The Adventures of MDawg
December 14th, 2020 at 8:14:52 AM
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There's a first step that I think most people would agree is the most important to anyone attempting this challenge. GUARANTEE OF PAYMENT IF SUCCESSFUL. I'm not going to worry about much else until Im satisfied I know ill get paid if successful.Quote: MDawgAs long as we are clear on all this:
then I am ready to roll to the next steps. I will be away from the computer for long periods today don't think this means I have disappeared.
This will obviously take some effort. I don't even really know how to post personal pictures or video's on here proper, I may have done it in the past using a twitter link or something.
So being sure I'll get paid if successful is paramount.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2020 at 8:15:24 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfWhy do you assume it's not going to happen?
Simple. Because MDAWG is not going to accept anyone besides himself determining who wins and you will rightly not accept that.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
December 14th, 2020 at 8:21:14 AM
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That's ridiculous. Obviously neither I nor AxelWolf may be judges for our own wager.
Anyway, I have some appointments now will be back much later. I'll think of a way that AxelWolf will feel comfortable that he will get paid, and run it by him via PM.
As far as posting your faked Adventures, I would suggest reopening the faked Adventures of AxelWolf thread, and having him create his faked thread there. That was the original intent anyway.
Anyway, I have some appointments now will be back much later. I'll think of a way that AxelWolf will feel comfortable that he will get paid, and run it by him via PM.
As far as posting your faked Adventures, I would suggest reopening the faked Adventures of AxelWolf thread, and having him create his faked thread there. That was the original intent anyway.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
December 14th, 2020 at 8:23:17 AM
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That would be a weaselly insincere offer, welshing and forum trolling in my opinion, especially since he let it go on so long and wasting our time on this. A banable offence IMO.Quote: DRichSimple. Because MDAWG is not going to accept anyone besides himself determining who wins and you will rightly not accept that.
This isn't some bar bet/challenge where people are joking around having fun..
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2020 at 8:44:44 AM
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Quote: DRichSimple. Because MDAWG is not going to accept anyone besides himself determining who wins and you will rightly not accept that.
It's obvious MDawg would not pick himself to be the judge, come one now.
It's obvious MDawg will pick Coach Belly
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 14th, 2020 at 8:52:50 AM
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I prefer most of the conversation take place out in the open unless it's something that is necessary to be in private. Your last PM wasn't IMO. There was one PM you sent, I understand, but aside from that..Quote: MDawgThat's ridiculous. Obviously neither I nor AxelWolf may be judges for our own wager.
Anyway, I have some appointments now will be back much later. I'll think of a way that AxelWolf will feel comfortable that he will get paid, and run it by him via PM.
As far as posting your faked Adventures, I would suggest reopening the faked Adventures of AxelWolf thread, and having him create his faked thread there. That was the original intent anyway.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2020 at 10:58:53 AM
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This is getting more tedious than the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight negotiations years ago and that involved hundreds of millions of dollars at stake...
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December 14th, 2020 at 11:05:18 AM
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Quote: darkozIt's obvious MDawg will pick Coach Belly
And maybe Axel will pick USpapergames.
Quote: AxelWolfDuring this time I ask that Coach do the same and not instigate, bring up stuff or butt in, unless it's actually actually helpful.
Quote: coachbellyI won't butt in unless any of the doubters butts in. So ask them not to butt in
Quote: AxelWolfYOU can ask them not to.
I was asking that you not challenge and comment on stuff related to the challenge
In that case, I decline your request.
Considering that several others have challenged and commented "on stuff related to the challenge" since you asked me not to, I'm not inclined to cooperate with your attempt to manipulate the discussion like that.
December 14th, 2020 at 11:13:28 AM
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Wonder if there is a way to block posters from a certain post from posting on that post?
Wonder if we can put a time limit on this challenge?
Beyond tedious this thread.
Wonder if we can put a time limit on this challenge?
Beyond tedious this thread.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
December 14th, 2020 at 11:27:41 AM
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Quote: DeMangoBeyond tedious this thread.
Do you read all the threads?
December 14th, 2020 at 11:29:50 AM
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The way this thread is going the real challenge is just reading it
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 14th, 2020 at 11:35:10 AM
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Quote: darkozThe way this thread is going the real challenge is just reading it
Why do you need to read it?
December 14th, 2020 at 12:02:52 PM
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Quote: coachbellyWhy do you need to read it?
In the same vein that every motorist has to glare at the strewn wreckage of an auto accident as they pass by
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 14th, 2020 at 1:04:26 PM
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Quote: darkozIn the same vein that every motorist has to glare at the strewn wreckage of an auto accident as they pass by
Does every motorist seek out these accidents, or do they encounter them by chance?
