The Adventures of MDawg

Quote: MDawg

I wasn't aware until now of what UnJon was trying to say.

Sorry for missing it.

In any case, a while back in the days when BeachBumBabs was active, there was a challenge made with a specific member here who has since disappeared, where he could play whatever casino game he wished other than sports betting, and I would play Baccarat, and then we would see who won more by the end of the trip. And yes, the dollar amount mentioned as the starting bankroll for both of us was 50,000. There was no award offered.

That proposal never went anywhere as the member who claimed that he could win more than MDawg disappeared without accepting the challenge.

It was never an open ended invitation to anyone who posted 50K to play with me, or even side by side with me. In fact, one of the things the other member was adamant about was that he be able to play whatever he wanted, not Baccarat, but again, the wager went nowhere.

This later morphed into a wager where AxelWolf proposed that he would play side by side with me at Baccarat as long as I covered his losses, which meant that I would be effectively bankrolling him. Of course, I nixed such a proposition.

Was this discussion from another forum? Quote the conversation on this forum. My guess is that you alerted Mike that I was bringing drama from another forum so this sounds hypothetical and you know better.

If you scroll up, I posted the screen shot from WOV. As far as the back and forth over all of this, with both you and the other guy, it's all in this thread if you want to find it and read it.

Quote: MDawg

Dribble is accusing someone of perpetrating a hoax with zero evidence or back up for the insulting accusation.

Fiction is fiction
It is what it is
The impossible generally makes great fiction, if well written

Quote: MDawg

Of course, I nixed such a proposition.

So you nixed a proposition that put you at a disadvantage or someone else at a big advantage? And yet you keep trying to call me out whenever I am not willing to do so either.

Quote: MDawg

If you scroll up, I posted the screen shot from WOV. As far as the back and forth over all of this, with both you and the other guy, it's all in this thread if you want to find it and read it.

The conversation must have crossed forums since you love posting screen shots all over the net.

I would be astonished if you don't understand the difference.

You made an offer - I declined.


You make offers, claims and wagers - then even after others accept, or before they do, you try to change the terms.

Quote: MDawg

so here's what I propose. We put a 3 week reprieve/truce/ ceasefire and not bring up anything from the past(unless it's related directly to the challenge such as your list of things you require or some of the things I have suggested), from other forums, from here or say anything derogatory or negative about each other in any way. We basically concentrate on coming up with steps and negotiating one or more of any of these challenges. We may not or cannot say anything negative or derogatory to each other. And lets no go into long winded During this time I ask that Coach do the same and not instigate or bring up and butt in I must have to actually helpful.

How does that sound? It certainly sounds reasonable to me.

Quote: MDawg

So here's what I propose. We put a 3 week reprieve/truce/ ceasefire and not bring up anything from the past(unless it's related directly to the challenge such as your list of things you require or some of the things I have suggested), from other forums, from here or say anything derogatory or negative about each other in any way. We basically concentrate on coming up with steps and negotiating one or more of any of these challenges. We may not or cannot say anything negative or derogatory to each other. And lets not go into long winded posts. During this time I ask that Coach do the same and not instigate, bring up stuff or butt in, unless it's actually actually helpful.

How does that sound? It certainly sounds reasonable to me.

Quote: MDawg

I would be astonished if you don't understand the difference.

You made an offer - I declined.


You make offers, claims and wagers - then even after others accept, or before they do, you try to change the terms.

You didn't make him an offer he couldn't refuse

I agree.

When you have time please go back and look at the exact proposal I made for the wager where you create the "faked" Adventures thread and let me know if you Accept. If yes, then we can talk about making you comfortable with that you'll get paid if you succeed.

Here is the relevant part:

Quote: MDawg

I agree.

When you have time please go back and look at the exact proposal I made for the wager where you create the "faked" Adventures thread and let me know if you Accept. If yes, then we can talk about making you comfortable with that you'll get paid if you succeed.

Here is the relevant part:

let's take one step at a time. Do you acknowledge the whole purpose of this was because I stated that one could fake being a high roller and post up pictures and evidence of that? Would you agree that it would be unreasonable to ask that I copy almost exactly everything that you have posted? For example, let's say you posted up a shot of 30000 in cash and I posted up a picture of a hundred thousand in cash, that would certainly trump your picture and perhaps that would make up for something lacking in another area, perhaps I posted one less fancy meal or something less extravagant. If I post up a video of me betting 15k per hand on baccarat or something that would certainly be worthy of something when it comes to faking high rolling status.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: MDawg

I agree.

When you have time please go back and look at the exact proposal I made for the wager where you create the "faked" Adventures thread and let me know if you Accept. If yes, then we can talk about making you comfortable with that you'll get paid if you succeed.

Here is the relevant part:

let's take one step at a time. Do you acknowledge the whole purpose of this was because I stated that one could fake being a high roller and post up pictures and evidence of that? Would you agree that it would be unreasonable to ask that I copy almost exactly everything that you have posted? For example, let's say you posted up a shot of 30000 in cash and I posted up a picture of a hundred thousand in cash, that would certainly trump your picture and perhaps that would make up for something lacking in another area, perhaps I posted one less fancy meal or something less extravagant. If I post up a video of me betting 15k per hand on baccarat or something that would certainly be worthy of something when it comes to faking high rolling status.

