Cancellation DOES work
Quote: AxelWolfUm ya, I declined the ones where you proposed something that was +EV for yourself. I don't think that was your intention, you just didnt realize what you were proposing would have been + EV for you. I certainly hope you didnt realize that since the entire point of our wagering discussion was for you to prove you can beat a -EV game with your shooting skills and betting system by putting your money where your mouth was.
That's why I said multiple times that I would just book the bets a if I was the casino. Whatever you win I will double, triple etc but whatever you lost you would do the same. With a situation such as that there would be no obligations other than one of us paying what we own once we were finished.
You obviously are trying to deflect. Since when is betting parlays and teasers a +EV? I proposed several sports bets to you after you ran your mouth about wanting to take my action. On every occasion, you declined. I sense major fear on you behalf.... #all bark!
I see you are back. I wonder how long I will allow you to stay this time?Quote: WatchMeWinYou obviously are trying to deflect. Since when is betting parlays and teasers a +EV? I proposed several sports bets to you after you ran your mouth about wanting to take my action. On every occasion, you declined. I sense major fear on you behalf.... #all bark!
I didnt realize you were talking about the parlays. The conversation was about you coming to LV and demonstrating your craps magic. So I'm not sure how that is deflecting.
I'm not willing to book your action on credit. I told you what was needed before I was going to book any sports bets with you. A way you/me could send immediate payment before and after a bet resolved, something like PayPal. You didn't seem to want to do that. Then we would have to set up another line of communication since you get suspended from here so often. TBH, the amount you were wanting to bet really isn't worth the hassle for me.
Quote: AxelWolfI see you are back. I wonder how long I will allow you to stay this time?
I didnt realize you were talking about the parlays. The conversation was about you coming to LV and demonstrating your craps magic. So I'm not sure how that is deflecting.
I'm not willing to book your action on credit. I told you what was needed before I was going to book any sports bets with you. A way you/me could send immediate payment before and after a bet resolved, something like PayPal. You didn't seem to want to do that. Then we would have to set up another line of communication since you get suspended from here so often. TBH, the amount you were wanting to bet really isn't worth the hassle for me.
You obviously dont pay attention to much. I havent talked about a craps bet scenario in ages here. I have only bet you on sports ... to which you first barked how you would take my bets any day , but then went into hiding when I proposed several wagers... btw, of which I won all... lucky you! I see why you are so scared now.
So , what is the amount of wager that would be 'worth the hassle' for you?
Or perhaps you are not paying attention. I asked you on a different thread recently about coming to vegas for craps. And in this thread I said this....Quote: WatchMeWinYou obviously dont pay attention to much. I havent talked about a craps bet scenario in ages here. I have only bet you on sports ... to which you first barked how you would take my bets any day , but then went into hiding when I proposed several wagers... btw, of which I won all... lucky you! I see why you are so scared now.
So , what is the amount of wager that would be 'worth the hassle' for you?
"WMW are you coming to the WOV Spring Fling? IIRC we still have a potential bet to get rolling." Why would you need to come to Vegas for any sports wager with me? That makes no sence. Notice the word >>>ROLLING<<<<
You refused/avoided setting up a payment system with me and that's exactly why I wouldn't take any of your bets.. Weren't you betting with Tom? What happened with that?
Quote: AxelWolfOr perhaps you are not paying attention. I asked you on a different thread recently about coming to vegas for craps. And in this thread I said this....
"WMW are you coming to the WOV Spring Fling? IIRC we still have a potential bet to get rolling." Why would you need to come to Vegas for any sports wager with me? That makes no sence. Notice the word >>>ROLLING<<<<
You refused/avoided setting up a payment system with me and that's exactly why I wouldn't take any of your bets.. Weren't you betting with Tom? What happened with that?
You keep trying to divert. If I were i Vegas, I would gladly take your money in any bet. However, I am not, therefore I proposed sports wager with you in response to your garbage jargon.... to which you ran and hid like a little sheep. So how much is 'worth the hassle'? I showed how awful I am with sports yesterday, so this is easy +EV money for you. Lets go! Im looking at games for this week as we speak.
Regarding others here that Ive wagered with.... none of your business. The others are honorable and respectable... all good experiences with them.
Quote: TigerWuMan, this thread's gone completely off the rails...
You are going to get suspended for this..... I see a suspension coming for you!
Quote: WatchMeWinYou are going to get suspended for this..... I see a suspension coming for you!