Do you continue to seek out this thread to challenge yourself?
December 14th, 2020 at 1:37:41 PM
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My pick is PokerGrinder then (-:Quote: darkozIt's obvious MDawg would not pick himself to be the judge, come one now.
It's obvious MDawg will pick Coach Belly
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2020 at 1:52:22 PM
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And why do you assume it's not going to happen?Quote: SOOPOOPLEASE tell me that was a sarcastic post!!!! Of course it’s not going to happen!
I'm certainly serious about making an attempt. I have already been thinking of things that I can do and how to go about this.
I might have to get some lessons from Rob Singer faking documents(and improve on it of course) and hopefully he will let me borrow his MILLION dollar RV (-;
Rob, In case you're reading, I'm Just messing with you. I can resect the fact that you accepted doing a live interview with Mike.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2020 at 2:12:21 PM
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For those who actually are reading this thread. I said the following below, please like/thank this post and or comment if you agree.
perhaps you have a good idea yourself.
There's a first step that I think most people would agree is the most important to anyone attempting this challenge. GUARANTEE OF PAYMENT IF SUCCESSFUL. I'm not going to worry about much else until Im satisfied I know ill get paid if successful.
This will obviously take some effort. I don't even really know how to post personal pictures or video's on here proper, I may have done it in the past using a twitter link or something.
So being sure I'll get paid if successful is paramount.
perhaps you have a good idea yourself.
There's a first step that I think most people would agree is the most important to anyone attempting this challenge. GUARANTEE OF PAYMENT IF SUCCESSFUL. I'm not going to worry about much else until Im satisfied I know ill get paid if successful.
This will obviously take some effort. I don't even really know how to post personal pictures or video's on here proper, I may have done it in the past using a twitter link or something.
So being sure I'll get paid if successful is paramount.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2020 at 2:29:29 PM
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I have a friend who is very skilled at making forged electronic documents, like ID's and utility bills. I can ask him if he would be interested in judging.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 14th, 2020 at 3:41:47 PM
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The MDawg trip reports that cover three years are real. He's going to have to come up with something that looks just as convincing, but is faked, to prove his point that anything this genuine looking could possibly be faked.
He and I are discussing privately what works as far as making him comfortable that he will get paid. If the only way to proceed is to tie up five grand of mine for a period of time, so be it, but it will be worth it to note that AxelWolf gives up when he realizes that what is real may not be faked so easily.
In the meantime, as far as judges, typically the way international tribunals work, is that the one set of judges is appointed by one side, one set of judges by the other, and the third set is agreed upon by both parties. I don't think we need too many judges for something like this - three will suffice, and the decision at the end must be unanimous. I could pick one judge, AxelWolf picks another, and then he and I agree together on the third judge.
And don't think that empty hotel rooms are going to cut it! AxelWolf. Nor will pics you pull off the internet. In each of my pics of suites you see my same clothes, my same tea boxes, my same vitamins, the same way you see some of my same watches next to the chips! which is part of the proof that I am the one actually occupying the suites, and actually playing with those chips, not to mention the markers and the win statements. The consistency is there because it's all genuine. Try googling any of my pics, not one will appear because - they are all my own pics, and all genuine! The same guy, MDawg, is the one occupying each of these suites and playing with those chips. And pulling all those markers and winning all that money. And getting comp'ed. And proving it visually, and with a consistent story. When you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. I hope you have a great memory AxelWolf!
He and I are discussing privately what works as far as making him comfortable that he will get paid. If the only way to proceed is to tie up five grand of mine for a period of time, so be it, but it will be worth it to note that AxelWolf gives up when he realizes that what is real may not be faked so easily.
In the meantime, as far as judges, typically the way international tribunals work, is that the one set of judges is appointed by one side, one set of judges by the other, and the third set is agreed upon by both parties. I don't think we need too many judges for something like this - three will suffice, and the decision at the end must be unanimous. I could pick one judge, AxelWolf picks another, and then he and I agree together on the third judge.
And don't think that empty hotel rooms are going to cut it! AxelWolf. Nor will pics you pull off the internet. In each of my pics of suites you see my same clothes, my same tea boxes, my same vitamins, the same way you see some of my same watches next to the chips! which is part of the proof that I am the one actually occupying the suites, and actually playing with those chips, not to mention the markers and the win statements. The consistency is there because it's all genuine. Try googling any of my pics, not one will appear because - they are all my own pics, and all genuine! The same guy, MDawg, is the one occupying each of these suites and playing with those chips. And pulling all those markers and winning all that money. And getting comp'ed. And proving it visually, and with a consistent story. When you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. I hope you have a great memory AxelWolf!