FYI I understand the totality of evidence fake or otherwise must be on par or better than what you have posted.

-millions of dollars in paid off markers (Can you compile a list of pictures or can someone legitimate confirm you have posted "millions of dollars worth" )


-pictures of large Vegas high roller suites (I would assume it could be at any gaming venue not just Vegas?)

Not only is MDawg baiting members into responding to him, he’s now baiting mod into suspensions, pretty much is the moderator. The new de facto forum owner and mod. Yes people could just block him and yes I’m sure I’ll get suspended for pointing it out, but it seems to be the reality of what it is.

Quote: AxelWolf

Well I appreciate that but, I don't know about "very intelligent" I'm not even sure how you qualify intelligence, there seems to be so many categories, I'm certainly not going to win any academic Awards. If you're ever playing will AxelWolf know and a question about geography, math or spelling comes up you should probably bet against me. Ask me a strategy question about a video poker game I have not ever even played, you probably shouldn't bet against me.

I do however, think I'm good at thinking outside the box, sniffing out b*******, understanding people, and I have a pretty good sense of logic. I think I'm really good at quickly knowing who knows what they're doing/ talking about, who's very intelligent, and spotting who's good at what and who can accomplish what, even if it's in a field I know very little about. Even if there's things I don't know how to do or something I can't accomplish myself, I'm very good at figuring out how to get it done one way or another. Show me a casino promotion or situation and if there's a way to AP it, I'll most likely figure it out one way or another.
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I totally understand your logic and I know most all the tricks in the book. I think people are confusing the bets and where I stand on all this.
I'm not out to prove if he's a long-term winner or loser or if he has some crazy method to beat Baccarat, because I know for a fact you can't beat a negative expectation game if the math doesn't add up to over 100%, there's no way to trick the math.

My theory is that this is all a hoax and there's NO big betting, NO fancy watches and whatever else he has been claiming in the first place.

Sir, you are very correct on the wide range of measuring intelligence. I'm clarify & say I think your very intelligent for not falling for MDawg's tricks since I could imagine many people do :(

As for your theory, if the purpose is to prove MDawg has money then may I suggest a live stream of him making personal withdrawals using his bank account? A recording could be faked but not a live stream. That has to be the easiest verifiable method out there?

Quote: AxelWolf

It's not complete absurd nonsense because I have known similar things to have happened.

There you go trolling again. You were indicating that since I would be there watching a guy bet Millions it seems a reasonable that he know my name. I might even agree with that, however, The fact is there wasn't going to be a situation where I would be watching him bet millions. You overstated the Millions, I called you on it and now you're trying to do what you do and make up some nonsense.

I didn't overstate anything.

You asked me to explain how you could watch him bet millions, and I explained how.

Your verb tenses are all mixed up, so it's difficult to understand what you mean.

Like this...."The fact is there wasn't going to be a situation where I would be watching him bet millions."

"There wasn't going to be a situation" doesn't make any sense.

I ask everybody to temporarily suspend discussion of "old stuff" and focus on the challenge at hand.

AxelWolf: First off, I want to say that the spirit of this challenge is not to trick you into some situation where anyone is nitpicky about sifting through what you have posted, versus what I have posted. My intent in making this challenge is that I am certain that once you embark on it, you'll realize quickly that there is no way to fake what is genuine, and that whatever you start trying to pass off as comparable to the real thing, will fall flat.

I think you'll find as you examine my thread (and prior posts here that were trip reports before I started them in this thread) more carefully, that there is a lot more to my trip reports than random pictures of chips, cash, watches, suites, etc. It's just a trip report, a series of trip reports spread over three years, actually, that make sense because - they really happened. There is a true story here - because it really happened.

If you are able to create a faked Adventures thread that mirrors mine, my hat will be off to you, and you'll have earned $5000. Obviously, I don't think that's possible.

Okay so, your questions:

Quote: AxelWolf

let's take one step at a time. Do you acknowledge the whole purpose of this was because I stated that one could fake being a high roller and post up pictures and evidence of that? Would you agree that it would be unreasonable to ask that I copy almost exactly everything that you have posted? For example, let's say you posted up a shot of 30000 in cash and I posted up a picture of a hundred thousand in cash, that would certainly trump your picture and perhaps that would make up for something lacking in another area, perhaps I posted one less fancy meal or something less extravagant. If I post up a video of me betting 15k per hand on baccarat or something that would certainly be worthy of something when it comes to faking high rolling status.

I think I understand that you're saying that you could post a few pics that make it seem like you're playing a session of Baccarat, that would mirror my pictures at the Baccarat tables. But, to be honest, if you post a stack of chips in front of you, you must have gotten those chips from somewhere, so, I don't see how that would be fake in the first place.

Keep in mind that the challenge is that you're going to post something FAKE that mirrors my trip reports and pictures. I mean, if you go and play Baccarat and actually bet and actually spend weeks in Vegas and then post a trip report, that will not win the bet. You claim you may FAKE all of this - which would mean, you're not really betting, you're not really staying in the suites, you don't really own all these expensive watches, you're not really getting comp'ed, and you're not really winning. All that. You must created a FAKED adventure thread to win the bet, because that is the point isn't it? That it is possible to fake all of this - which would mean that, by implication, that I faked it all too.

