Oscar's Grind
March 31st, 2019 at 7:55:24 AM
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Any thoughts on whether or not one should use Oscar's Grind while playing Blackjack? Is a good way of making extra money in the short run. However, in the long run, it seems as though it could possibly lead you to financial disaster if you end up betting, say $1,000 per hand.
March 31st, 2019 at 8:38:40 AM
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I used a modified Oscar's Grind for years. I'm not sure how you'd ever get to $1,000 a hand unless you started at $100 and even then betting ten units is extremely unusual.
Because of doubles and splits, using a straight Oscar doesn't work on BJ.
I have no idea if my OG results were any better than flat betting did. I do know getting a BJ with a big bet out feels better than a minimum one, but in the long run means nothing.
Because of doubles and splits, using a straight Oscar doesn't work on BJ.
I have no idea if my OG results were any better than flat betting did. I do know getting a BJ with a big bet out feels better than a minimum one, but in the long run means nothing.
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April 2nd, 2019 at 6:45:33 AM
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Thanks for the info. My thinking on this is this. Let's say that you start with $10 bets. Then you get on a losing streak somewhere. Each time you do get a win, you increase your bet by +1. But let's say that you get mostly losses and just a few spotty wins here and there. As a result, you get way, way in the negative. That will add up to your betting units being very significant after awhile as you never really get back to "0" or $10 won.
April 2nd, 2019 at 8:30:56 AM
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How are your results if you were flat betting in the same scenario?
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April 2nd, 2019 at 9:45:51 AM
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With 'grind' in its name would anyone ever have fun doing it?????
April 2nd, 2019 at 9:57:39 AM
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Quote: ryanp...But let's say that you get mostly losses and just a few spotty wins here and there. As a result, you get way, way in the negative. That will add up to your betting units being very significant .....
That's exactly what happens when using OG.
Oscar, if he existed at all, used it when playing craps because the Pass Line and Don’t Pass bets win 49.3% of the time, vs only 47.5% for Blackjack using perfect basic strategy.
He started with a $1 unit, and said he never lost. If that is true, he didn’t play long enough.
Play long enough and the OG bet size grow to hundreds of units.
I’ve done sims on WinCraps, where the bet size grew to more than 1,000 units.
Click the Games link above to try it.
April 2nd, 2019 at 1:17:11 PM
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Probably you would lose far, far less in the long run. Oscar's Grind seems to be successful when you get on a long winning streak. Or if you get mostly wins with a few losses here and there. If you don't limit your highest bet, you probably will find yourself betting way, way more than you would normally bet.
April 2nd, 2019 at 1:18:01 PM
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definitely true
April 3rd, 2019 at 3:25:23 AM
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Quote: ryanpIf you don't limit your highest bet, you probably will find yourself betting way, way more than you would normally bet.
If you limit your highest bet, you are back to flat betting, but at a higher bet level.
This article was originally a post written by a member on the Gamblers Glen forum twelve years ago.
Instead of limiting bet size, the author preferred a loss limit.
At the time this was written, there were still a lot of low limit single deck games with liberal rules available for the author to play.
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April 3rd, 2019 at 7:44:36 AM
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Quote: ryanpOscar's Grind seems to be successful when you get on a long winning streak.
Most systems are.
April 3rd, 2019 at 10:06:08 AM
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Quote: TankoThat's exactly what happens when using OG.
Oscar, if he existed at all, used it when playing craps because the Pass Line and Don’t Pass bets win 49.3% of the time, vs only 47.5% for Blackjack using perfect basic strategy.
He started with a $1 unit, and said he never lost. If that is true, he didn’t play long enough.
Play long enough and the OG bet size grow to hundreds of units.
I’ve done sims on WinCraps, where the bet size grew to more than 1,000 units.
Click the Games link above to try it.
You did Oscar's Grind and starting with one unit, you got into the thousands? Either you are as unlucky as Zen King or you are doing it very wrong.
Betting on craps, you win or lose your bet. In BJ, you get 1.5 times your bet approx. once every 22 hands.
Flat betting, you can expect over four BJs per hundred hands. That adds up to two units per hundred. 49.5 vs 49.3.