Last edited by: MDawg on Dec 14, 2020
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
December 14th, 2020 at 3:41:55 PM
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I'm going PM you my answer and I suggest MD does as well and once we both have you revile our PM's. I don't want a situation where I say no and then he claims I'm not being agreeable, and he purposely agrees just because I said no. Or I say yes, and he purposely disagrees to avoid having this proceed.Quote: WizardI have a friend who is very skilled at making forged electronic documents, like ID's and utility bills. I can ask him if he would be interested in judging.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2020 at 4:16:00 PM
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MD, AGIAN, I ask we keep the conversion HERE. Coming up with a method to ensure payment shouldn't have any affect on you're anonymity. Almost nothing in your last PM other than one small thing should have been private . The only thing I find acceptable via PM would be something like, Hey Axel I'll be having dinner at the Top Of The World on December 21st at 8pm come with Mike and ill give him a post dated check for 5k.
FYI I wont accept a postdated check, nor have you suggested that, or anything for that matter. I don't know why you want my suggestions first. Your the one who has to put up the money. I fear anything I come up with will be turned down. Doing so would be strange since it wouldn't jive with your mega wealthy high rolling status. I have 10 sitting with Mike and said I would add 10k more. If a "low roller" such as myself as you have suggested can muster up that an afford to be without it that, surly you can come up with a mealy 5k.
For the record I believe there's only on easy solution to this issue but I am certain you will resist my suggestion and make up an excuse. Sorry if that's considered derogatory but it's a legitimate concern I apologize in advance.
IGTG Ill BBL.
FYI I wont accept a postdated check, nor have you suggested that, or anything for that matter. I don't know why you want my suggestions first. Your the one who has to put up the money. I fear anything I come up with will be turned down. Doing so would be strange since it wouldn't jive with your mega wealthy high rolling status. I have 10 sitting with Mike and said I would add 10k more. If a "low roller" such as myself as you have suggested can muster up that an afford to be without it that, surly you can come up with a mealy 5k.
For the record I believe there's only on easy solution to this issue but I am certain you will resist my suggestion and make up an excuse. Sorry if that's considered derogatory but it's a legitimate concern I apologize in advance.
IGTG Ill BBL.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2020 at 4:52:04 PM
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I don't understand why the decision of the judges has to be unanimous.
Axel has his appointed judge. Assume he is bias to Axel.
MDawg has his appointed judge. Assume he is biased to MDawg
The point of the 3rd independent judge is to avoid a decision based on bias. That makes him the swing vote.
If the decision has to be unanimous then there is nothing to swing.
Whichever side he takes we can assume the other biased judge will make this whole wager a fait accompli (if I have my usage of that term correct)
Axel has his appointed judge. Assume he is bias to Axel.
MDawg has his appointed judge. Assume he is biased to MDawg
The point of the 3rd independent judge is to avoid a decision based on bias. That makes him the swing vote.
If the decision has to be unanimous then there is nothing to swing.
Whichever side he takes we can assume the other biased judge will make this whole wager a fait accompli (if I have my usage of that term correct)
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 14th, 2020 at 5:53:43 PM
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Quote: darkozI don't understand why the decision of the judges has to be unanimous.
Axel has his appointed judge. Assume he is bias to Axel.
MDawg has his appointed judge. Assume he is biased to MDawg
The point of the 3rd independent judge is to avoid a decision based on bias. That makes him the swing vote.
If the decision has to be unanimous then there is nothing to swing.
Whichever side he takes we can assume the other biased judge will make this whole wager a fait accompli (if I have my usage of that term correct)
Of course you are correct but then MDawg might have to pay. LOL
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
December 14th, 2020 at 6:00:10 PM
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AxelWolf has mentioned that he would want PokerGrinder as his judge. I am not saying that PG would be biased. However I do know that AW and PG are friends.
The reason I would pick CoachBelly as a judge is not because I think he is biased towards me but because he is meticulous. I know he'll really get right down to analyzing and comparing everything thoroughly and not just blow through things. For example, AW saw one photo of mine out of hundreds that was slightly off focus and immediately declared that well his pictures could be out of focus too. I don't see CoachBelly missing the forest for the trees like that.
And as far as unanimity, well, I don't really know any of you, including CB. This is of course by choice, but in any case, if there is going to be a fix against me it will have to be unanimous.