Quote: AxelWolf

FYI I understand the totality of evidence fake or otherwise must be on par or better than what you have posted.

Good.

Quote: AxelWolf

-millions of dollars in paid off markers (Can you compile a list of pictures or can someone legitimate confirm you have posted "millions of dollars worth" )


-pictures of large Vegas high roller suites (I would assume it could be at any gaming venue not just Vegas?)

Each session I have posted pictures of anywhere from high four figures to mid five figures of markers pulled and paid back. If you figure the three year long trip reports I have posted encompass something like 200 sessions, then it's pretty easy to see how the sum total of marker pics posted is in the neighborhood of six million. If you want to look at all the trip reports, the markers are all there. Just on this latest trip alone there is a picture of about a million in markers from just the third resort, all spread out in one pic, and stacked in another.

The location of the suites: they need to be comparable to the high roller suites I have stayed in that I posted pictures of. I don't suppose they must be in Vegas, but I doubt smaller regional casinos will have such high end suites.

By the way, you still haven't responded to accepting the terms of my challenge, and one term that is not negotiable is that you have to post three years of Adventures the same way I did. That doesn't mean that you need to spend three years posting, but you need to post three years WORTH of fake adventures in order to win.

And, I'll say this again, your boast is that you could FAKE all of this. If you end up having to high roll for real in order to post your Adventures, then that would prove my point that my Adventures may not be faked.

And don't forget - in order to mirror my trip reports the sum total of the wins you claim in your faked sessions over the three years must be supported by actual video of player accounts that show WIN statements that corroborate the exact sums claimed, the same way it has been in my reports. My trip reports proceed chronologically, and all make sense partly because - the WIN statements provided at the end of each year verify the sums claimed to have been won over the course of each year.

I think you should start by examining my Adventures thread and the prior trip reports I posted - all three years worth. You can't fake what you don't know exactly is to begin with. Once you know what it is you're supposed to be faking, you come back and let me know if you can really do it, and we'll talk about how I can make your comfortable that you're going to get paid if you can do all this, and not end up like that guy in the Twilight Zone who cut his vocal cords to win a one year vow of silence bet and ended up finding out that the guy who laid the bet didn't even have the money to pay up. I can pay, five grand isn’t that much money.

But you have to understand what it is you claimed that led to all this – that you may FAKE everything such that it appears like the real thing. If you have to high roll for real in order to create your Adventures thread, that will have proven my point right then and there.

Quote: AxelWolf

During this time I ask that Coach do the same and not instigate or bring up and butt in

I reserve the right to reply to any post that quotes me or any post where my name appears.

I won't butt in unless any of the doubters butts in.

So ask them not to butt in, and not to quote me or mention me, and I won't butt in...fair enough?

Quote: MDawg

AxelWolf: First off, I want to say that the spirit of this challenge is not to trick you into some situation where anyone is nitpicky about sifting through what you have posted, versus what I have posted. My intent in making this challenge is that I am certain that once you embark on it, you'll realize quickly that there is no way to fake what is genuine, and that whatever you start trying to pass off as comparable to the real thing, will fall flat.

I think you'll find as you examine my thread (and prior posts here that were trip reports before I started them in this thread) more carefully, that there is a lot more to my trip reports than random pictures of chips, cash, watches, suites, etc. It's just a trip report, a series of trip reports spread over three years, actually, that make sense because - they really happened. There is a true story here - because it really happened.

If you are able to create a faked Adventures thread that mirrors mine, my hat will be off to you, and you'll have earned $5000. Obviously, I don't think that's possible.

Okay so, your questions:


I think I understand that you're saying that you could post a few pics that make it seem like you're playing a session of Baccarat, that would mirror my pictures at the Baccarat tables. But, to be honest, if you post a stack of chips in front of you, you must have gotten those chips from somewhere, so, I don't see how that would be fake in the first place.

Keep in mind that the challenge is that you're going to post something FAKE that mirrors my trip reports and pictures. I mean, if you go and play Baccarat and actually bet and actually spend weeks in Vegas and then post a trip report, that will not win the bet. You claim you may FAKE all of this - which would mean, you're not really betting, you're not really staying in the suites, you don't really own all these expensive watches, you're not really getting comp'ed, and you're not really winning. All that. You must created a FAKED adventure thread to win the bet, because that is the point isn't it? That it is possible to fake all of this - which would mean that, by implication, that I faked it all too.


Good.


Each session I have posted pictures of anywhere from high four figures to mid five figures of markers pulled and paid back. If you figure the three year long trip reports I have posted encompass something like 200 sessions, then it's pretty easy to see how the sum total of marker pics posted is in the neighborhood of six million. If you want to look at all the trip reports, the markers are all there. Just on this latest trip alone there is a picture of about a million in markers from just the third resort, all spread out in one pic, and stacked in another.

The location of the suites: they need to be comparable to the high roller suites I have stayed in that I posted pictures of. I don't suppose they must be in Vegas, but I doubt smaller regional casinos will have such high end suites.

By the way, you still haven't responded to accepting the terms of my challenge, and one term that is not negotiable is that you have to post three years of Adventures the same way I did. That doesn't mean that you need to spend three years posting, but you need to post three years WORTH of fake adventures in order to win.

