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June 12th, 2021 at 12:26:50 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Interesting that MDawg is currently suspended, so I wonder to myself who complained.
I could only guess that it was someone who felt himself/herself to have been characterised as a 'minion' or 'hanger on'

https://www.wordnik.com/words/minion

From The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
noun An obsequious follower or dependent; a sycophant.
noun A subordinate official, especially a servile one.
noun One who is highly esteemed or favored; a darling.



Yeah, it's tough when someone defines something exactly correctly and gets suspended because calling a spade a spade isn't allowed by rules and regs. LOL.

I have literally never seen anything go off its own rails like WoV.

"He sees the APs jumping off
The threads one by one,
The owners and the poster
Hell bent on having fun.

So he's crawling down the corridor
Jettisoned all probabilities,
Sockpuppets stole the handle,
And the site, it just kept going down.

No way to slow down."


It's as if someone wearing a Michael Myers mask was hitchhiking, and the WoV bus stopped to pick him up. He asked whether he could drive, and the bus driver said yes. As he drives along, there are folks wearing Freddy Krueger and Jason masks also hitchhiking, so the guy in the Michael Myers mask stops to picks them up. Then they alternate driving the bus, and the passengers who signed up for a visit to the Smithsonian wonder why they wound up at the Titty Twister instead.
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June 12th, 2021 at 1:13:13 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Interesting that MDawg is currently suspended, so I wonder to myself who complained.



Does MDawg's suspension prevent him from complaining to an administrator?
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June 12th, 2021 at 1:24:23 PM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

And in my opinion there is not a damn thing wrong with being an admirer, the same as there's not a damn thing wrong with not being an admirer of his.



Rule #6 violation?

I don't let my children say the "d" word?
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June 12th, 2021 at 1:40:25 PM permalink
Quote: mwalz9

Rule #6 violation?

I don't let my children say the "d" word?



It only counts if you make an official complaint. Join the LoPW. or just sit back as logic is twisted like a spineless pretzal
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June 12th, 2021 at 1:52:23 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Does MDawg's suspension prevent him from complaining to an administrator?

I may be mistaken, but I believe that suspended members cannot use the Send Message feature. MDawg could conceivably contact Wizard by other means. Whoever it was, that is private to Wizard.

Oh and as to the use of the expletive 'Damn'. I don't propose to apply a penalty on this occasion.
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June 12th, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM permalink
I guess I'm confused. Damn isn't profanity. Minion is an insult. House edge is fake. Betting systems work.

Did I die and go to some nasty form of the afterlife?
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June 12th, 2021 at 2:05:37 PM permalink
Quote: mwalz9

I guess I'm confused. Damn isn't profanity. Minion is an insult. House edge is fake. Betting systems work.

Did I die and go to some nasty form of the afterlife?

I did not say that 'damn' is not a profanity. I said that I would not impose a penalty on this occasion. I did not say 'minion' is an insult.

No. You voluntarily emerged in this thread, in this subforum for the mathematically challenged, where the normal rules of science, maths and nature do not apply.
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June 12th, 2021 at 2:29:46 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

I did not say that 'damn' is not a profanity. I said that I would not impose a penalty on this occasion. I did not say 'minion' is an insult.

No. You voluntarily emerged in this thread, in this subforum for the mathematically challenged, where the normal rules of science, maths and nature do not apply.



I wasn't meaning just you, personally, OnceDear. I actually enjoy your posts and humor as a mod here. I was just speaking of the forum, it's rules, and enforcement as a whole.
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June 13th, 2021 at 9:42:36 AM permalink
Wonder why wizard is so complicit in allowing some random unknown person who claims to be a real person to use the wizards name in a sub forum about systems and put it in his tag line verified by the wizard
Not only that. That dawg guys new claims are better than that I of the best fiction writers in history. 1 - 5 million dollar house purchases. Private jets and non stop wins. Now he owns companies in California that have nothing to do with his law practice. And calls people suckahs. Real profiles soon we have here
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June 13th, 2021 at 10:08:08 AM permalink
Quote: Expectedvalue

Wonder why wizard is so complicit in allowing some random unknown person who claims to be a real person to use the wizards name in a sub forum about systems and put it in his tag line verified by the wizard
Not only that. That dawg guys new claims are better than that I of the best fiction writers in history. 1 - 5 million dollar house purchases. Private jets and non stop wins. Now he owns companies in California that have nothing to do with his law practice. And calls people suckahs. Real profiles soon we have here



I do not use the Wizards name in vain, I do not use the Wizards name to endorse anything that is being sold, I do not say to buy anything or forward any money for anything based on anything the wizard has said. But if something is being sold that is in and above what I have knowledge about.