Listen, if AW really comes up with something that is solid and I look at it and see that it is in fact believable, truly comparable to what I posted over three years and yet faked, I will toss in the towel. I'm not here to play games or besmirch my reputation over five grand. If being believable is important to me, which evidently it is, then not seeming like a welsher or complainer over this Challenge, is also important to me. I mean this is why, for example, in AW's position I would have coughed up the 5500 for Wizard's watch if I made the unconditional offer he did. But again, I suppose - how do you know that? You don't know me. Maybe you think I would have figured a way out of it the same way he did. Anyway getting back to the Challenge - Honestly though, you and I both know that the only reason AW thinks he can do this, is he hasn't really even read or looked over my trip reports in any detail.
One thought I'm having is that as he posts his trip reports he could spend one post on the fake trip report, and then in the next post explain about how/why it is all faked. Or something like that. Then if both posts make sense, That would go a long way towards winning the Challenge for him.
As far as people who think this is getting tedious -
no one said that this rivals watching Saturday Night Live or whatever it is better you have to do on yet another lockdown Pandemic eve.
The reason I would pick CoachBelly as a judge is not because I think he is biased towards me but because he is meticulous. I know he'll really get right down to analyzing and comparing everything thoroughly and not just blow through things. For example, AW saw one photo of mine out of hundreds that was slightly off focus and immediately declared that well his pictures could be out of focus too. I don't see CoachBelly missing the forest for the trees like that.
And as far as unanimity, well, I don't really know any of you, including CB. This is of course by choice, but in any case, if there is going to be a fix against me it will have to be unanimous.
Listen, if AW really comes up with something that is solid and I look at it and see that it is in fact believable, truly comparable to what I posted over three years and yet faked, I will toss in the towel. I'm not here to play games or besmirch my reputation over five grand. If being believable is important to me, which evidently it is, then not seeming like a welsher or complainer over this Challenge, is also important to me. I mean this is why, for example, in AW's position I would have coughed up the 5500 for Wizard's watch if I made the unconditional offer he did. But again, I suppose - how do you know that? You don't know me. Maybe you think I would have figured a way out of it the same way he did. Anyway getting back to the Challenge - Honestly though, you and I both know that the only reason AW thinks he can do this, is he hasn't really even read or looked over my trip reports in any detail.
One thought I'm having is that as he posts his trip reports he could spend one post on the fake trip report, and then in the next post explain about how/why it is all faked. Or something like that. Then if both posts make sense, That would go a long way towards winning the Challenge for him.
As far as people who think this is getting tedious -
no one said that this rivals watching Saturday Night Live or whatever it is better you have to do on yet another lockdown Pandemic eve.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
December 14th, 2020 at 6:49:24 PM
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If it has to be unanimous and Coach Belly is truly your pick for a judge (believe it or not I was joking you would pick him because he is so bias towards you that there is no need for a challenge if he is the judge, we already know his vote) that I would advise Axel to just stop wasting his time
EDIT: A unanimous vote sounds eerily like a jury.
However no jury (not a just one at least) would be comprised of so obviously biased jury members.
So the unanimous thing really sounds ridiculous to me
EDIT: A unanimous vote sounds eerily like a jury.
However no jury (not a just one at least) would be comprised of so obviously biased jury members.
So the unanimous thing really sounds ridiculous to me
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 14th, 2020 at 8:24:46 PM
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The easiet way to explain almost everything that you have posted is that you work for someone that is Uber wealthy and you live through them taking pic and wearing their watches. That would also explain your desire to be envied. And also at the same time. How much free time to post on all the forums. I am not accusing you of this. Just providing one Easy answer
December 14th, 2020 at 8:33:46 PM
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WOW, OMG, I STOPPED READING AFTER THIS! IT WAS AN OBVIOUS JOKE. How you don't understand that totally dumbfounds me.Quote: MDawgAxelWolf has mentioned that he would want PokerGrinder as his judge. I am not saying that PG would be biased. However I do know that AW and PG are friends.
I'm well aware what PG thinks about you and what he knows about me. Yes, I give him sh*t on the forums and in person. I think I even indicated I wished something ill fated like food poisoning, getting eaten by alligators, falling off a cliff or ship wreaked on one of his traveling the world adventures would befall him. It's like a term of endearment or however you want to describe it.
I have messed with Rome's and others Like OD in the same way. The truth is I have much respect for those guys. I have a feeling they have some for me as well. I would seriously be there if they ever needed anything reasonable I could help out with.
Hell, I have helped people that really didn't like me much. Not because I wanted them to like me(I don't care if evryone like me, I know there will be people I rub the wrong way), just because I felt they needed help an would honor their word putting personal feelings aside. My wife has shaken her head many times at my decisions to help people who absolutely don't deserve it.
