bonafides for what?

Only rich people can participate?

MDawg has said the money is to make it worth his time. That means he intends to receive the money and believes he will win a wager.

Which means risk is involved.

For you to claim showing up with a cashier's check for tens of thousands is just to show him a piece of paper and then put it back in your pocket is the full intent of asking for this check is sheer retardness

Not to mention how risky it is to carry around a cashiers check to begin with.
For Christ sake what if I get caught in the stall at the airport with no T.P and
forgot to wear socks, it could get real expensive.

Quote: darkoz

Only rich people can participate?

That's true if a cashiers check for $500K means that you're rich, but rainman chose that bet.

Quote: darkoz

Which means risk is involved.

For you to claim showing up with a cashier's check for tens of thousands is just to show him a piece of paper and then put it back in your pocket is the full intent of asking for this check is sheer retardness

MDawg is risking $500K and so am I, but rainman is risking nothing.

The required check from rainman is only to establish bonafides, there is no risk for him.

It's like establishing your net worth before being considered for membership to a country club, or ability to bid at an auction.

They are not setting up a scam to steal your deposit...they just want to establish that you have money before wasting their time considering you for membership.

Quote: coachbelly

You risk nothing if you show up with the cashiers check.

I will cover your losses, I will arrange this with MDawg,
it's not a problem for either me or MDawg.

MDawg wants you to prove that you are worthy of his attention beyond this forum,
this is established to his satisfaction by you presenting a cashiers check.

There is no risk of you losing those funds.

You just need to show up, and you are free-rolling.

Why are you trying to sell this bag of excrement so hard your starting to sound
desperate just like MDawg when he was trying to sell this sack of to Axel.

Wait! Is coach belly proposing that Wizard should pay to see MDawg play? That is not Going to happen.

This is Mdawgs chance (again) to have his play verified by Wizard, a recognized casino math expert and end this fiasco once and for all.

Quote: kewlj

Mdawg who would not agree to it and even privately tried to talk Mike out of it.

This is none of your concern.

Again...facts not in evidence.

How could you have knowledge of their private communications?

Quote: coachbelly

That's true if a cashiers check for $500K means that you're rich, but rainman chose that bet.



MDawg is risking $500K and so am I, but rainman is risking nothing.

The required check from rainman is only to establish bonafides, there is no risk for him.

It's like establishing your net worth before being considered for membership to a country club, or ability to bid at an auction.

They are not setting up a scam to steal your deposit...they just want to establish that you have money before wasting their time considering you for membership.

So you and MDawg are also each showing up with half million dollar cashier's checks, lmao

Quote: rainman

your starting to sound desperate

You accepted the bet when it wasn't even offered to you.

Nobody is desperate for you to follow through, it was always understood that you could not.

Quote: coachbelly

That's true if a cashiers check for $500K means that you're rich, but rainman chose that bet.



MDawg is risking $500K and so am I, but rainman is risking nothing.

The required check from rainman is only to establish bonafides, there is no risk for him.

It's like establishing your net worth before being considered for membership to a country club, or ability to bid at an auction.

They are not setting up a scam to steal your deposit...they just want to establish that you have money before wasting their time considering you for membership.

Look dude maybe you better go back and read it again I didn't choose the bet
I have been mocking it from the beginning a few posts ago I made it blatantly
clear I'm not falling for the banana in the tailpipe.

Quote: darkoz

So you and MDawg are also each showing up with half million dollar cashier's checks, lmao

No I am not required to show the check.

I am required to cover rainman's loss.

I'm also willing to cover your action, just say the word...put up or shut up.

Quote: rainman

I didn't choose the bet

Sure you did.

Quote: rainman

Awesome I will take the 500k bet he offered

Stop this nonsense about a bet. There was never going to be any bet. The terms were set by Mdawg to GUARANTEE that there would be no bet!

What there should be is Wizard witnessing Mdawgs play to fulfill the "time to put up or shup up" declaration that Wizard made back in December.

Absent Mdawg agreeing to that, I vote that he should not be given this platform (WoV) to continue to make these ridiculous claims. Let him fill his ego on that other stupid forum in which he is the only poster on.

Quote: coachbelly

With all the challenges/bets/freerolls etc, it's getting all convoluted. Let's specifically talk about Mike meeting with MDawg. Yeah, someone will have to ask MD what or if he is requiring Mike to do to watch him play. In the past MDawg said he wanted to meet with Mike and there was no talk of any requirements.

Since MD has gone on about trust issues/worthiness in the past, thus the requirements, unless he doesn't believe Mike is worthy/trustworthy then there shouldn't be any requirements. It should be fairly simple, you would think.