I respect The Wizard and I've gained more enthusiasm into this forum because of The Wizard and the tremendous amount of knowledge coupled with experience that the gentleman has and has shown and has given to the public. The wizard has came out and said he has verified claims made by the MDawg and I ultimately respect that as well.

Unfortunately numerous members has challenged The Wizard openly and has said derogatory things which if anybody should be called out on should be those members not myself. Again I respect The Wizard as he is a real person in reality here, the exact same as myself.

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June 13th, 2021 at 10:14:04 AM permalink
He isn’t anywhere close to the exact same as yourself. He always oreached math, until recently I held him extreme regard. Some recent events make me second guess some of that.
You make a lot of Claims aka real person. You also claim
Mdawg helped you make a few thousand . Which is almost a probability of zero happening
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June 13th, 2021 at 10:21:53 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

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Believing Mr. Wizard himself and his Verification of MDawg
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You say Wizard has verified MDawg!

Personally I challenge that as a gross mischaracterization of what wizard has done. So I've flagged this for his comments.
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June 13th, 2021 at 10:29:30 AM permalink
Quote: Expectedvalue

He isn’t anywhere close to the exact same as yourself. He always oreached math, until recently I held him extreme regard. Some recent events make me second guess some of that.
You make a lot of Claims aka real person. You also claim
Mdawg helped you make a few thousand . Which is almost a probability of zero happening



Unfortunately you assume and you come to judgment and conclusion about other people you have no idea and no factual knowledge of; if I made $50 or $50,000 or if I lost $50 or $50,000 following anything MDdawg has told me in private or I have managed to extract from anything he has written and then expanded upon it.

Those are facts you failed to acknowledge and as well, you fail to admit and recognize that. I am in the security Industry which I have wrote about a tad bit and in the security industry especially one that is open to the public and has tens of thousands of people pass through its doors where alcohol is served in abundance coupled with everything else that happens within a casino venue, leads to lots of problems on a daily and nightly basis. If we act on sheer assumption and we act because we think of something in our own personal beliefs, it would be utter chaos.

So maybe I think in a different way than you do and lots of other people on this forum do. Which doesn't make me any better, but again it doesn't make me any worse than any of you. But you sit here and you write what you assume and then you accuse, judge me of it and come to what you claim is factual about myself when it's totally the complete opposite.

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June 13th, 2021 at 10:40:27 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Let the record show that MDawg allowed me to view privately a picture that included a picture of a 100K Vegas casino chip. The picture was verifiably taken yesterday. The chip comes from the same casino at which I viewed him play. Within this picture was also a picture of a 100 Grand candy bar, and also his platinum Day Date Rolex that I handled personally when I met with him.



Here is one post where The Wizard himself has verified and publicly announced and written he's verified play and activity the MDawg.

This is what I'm referring to, just maybe I refer to it in a different way and it was taken out of context but I believe The Wizard and I admire The Wizard and The Wizard is an extreme individual with extensive knowledge of the casino industry as well as mathematics as well as the Forum Board Idustry.

Is there anything wrong with saying that I admire and I respect The Wizard and his verification of MDawg????

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June 13th, 2021 at 10:43:36 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

You say Wizard has verified MDawg!

Personally I challenge that as a gross mischaracterization of what wizard has done. So I've flagged this for his comments.



Yes I did sir!

Respectively and please see the above post. I believe there are some other posts written and posted by The Wizard himself, I just can't find them I got some problems with my laptop and I'm at work and I only have so many minutes to use it on my break, I don't cheat on company time.

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June 13th, 2021 at 10:49:56 AM permalink
Quote: Expectedvalue

That dawg guys new claims are better than that I of the best fiction writers in history. 1 - 5 million dollar house purchases. Private jets and non stop wins. Now he owns companies in California that have nothing to do with his law practice. And calls people suckahs. Real profiles soon we have here



You can always put up some non-returnable cash and challenge him again. Although, the last time you doubted him, it didn’t work out so well for you. Did it.
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June 13th, 2021 at 11:57:11 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Interesting that MDawg is currently suspended


LOL. He’s been suspended more times than the school bully. You begin to wonder when someone says “uncle”.
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June 13th, 2021 at 12:09:17 PM permalink
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LOL. He’s been suspended more times than the school bully. You begin to wonder when someone says “uncle”.



And sometimes, just sometimes the school bully is not always the one that's at fault. Sometime it's the other ones that gang up on the school bully pushing him and then pointing fingers and the teacher only sees so much. Has to act thou.