LOL
Quote: TigerWuMan, this thread's gone completely off the rails...
Agreed. It's taken a very specific route off topic. I doubt it was a deliberate hijack: these things happen.
WatchMeWin & Axelwolf, Please take your little spat to another thread, or better still to PM.... Thanks in advance.
Quote: OnceDearAgreed. It's taken a very specific route off topic. I doubt it was a deliberate hijack: these things happen.
WatchMeWin & Axelwolf, Please take your little spat to another thread, or better still to PM.... Thanks in advance.
Because we need to get back to debating cancellation? That's almost as stimulating as reading about impoverished seniors and their struggles to heat their mcmansions.
Quote: OnceDearAgreed. It's taken a very specific route off topic. I doubt it was a deliberate hijack: these things happen.
WatchMeWin & Axelwolf, Please take your little spat to another thread, or better still to PM.... Thanks in advance.
You again(#WME)?
Sure thing boss man.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/30497-gambling-miscellaneous-discussion-thread/39/#post708695
No. Because new visitors might see the title of the thread and be disappointed to find themselves reading about an unrelated interpersonal spat.Quote: billryanBecause we need to get back to debating cancellation? That's almost as stimulating as reading about impoverished seniors and their struggles to heat their mcmansions.
Yes. Let's get back to deriding the 'cancelation' system
Quote: TigerWuMan, this thread's gone completely off the rails...
Yes, I vote we change the name to Voodoo, Pissing Matches and Alt-Shenannigans.
Obviously he's not endorsing such a plan but it does show that, given the right circumstances, even the Wizard might pull a betting system out of his tool bag.Quote: WoODear Mr. Wizard, If you had $5,000 to bet and wanted to win only $200 what game would you play? Please assume European rules and choose only among roulette, black jack, or baccarat.
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I would bet $200 on the player bet in baccarat. If it wins, walk, if it loses then bet $400 (or whatever you lost). Then just go into a Martingale until you win your $200 or lose your entire $5,000.
I never cared much for baccarat. Never played it on the simulator here. It's boring, even when peeling up the cards and destroying the deck. Then I used it as a means of getting hands-on experience learning the (evil) betting systems and now I love the game. I play here all the time testing and tweaking systems, like trying to build a perpetual motion machine or turn lead into gold. As I said earlier on this thread, it's just a toy to mess with, but I have a lot of fun doing it. Would I try it at a casino? Sure, but only for small stakes.
It would be fun having a future contest here to see who can build the best betting system (like building pumpkin cannons). Whoever's system lasts the longest before utter ruin wins. My machine uses a modified D’Alembert engine and runs on 97 octane gambler's fallacy. With a $200 bankroll and a $5 base unit it will win $100 per shoe three fifths of the time and lose $200 the other two times.
Beat that suckas! [mic drop]
Quote: ThatDonGuyI'll do better - I ran 100 million runs (i.e. play until you complete the sequence, 100 million times).
Using a $1 bet on player, there were 40 runs had a point where you were down at least 100 billion (that's billion with a B) dollars.
12 of those had a point where you were down one trillion dollars.
The largest deficit was 12.6 trillion dollars - and this does not take into account the additional trillions of dollars you need for your next bet.
Note that none of the runs needed more than 550 hands, so "not enough time" does not seem to be a problem.
Here is an example of a run that ended after 283 hands, with a total loss at one point of 8.4 billion dollars, with the next bet being almost 2 billion:
Sorry I couldn't quite follow. So, in your run of 283 hands (which is somewhere between 3 and 4 Bacc. shoes), it was a Bank Player Baccarat presentation? I haven't played 100 million shoes but the best I have ever seen that I played at, where I really cleaned up (mid six figures), was 22 players followed by one bank followed by 26 players.
So you're saying, how many banks (or players) came in a row that doubling a dollar ended up getting to a two billion bet? I could do the factorial I suppose but just wanted to ask.
There are between 75 and 85 hands in a typical Baccarat shoe. I think the chance of there being a 32 bank or player run is definitely astronomical, but not by any means impossible.
I wonder if, in that simulation done, if it was done simulating a sort of "continuous shuffle" where each hand was independent. The proper way to do the simulation would be with six or eight decks of cards at a time, and then starting anew with six or eight more decks.