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April 3rd, 2019 at 5:20:17 PM
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You are right Bill. One wonders if these posters follow the rules of the grind.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
April 22nd, 2019 at 6:58:54 AM
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Tanko - I agree totally with you. I've practiced OG at home with 6 decks of cards. Sometimes you make a great deal of money (pretend) utilizing OG. But then a long losing streak will occur with a few wins here and there. I've ended up more than $10,000 (pretend) down and betting more than $1,000 per hand. That's too rich for me. I guess that I answered my own question.
April 22nd, 2019 at 7:04:21 AM
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You are doing something very wrong to get results like that. Obviously Oscar doesn't like you and is skewing the results. You should never be making a great deal of money, nor be down that kind of money. It's called a.grind for a reason.
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April 22nd, 2019 at 7:06:19 AM
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Billryan -
I think that Tanko is correct in how it is played. Each time you lose a hand, you bet the same amount in the next hand. If you win a hand, you increase the bet +1 unit for the next hand. If you get into a losing mode where you win just a scattering of wins here and there, you will end up betting very, very large amounts each time and be in the negative by huge amounts. I suppose that you can either set a limit to your highest bet size so as not to get way over your head. Or you can set a loss limit each time.
I think that Tanko is correct in how it is played. Each time you lose a hand, you bet the same amount in the next hand. If you win a hand, you increase the bet +1 unit for the next hand. If you get into a losing mode where you win just a scattering of wins here and there, you will end up betting very, very large amounts each time and be in the negative by huge amounts. I suppose that you can either set a limit to your highest bet size so as not to get way over your head. Or you can set a loss limit each time.
April 22nd, 2019 at 7:16:49 AM
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It is called a grind because you grind away, and there should be no wild bet swings. In hundreds of hours of casino play, I think I've got to a 10 unit bet perhaps a half dozen times.
It's probably best you don't try it in real life.
It's probably best you don't try it in real life.
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April 22nd, 2019 at 8:27:45 AM
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Quote: ryanpBut then a long losing streak will occur with a few wins here and there. I've ended up more than $10,000 (pretend) down and betting more than $1,000 per hand.
With Blackjack, perfect basic strategy will lose 52.5% of the hands played, and see crushing longer losing streaks than a game like craps.
The progression always increases the longer you play.
Some of my craps sims won. Most lost.
20K roll sims, starting with a $10 bet, busted $10K bankrolls 80% of the time, with an average highest bet of 600 units. One sim reached 1,042 units.
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:59:45 AM
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Quote: TankoWith Blackjack, perfect basic strategy will lose 52.5% of the hands played, and see crushing longer losing streaks than a game like craps.
The progression always increases the longer you play.
Some of my craps sims won. Most lost.
20K roll sims, starting with a $10 bet, busted $10K bankrolls 80% of the time, with an average highest bet of 600 units. One sim reached 1,042 units.
Okay. So you busted a $10,000 BR with an average high bet of $6,000? Surprising. Why limit it to 20,000 rolls? Why not finish a sequence?
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June 15th, 2019 at 2:15:08 AM
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this is a thought for martingale players - and I know it cannot be the basis of a winning system
but I play it just for fun sometimes on the Wiz's baccarat game
so - if your marty is 100, 200, 400, 800 and that is your maximum loss then for this series you have a total risk of losing $1500 if you lose 4 in a row
but if you modify your marty into this: 100, 100, 300, 600 - then you still have chances to win but your total risk is only $1100 - reducing your total risk by about 27%
if you win on your 2nd bet of 100 then you have to start over
of course, I know that because the 2nd bet does not get a profit you won't win 100 as often
and if you further modify into this: 100, 100, 300, 700 - then on your last bet you have increased your total risk to $1200 or about 9% greater risk
but on the last bet you have increased your total potential profit by 100%
none of this will get you ahead in the long run but still
kind of interesting to me
but I play it just for fun sometimes on the Wiz's baccarat game
so - if your marty is 100, 200, 400, 800 and that is your maximum loss then for this series you have a total risk of losing $1500 if you lose 4 in a row
but if you modify your marty into this: 100, 100, 300, 600 - then you still have chances to win but your total risk is only $1100 - reducing your total risk by about 27%
if you win on your 2nd bet of 100 then you have to start over
of course, I know that because the 2nd bet does not get a profit you won't win 100 as often
and if you further modify into this: 100, 100, 300, 700 - then on your last bet you have increased your total risk to $1200 or about 9% greater risk
but on the last bet you have increased your total potential profit by 100%
none of this will get you ahead in the long run but still
kind of interesting to me
the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
June 15th, 2019 at 4:16:18 AM
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Quote: lilredroosterand if you further modify into this: 100, 100, 300, 700 - then on your last bet you have increased your total risk to $1200 or about 9% greater risk
but on the last bet you have increased your total potential profit by 100%
9% greater risk?