And, I'll say this again, your boast is that you could FAKE all of this. If you end up having to high roll for real in order to post your Adventures, then that would prove my point that my Adventures may not be faked.

And don't forget - in order to mirror my trip reports the sum total of the wins you claim in your faked sessions over the three years must be supported by actual video of player accounts that show WIN statements that corroborate the exact sums claimed, the same way it has been in my reports. My trip reports proceed chronologically, and all make sense partly because - the WIN statements provided at the end of each year verify the sums claimed to have been won over the course of each year.

I think you should start by examining my Adventures thread and the prior trip reports I posted - all three years worth. You can't fake what you don't know exactly is to begin with. Once you know what it is you're supposed to be faking, you come back and let me know if you can really do it, and we'll talk about how I can make your comfortable that you're going to get paid if you can do all this, and not end up like that guy in the Twilight Zone who cut his vocal cords to win a one year vow of silence bet and ended up finding out that the guy who laid the bet didn't even have the money to pay up. I can pay, five grand isn’t that much money.

But you have to understand what it is you claimed that led to all this – that you may FAKE everything such that it appears like the real thing. If you have to high roll for real in order to create your Adventures thread, that will have proven my point right then and there.

FFS. I asked that this stuff not be long winded. I don't like the use of the word mirror "If you are able to create a faked Adventures thread that mirrors mine, my hat will be off to you, and you'll have earned $5000. Obviously, I don't think that's possible."

We need more clarification what that means . As for some of the others things, such as.... "But, to be honest, if you post a stack of chips in front of you, you must have gotten those chips from somewhere, so, I don't see how that would be fake in the first place."

I'm not going to go into details how I would do things and ask if its ok, because, you can think about it (like you have since done after reading a post )and then stipulate that it's not acceptable. I didn't read the entire post Ill have to address that other stuff later.

Quote: coachbelly

I reserve the right to reply to any post that quotes me or any post where my name appears.

I won't butt in unless any of the doubters butts in.

So ask them not to butt in, and not to quote me or mention me, and I won't butt in...fair enough?

I asked YOU . YOU can ask them not to.

I wasn't asking you to be totally silent, I was asking that you not challenge and comment on stuff related to the challenge like you have about other things.

You told me my scenario regarding finding information out about other players was absurd. Ask MD if he thinks it's obdured.

It sounds like MDawg is defining fake as some type of Photoshop style shenanigans.

I.e. he is showing real Casino chips so he is challenging you to post fake chips.

If you post real chips then you aren't posting a fake thread but a real thread.

The logic seems faulty to me.

I never thought MDawg was posting counterfeit or fake chips or fake views from hotels.

I simply believe he is not fully divulging the complete aspects to how he got them.

So if I have his definition of what creating a fake thread imposes, it's a total waste of time imo.

And the amount of work would probably be worth more than $5,000 to an AP like Axel who has better things to do like AP slots

Quote: darkoz

It sounds like MDawg is defining fake as some type of Photoshop style shenanigans.

I.e. he is showing real Casino chips so he is challenging you to post fake chips.

If you post real chips then you aren't posting a fake thread but a real thread.

The logic seems faulty to me.

I never thought MDawg was posting counterfeit or fake chips or fake views from hotels.

I simply believe he is not fully divulging the complete aspects to how he got them.

So if I have his definition of what creating a fake thread imposes, it's a total waste of time imo.

And the amount of work would probably be worth more than $5,000 to an AP like Axel who has better things to do like AP slots

I really want to take things one step at a time, I was going to say something similar regarding making an impossible task. I must compliment you, as you have and a good job looking at aspects of this and finding the flaws.

There are certainly many other ways besides Photoshop. I thought the whole entire point of this challenge was that I post up evidence that make it seem as if I'm a high roller risking money and doing things that I and not actually doing. For instance if it looks as if I'm risking $20,000 on a hand when in reality I'm not(real chips or fake chips shouldn't matter) that should certainly pass.

Mdawg said I wasn't a high roller and basically had little knowledge of such things, therefore he shouldn't be worried about my evidence being real.

That actually never occurred to me that this "Fake Adventures" Challenge would have or could have anything to do with photoshopping anything. The point is that AxelWolf believes that he may create a fake thread that mirrors mine. By mirror I don't mean exactly mirror image, I just mean, in sum - faking three years of a high roller with expensive watches playing big, getting comp'ed in big suites, and winning, and by faking, obviously I mean, that the guy wasn't really high rolling, didn't really own expensive watches, wasn't playing big, wasn't getting comp'ed and wasn't winning. I have provided visual and video evidence that I WAS doing all of these things, along with a consistent verbal story line, and AxelWolf believes that he could provide FAKED evidence with a fake story line to show that he was doing all these things too, when in reality, he was not. That is the essence of this Challenge, isn't it - to prove that MDawg is a hoax because it's so easy to fake all of this.

Anyway, after you've had time to read more carefully what I wrote in response to your questions, please get back to me.

And, I really encourage you to go back to this thread, from its first day, and some of the other trip reports I posted elsewhere on WOV prior to starting this Adventures thread, before you are so hasty to assume that it would be so easy to fake all of this.