In any case, there's no need to get to the theoretical. On my last trip to Vegas, where I was there almost three weeks and played Baccarat most every (but not every) day, I experienced at least an 11 and on many days 13 bank or player run each day that I did play, and this was with playing anywhere from only a couple to ten shoes in a day. So, if you were doubling the table minimum $100. you'd reach the table max of $20,000. after only nine players or banks (against you). Even if there were no $20K limit at all, after 13 banks (or players) against you, you'd be betting now over $400K on a hand, which is higher than the limits that the casinos give even the players with $5M credit lines.
Stepping back from all this "cancellation" nonsense, I think part of the reason I win so consistently at Baccarat is that I BELIEVE in the runs, and have this uncanny sense of when a run is about to begin. Even if I knew nothing at all, and had no sense or intuition, if I lose a couple or max three times against a run, I will switch over to it. So, I MAKE money on the runs. I feel like a run is about to come "all the time" and the fact of the matter is, that almost all shoes have at least one good run in them, at least the shoes I play, do. (Keep in mind that a chop, player bank player bank player bank is also a run.)
I've noticed that many players bet against runs or get off the runs because they think it will stop. I never get off a run. I might decrease my bet at some point if I've cleaned up enough, but like as not, once I get to a certain point, "I'm GONE" will keep pressing because I no longer have anything to lose I'm so far ahead.
Another important element, I think, to my Baccarat winning, is that after I experience a run and clean up, I LEAVE. I don't just sit there thinking that more will necessarily come. I might go ahead and see if a parallel run will arrive (such as when I hit the 22 players followed by one bank followed by 26 players), but I won't sit there for the remainder of the shoe trying to make more money if it (meaning a run) doesn't happen again quickly. I have a sense for when "this is as good as it's going to get" and I color up my chips, and leave, done for that day.
I realize that standing behind a Baccarat table and looking at the board, it's easy to think "how could anyone make money at this game?" but the proof in the pudding is that I can, and do. The fact of the matter is, that there are two different types of Bacc. shoes that present themselves, some are random, with no pattern, and others follow a definite discernible pattern. The trick comes in realizing when you're playing a pattern shoe (and pressing your bet, and following the pattern), and when you're playing a random shoe (and reducing your bet, or leaving, or demanding a shuffle of a new deck).
Naturally compared to say BJ, if you're presented with a deck where the dealer busts over and over and you keep getting twenties, it's much easier to follow "that pattern" (which involves simply pressing your bet, to win), versus "following a Bacc. shoe pattern" (which involves picking the right side, to follow the pattern), but still, in both cases, it may be done, when the opportunity presents itself. Gambling comes down to realizing when you're winning (and pressing your bet) and when you're losing (and reducing your bet, or leaving). It sounds so simple ("Bet more when you're winning") but all the time, I see people high fiving and winning consistently, and sitting there with their minimum bets, while the same players are jumping their bets up like crazy at a time when the atmosphere is grim, and quiet, and the cards are running well against them.
Quote: MDawg
I think part of the reason I win so consistently at Baccarat is that I BELIEVE in the runs, and have this uncanny sense of when a run is about to begin.
it doesn't matter how many words you write
99% of the posters here are not going to believe you have a winning method of playing baccarat
but there's good news
99% of the posters at gamblingforums.com will believe you
and they will add other techniques to yours which they say will enable them to win even more even faster
BTW I see patterns too
at night the street lights create a shadow pattern on my bedroom walls
looks like ghosts from years gone by
I don't pretend to have any particular system that may be emulated. The dealers and other players who see me at the Bacc. tables told me back then, and tell me now, that "you're the only one we see winning here." Even the servers used to say that to me. Go to Vegas to the high limit Bacc. pits at Venetian and Bellagio, they STILL know me from my high rolling days of 15 years ago, and at Encore and Wynn and Cosmo, from my current mid-rolling days. I am known. I win, consistently. And I tip.
So you may go back to your belief that it is impossible to win at Bacc. or BJ; I win at both. Since you believe it is impossible to win, why do you even bother to gamble? You've lost before you've started. What are you doing on this Vegas forum? What are you doing in Vegas? Why do you even go to Vegas, if you go, that is.
Quote: MDawg
So you may go back to your belief that it is impossible to win at BJ
don't think you're qualified to lecture me on BJ
don't play any more - don't need or crave money anymore
when I was playing I played for 6 years one day every single week and on that day I played for about 14 hours straight
you're fantasizing that people who doubt you say there's no way to win?
nobody who knows anything about these things says that
there are ways to win that have nothing to do with "uncanny sense" or "intuition" or believing that patterns from the past will continue in the future
if you don't know this you're expounding on a subject you don't know much about
go ahead, write another 3 thousand words - you'll convince yourself for sure
Quote: lilredroostergo ahead, write another 3 thousand words
You don't write because you can't. That's no reason to put others down who can.
