Class II slot machines

I've researched as much as I can about these things but there isn't much out there and my personal experience is not helping either.

Summary: Class II slot machines are found in Indian casinos (Class III is Vegas-style, or RNG). The reason why Class II exists is because originally, Indian casinos were only allowed to offer bingo, including electronic bingo. Modern Class II slot machines look and act just like an RNG slot machine.

At least two people must be playing in order for a Class II machine to run (one time I was unable to play because no one else was there). A bingo server draws a number about once a second. When you hit spin, the computer generates your bingo card and then it goes through all 23 possible winning patterns (22 normal patterns like T, corner spots, diamond, etc., and then this bizarre final 23rd one that a blackout in 75 balls wins a penny). A winning bingo pattern makes the reels stop at just the right spot so you win that much (no different than an RNG slot machine, just a different way of determining whether you win or lose). I read the help files on the machine but it doesn't explain everything. It doesn't explain how you get a red screen. Sometimes when you win, the screen turns red and the reels spin again, and when this happens, you always win something which is more than what you just won (i.e., not a regular free spin which can lose). I have never won a penny (that weird 23rd winning pattern). Probability of winning on a single payline is about 1 in 5 with the distribution of wins similar to an RNG machine, with lots of small wins and few large wins.

I've played these early in the morning when the casino is almost empty and at busy times to see if I can detect any pattern of advantage or disadvantage, and I can't tell. I've won when it's dead and lost when it's dead and I've won when it's busy and lost when it's busy.

Does anyone know if there is a player advantage or disadvantage to playing Class II slot machines when the casino is quiet or busy? Is the probability of winning exactly the same for bet 3 as it is for bet 1? (with the only difference being that the jackpot pays a bigger multiple of bet amt, similar to video poker)

I've designed some class II slots so know a fair bit about the regulations and how they are designed.

In general, the competitive element of a class II slot accounts for only about 1% of the return. It will generally go to whoever completes a certain pattern first. You could be competing with other players anywhere in the casino or even the world. The competitors may be playing on entirely different themed machines too.

The other 89%, or so, of the return comes from "consolation prizes," which are fixed prizes for fixed patterns.

It is that 1% of the competitive element that makes them legal.

In my opinion, if you're going to legalize slots, then just legalize them. Quit kidding yourself that class II slots are really bingo.

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I've designed some class II slots so know a fair bit about the regulations and how they are designed.

In general, the competitive element of a class II slot accounts for only about 1% of the return. It will generally go to whoever completes a certain pattern first. You could be competing with other players anywhere in the casino or even the world. The competitors may be playing on entirely different themed machines too.

The other 89%, or so, of the return comes from "consolation prizes," which are fixed prizes for fixed patterns.

It is that 1% of the competitive element that makes them legal.

In my opinion, if you're going to legalize slots, then just legalize them. Quit kidding yourself that class II slots are really bingo.

Hey Wizard, I hate to necro this thread, but I was wondering - how is the RTP calculated for class II bingo slots when you never know how many people are going to be competing for that prize? As you mentioned, it's a small portion (1%), but how is that 1% calculated, if it can be? And wouldn't a busy casino theoretically bring down the RTP of the machine? Is there some sort of universal assumption on the average numbers of players that might be in on a game or something?

Thanks so much!

Class II slot machines look and act just like an RNG slot machine. Does it similar to skill based gaming machine or slot machines?

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Class II slot machines look and act just like an RNG slot machine. Does it similar to skill based gaming machine or slot machines?

I would say they operate most similarly to Pace-O-Matic machines. Some other machines just, “Play,” the pre-seeded pool of spins over and over, whereas (from what I can tell from the patents) POM’s randomly select a result from the remaining pool of spins, kind of similarly to the Class II central server.

I also thought POM banks had a linked pool of spins, but that’s apparently not necessarily true is because I found two POMs in one location—one is out of $0.40/bet spins on a particular game and the other isn’t.

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I would say they operate most similarly to Pace-O-Matic machines. Some other machines just, “Play,” the pre-seeded pool of spins over and over, whereas (from what I can tell from the patents) POM’s randomly select a result from the remaining pool of spins, kind of similarly to the Class II central server.

I also thought POM banks had a linked pool of spins, but that’s apparently not necessarily true is because I found two POMs in one location—one is out of $0.40/bet spins on a particular game and the other isn’t.

I wouldn't say Class II slot machines operate like POMS. The results are actually completely random & based on a math model, just like traditional slots. The difference is that the randomness is not based on where the reels land, it's based on the outcome of the bingo draw. Making it play "like a slot" as a designer can be challenging because getting the desired volatility etc can be difficult to translate from traditional math models.

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I wouldn't say Class II slot machines operate like POMS. The results are actually completely random & based on a math model, just like traditional slots. The difference is that the randomness is not based on where the reels land, it's based on the outcome of the bingo draw. Making it play "like a slot" as a designer can be challenging because getting the desired volatility etc can be difficult to translate from traditional math models.