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June 13th, 2021 at 12:16:09 PM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

And sometimes, just sometimes the school bully is not always the one that's at fault. Sometime it's the other ones that gang up on the school bully pushing him and then pointing fingers and the teacher only sees so much. Has to act thou.



Then again, sometimes "the school bully" as you call him "showers" others with "contempt," ostensibly camouflaged as brags...

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June 13th, 2021 at 3:18:29 PM permalink
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The prescription version of Niacin flush is what you want.






MDawg is again making horrible medical recommendations





from N.I.H. - one of the most highly respected medical organizations in the world:





Note...................... Nicacin is the generic name for nicotonic acid, nicotinamide and related derivatives






" high intakes of both nicotinic acid and nicotinamide taken as a dietary supplement or medication can cause adverse effects,

Thirty to 50 mg nicotinic acid or more typically causes flushing; the skin on the patient’s face, arms, and chest turns a reddish color because of vasodilation of small subcutaneous blood vessels. The flushing is accompanied by burning, tingling, and itching sensations [2,12,35]. These signs and symptoms are typically transient and can occur within 30 minutes of intake or over days or weeks with repeated dosing; they are considered an unpleasant, rather than a toxic, side effect. However, the flushing can be accompanied by more serious signs and symptoms, such as headache, rash, dizziness, and/or a decrease in blood pressure.

When taken in pharmacologic doses of 1,000 to 3,000 mg/day, nicotinic acid can also cause more serious adverse effects [2,4,12,35]. Many of these effects have occurred in patients taking high-dose nicotinic acid supplements to treat hyperlipidemias. These adverse effects can include hypotension severe enough to increase the risk of falls; fatigue; impaired glucose tolerance and insulin resistance; gastrointestinal effects, such as nausea, heartburn, and abdominal pain; and ocular effects, such as blurred or impaired vision and macular edema (a buildup of fluid at the center of the retina). High doses of nicotinic acid taken over months or years can also be hepatotoxic; effects can include increased levels of liver enzymes; hepatic dysfunction resulting in fatigue, nausea, and anorexia; hepatitis; and acute liver failure [2,12,28,36]. Hepatotoxicity is more likely to occur with the use of extended-release forms of nicotinic acid [12,37,38]."






https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Niacin-HealthProfessional/




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June 13th, 2021 at 3:30:44 PM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

And sometimes, just sometimes the school bully is not always the one that's at fault. Sometime it's the other ones that gang up on the school bully pushing him and then pointing fingers and the teacher only sees so much. Has to act thou.

A Loyal and Devoted Fan of MDawg
Honorary & Official #1 Fan of the MDawg Adventures Club


A loyal and devoted fan on an anonymous message board?
Honorary & official #1 fan?

wth?
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June 13th, 2021 at 4:02:54 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Let the record show MDawg has privately shared with me an image of a casino cage check marked "Verified Win," dated very recently (late May 2021), that is low six figures.




your whole career is based on giving very exact, technical, and accurate information on all things re gambling; including systems and methods


so, how do you explain a player who wins on every single trip; having posted about dozens of trips; and has indicated that his methods only include betting on streaks, not chasing losses, and quitting while he's ahead?



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June 13th, 2021 at 4:11:47 PM permalink
He will claim that he is just stating what he saw, not claiming it can’t be manipulated. Just like he said he handled the Rolex but not that he verifies it’s authenticity either way it’s a bad look from the leader of this forum
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June 13th, 2021 at 4:34:17 PM permalink
Quote: Expectedvalue

He will claim that he is just stating what he saw, not claiming it can’t be manipulated. Just like he said he handled the Rolex but not that he verifies it’s authenticity either way it’s a bad look from the leader of this forum



Please do not disrespect the leader of this forum, Mr. Wizard. Mr. Wizard has a tremendous amount of experience and is mathematically a genius from what I have read and what I have explored into his background and what has been written about him.

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June 13th, 2021 at 4:37:37 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

how do you explain a player who wins on every single trip; having posted about dozens of trips; and has indicated that his methods only include betting on streaks, not chasing losses, and quitting while he's ahead?



I'm strictly sworn to secrecy about how mdawg plays. So, I will make a general statement, as follows.

No betting system can beat baccarat. Unless it relies on card counting, a betting system cannot even dent the house edge in baccarat. If a player claims to consistently beat the game straight up, without some form of advantage play, then I would assume one of the following to be the case:

  • The player has a very large bankroll compared to his winning goals and hasn't reached the "long term" yet.
  • The player has been, what most people would call, "lucky." I would say his overall results have are well on the right side of the bell curve, thus far.
  • The player is exaggerating.
  • The player is not keeping accurate records.