Anyway...I'm posting based on results - winning.
You're just defeatist talk. You don't win, you don't even claim to win. You've never been banned from a casino for winning at BJ as I have. You're just all talk, and do not play anymore at all. Keep talking and gainsaying, I suppose you think that we need all kinds here.
You never answered my Q about Vegas either. When was the last time you were there? let alone won.
I came to these forums because I started playing again last year. You quit years ago and keep posting on here about how to win, or rather, how not to win? I think I'd find better (or at least other) things to do with my time.
Quote: MDawg
you don't even claim to win.
You never answered my Q Vegas either. When was the last time you were there?
no point in claiming to win
thousands of people claiming to win on the internet
if I claimed I won would you then believe me?
I don't think so
if you want to think I lost - go ahead - I don't care - nobody else cares either
as far as going to Vegas - to repeat what I posted to you earlier
I don't play any more - I don't need or crave money any more
you want to think I'm a loser
go for it dude - I could really care less
Quote: MDawgStepping back from all this "cancellation" nonsense, I think part of the reason I win so consistently at Baccarat is that I BELIEVE in the runs, and have this uncanny sense of when a run is about to begin.
I love it. Belief and uncanny senses can go right in with hydration, curses, and hit-and-run among the things that matter most at winning in casinos
Quote: MDawgSorry I couldn't quite follow. So, in your run of 283 hands (which is somewhere between 3 and 4 Bacc. shoes), it was a Bank Player Baccarat presentation? I haven't played 100 million shoes but the best I have ever seen that I played at, where I really cleaned up (mid six figures), was 22 players followed by one bank followed by 26 players.
So you're saying, how many banks (or players) came in a row that doubling a dollar ended up getting to a two billion bet? I could do the factorial I suppose but just wanted to ask.
It wasn't Martingale, but D'Alembert, and I didn't base it off specific shoes but assumed a fixed probability of winning each hand.
Quote: ThatDonGuyIt wasn't Martingale, but D'Alembert, and I didn't base it off specific shoes but assumed a fixed probability of winning each hand.
Two observations.
Is there not some probability change due to effect of cards removed?
So not using shoes flaws your results.
About D’Alembert, what compensation would you make for the 5% commission, assuming always betting Banker?
and there's another guy who calls himself "Bago" who posts screenshots of fake sims showing his roulette system winning over a million dollars
and these 2 guys hate each other as they duel for the title of King of Phony roulette systems
much of the crowd there loves these 2 guys. they suck it up
Quote: ThatDonGuyI'll do better - I ran 100 million runs (i.e. play until you complete the sequence, 100 million times).
Using a $1 bet on player, there were 40 runs had a point where you were down at least 100 billion (that's billion with a B) dollars.
12 of those had a point where you were down one trillion dollars.
The largest deficit was 12.6 trillion dollars - and this does not take into account the additional trillions of dollars you need for your next bet.
Note that none of the runs needed more than 550 hands, so "not enough time" does not seem to be a problem.