And if you don't mind, I would then as well have no problem with DarkOz, Coach Belly or anyone else inputting constructive comments that have to do with this Challenge - but I would agree with Wizard that the snide remarks and people trying to get something repeatedly off their chests for ego's sake, these hit and run insults, should be put aside while you and I are trying to decide if this will go forward, and if so, exactly how.

MDawg repeatedly says the challenge is to recreate a THREE YEAR LONG faked thread equal to his.

I'm having problems with the three year part.

How can a three year thread be created without spending three years to do it?

If Axel says one week from now, here is my thread, that isn't a three year thread, that's a one week thread

It seems MDawg should pick a specific set of postings (of one week length) and challenge Axel to create a fake thread of equal stature.

That will make quantifying Axel's success easier as certain specific elements from just a week of posts could be identified.

For this to work specificity of items is going to be paramount

This will never get done too complicated.
This ends in a banning or a thread lock which
will result in the quarrel commencing in another
thread.

Quote: darkoz

MDawg repeatedly says the challenge is to recreate a THREE YEAR LONG faked thread equal to his.

I'm having problems with the three year part.

How can a three year thread be created without spending three years to do it?

If Axel says one week from now, here is my thread, that isn't a three year thread, that's a one week thread

It seems MDawg should pick a specific set of postings (of one week length) and challenge Axel to create a fake thread of equal stature.

That will make quantifying Axel's success easier as certain specific elements from just a week of posts could be identified.

For this to work specificity of items is going to be paramount

I agree with much of what you said. Again, it's something I was going to bring up, but again, I want to take one thing at a time. I like your idea of picking out specific posts and pictures or whatever. I didn't think of that. Anyways, eventually I wanted to have Mdawg make a list of people on the Forum he would be willing to let judge the final outcome. I can come up with the list as well and if any of those names on the list match we can ask those people if they would be willing to take on the task.

Quote: MDawg

You have one of your requirements as posting millions of dollars in paid markers. I don't believe you have posted up millions of dollars of anything like that. I could be wrong, I never paid that much attention... since ..well, never mind why. I ask that you please show evidence of this.

Quote: rainman

This will never get done too complicated.
This ends in a banning or a thread lock which
will result in the quarrel commencing in another
thread.

Fact
Fact

I offered MD a simple bet. He had to just double $10k to win. He refused. Said it’s ‘not how I play’. He could have waited for a streak of ‘banker’ and pounced! Crushing me. Or waited til a ‘tie’ was up next and ruined me! There will NEVER be a bet that comes to fruition from this thread. I’m frankly surprised Axel is wasting his time here.

I can tell you this.... If I offered Axel the same bet with his machine play he’d be ALL over it!

The Wizard asked us to confine the discussion for now to this Challenge only.

And comments such as this will end in thread lock or banning seem not constructive. If AxelWolf and I are able to clarify the terms of my wager, he will create a new thread where he posts his faked Adventures, for review. It wouldn't make sense to post them here in my trip report thread. Actually, the best place to post them might be in the Adventures of AxelWolf thread that Wizard could reopen for this Challenge. And if he and I are able to discuss the terms of this Challenge in a gentlemanly fashion as it does appear we are able, then it should not end in any problems for either of us.

Will it take three years to fake three years of genuine trip reports?
DarkOz has mentioned twice that it would take three years to create three years of faked trip reports. If that is true, then that means that creating three years of trip reports requires three years of hotels stays! which is as much to say that it is impossible to fake three years of trip reports without actually staying in the hotels for three years. No, IF it is possible to fake my Adventures, then it will be possible to fake them without actually have to spend three years staying in the hotels. Remember, AxelWolf contends that this is all a hoax, that I am not actually staying in any high roller suites at all, let alone for three years.

Markers.
Markers - AxelWolf, just go back to the beginning of this thread, and look through the trip reports. This thread covers over one year of trips. The rest are spread throughout the WOV and were posted prior, going back to 2018. If you look at the session reports the markers are there. They add up to millions pulled and paid back over the three years. For this latest trip I not only posted pictures of markers with the session reports at TruePassage, but then both there and here at WOV I posted a single picture of every marker I had pulled and paid back at the third resort, all of the markers - dozens of them - in two pictures - one picture with the markers stacked, and another with the markers spread out, and that was about a million in markers pulled and paid back in just one month or so.

As you'll have to figure out for yourself, each casino creates different versions of markers. Some post all sorts of numbers on them, including the date. Some have the bank account number on them. Some have almost no numbers on them, and no date. Some don't even have the name of the customer on there. I'm talking about genuine markers issued to me like the ones I paid back and posted, not the fake ones you claim you may be able to create. And I would expect you to redact the sensitive personal information on the markers the same way I do. But, even if you took a blank piece of paper and tore out a rectangle from each one, each piece of paper would end up unique, so if you're thinking you'll be able to get away with posting a picture of the same or a few markers with the signature torn out over and over, that's would not have worked in my thread and it's not going to fly in yours. Which again, you contend this is all a hoax, so if you get to the point of having to post real markers, then you're already practically conceding that it's not possible to fake all this.

It would seem from your comments that you haven't really looked closely at my Adventures trip reports at all. Maybe you thought they were just about some disjointed pictures of chips and watches. If you re-read them, maybe you'll come to the conclusion that they could not be faked and decide not to undertake this task.