I have known plenty of recreational gamblers who always seem to come back from a casino trip with stories of winning. Said stories seem to grow with time. I'm not necessarily filing mdawg in that group. To be honest, I don't really care. I don't see why so many are so hot and bothered with him.
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June 13th, 2021 at 4:55:01 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm strictly sworn to secrecy about how mdawg plays. So, I will make a general statement, as follows.

No betting system can beat baccarat. Unless it relies on card counting, a betting system cannot even dent the house edge in baccarat. If a player claims to consistently beat the game straight up, without some form of advantage play, then I would assume one of the following to be the case:

  • The player has a very large bankroll compared to his winning goals and hasn't reached the "long term" yet.
  • The player has been, what most people would call, "lucky." I would say his overall results have are well on the right side of the bell curve, thus far.
  • The player is exaggerating.
  • The player is not keeping accurate records.


I have known plenty of recreational gamblers who always seem to come back from a casino trip with stories of winning. Said stories seem to grow with time. I'm not necessarily filing mdawg in that group. To be honest, I don't really care. I don't see why so many are so hot and bothered with him.



LOL. Call it my journalism background or English writing option or whatever, but I got a real kick out of the use of the word "exaggerating" as the third reason.

It's a curious word, as it carries with it a value connotation. Kind of a Goldilocks decision. As a writer or speaker, you have a range of words you can insert in that third reason. You could say "joshing," for example, but that implies a certain coziness and light heartedness. Probably too small a bed. Then you have "exaggerating," which has more of an objective ring to it, but doesn't assign any nefariousness. That would be Goldilocks' middle bed. I think most folks can figure out what other words might fit the bill, and might fit the bill more accurately than "joshing" or "exaggerating." But these other words, although reflecting reality more than "joshing" or "exaggerating," might be perceived as direct insults. So far be it for me to spell them out here.

I just think the choice of the word "exaggerating" was really funny. Too much preciousness with that word choice. Sometimes when it quacks, you really should identify the thing.
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June 13th, 2021 at 5:03:14 PM permalink
Let's see ... the Wiz posits four possible scenarios, but I see no rational basis with any of them them for him to be muzzled and "strictly sworn to secrecy."

If he witnessed a large bankroll that's nothing new in sin city, and is in fact what the bettor claims to have, so no secrets there.

Similarly "luck happens:" variance is no secret.

Were he to conclude there was exaggeration or sloppy records there' woul be no need to be "strictly sworn to secrecy."

Does not compute.
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June 13th, 2021 at 5:51:18 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm strictly sworn to secrecy about how mdawg plays. So, I will make a general statement, as follows.

No betting system can beat baccarat. Unless it relies on card counting, a betting system cannot even dent the house edge in baccarat. If a player claims to consistently beat the game straight up, without some form of advantage play, then I would assume one of the following to be the case:

  • The player has a very large bankroll compared to his winning goals and hasn't reached the "long term" yet.
  • The player has been, what most people would call, "lucky." I would say his overall results have are well on the right side of the bell curve, thus far.
  • The player is exaggerating.
  • The player is not keeping accurate records.


I have known plenty of recreational gamblers who always seem to come back from a casino trip with stories of winning. Said stories seem to grow with time. I'm not necessarily filing mdawg in that group. To be honest, I don't really care. I don't see why so many are so hot and bothered with him.



Mr. Wizard, you are definitely a super person, straight up person, fantastic administrator and forum leader! Thank You. Huge handshake out to you.

I work in the casino industry as you well know from what you have read and what we have communicated, but I have almost no experience running table games and knowledge of the inside of the games either for the casino or for the player. I am considered an expert and my education and my training is to the financial end of it all, the regulatory end, the state and federal requirements and everything else to do with running the property, the safety of the patrons, regulatory standards as well as federal reporting in regards to the financial end of player transactions and everything else to do with that.

However I have talked to numerous upper-level Casino executives including players that have played their entire lives and during the last couple of years I have focused a lot of my conversations on player wins and player losses. It is very interesting what the bottom line is one can come away with. I'm talking with all of these kind of people from vast educational, financial and experienced backgrounds.

I will have to side with you and say the four ultimatums you have offered for an explanation into the special MDawg and his stories are spot-on, however myself, you and anyone else on this board does not know 100% how valid each and every story that is written by himself as well as any other member actually are. I personally detest assuming, assumption, guessing and forming opinions of others when that person was not observed in order to accurately discount his claim 'story', et cetera.