Here is an example of a run that ended after 283 hands, with a total loss at one point of 8.4 billion dollars, with the next bet being almost 2 billion:
Bet Result Losses 2 W -2 2 W -4 1 L -3 2 L -1 3 L 2 4 L 6 5 L 11 6 W 5 5 L 10 6 W 4 6 L 10 8 L 18 10 L 28 12 W 16 11 L 27 14 L 41 17 L 58 20 L 78 23 W 55 21 L 76 25 W 51 23 L 74 29 W 45 25 W 20 25 L 45 36 L 81 47 L 128 58 L 186 69 L 255 80 L 335 91 L 426 102 L 528 113 W 415 105 W 310 105 L 415 130 L 545 155 L 700 180 W 520 166 L 686 202 L 888 238 L 1,126 274 L 1,400 310 W 1,090 285 W 805 260 L 1,065 318 L 1,383 376 L 1,759 434 L 2,193 492 L 2,685 550 L 3,235 608 W 2,627 561 L 3,188 630 L 3,818 699 W 3,119 641 W 2,478 597 L 3,075 702 W 2,373 622 L 2,995 752 L 3,747 882 W 2,865 788 W 2,077 694 L 2,771 896 L 3,667 1,098 L 4,765 1,300 L 6,065 1,502 W 4,563 1,358 L 5,921 1,618 W 4,303 1,416 L 5,719 1,734 L 7,453 2,052 L 9,505 2,370 L 11,875 2,688 L 14,563 3,006 L 17,569 3,324 L 20,893 3,642 W 17,251 3,382 W 13,869 3,122 L 16,991 3,556 W 13,435 3,180 L 16,615 3,672 L 20,287 4,164 L 24,451 4,656 L 29,107 5,148 L 34,255 5,640 W 28,615 5,350 L 33,965 6,044 W 27,921 5,552 W 22,369 5,262 W 17,107 5,088 L 22,195 6,504 L 28,699 7,920 W 20,779 6,822 L 27,601 8,556 L 36,157 10,290 W 25,867 8,874 W 16,993 7,458 W 9,535 6,360 L 15,895 9,048 L 24,943 11,736 L 36,679 14,424 L 51,103 17,112 L 68,215 19,800 W 48,415 17,604 L 66,019 20,784 L 86,803 23,964 L 110,767 27,144 L 137,911 30,324 L 168,235 33,504 W 134,731 30,816 L 165,547 34,488 L 200,035 38,160 W 161,875 37,176 W 124,699 36,192 L 160,891 45,240 L 206,131 54,288 L 260,419 63,336 W 197,083 56,976 L 254,059 68,712 L 322,771 80,448 L 403,219 92,184 L 495,403 103,920 L 599,323 115,656 W 483,667 106,608 L 590,275 121,032 W 469,243 109,788 L 579,031 127,392 L 706,423 144,996 W 561,427 130,572 L 691,999 151,356 L 843,355 172,140 L 1,015,495 192,924 L 1,208,419 213,708 W 994,711 196,104 L 1,190,815 220,068 W 970,747 199,284 W 771,463 187,548 L 959,011 223,740 L 1,182,751 259,932 W 922,819 232,788 L 1,155,607 278,028 L 1,433,635 323,268 W 1,110,367 289,764 W 820,603 256,260 W 564,343 231,804 L 796,147 312,252 L 1,108,399 392,700 L 1,501,099 473,148 W 1,027,951 404,436 W 623,515 341,592 L 965,107 451,380 L 1,416,487 561,168 L 1,977,655 670,956 L 2,648,611 780,744 L 3,429,355 890,532 L 4,319,887 1,000,320 W 3,319,567 911,316 W 2,408,251 822,312 L 3,230,563 973,668 L 4,204,231 1,125,024 W 3,079,207 1,054,116 L 4,133,323 1,285,920 L 5,419,243 1,517,724 L 6,936,967 1,749,528 W 5,187,439 1,627,512 L 6,814,951 1,969,104 W 4,845,847 1,737,300 L 6,583,147 2,188,680 L 8,771,827 2,640,060 L 11,411,887 3,091,440 W 8,320,447 2,749,848 W 5,570,599 2,408,256 W 3,162,343 2,108,232 L 5,270,575 2,930,544 L 8,201,119 3,752,856 W 4,448,263 3,162,348 L 7,610,611 4,216,464 L 11,827,075 5,270,580 L 17,097,655 6,324,696 L 23,422,351 7,378,812 L 30,801,163 8,432,928 L 39,234,091 9,487,044 L 48,721,135 10,541,160 L 59,262,295 11,595,276 L 70,857,571 12,649,392 L 83,506,963 13,703,508 W 69,803,455 12,881,196 L 82,684,651 14,167,116 L 96,851,767 15,453,036 L 112,304,803 16,738,956 L 129,043,759 18,024,876 L 147,068,635 19,310,796 L 166,379,431 20,596,716 W 145,782,715 20,133,108 L 165,915,823 22,241,340 L 188,157,163 24,349,572 W 163,807,591 23,295,456 L 187,103,047 26,457,804 L 213,560,851 29,620,152 W 183,940,699 27,511,920 L 211,452,619 31,728,384 L 243,181,003 35,944,848 L 279,125,851 40,161,312 L 319,287,163 44,377,776 L 363,664,939 48,594,240 L 412,259,179 52,810,704 L 465,069,883 57,027,168 L 522,097,051 61,243,632 W 460,853,419 58,081,284 L 518,934,703 63,351,864 L 582,286,567 68,622,444 L 650,909,011 73,893,024 W 577,015,987 69,676,560 W 507,339,427 65,460,096 W 441,879,331 61,243,632 W 380,635,699 58,081,284 W 322,554,415 54,918,936 L 