Is it worth potentially increasing your previous losses by 140%, on a single bet that you only have a 50.7% chance of winning?
June 15th, 2019 at 4:29:27 AM
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Quote: Tanko9% greater risk?
Is it worth potentially increasing your previous losses by 140%, on a single bet that you only have a 50.7% chance of winning?
9% greater than 1100 which is your total risk of the series if you did not do this
is it worth it?
no, as I stated it's just a system for fun
I'm not claiming it's a winning system
it's no worse or better than any other system that will be beaten by the house edge
it's dependent on what you personally prefer
if I was a martingale player, which I'm not in real action, I would prefer it as a way to get greater than 50% wins on the series when considering the whole series as one bet
others may not - whatever
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March 19th, 2020 at 8:25:14 AM
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I've tried this method a lot of times not with real money but every time I manage to win money instead of losing, this is less risky than martingale and it's really a grind.
I tried it like this start with 1$ play untill I reach a win of 10$ restart ,at times the bet can go close to 15-20 and you are still losing after this you change your goals again after you reach some profit or your starting point and lower your bet again at 1.It's risky when you start to bet more than 10$ but that's how gambling is everytime you are not scared and still play you eventually win.Try it yourself and report
I tried it like this start with 1$ play untill I reach a win of 10$ restart ,at times the bet can go close to 15-20 and you are still losing after this you change your goals again after you reach some profit or your starting point and lower your bet again at 1.It's risky when you start to bet more than 10$ but that's how gambling is everytime you are not scared and still play you eventually win.Try it yourself and report
March 19th, 2020 at 9:21:30 AM
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How many people keeping up with their monthly payments on a Yugo using this system?
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
March 20th, 2020 at 1:38:25 PM
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What other system then you suggest?
Last edited by: ss17 on Mar 20, 2020
March 20th, 2020 at 1:57:26 PM
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Quote: ss17What other system than you suggest?
Some people enjoy great success using Swami Pastrami's method, but it's not for everyone.
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March 20th, 2020 at 2:06:14 PM
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Can you explain the method because I can't find a lot of information
March 20th, 2020 at 2:16:54 PM
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Quote: ss17Can you explain the method because I can't find a lot of information
No. If you want to be an AP, the first rule is do your own research. The Swami had thousands of followers who quadrupled their initial outlays, and dozens who turned a $100 into mid five figures. All backed up by simple math.
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March 20th, 2020 at 2:42:54 PM
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Try to roll 18 yo’s in a row, that should make a few dollars!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
March 20th, 2020 at 6:24:35 PM
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It will make quite a few dollars for the casino!Quote: DeMangoTry to roll 18 yo’s in a row, that should make a few dollars!
March 21st, 2020 at 2:17:04 AM
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So it's basically a story that in the end tells that progressive betting does not work?I was searching for system...
March 21st, 2020 at 8:07:26 AM
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Look at the bright side. It only took 3 pages here to figure out you need to be an AP to make money!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
March 22nd, 2020 at 1:13:23 AM
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Ok I was trying this method wrong anyways
I am trying this method everyday my goal is to reach 50$ my starting bet is 1$ will see how it goes yesterday I reached 149 starting with 100.
Edit :199 today will update if in 5 days if I still win or lose all my money
I am trying this method everyday my goal is to reach 50$ my starting bet is 1$ will see how it goes yesterday I reached 149 starting with 100.