Once again, I do admire yourself and I am a huge fan of MDawg from many reasons!

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June 13th, 2021 at 6:04:10 PM permalink
I had an odd encounter at the cashier's cage. A suit was back there with the cashier. I was asking about the $5 free play I should get for my 100 session points. They didn't know what I was talking about and told me to go to the promotions desk, which was closed. But the suit added, he had never heard of "session points", and I just about lost it, but just burst out with a laugh behind my mask, and left.
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June 14th, 2021 at 1:47:46 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66



Mastering Chess




the levels of chess masters are generally designated as follows:


2700+No formal title, but sometimes informally called "super grandmasters"[5]
2500–2700 most Grandmasters (GM)
2400–2500 most International Masters (IM) and some Grandmasters (GM)
2300–2400 most FIDE Masters (FM) and some International Masters (IM)
2200–2300 FIDE Candidate Masters (CM), most national masters (NM)
2000–2200 Candidate masters (CM)



he doesn't specifically identify himself as being one of these

so what does it mean if a person says he is "mastering chess"


your guess is as good as mine


my guess is it means very little or nothing at all


if a person was ranked among one of these high categories they would have designated themselves as such - not say they are "mastering chess"




prediction:


look for a follow up post where he now says he is a member of one of these categories





finding this in the post of person whose scribbles you doubt is like finding gold - you see the true colors clearly






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June 14th, 2021 at 2:03:35 AM permalink
I'm like if I can't win a chess game in 7 moves, what's the point? I'd rather play Bingo.
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June 14th, 2021 at 3:16:27 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Let's see ... the Wiz posits four possible scenarios, but I see no rational basis with any of them them for him to be muzzled and "strictly sworn to secrecy."

If he witnessed a large bankroll that's nothing new in sin city, and is in fact what the bettor claims to have, so no secrets there.

Similarly "luck happens:" variance is no secret.

Were he to conclude there was exaggeration or sloppy records there' woul be no need to be "strictly sworn to secrecy."

Does not compute.



It computes perfectly.

The Wizard observed an explainable advantage play that MDawg was utilizing.

Very early on after the Wizard observed MDawg playing I questioned why there aren't more AP's trying to understand his advantage and the Wizard made a post that he also didn't understand why. That post would have been within a week or two of the conclusion of the challenge for anyone who wants to go verify.

If the Wizard is wondering why more AP:s aren't searching for the advantage and he hasn't come out and said MDawg's methods are not an AP play (what is to be kept secret about someone who can't beat the house edge) then the only conclusion that does compute is MDawg uses an Advantage Play.

Ultimately MDawg has either lied about his winning or has lied about not being an Advantage Player. He has presented proof of winning to the Wizard and presented observational play that the Wizard cannot divulge and which the Wizard absolutely claims doesn't change his opinion on denting the house edge.

I think people are just upset someone who brags a lot might actually have something to brag about. It's human nature.

I get flack for bragging about my AP and in some weird twilight zone I also get flack for discussion of my setbacks. Perhaps it's because to have major setbacks one must also have major success first, I don't know.

I am certain there is more to the MDawg story than he is letting on. And whatever it is isn't what his naysayers expect.
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June 14th, 2021 at 3:51:47 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

It computes perfectly.

The Wizard observed an explainable advantage play that MDawg was utilizing.

Very early on after the Wizard observed MDawg playing I questioned why there aren't more AP's trying to understand his advantage and the Wizard made a post that he also didn't understand why. That post would have been within a week or two of the conclusion of the challenge for anyone who wants to go verify.

If the Wizard is wondering why more AP:s aren't searching for the advantage and he hasn't come out and said MDawg's methods are not an AP play (what is to be kept secret about someone who can't beat the house edge) then the only conclusion that does compute is MDawg uses an Advantage Play.

Ultimately MDawg has either lied about his winning or has lied about not being an Advantage Player. He has presented proof of winning to the Wizard and presented observational play that the Wizard cannot divulge and which the Wizard absolutely claims doesn't change his opinion on denting the house edge.

I think people are just upset someone who brags a lot might actually have something to brag about. It's human nature.

I get flack for bragging about my AP and in some weird twilight zone I also get flack for discussion of my setbacks. Perhaps it's because to have major setbacks one must also have major success first, I don't know.

I am certain there is more to the MDawg story than he is letting on. And whatever it is isn't what his naysayers expect.



I must say darkoz, you certainly have rationalized out and made yourself feel good that what the Great MDawg is using is probably not for you or anyone else. I too am sworn to secrecy with my conversations with the Great MDawg and I would have to also agree with you, that I don't believe his advantaged play is for you as well!