Quote: MDawg

The Wizard asked us to confine the discussion for now to this Challenge only.

And comments such as this will end in thread lock or banning seem not constructive. If AxelWolf and I are able to clarify the terms of my wager, he will create a new thread where he posts his faked Adventures, for review. It wouldn't make sense to post them here in my trip report thread. Actually, the best place to post them might be in the Adventures of AxelWolf thread that Wizard could reopen for this Challenge. And if he and I are able to discuss the terms of this Challenge in a gentlemanly fashion as it does appear we are able, then it should not end in any problems for either of us.

Will it take three years to fake three years of genuine trip reports?
DarkOz has mentioned twice that it would take three years to create three years of faked trip reports. If that is true, then that means that creating three years of trip reports requires three years of hotels stays! which is as much to say that it is impossible to fake three years of trip reports without actually staying in the hotels for three years. No, IF it is possible to fake my Adventures, then it will be possible to fake them without actually have to spend three years staying in the hotels. Remember, AxelWolf contends that this is all a hoax, that I am not actually staying in any high roller suites at all, let alone for three years.

Markers.
Markers - AxelWolf, just go back to the beginning of this thread, and look through the trip reports. This thread covers over one year of trips. The rest are spread throughout the WOV and were posted prior, going back to 2018. If you look at the session reports the markers are there. They add up to millions pulled and paid back over the three years. For this latest trip I not only posted pictures of markers with the session reports at TruePassage, but then both there and here at WOV I posted a single picture of every marker I had pulled and paid back at the third resort, all of the markers - dozens of them - in two pictures - one picture with the markers stacked, and another with the markers spread out, and that was about a million in markers pulled and paid back in just one month or so.

As you'll have to figure out for yourself, each casino creates different versions of markers. Some post all sorts of numbers on them, including the date. Some have the bank account number on them. Some have almost no numbers on them, and no date. Some don't even have the name of the customer on there. I'm talking about genuine markers issued to me like the ones I paid back and posted, not the fake ones you claim you may be able to create. And I would expect you to redact the sensitive personal information on the markers the same way I do. But, even if you took a blank piece of paper and tore out a rectangle from each one, each piece of paper would end up unique, so if you're thinking you'll be able to get away with posting a picture of the same or a few markers with the signature torn out over and over, that's would not have worked in my thread and it's not going to fly in yours. Which again, you contend this is all a hoax, so if you get to the point of having to post real markers, then you're already practically conceding that it's not possible to fake all this.

It would seem from your comments that you haven't really looked closely at my Adventures trip reports at all. Maybe you thought they were just about some disjointed pictures of chips and watches. If you re-read them, maybe you'll come to the conclusion that they could not be faked and decide not to undertake this task.

Is your goal to inundate me with as many long winded posts as you can so I never have the time to complete the task? (-:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/16/#post747796

I stopped on the first post that contained paperwork. It's blurred as hell, the amounts were not legible, only a few of the things I could kind of make out. You obviously have the pictures somewhere, do you mind sending the paperwork ones to my PM, not all, but perhaps 10 or so?

Quote: SOOPOO

Fact
Fact

I offered MD a simple bet. He had to just double $10k to win. He refused. Said it’s ‘not how I play’. He could have waited for a streak of ‘banker’ and pounced! Crushing me. Or waited til a ‘tie’ was up next and ruined me! There will NEVER be a bet that comes to fruition from this thread. I’m frankly surprised Axel is wasting his time here.

I can tell you this.... If I offered Axel the same bet with his machine play he’d be ALL over it!

Or a table game. If I could choose the time I make the bet on my game of choice.

And no, this isn't an offer or challenge. It wouldn't be practical to set up or wait until I had a situation to where I was the favorite.

Quote: SOOPOO

Fact
Fact

I offered MD a simple bet. He had to just double $10k to win. He refused. Said it’s ‘not how I play’. He could have waited for a streak of ‘banker’ and pounced! Crushing me. Or waited til a ‘tie’ was up next and ruined me! There will NEVER be a bet that comes to fruition from this thread. I’m frankly surprised Axel is wasting his time here.

I can tell you this.... If I offered Axel the same bet with his machine play he’d be ALL over it!

Was it double 10k to win your 10k?

I was just playing the Wizard's Baccarat Game with my progression and was up to $16K from $10K in 27 hands at a $600 base bet. I've gotta fiddle with my junky cable box now. I had to reset it online and now the channel changer works as it should. I'm reading the Spectrum app on Roku is being discontinued imminently.

I got to $20,800 from $10K in the first shoe. Player was ahead of Banker by 16 hands. My progression added 2 extra wins.

Quote: ChumpChange

I was just playing the Wizard's Baccarat Game...

Please the discussion focused on the challenge at hand.

Quote: Wizard

Please the discussion focused on the challenge at hand.

Wizard is right, either get the challenge on or let's end this thread once and for all. It's not healthy for the forum.

I PM'ed AxelWolf, as he requested, and am waiting for his response.

As far as USpapergames, who are you to think or say something like that? The Adventures of MDawg is my thread and is going nowhere. It will be updated with the WIN statements from 2020, when available in January 2021, and then in 2021, if I choose to update it with more trip reports I will do so. As Wizard has said time and again, if you don't like it, you don't have to read it.