I'm tired physically and mentally so I now have no idea where I was going with this, other than the fact that you think I was seriously considering asking PG especially since I wouldn't actually consider him knowing he seems to loath you. I think you know it was a joke but again it's just more fader to delay ant steps forward.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2020 at 8:42:25 PM
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Well, see, my friend, you do have it in you to write at length!
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
December 14th, 2020 at 9:21:20 PM
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Again this seems to be going round and round in circles when one of the most important parts of this entire challenge is knowing the person taking up the challenge if successful gets paid. Until that happens there's zero reason to elect any judges arbitrators or anything like that.
Here's a very logical and reasonable method to guarantee payment.
You mentioned you bought a bunch of Bitcoin when it was in its infancy at a around $3 a coin or even less, I can't remember exactly, but it was somewhere in that ballpark. You said you were still holding and even buying. I understand that if we are to believe your stock-picking ability skills and the fact that you're a holder of Bitcoin, thinking it will go up, that you wouldn't want to lose out on the potential upward movement. I suggest that you send Mike or another trusted known member a measly 5k in BTC and get back the same amount of BTC rise or fall.
Some people I suggest can be:
The Wizard Barbra, SooPoo, Bob Dancer, Drich, GWAE, OD etc. There's many more but I came up with some that I can remember off hand that have been on here a long time and have been known to pay off bets challenges or offers or have a good relationship. We can even go outside the forum to someone in the gaming community with a reputation like Richard Munchkin or Anthony Curtis, Bob Narsessian. Ill go as far to say if anyone I agree on takes off with the money or does something dishonest, ILL be responsible for the money. If I don't succeed and take the hit if I do succeed. Also, just in case,(god forbid) something bad happen to one of those people we can also have a secondary person who also has access to the funds as well. I ASK THAT MIKE STEP IN AND HELP SOLVE THIS ISSUE, AS IT'S TAKING ENTIRELY TOO LONG. Edit to add, I can't see any flaws in this and it's fairly generous of me to now take a small amount of risk. Ill even pay the verified transaction fee up to $25.
Here's a very logical and reasonable method to guarantee payment.
You mentioned you bought a bunch of Bitcoin when it was in its infancy at a around $3 a coin or even less, I can't remember exactly, but it was somewhere in that ballpark. You said you were still holding and even buying. I understand that if we are to believe your stock-picking ability skills and the fact that you're a holder of Bitcoin, thinking it will go up, that you wouldn't want to lose out on the potential upward movement. I suggest that you send Mike or another trusted known member a measly 5k in BTC and get back the same amount of BTC rise or fall.
Some people I suggest can be:
The Wizard Barbra, SooPoo, Bob Dancer, Drich, GWAE, OD etc. There's many more but I came up with some that I can remember off hand that have been on here a long time and have been known to pay off bets challenges or offers or have a good relationship. We can even go outside the forum to someone in the gaming community with a reputation like Richard Munchkin or Anthony Curtis, Bob Narsessian. Ill go as far to say if anyone I agree on takes off with the money or does something dishonest, ILL be responsible for the money. If I don't succeed and take the hit if I do succeed. Also, just in case,(god forbid) something bad happen to one of those people we can also have a secondary person who also has access to the funds as well. I ASK THAT MIKE STEP IN AND HELP SOLVE THIS ISSUE, AS IT'S TAKING ENTIRELY TOO LONG. Edit to add, I can't see any flaws in this and it's fairly generous of me to now take a small amount of risk. Ill even pay the verified transaction fee up to $25.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 14th, 2020 at 9:33:22 PM
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Unessisary derogatory statement that has nothing to do with anything other than your lack of faith in my abilities to accomplish the challenge. That shouldn't be a concern of yours.Quote: MDawgWell, see, my friend, you do have it in you to write at length!
I commend you for keeping it short.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 15th, 2020 at 5:07:00 AM
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MDawg, I wrote earlier that it is time to put up or shut up.
That said, I'm getting a little impatient with the progress of the challenge rules being agreed to. To at least show you are serious, I would like to see you and Axel both deposit at least $5,000 with a mutually agreeable bag man. The deadline is the end of the year. I do not ask that the challenge rules be agreed upon by that date, but just need a show of good faith.
The alternative will be that you will have to find another forum to tell your stories of never-ending winnings using money management alone.
That said, I'm getting a little impatient with the progress of the challenge rules being agreed to. To at least show you are serious, I would like to see you and Axel both deposit at least $5,000 with a mutually agreeable bag man. The deadline is the end of the year. I do not ask that the challenge rules be agreed upon by that date, but just need a show of good faith.
The alternative will be that you will have to find another forum to tell your stories of never-ending winnings using money management alone.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 15th, 2020 at 5:10:03 AM
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Quote: WizardMDawg, I wrote earlier that it is time to put up or shut up.