Have a beautiful day. :)!

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June 14th, 2021 at 4:05:39 AM permalink
..........................


constantly bragging on a gambling forum and then telling a couple of others that you have a secret that you won't reveal is not a good thing

gambling forums are all about sharing knowledge so everybody can learn which is what Mr. Wizard and others here do

what he is doing - if he has a winning secret - is causing distrust, disbelief and other bad feelings

if you have a reason to brag you need to share the method behind what you're bragging about or face a lot of negativity

if you asked a great football player how he became great he wouldn't tell you it's a secret - he would tell you he spent hours every day in the weight room and hours running wind sprints - or something else

the guy deserves all the negativity he receives and I don't believe he has a winning secret or anything else that he brags about

if Marcus Clark and Wellbush and a couple of others want to jump up and down about him like dizzy pre-teens at a Justin Bieber concert so be it

what a joke






and Dark Oz:


you're making cryptic remarks which are not helpful
you're implying or suggesting that you know what his "secret" is

if you have something to say you need to say it

otherwise your posts should be ignored



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June 14th, 2021 at 4:55:36 AM permalink
............................


on March 12 at 8:47 a.m. MDawg posted this in this thread:



Quote: MDawg




I have a system for predicting the ties. I bet them when I do, I usually win. 𝐎𝐟 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞 𝐦𝐲 𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐦𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐢𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐭𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝟏𝟎𝟎%, but I will hit the majority of my tie bets.




imagine that...............a frank admission that he doesn't hit ties 100% of the time - such modesty

statistically ties come about 9.5% of the time or a little bit less often than one in 10 times

how brain dead does a person have to be to believe that?

believe it or not there are a few here who believe it





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June 14th, 2021 at 5:51:14 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

I did not say that 'damn' is not a profanity. I said that I would not impose a penalty on this occasion. I did not say 'minion' is an insult.

No. You voluntarily emerged in this thread, in this subforum for the mathematically challenged, where the normal rules of science, maths and nature do not apply.



From my angle, not only mathematically challenged but theoretically challenged as well! Wasn't it Warren Buffet who said if you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it yourself?

So i'm waiting to hear a simple explanation for EV, and a simple explanation for Wellbush's Paradox!
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June 14th, 2021 at 5:53:36 AM permalink
It's easy to win or lose more than the EV, but those results are affected by EV, because you're being shortchanged on every bet.
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June 14th, 2021 at 5:56:12 AM permalink
Quote: mwalz9

Rule #6 violation?

I don't let my children say the "d" word?

should your children be exposed to this site? is the "d" word that bad for adults?
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June 14th, 2021 at 6:17:41 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm strictly sworn to secrecy about how mdawg plays. So, I will make a general statement, as follows.

No betting system can beat baccarat. Unless it relies on card counting, a betting system cannot even dent the house edge in baccarat. If a player claims to consistently beat the game straight up, without some form of advantage play, then I would assume one of the following to be the case:

  • The player has a very large bankroll compared to his winning goals and hasn't reached the "long term" yet.
  • The player has been, what most people would call, "lucky." I would say his overall results have are well on the right side of the bell curve, thus far.
  • The player is exaggerating.
  • The player is not keeping accurate records.


I have known plenty of recreational gamblers who always seem to come back from a casino trip with stories of winning. Said stories seem to grow with time. I'm not necessarily filing mdawg in that group. To be honest, I don't really care. I don't see why so many are so hot and bothered with him.



i'm surprised you consider MD's exploits meaningless! what do have to say re Wellbush's Paradox?
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June 14th, 2021 at 6:26:23 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: Wizard

I'm strictly sworn to secrecy about how mdawg plays. So, I will make a general statement, as follows.

No betting system can beat baccarat. Unless it relies on card counting, a betting system cannot even dent the house edge in baccarat. If a player claims to consistently beat the game straight up, without some form of advantage play, then I would assume one of the following to be the case:

  • The player has a very large bankroll compared to his winning goals and hasn't reached the "long term" yet.
  • The player has been, what most people would call, "lucky." I would say his overall results have are well on the right side of the bell curve, thus far.
  • The player is exaggerating.
  • The player is not keeping accurate records.


I have known plenty of recreational gamblers who always seem to come back from a casino trip with stories of winning. Said stories seem to grow with time. I'm not necessarily filing mdawg in that group. To be honest, I don't really care. I don't see why so many are so hot and bothered with him.



Mr. Wizard, you are definitely a super person, straight up person, fantastic administrator and forum leader! Thank You. Huge handshake out to you.