I agree with you, and that's actually kind of my point. The Class II slot machines randomly choose a result from the, "Pool," of remaining results in the central server and POM's do the same exact thing, according to their patent. The difference with POM is that the entire pool of results seems to be exclusive to an individual machine, (or maybe they can sometimes be linked) but either way, it's randomly chosen from the remaining results.

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Hey Wizard, I hate to necro this thread, but I was wondering - how is the RTP calculated for class II bingo slots when you never know how many people are going to be competing for that prize? As you mentioned, it's a small portion (1%), but how is that 1% calculated, if it can be? And wouldn't a busy casino theoretically bring down the RTP of the machine? Is there some sort of universal assumption on the average numbers of players that might be in on a game or something?

Thanks so much!

The way it tends to work is the game will group 2 or more players together who made a bet at nearly the same time, say within a second of each other. Then the first player to complete some particular pattern (in the fewest balls) will win a very small prize. I wish I could take it further, but that's about all I know. When I do a class II game, the game maker will somehow tack on a competitive element, I only get asked to do the "base game."

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I would say they operate most similarly to Pace-O-Matic machines. Some other machines just, “Play,” the pre-seeded pool of spins over and over, whereas (from what I can tell from the patents) POM’s randomly select a result from the remaining pool of spins, kind of similarly to the Class II central server.

I also thought POM banks had a linked pool of spins, but that’s apparently not necessarily true is because I found two POMs in one location—one is out of $0.40/bet spins on a particular game and the other isn’t.

The ones I have seen don't work like that. The outcome is based on a fair bingo card and ball draw. I'm not saying there isn't anywhere that does it the way you describe, but I think I can speak for California (when there were class II), Oklahoma, and New Mexico.

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I agree with you, and that's actually kind of my point. The Class II slot machines randomly choose a result from the, "Pool," of remaining results in the central server and POM's do the same exact thing, according to their patent. The difference with POM is that the entire pool of results seems to be exclusive to an individual machine, (or maybe they can sometimes be linked) but either way, it's randomly chosen from the remaining results.

Hmm, as far as I know, Class II (Bingo) slots are not selecting a result from a pool of remaining results or a pool at all. Class II bingo is legal because you are actually playing Bingo behind the scenes, so mechanically, it must actually operate exactly like live bingo.

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The way it tends to work is the game will group 2 or more players together who made a bet at nearly the same time, say within a second of each other. Then the first player to complete some particular pattern (in the fewest balls) will win a very small prize. I wish I could take it further, but that's about all I know. When I do a class II game, the game maker will somehow tack on a competitive element, I only get asked to do the "base game."

Thanks for your reply! Yeah, there's definitely a "game ending pattern" that has a tiny prize attached to it, I was just wondering how that could be calculated into the math, but I suppose if the small prize is accounted for, more players vying for it would only decrease the RTP a tiny amount, which I assume would be acceptable.

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The ones I have seen don't work like that. The outcome is based on a fair bingo card and ball draw. I'm not saying there isn't anywhere that does it the way you describe, but I think I can speak for California (when there were class II), Oklahoma, and New Mexico.

The ones that work that way often have a Bingo card somewhere on the screen. One example of a jurisdiction that has Class II games the way I describe is Washington State in the Tribal casinos.

Another difference with the ones that work from a central results pool is that you don't need multiple players to be playing.

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Hmm, as far as I know, Class II (Bingo) slots are not selecting a result from a pool of remaining results or a pool at all. Class II bingo is legal because you are actually playing Bingo behind the scenes, so mechanically, it must actually operate exactly like live bingo.

From:

https://www.wsgc.wa.gov/sites/default/files/public/searchable-compacts/cowlitz/6-2014%20Compact%20%28s%29.pdf

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SECTION 3. TRIBAL ELECTRONIC SCRATCH TICKET LOTTERY GAME
SYSTEM

3.1 Description of System Operation

3.1.1 The Tribal Lottery System game known as the Electronic Scratch Ticket
Game consists of a finite number of Electronic Scratch Tickets, a certain number of which, if
drawn, entitle a player to prize awards at various levels. The scratch tickets are designed from a
template in conformity with this Appendix and are created in Game Sets on a Manufacturing
Computer from which Scratch Tickets are randomly selected and placed into Scratch Ticket
Subsets. Each Game Set has a predetermined number of winners and values and is designed so as to assure players of an at least 75% payback of the amounts paid in the aggregate for all
Cowlitz Indian Tribe Appendix X2 Page 4 tickets in the Set. As a Game Set’s tickets are placed into Subsets, the pool of tickets available from that Game Set for placement into Subsets diminishes, until each ticket in the Game Set has been placed into a Subset.

3.1.2 Scratch Ticket Subsets are transmitted to the Central Computer, where
they are stored until dispensed electronically on demand to Player Terminals. Scratch Tickets
are electronically dispensed from the Central Computer in the order within each Subset in which
the tickets were received. Players compete against each other to draw winning tickets. As
Subsets are used they are replaced by additional Subsets which have been created and delivered to the Central Computer in the same manner, until the Game Set has been depleted, or pulled from play, ending that particular game. Different games based on different Game Sets may be offered simultaneously through the Central Computer.