That said, I'm getting a little impatient with the progress of the challenge rules being agreed to. To at least show you are serious, I would like to see you and Axel both deposit at least $5,000 with a mutually agreeable bag man. The deadline is the end of the year. I do not ask that the challenge rules be agreed upon by that date, but just need a show of good faith.
The alternative will be that you will have to find another forum to tell your stories of never-ending winnings using money management alone.
Now that's a challenge!!!
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 15th, 2020 at 5:28:14 AM
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Thank you for a timetable, 16 days till it possibly could be over
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
December 15th, 2020 at 5:49:28 AM
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Quote: WizardMDawg, I wrote earlier that it is time to put up or shut up.
That said, I'm getting a little impatient with the progress of the challenge rules being agreed to. To at least show you are serious, I would like to see you and Axel both deposit at least $5,000 with a mutually agreeable bag man. The deadline is the end of the year. I do not ask that the challenge rules be agreed upon by that date, but just need a show of good faith.
The alternative will be that you will have to find another forum to tell your stories of never-ending winnings using money management alone.
Thanks for taking action, Mike. It won’t happen. The fact that MD actually posted he gets to pick one of 3 judges and for the bet to be resolved there has to be a unanimous vote is all you need to know.
Is it possible MD allows you to hold $5k of his? Absolutely. Is it possible that he puts that at risk in this challenge? No way!
December 15th, 2020 at 7:38:35 AM
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I made the Challenge and the only money at risk is mine. Does the Wizard know what's going on here, which Challenge we are discussing, and if so, why does AxelWolf need to deposit 5000 also?
Which leads me to wonder if he has been following all this closely - and what we're even talking about, which Challenge.
My Challenge - my money - my terms. Now, if I make a Challenge with terms and then CHANGE them, that's one thing. But I haven't done that. Whatever I have stated about this Challenge I have stated in absolutes, unwaveringly.
Up until this point I figured that AW has two different motives when, no matter what terms I clarify about the Challenge his response has been only, Yeah yeah yeah, I agree, but show me the money:
(1) He figured I won't deposit any money, and the Challenge will end right then and there.
(2) He wants me to deposit the money so that then he may reverse course and start disagreeing with the absolute terms of the Challenge.
(2) Hasn't really concerned me until now. Given that the Wizard is the one who will probably end up holding the money, what does this mean then - I put up the money and then the Wizard steps in further to pressure me to accept terms of the Challenge that are different from what I have stated? with the pressure being that unless I agree to such revised terms, I can't post trip reports at WOV any longer? That's like blackmail, where the stakes are different from what this wager is about, which it is about just money.
I am not saying that is what would happen, but just something that becomes a concern now, and was not something that I would have been concerned with prior. Maybe I am misunderstanding what the Wizard is saying.
Which leads me to wonder if he has been following all this closely - and what we're even talking about, which Challenge.
My Challenge - my money - my terms. Now, if I make a Challenge with terms and then CHANGE them, that's one thing. But I haven't done that. Whatever I have stated about this Challenge I have stated in absolutes, unwaveringly.
Up until this point I figured that AW has two different motives when, no matter what terms I clarify about the Challenge his response has been only, Yeah yeah yeah, I agree, but show me the money:
(1) He figured I won't deposit any money, and the Challenge will end right then and there.
(2) He wants me to deposit the money so that then he may reverse course and start disagreeing with the absolute terms of the Challenge.
(2) Hasn't really concerned me until now. Given that the Wizard is the one who will probably end up holding the money, what does this mean then - I put up the money and then the Wizard steps in further to pressure me to accept terms of the Challenge that are different from what I have stated? with the pressure being that unless I agree to such revised terms, I can't post trip reports at WOV any longer? That's like blackmail, where the stakes are different from what this wager is about, which it is about just money.
I am not saying that is what would happen, but just something that becomes a concern now, and was not something that I would have been concerned with prior. Maybe I am misunderstanding what the Wizard is saying.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
December 15th, 2020 at 7:39:36 AM
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Quote: SOOPOOIs it possible MD allows you to hold $5k of his? Absolutely. Is it possible that he puts that at risk in this challenge? No way!
Assuming he does put up the 5K with me or anyone else they mutually agree on, there will be another deadline to finalize the rules of the challenge. If I am the bag man, and challenge rules are not agreed to, then, of course, I'll refund all money I'm holding.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 15th, 2020 at 7:48:16 AM
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Quote: WizardMDawg, I wrote earlier that it is time to put up or shut up.