I work in the casino industry as you well know from what you have read and what we have communicated, but I have almost no experience running table games and knowledge of the inside of the games either for the casino or for the player. I am considered an expert and my education and my training is to the financial end of it all, the regulatory end, the state and federal requirements and everything else to do with running the property, the safety of the patrons, regulatory standards as well as federal reporting in regards to the financial end of player transactions and everything else to do with that.

However I have talked to numerous upper-level Casino executives including players that have played their entire lives and during the last couple of years I have focused a lot of my conversations on player wins and player losses. It is very interesting what the bottom line is one can come away with. I'm talking with all of these kind of people from vast educational, financial and experienced backgrounds.

I will have to side with you and say the four ultimatums you have offered for an explanation into the special MDawg and his stories are spot-on, however myself, you and anyone else on this board does not know 100% how valid each and every story that is written by himself as well as any other member actually are. I personally detest assuming, assumption, guessing and forming opinions of others when that person was not observed in order to accurately discount his claim 'story', et cetera.

Once again, I do admire yourself and I am a huge fan of MDawg from many reasons!

Signed with Respect & Admiration of The Wizard and MDawg
Marcus Clark
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i am yet to be convinced the wiz is correct when Welbush's Paradox and MD's verified wins, do not scientifically support the wiz's stance!
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June 14th, 2021 at 6:56:23 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

..........................


constantly bragging on a gambling forum and then telling a couple of others that you have a secret that you won't reveal is not a good thing

gambling forums are all about sharing knowledge so everybody can learn which is what Mr. Wizard and others here do

what he is doing - if he has a winning secret - is causing distrust, disbelief and other bad feelings

if you have a reason to brag you need to share the method behind what you're bragging about or face a lot of negativity

if you asked a great football player how he became great he wouldn't tell you it's a secret - he would tell you he spent hours every day in the weight room and hours running wind sprints - or something else

the guy deserves all the negativity he receives and I don't believe he has a winning secret or anything else that he brags about

if Marcus Clark and Wellbush and a couple of others want to jump up and down about him like dizzy pre-teens at a Justin Bieber concert so be it

what a joke






and Dark Oz:


you're making cryptic remarks which are not helpful
you're implying or suggesting that you know what his "secret" is

if you have something to say you need to say it

otherwise your posts should be ignored



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Really???

I described a dead play on here and caused an exodus of AP players who weren't even aware of the move

And you believe MDawg should expose a live play?

According to some AP's on here not only is being cryptic smart but totally silent. On a gambling forum meant to share knowledge.

I personally agree with your sentiment which is why I have shared some of my secrets and it's always been heckled

Heckling for not sharing secrets as well?

You aren't making this easy!

EDIT: I don't know what MDawg does but I have my suspicion. I don't mind discussing that if you wish
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June 14th, 2021 at 9:06:53 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I have a system for predicting the ties. I bet them when I do, I usually win. 𝐎𝐟 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞 𝐦𝐲 𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐦𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐢𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐭𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝟏𝟎𝟎%, but I will hit the majority of my tie bets.



Quote: lilredrooster

imagine that...............a frank admission that he doesn't hit ties 100% of the time - such modesty

statistically ties come about 9.5% of the time or a little bit less often than one in 10 times

how brain dead does a person have to be to believe that?

believe it or not there are a few here who believe it



The Wizard casino pays 9 to 1 on ties and throws out the red carpet for Mdawg. Let's see if he will accept the challenge.
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June 14th, 2021 at 9:20:40 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The Wizard casino pays 9 to 1 on ties and throws out the red carpet for Mdawg. Let's see if he will accept the challenge.



The wizard casino is open? Where is it. What's the address.
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June 14th, 2021 at 9:52:49 AM permalink
It has come to my attention that lilredrooster incorrectly quoted mdawg in this post.

Quote: lilredrooster quoting mdawg

I have a system for predicting the ties. I bet them when I do, I usually win. 𝐎𝐟 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞 𝐦𝐲 𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐦𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐢𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐭𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝟏𝟎𝟎%, but I will hit the majority of my tie bets.



Here is the actual quote:

Quote: mdawg

I have a system for predicting the ties. I bet them rarely, but when I do, I usually win. In my life I have bet a couple of $3000. tie bets (paying off $24,000.) and hit them both. 2/2. I have also bet a few $2000. and $1500. tie bets, and hit them all too. Of course, my average with smaller tie bets is not 100%, but when I am running hot (get me some antifreeze!), I will hit the majority of my tie bets.



Note: Emphasis added is mine.