377,473,351 65,460,096 L 442,933,447 76,001,256 W 366,932,191 66,514,212 L 433,446,403 78,109,488 L 511,555,891 89,704,764 W 421,851,127 79,395,408 W 342,455,719 69,086,052 L 411,541,771 83,253,168 L 494,794,939 97,420,284 W 397,374,655 84,539,088 W 312,835,567 71,657,892 L 384,493,459 88,396,848 L 472,890,307 105,135,804 W 367,754,503 89,682,768 W 278,071,735 75,052,044 L 353,123,779 95,185,152 L 448,308,931 115,318,260 W 332,990,671 98,347,500 L 431,338,171 121,642,956 L 552,981,127 144,938,412 L 697,919,539 168,233,868 W 529,685,671 149,154,876 W 380,530,795 130,075,884 W 250,454,911 110,996,892 L 361,451,803 146,941,740 L 508,393,543 182,886,588 L 691,280,131 218,831,436 L 910,111,567 254,776,284 L 1,164,887,851 290,721,132 L 1,455,608,983 326,665,980 L 1,782,274,963 362,610,828 W 1,419,664,135 330,882,444 L 1,750,546,579 371,043,756 L 2,121,590,335 411,205,068 W 1,710,385,267 375,260,220 L 2,085,645,487 419,637,996 W 1,666,007,491 385,801,380 L 2,051,808,871 440,720,316 L 2,492,529,187 495,639,252 L 2,988,168,439 550,558,188 L 3,538,726,627 605,477,124 W 2,933,249,503 570,691,296 W 2,362,558,207 551,717,208 L 2,914,275,415 662,714,100 L 3,576,989,515 773,710,992 W 2,803,278,523 698,658,948 W 2,104,619,575 623,606,904 L 2,728,226,479 806,493,492 L 3,534,719,971 989,380,080 L 4,524,100,051 1,172,266,668 L 5,696,366,719 1,355,153,256 L 7,051,519,975 1,538,039,844 W 5,513,480,131 1,391,098,104 L 6,904,578,235 1,609,929,540 W 5,294,648,695 1,427,042,952 L 6,721,691,647 1,681,819,236 L 8,403,510,883 1,936,595,520 W 6,466,915,363 1,717,764,084 L 8,184,679,447 2,008,485,216 W 6,176,194,231 1,757,925,396 L 7,934,119,627 2,088,807,840 W 5,845,311,787 1,812,844,332 L 7,658,156,119 2,198,645,712 W 5,459,510,407 1,867,763,268 W 3,591,747,139 1,795,873,572 W 1,795,873,567 1,795,873,572 W -5
Don (if you're still paying attention to this thread), just out of curiosity (and to give the OP a fair shake since anything system users say here can and will be used against them in a court of mathematics), how many of the 100 million runs ended with the sequence completed? His sequence is "5 5 5 5 5" which converts to "1 1 1 1 1" for your simulation. So the converted target he's shooting for is +5 units (or -5 losses). How many runs ended with that result?
Quote: Gialmere
Don (if you're still paying attention to this thread), just out of curiosity (and to give the OP a fair shake since anything system users say here can and will be used against them in a court of mathematics), how many of the 100 million runs ended with the sequence completed? His sequence is "5 5 5 5 5" which converts to "1 1 1 1 1" for your simulation. So the converted target he's shooting for is +5 units (or -5 losses). How many runs ended with that result?
All 100 million runs ended with the sequence completed, and the end result of a 5-unit gain.
It's like just about every other system - "eventually" it works every time, given an unlimited bankroll. Flat betting seems to be the main exception.
Quote: lilredroostergamblingforums.com is actually a pretty comical place. there's a guy there who calls himself "TurboGenius" who claims he has a 20% edge on roulette with his bet selections (nothing to do with a biased wheel).
and there's another guy who calls himself "Bago" who posts screenshots of fake sims showing his roulette system winning over a million dollars
and these 2 guys hate each other as they duel for the title of King of Phony roulette systems
much of the crowd there loves these 2 guys. they suck it up
If either of those 2 F’s could do 1/100th of what they claim, Roulette would not exist in a casino. And of course Math as we know it would no longer exist.
It’s a circle jerk of these 2 and their followers over there.
Logic is non existent.