That said, I'm getting a little impatient with the progress of the challenge rules being agreed to. To at least show you are serious, I would like to see you and Axel both deposit at least $5,000 with a mutually agreeable bag man. The deadline is the end of the year. I do not ask that the challenge rules be agreed upon by that date, but just need a show of good faith.
The alternative will be that you will have to find another forum to tell your stories of never-ending winnings using money management alone.
Wizard,
This is a step in the right direction however...
Axelwolf proving he can put up fake trip reports doesn't necessarily disprove MDawg who could continue to put up claims of beating Baccarat with nothing but money management.
Your own original put up or shut up was to witness actual Casino play.
MDawg has skilfully diverted your entire challenge into this obfuscation of putting up fake threads.
This is the reason this thread has led to so many suspensions as people realize how they are being skilfully diverted from the ultimate goal of defending mathematics.
I suggest this be rectified and you refuse to let MDawg make his claims without following through on your challenge of witnessing MDawg at actual live Baccarat play over enough days to feel satisfied his claims have any merit
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 15th, 2020 at 7:53:25 AM
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The Wizard and I have discussed that and he has made clear that it is not a demand. And we have discussed it further too, about its logistics.
Your absurd proposal DarkOz, goes to the extent of saying that someone who posts on his forum must uncloak himself in person or not be allowed to post further.
Otherwise, he could demand to have you prove your claims of earning 20000 a week, or anyone else's claims of whatever he is doing, in addition to demanding that you reveal to him who you are in person, and he's not going to do that, nor would you want him to.
Your absurd proposal DarkOz, goes to the extent of saying that someone who posts on his forum must uncloak himself in person or not be allowed to post further.
Otherwise, he could demand to have you prove your claims of earning 20000 a week, or anyone else's claims of whatever he is doing, in addition to demanding that you reveal to him who you are in person, and he's not going to do that, nor would you want him to.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
December 15th, 2020 at 8:01:37 AM
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Quote: MDawgThe Wizard and I have discussed that and he has made clear that it is not a demand. And we have discussed it further too, about its logistics.
Your absurd proposal DarkOz, goes to the extent of saying that someone who posts on his forum must uncloak himself in person or not be allowed to post further.
Otherwise, he could demand to have you prove your claims of earning 20000 a week, or anyone else's claims of whatever he is doing, in addition to demanding that you reveal to him who you are in person, and he's not going to do that, nor would you want him to.
Why do you put so much time into this? when I say this I mean its entirety.
December 15th, 2020 at 8:04:09 AM
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Quote: WizardAssuming he does put up the 5K with me or anyone else they mutually agree on, there will be another deadline to finalize the rules of the challenge. If I am the bag man, and challenge rules are not agreed to, then, of course, I'll refund all money I'm holding.
Of course that is what will happen. MDawg said he wants to be able to pick one of the judges and the vote must be unanimous. There is a ZERO percent chance he will agree to a bet he will lose. What concept can be simpler?
Axel will NEVER agree to the challenge when MDawg can pick a judge and the vote must be unanimous! If the bet really happened, Axel would have to spend many hours to actually win it. I know if the challenge occurred he would succeed, but it is no small task to fabricate all the things MDawg requires. There is NO WAY he puts in the time and effort to just have CoachBelly say "Those weren't high roller suites" or "there weren't enough chips on the bed" or some such nonsense.
Carry on.
December 15th, 2020 at 8:05:24 AM
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RainMain: Right now - you have a good point!
I suppose it's the legal mind in me that thinks things through to the end, and won't let go of tasks until they are completed.
But just take a look around the world today, and I think you'll see that not letting things go has become the norm. Right or wrong.
I suppose it's the legal mind in me that thinks things through to the end, and won't let go of tasks until they are completed.
But just take a look around the world today, and I think you'll see that not letting things go has become the norm. Right or wrong.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
December 15th, 2020 at 8:09:24 AM
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SooPoo, DRich, DarkOz and others: I don't know why you guys have to be so negative. AW has agreed to whatever terms of the Challenge I have laid out - he certainly hasn't objected. So why are you guys so worried and scared about it, it's between him and me.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
December 15th, 2020 at 8:11:23 AM
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Quote: rainmanWhy do you put so much time into this? when I say this I mean its entirety.
I have thought this many times. I frankly am fascinated by the motive of MDawg. I hate that I can't figure it out! I had these same thoughts about Nathan and Varmenti.
December 15th, 2020 at 8:19:14 AM
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Quote: MDawgSooPoo, DRich, DarkOz and others: I don't know why you guys have to be so negative. AW has agreed to whatever terms of the Challenge I have laid out - he certainly hasn't objected. So why are you guys so worried and scared about it, it's between him and me.