Edit :199 today will update if in 5 days if I still win or lose all my money
Last edited by: ss17 on Mar 22, 2020
March 22nd, 2020 at 6:09:08 AM
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Quote: ss17Ok I was trying this method wrong anyways
I am trying this method everyday my goal is to reach 50$ my starting bet is 1$ will see how it goes yesterday I reached 149 starting with 100.
Edit :199 today will update if in 5 days if I still win or lose all my money
I quiver with anticipation.
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March 22nd, 2020 at 6:12:11 AM
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Quote: ss17Edit :199 today will update if in 5 days if I still win or lose all my money
Set a loss limit of 100 units, and the worst you can do now is break even.
You can have more winning sessions than losing ones with OG, but unless you have a loss limit, you will eventually have a session where you will lose your entire bankroll.
I played six OG sessions last month on the local bubble craps, betting the DP with a 100 unit loss limit, and a goal of winning ten units per session. I quit four sessions out of boredom, after winning five units. During the sixth session, I was one unit away from winning ten, when a combination of losses and far fewer wins had me down 63 units and making nine unit bets. I ended up winning ten units for the session. I could have more easily lost 100.
March 22nd, 2020 at 10:42:29 AM
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Yeap but I am pretty sure that depends on your bankroll if you lose 10 times in a row then it's statistically impossible to to lose again 10 times and it's very possible that now you can have a win streak but setting loss limit might be more safe
What I wonder is what the difference of playing let's say 8 hours str8 vs playing everyday with a goal of let's say 50.
Isn't the same thing?Or the next day just resets everything haha
What I wonder is what the difference of playing let's say 8 hours str8 vs playing everyday with a goal of let's say 50.
Isn't the same thing?Or the next day just resets everything haha
March 22nd, 2020 at 11:43:29 AM
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Quote: TankoSet a loss limit of 100 units, and the worst you can do now is break even.
You can have more winning sessions than losing ones with OG, but unless you have a loss limit, you will eventually have a session where you will lose your entire bankroll.
I played six OG sessions last month on the local bubble craps, betting the DP with a 100 unit loss limit, and a goal of winning ten units per session. I quit four sessions out of boredom, after winning five units. During the sixth session, I was one unit away from winning ten, when a combination of losses and far fewer wins had me down 63 units and making nine unit bets. I ended up winning ten units for the session. I could have more easily lost 100.
Could you walk me thru this because in years of OG I've never had results like that. People here talk about wild swings yet in thousands of situations, I've never seen one personally. I fully understand quitting out of boredom because it is incredibly tedious but the whole idea of a grind is not to have such wild swings.
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March 24th, 2020 at 10:23:46 AM
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Back to 92
Day 1 Very risky but reached 258
Day 2 Dropped to 165 with some risk I got to 207
And now back to 92 haha
The problem I find is shuffling that happens and it's restarting the game when after a few losses a winning streak comes
Day 1 Very risky but reached 258
Day 2 Dropped to 165 with some risk I got to 207
And now back to 92 haha
The problem I find is shuffling that happens and it's restarting the game when after a few losses a winning streak comes
March 24th, 2020 at 12:08:11 PM
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Shuffling wouldn't affect anything. Each hand is basically a restart. If you're not APing, odds are you'll lose eventually. If you were just playing for fun I'd have less to say, but you will lose over time and not earn like you want.
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March 24th, 2020 at 12:27:23 PM
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A man jumps off the Empire State Building.
As he passes the 80th floor, his phone rings.
He answers it as he passes the 70th floor.
How is it going,? his friend asks.
As he passes the 30th floor, he responds
So far, so good!
As he passes the 80th floor, his phone rings.
He answers it as he passes the 70th floor.
How is it going,? his friend asks.
As he passes the 30th floor, he responds
So far, so good!
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
March 25th, 2020 at 9:48:42 AM
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My results with just martingale system I bet 10 and the goal is 50$ after that I reload the page and start new game(I guess it's like a new day) all those wins I made them under 1 minute I will compare them to oscars grind which from now it does not look so good even though I set a goal of 30$
1.win
2.win
3.win
4.win
5.win(betting 160)
6.win
7.win
8.win
9.win
10.win
1.win
2.win
3.win
4.win
5.win(betting 160)
6.win
7.win
8.win
9.win
10.win