Same as you are free to post your trip reports wherever and whenever you like, in your own thread or posts.

I don't really even post all that much here past few months, just somehow lately these wagers have become the big topic of the day for this thread.

But for now, the focus is on whether or not this Challenge will be undertaken.

Quote: MDawg

I PM'ed AxelWolf, as he requested, and am waiting for his response.

As far as USpapergames, who are you to think or say something like that? The Adventures of MDawg is my thread and is going nowhere. It will be updated with the WIN statements from 2020, when available in January 2021, and then in 2021, if I choose to update it with more trip reports I will do so. As Wizard has said time and again, if you don't like it, you don't have to read it.

Same as you are free to post your trip reports wherever and whenever you like, in your own thread or posts.

But for now, the focus is on whether or not this particular Challenge will be undertaken.

I am glad that you are accepting the challenge and wish you luck (if you believe in that kind of luck). The challenge was all I (& I think most people on here) care about ;)

This won't do unless mine can be out of focus as well.

Quote: MDawg

Today is the last day of play here, then tomorrow gotta go back to the other casino to stay there a few days and collect the second fifteen hunny gift card, before leaving to go home for Thanksgiving.

Yesterday's session, got a little tumultuous. I pulled a five, lost, a ten, lost, then a twenty before I rallied and came back to win and pay all three back. This was the first session of its kind this trip, where I had real trouble. I was playing a chop, a perfect chop seven times bank/player/bank/player etc. but I kept putting more and more on that a second hand would come. Later, the dealer said, "I was going to say something, you always seem so good with following the shoe, but you were really in an intense mood."

Before I starting losing I was actually ahead 2500, and remember thinking I should just leave, but I didn't.

I recovered, and that was good of course, but what I feel bad about is that there was this local kid playing with me and he had five K cash yesterday he was at my session yesterday too where we won together yesterday, and today he brought 5K again but lost it all and left during the period when I was zagging instead of zigging. What I feel bad about is that I was starting to bet pretty big and he must've felt like he shouldn't bet against me, and we both lost a lot. But I recovered with additional funds, whereas he fled busted. By recovered, I just mean that I ended slightly ahead I did not get back to plus 2500 for this session. I should have a piece of paper in front of me at all times that says, OBEY THE CHOP, those are the times when I've had problems trying to force a second hand bank or player when an easy run is actually in progress, but a horizontal versus vertical run.

What's crazy is that on the last shoe, I just needed a few more K to get even and a thirteen (might have been twelve) player run came up. I started with a very small bet, pressed until I got all my money back and was even, then cut back to two hundred a hand. But don't think that no one saw it, this guy came up and started playing with me HE stayed with it he wasn't a huge player but he pressed to like three grand a hand by the end.

A couple of his friends came up and were talking talking talking during the run about whether it was going to keep up, and should they bet too, and afterwards, the guy turned to them and said, "Don't you know you're not supposed to say anything when the pitcher has a no hitter in progress?" 😄

But the real point being, why is it so "easy" to rise fifteen grand when you have to, versus rise fifteen grand when you don't have to? If I'd stayed with that run and bet crazily like the way I did when I was losing, I would have clocked the casino for fifty grand easily. Instead, I pressed until I was even, and then cut wayy back.

MDawg

2 Things:

I think its time we talk about how I(or whomever) will be guaranteed payment if they are successful.

I also think we need to designate a few people who would be willing to judge the outcome and help make some ruling's if a problem or issue comes that up. In case someone makes an unreasonable term.

Quote: rainman

Was it double 10k to win your 10k?

Not that it is really relevant, but it was double up to win my $5k, and if he fails at doubling up I win his $5k. We both would have to give the Wiz $5k before the challenge started.

I'm not sure what the point of re-posting one post of mine without commenting on it, is. Is the point that in that one picture the photo is slightly out of focus? There are hundreds of other pictures, including of markers to the tune of millions of dollars of markers where the pictures are in sharp focus, but, as long as you posted that one post - YES, that is the level of detail that you'll have to post as far as the verbiage describing your play to create a trip report. And even out of focus the dollar amounts on those markers is visible at 5000, 10000, 20000. In your PM you asked me if I had another picture of those markers, and I said that I have a bag full of all of my markers and I could probably find the exact markers from that trip to send you a pic if you wanted, but that's not really the point here anyway I don't think, because it seems like in your response to my PM you were saying you don't want to see them.

One thing AxelWolf - you keep saying that I shouldn't write too many words. How are you going to fake my Adventures trip reports without any words? A trip report reports session play - you're going to need to do some writing about your Baccarat play, and your casino and hotel trip. With words. And then post the pictures to back it up. The way I did.

Anyway, I posted and reposted about three maybe four times now the exact terms of my wager. You asked some questions. I answered. But you still haven't accepted my terms, instead mentioned something about appointing judges to decide what the terms will be? No, I proposed an Exact wager - once you accept it then we have a wager. Again, I don't play games - I think things out carefully before I propose anything. Once you accept my exact terms then you have a right to ask "How will I get paid if I succeed?" And the judges will decide if you met the terms, not create the terms! obviously.