LOL. I am neither worried nor scared, I can assure you! I AM interested. I am sure this wager will never happen. I am frankly in awe at your ability to drag this out ad infinitum. I know there will never be a challenge with you risking real money. But I do enjoy watching you play this game of dodgeball!
Anyway, we both must be making a boatload today as the market is green!
December 15th, 2020 at 8:24:16 AM
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Quote: SOOPOOLOL. I am neither worried nor scared, I can assure you! I AM interested. I am sure this wager will never happen. I am frankly in awe at your ability to drag this out ad infinitum. I know there will never be a challenge with you risking real money. But I do enjoy watching you play this game of dodgeball!
Anyway, we both must be making a boatload today as the market is green!
I am not playing dodgeball. I guess you guys are too used to people doing that. I am serious about this, as I assume AxelWolf is too.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
December 15th, 2020 at 8:29:57 AM
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Quote: MDawgThe Wizard and I have discussed that and he has made clear that it is not a demand. And we have discussed it further too, about its logistics.
Your absurd proposal DarkOz, goes to the extent of saying that someone who posts on his forum must uncloak himself in person or not be allowed to post further.
Otherwise, he could demand to have you prove your claims of earning 20000 a week, or anyone else's claims of whatever he is doing, in addition to demanding that you reveal to him who you are in person, and he's not going to do that, nor would you want him to.
The only problem with your post is that I have done most all of those things.
When people said I was lying about having a NY AP move that was highly lucrative I told Wizard how it worked and he vouched that it was credible.
I attended more than one WOV both in mask disguise and without so many forum members have met me and know my identity at least the way I look.
AND I AM AN AP WHO NEEDS ANONYMITY!!!!
Now you claim your anonymity is so important HOWEVER HOSTS WHO SEE YOU WIN WELCOME YOU WITH OPEN ARMS AND BEG FOR WINNING TIPS!!!
Again, the problems with your trip reports is that they often report MULTIPLE things that make no sense.
You not only beat -ev games EVERY DAY but are comped tens of thousands by fawning hosts who don't hand out free play and whom you feel anonymity is important to your health.
As the Bard said, "Something smells rotten in Denmark"
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 15th, 2020 at 8:32:31 AM
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I am sure this is why, according to what I was told, you showed up to WOV social events wearing a mask.
Anyway, none of this has to do with the Challenge at hand. I know you have a hard time not saying something, but it has been requested by the Wizard that we stick to the Challenge at hand only, which you know what that challenge is, although you keep trying to talk about other matters or trying to change the topic matter to suit what you want to talk about. The Wizard has asked that we not do this, until after this Challenge is set.
Anyway, none of this has to do with the Challenge at hand. I know you have a hard time not saying something, but it has been requested by the Wizard that we stick to the Challenge at hand only, which you know what that challenge is, although you keep trying to talk about other matters or trying to change the topic matter to suit what you want to talk about. The Wizard has asked that we not do this, until after this Challenge is set.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
December 15th, 2020 at 8:46:51 AM
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" MDawg, I wrote earlier that it is time to put up or shut up.Quote: MDawgThe Wizard and I have discussed that and he has made clear that it is not a demand.
That said, I'm getting a little impatient with the progress of the challenge rules being agreed to. To at least show you are serious, I would like to see you and Axel both deposit at least $5,000 with a mutually agreeable bag man. The deadline is the end of the year. I do not ask that the challenge rules be agreed upon by that date, but just need a show of good faith.
**The alternative will be that you will have to find another forum to tell your stories of never-ending winnings using money management alone.**"
Ill add ANOTHER 5K for Mike to hold.
Someone inform me when MD has added his 5K with Mike.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 15th, 2020 at 8:50:32 AM
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AxelWolf, you're going to have to show more precision than that to win this wager, when you start making your trip report posts.
I was referring to something different. You misquoted me, I wasn't even talking about what you quoted underneath my quote. Please read and follow more carefully.
I was referring to something different. You misquoted me, I wasn't even talking about what you quoted underneath my quote. Please read and follow more carefully.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
December 15th, 2020 at 8:53:03 AM
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Quote: MDawgI am sure this is why, according to what I was told, you showed up to WOV social events wearing a mask.
Every forum member who attended the meetup when I was in mask will attest that I unmasked myself in front of everyone.
Because as far as this forum is concerned I am not worried about my anonymity.
Now the Wizard didn't ask to view my actual play. Do you understand why? Because it was mathematically feasible.
You make claims that defy mathematics. For that to stand the Wizard has asked for play to be observed proving such claims.
You skilfully diverted him into this fake thread post because you know your claims of winning every day would not stand up to a challenge involving viewing the actual play
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