Quote: kewlj

This is Mdawgs chance (again) to have his play verified by Wizard

I agree, the Wizard should insist on meeting and watching MDawg play...immediately!

I propose no conditions other than what the Wizard and MDawg agree upon.

The Wizard has all the leverage here, I'm not aware of any reason why he would not insist on the meetup.

But if he doesn't, then I'm willing to stipulate that he had a good reason not to meet.

Quote: coachbelly

Sure you did.

MMM... Maybe you should quote the whole thing it kinda
helps show the sarcasm don't you think.

Quote: kewlj

Absent Mdawg agreeing to that

Both parties must agree to meet.

Your vote has been noted and deposited in the appropriate receptacle.

Quote: rainman

MMM... Maybe you should quote the whole thing it kinda
helps show the sarcasm don't you think.

Wait...what?...you clearly wrote that you accepted the bet, but now you are claiming that you wrote something else which meant that you weren't sincere?

What was that?

Quote: AxelWolf

someone will have to ask MD what or if he is requiring Mike to do to watch him play

I disagree, Mike has all the leverage here. He should call the shots.

Quote: coachbelly

Wait...what?...you clearly wrote that you accepted the bet, but now you are claiming that you wrote something else which meant that you weren't sincere?

What was that?

You are correct I wasn't sincere...Its called sarcasm.

It's not a wager if I can't lose anything that's called bait for a potential scam
furthermore if I did make a wager don't you think I would be talking
to the other side (Mdawg) not you.

You sound a lot like MDawg you guys hang out in person?

I like old metal sometimes here is a good song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0obBdrfUMzU&ab_channel=Metallica-Topic

Someone asked me what the coronavirus risk might be in Vegas....

Well, both my wife and I are vaccinated now, but we both still wear masks. Everyone must wear a mask and there are also plexiglass barriers at the tables, but I suppose if someone right next to me had it, it could be a potential issue. We do not dine in restaurants and eat all takeout to minimize the risk.

There is definitely a risk - greater than say staying at home - but we were here a month and a half Oct/Nov 2020, and didn't catch it....

Started with this

in the suite, which got me thinking that things were really going to happen downstairs today.

First off my usual table had this insane Asian girl sitting at it, stacked, thin, shapely and very pretty. Some other Asian guy sat down next to her in the center spot, and I assumed they were together, but turns out they weren't. He bet recklessly and lost his entire bankroll, a few grand, relatively quickly.

As soon as he left, I moved right next to her and introduced myself. We got the fact that she had a boyfriend and I was married out of the way right off the bat, so there was none of that, instead we just tried to reason through the shoes together. Her problem, which I tried to point out to her, was that she wasn't pressing into the runs. She said that she was afraid to change her bet on the runs because it seemed like she would lose every time she increased. She also kept saying that she had this thing about constantly getting a nine without the ten or face to back it up.

Anyway, we had a couple of good shoes with some decent side by side runs, and she ended more or less even and left.

I kept playing, and occasionally another player would come up, play hard and pretty much lose, and leave. I was never up more than 2500 and at the end of the third shoe I left 2000 ahead, with a 600 average. I had a couple big bets, one 3000 and one 2000 (the 2000 was my final bet actually, which brought me back to +2000), and I won both of them. No case bets today. I did get as low as -2000 for the session at one point.

One thing that in an odd way threw me off a tad was that this one particular dealer simply ASSUMED that I was going to get a natural or something good every hand somehow, from my mannerisms. When I have two cards that I know add up to not much, such as a two sided and a three sided, I don't look much further and just wait for the dealer to open the opposing side at my request. I spend a tad more time looking to see if I have something good, if the combination of the two cards are such that there is hope that they will add up to 6 or better. But it was as if every time I looked at my cards, whether quickly or less than quickly, this dealer kept saying, "I know you have something good." Finally I had to say, "Come on - I don't get a nine EVERY time," and the dealer came back with, "I know you _____, you ALWAYS win." I actually didn't like playing with that dealer today because it interrupted the flow of my thinking to have that subtle pressure on me to win every hand. Maybe it had to do with that the hot young Asian girl (who wasn't by any means a skank - as corny as it might sound, she was a lovely girl) was local, and the dealers knew her even better than they knew me, and they wanted me to win for her. Certainly the girl was tipping out more than I was today! she had a green chip on the side of so many of her bets it eventually seemed as though it were a permanent appendage.

Anyway, I was fine with plus two grand by the end. A win is a win. Just toss it in the winner's envelope. Until tomorrow.

I won, but I think I do better alone.