Quote: MDawg

I'm not sure what the point of re-posting one post of mine without commenting on it, is. Is the point that in that one picture the photo is slightly out of focus? There are hundreds of other pictures, including of markers to the tune of millions of dollars of markers where the pictures are in sharp focus, but, as long as you posted that one post - YES, that is the level of detail that you'll have to post as far as the verbiage describing your play to create a trip report. And even out of focus the dollar amounts on those markers is visible at 5000, 10000, 20000. In your PM you asked me if I had another picture of those markers, and I said that I have a bag full of all of my markers and I could probably find the exact markers from that trip to send you a pic if you wanted, but that's not really the point here anyway I don't think.

One thing AxelWolf - you keep saying that I shouldn't write too many words. How are you going to fake my Adventures trip reports without any words? A trip report reports session play - you're going to need to do some writing about your Baccarat play, and your casino and hotel trip. With words. And then post the pictures to back it up. The way I did.

Anyway, I posted and reposted about three maybe four times now the exact terms of my wager. You asked some questions. I answered. But you still haven't accepted my terms, instead mentioned something about appointing judges to decide what the terms will be? No, I proposed an Exact wager - once you accept it then we have a wager. Again, I don't play games - I think things out carefully before I propose anything. Once you accept my exact terms then you have a right to ask "How will I get paid if I succeed?" And the judges will decide if you met the terms, not create the terms! obviously.

Because I don't want to spend my time reading 500 words to get a simple question answered. There is NO WAGER You offered a challenge. I ACCEPTED the challenge if I'm comfortable knowing Ill receive the 5k if I'm successful and we have someone or panel of reasonable people who can judge if I was successful at
"If anyone, AxelWolf included, is able to produce a three year long faked Adventures thread that supports the evidence to anywhere near the same level I have, I will pay that person $5000."

I suggest we select 3 or 5 people who vote on it.

Edit to add: I could have easily just accepted without any risk and not did a thing or tried because you didn't come up with reasonable terms or provide me with a solution to guarantee payment if successful in that case I imagine a situation where you claim I failed and keep repeating that over and over with screen shots repeatedly over multiple forums as if my failure actually validates your stuff must be real.

Why do you guys keep doing this? We all know it isn't going to happen.

No, if he accepts the exact challenge as he said
"If anyone, AxelWolf included, is able to produce a three year long faked Adventures thread that supports the evidence to anywhere near the same level I have, I will pay that person $5000."

and he understands that the evidence will need to include

which would include:

-stacks of cash
-stacks of chips
-millions of dollars in paid off markers
-casino checks issued for wins
-pictures and videos of high end timepieces
-pictures of winning Baccarat shoes
-pictures of large Vegas high roller suites
-pictures of gourmet meals eaten at casino resort restaurants
-pictures of the television screen inside the suites, and paper folios, that prove full RFB comps.
-actual video of WIN statements while logged in live to player card accounts to substantiate all alleged wins

to back up a faked AxelWolf narrative to rival MDawg’s.

Then we are ready to proceed to picking judges and securing that he will get paid to his satisfaction, I would agree.

But as stated, it has to be a FAKED narrative where he is not actually high rolling, not actually betting big at Baccarat, not actually staying in high roller suites, not actually getting comp'ed, not actually winning. That's the point of all this - that he thinks my Adventures are all a hoax, and that he may simulate them without actually doing anything I claim to have done.

Quote: MDawg

No, if he accepts the exact challenge as he said
"If anyone, AxelWolf included, is able to produce a three year long faked Adventures thread that supports the evidence to anywhere near the same level I have, I will pay that person $5000."

and he understands that the evidence will need to include

which would include:

-stacks of cash
-stacks of chips
-millions of dollars in paid off markers
-casino checks issued for wins
-pictures and videos of high end timepieces
-pictures of winning Baccarat shoes
-pictures of large Vegas high roller suites
-pictures of gourmet meals eaten at casino resort restaurants
-pictures of the television screen inside the suites, and paper folios, that prove full RFB comps.
-actual video of WIN statements while logged in live to player card accounts to substantiate all alleged wins

to back up a faked AxelWolf narrative to rival MDawg’s.

Then we are ready to proceed to picking judges and securing that he will get paid to his satisfaction, I would agree.

But as stated, it has to be a FAKED narrative where he is not actually high rolling, not actually betting big at Baccarat, not actually staying in high roller suites, not actually getting comp'ed, not actually winning. That's the point of all this - that he thinks my Adventures are all a hoax, and that he may simulate them without actually doing anything I claim to have done.

Edit to add: I could have easily just accepted without any risk and not did a thing or tried because you didn't come up with reasonable terms or provide me with a solution to guarantee payment if successful in that case I imagine a situation where you claim I failed and keep repeating that over and over with screen shots repeatedly over multiple forums as if my failure actually validates your stuff must be real.

Quote: DRich

Why do you guys keep doing this? We all know it isn't going to happen.

Why do you assume it's not going to happen?

As long as we are clear on all this:

then I am ready to roll to the next steps. I will be away from the computer for long periods today don't think this means I have disappeared.

Quote: AxelWolf

Why do you assume it's not going to happen?

PLEASE tell me that was a sarcastic post!!!! Of course it’s not going to happen!