I tend to think the misquote was accidental. Saying "I bet them when I do" is saying nothing. Of course when mdawg is betting the tie when he is betting the tie. Mdawg also added context that I think should have been included in the quote. If LRR didn't feel the part about antifreeze was signficiant, he should have included some ...'s.

Given what I believe is an accidental and sloppy misquote, I will let lilredrooster off with a warning to properly quote other members in the future.

All that said, my Wizard 9 to 1 tie bet challenge still stands.
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June 14th, 2021 at 10:16:25 AM permalink
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June 14th, 2021 at 10:31:22 AM permalink
................


here is Eliot Jacobson's (who is a member here and who posts here) analysis of the potential edge on betting ties done by "computer perfect play" - in other words tracking every single card and every single probability from the cards remaining in the deck

it does not consider the possibility of getting an edge thru edge sorting or tracking a slug thru the dealout

because of the Phil Ivey thing casinos have probably eliminated entirely the possibility of edge sorting

tracking a slug thru the dealout is a high level skill never mentioned by or suggested by MDawg - so we would have to conclude that him doing either of those things is highly unlikely

so, anyway, as you can see - per Mr. Jacobson's analysis of the potential for getting an edge on the tie bet even with "computer perfect play" is nowhere remotely close in percentage size to what MDawg suggested or implied that he could get

take a look:










https://www.888casino.com/blog/baccarat-tips/computer-perfect-play-against-the-baccarat-tie-bet






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June 14th, 2021 at 10:40:05 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

................


here is Eliot Jacobson's (who is a member here and who posts here) analysis of the potential edge on betting ties done by "computer perfect play" - in other words tracking every single card and every single probability from the cards remaining in the deck

it does not consider the possibility of getting an edge thru edge sorting or tracking a slug thru the dealout

because of the Phil Ivey thing casinos have probably eliminated entirely the possibility of edge sorting

tracking a slug thru the dealout is a high level skill never mentioned by or suggested by MDawg - so we would have to conclude that him doing either of those things is highly unlikely

so, anyway, as you can see - per Mr. Jacobson's analysis of the potential for getting an edge on the tie bet even with "computer perfect play" is nowhere remotely close to what MDawg suggested or implied that he could get

take a look:










https://www.888casino.com/blog/baccarat-tips/computer-perfect-play-against-the-baccarat-tie-bet






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I am quite certain MDawg is not edge sorting.
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June 14th, 2021 at 11:13:32 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Some people (not successful Baccarat players) ask...how do you press into a run, or get on a run to begin with? How do you know it will keep up? I'd say, how do you not get on a run, whether it be a chop, run, or any sort of pattern that repeats itself more than three times? It's rare that I will miss a run of more than 3.




how brain dead does a person have to be to actually believe you can get an edge at a negative expectancy house game this way?

something like 70% of craps players press their bets up when they believe a run is coming

does anybody believe they're long term winners?

only a fool would believe beating a casino is so easy




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June 14th, 2021 at 1:56:46 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Really???

I described a dead play on here and caused an exodus of AP players who weren't even aware of the move

And you believe MDawg should expose a live play?

According to some AP's on here not only is being cryptic smart but totally silent. On a gambling forum meant to share knowledge.

I personally agree with your sentiment which is why I have shared some of my secrets and it's always been heckled

Heckling for not sharing secrets as well?

You aren't making this easy!

EDIT: I don't know what MDawg does but I have my suspicion. I don't mind discussing that if you wish

Oh Gawd, let's clear this up, a few (mainly one/two in particular) members who know each other IRL had issues with this sites general policy regarding TMI, it's "mass exodus" was people showing a dislike for that policy and showing support for each other. Call it what you want..follow the leader, a domino effect, general concinnous, or pure pressure or collective decision or whatever. They were disappointed that I wouldn't join the protest as well, but I was given a "pass"
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June 14th, 2021 at 2:05:17 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

how brain dead does a person have to be to actually believe you can get an edge at a negative expectancy house game this way?

something like 70% of craps players press their bets up when they believe a run is coming

does anybody believe they're long term winners?

only a fool would believe beating a casino is so easy




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I agree 100% with this post! Craps is my go to game! I play the don't with max odds. I start with a table minimum line bet and max odds. 1 point only working. Shooter hits his point, I double the line bet and max the odds. I press into this until he hits a 7 out. Sure the 7 is coming. No one rolls forever. Have I made money doing this. Absolutely! Have I lost my bankroll for the day doing this? Absolutely! I'd say, give or take, in my 22 years of playing I'm down approximately...surprise, surprise...THE HOUSE EDGE!
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