So, roughly the same general concept, but you don't need multiple players. Pool of results, results delivered by central computer, result on screen (that looks like a slot machine) generally corresponds to results...mainly because it would just look weird if it didn't.

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From:

/sites/default/files/public/searchable-compacts/cowlitz/6-2014%20Compact%20%28s%29.pdf



So, roughly the same general concept, but you don't need multiple players. Pool of results, results delivered by central computer, result on screen (that looks like a slot machine) generally corresponds to inly because it would just look weird if it didn't.

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Yeah, I was specifically referring to Class II Bingo slots. There's plenty of those types of games out there that you described, but I don't think they are officially recognized as Class II. Electronic Pull Tabs, Electronic Scratch Tickets, Electronic Raffles and others all traditionally work off pools of some sort.

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Yeah, I was specifically referring to Class II Bingo slots. There's plenty of those types of games out there that you described, but I don't think they are officially recognized as Class II. Electronic Pull Tabs, Electronic Scratch Tickets, Electronic Raffles and others all traditionally work off pools of some sort.

I thought either type thing could be considered Class II. If not, then my understanding was wrong and I apologize for my error.

Wanted: help screen photos

I'm looking for some information I've seen on certain help screens for Class II games.

This is the type of information that will fascinate some, and bore others beyond tears.

I can say that these are on machines that do not change the bingo card with every spin.

If you're a Class II player, I'm interested to chat by PM.

I'm looking for some info on class 2 machines. Im making a video about them and i want to make sure its accurate. Did you mistype when you said typically 89% comes from consolation and 1% comes from the competitive element? Did you mean 99% and 1% ?

Does anyone know how many balls a player receives on each spin?? Is the game similar to a standard game of bingo with 75 numbers and each card has 25 spaces on it? When you are playing with other players, is it safe to assume that all the other players must be playing the same denomination game? If you bet higher on the slot machine, are you receiving more cards, or how does that work? Is there anything else anyone could tell me about the details of how these work?

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I'm looking for some info on class 2 machines. Im making a video about them and i want to make sure its accurate. Did you mistype when you said typically 89% comes from consolation and 1% comes from the competitive element? Did you mean 99% and 1% ?

Does anyone know how many balls a player receives on each spin?? Is the game similar to a standard game of bingo with 75 numbers and each card has 25 spaces on it? When you are playing with other players, is it safe to assume that all the other players must be playing the same denomination game? If you bet higher on the slot machine, are you receiving more cards, or how does that work? Is there anything else anyone could tell me about the details of how these work?
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There is a lot to unpack there.

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Does anyone know how many balls a player receives on each spin??

It depends. Some games draw to a win; some games draw a fixed number of balls, some games draw all balls but the value of the winning pattern changes based on the number of draws to cover. I've also seen 4 corners in 4 balls prizes, where 4 corners is not a game ending pattern otherwise. I'm sure there are more mechanisms.

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Is the game similar to a standard game of bingo with 75 numbers and each card has 25 spaces on it?

Yes. (Usually.)

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When you are playing with other players, is it safe to assume that all the other players must be playing the same denomination game?

No.

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If you bet higher on the slot machine, are you receiving more cards, or how does that work?

Usually I see 1 card per game. The value of the awards increase with the cost of the game.

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Is there anything else anyone could tell me about the details of how these work?

You may need to take a research trip to a Class II market and read a lot of help screens.
The AGS/CJ machines are wildly different from the VGT machines are wildly different from the LnW/SG/Bally machines, and there are other, newer players in the market with decidedly newer mechanisms.

Respectfully, it sounds like you're not ready to make a video on Class II just yet.

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I read the help files on the machine but it doesn't explain everything. It doesn't explain how you get a red screen. Sometimes when you win, the screen turns red and the reels spin again, and when this happens, you always win something which is more than what you just won (i.e., not a regular free spin which can lose).
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All the "red screen" games I have seen use this purely as a display mechanism for the awarded prize.
For example, a game end may be caused by covering a certain pattern in 9 balls drawn, with an award value of $75. (This is covered in the help screens.)
The "red screen" mechanism can be used to display the award as a $50 win followed by a $25 win.

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Respectfully, it sounds like you're not ready to make a video on Class II just yet.

Thanks for the help. No offense taken. This video is going to be very surface level stuff. I just want to make sure if i say something, its accurate. The video before it is literally going to be "how to get a players card and put money in to the machine and push the button." This video is about "how do slot machines work?...... There's two main types of slot machines in the US. Class 2 and class 3. Class 2 uses bingo, here's 30 seconds of talking about how that works.... But we're really going to focus on class 3 machines"

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It depends. Some games draw to a win; some games draw a fixed number of balls

if some games are are playing until someone wins, does that mean some games are going to payout better or worse depending on how many people are playing? I always thought that on these machines, you are mostly playing WITH other players and not AGAINST other players (other than the 1% of the payout that wizard mentioned.) The question im trying to answer is "does it matter how busy or not the casino is for how well the games are going to pay out?" Ive heard people say "you want to play class 2 machines when the casino is totally empty because on a busy Saturday night, you are playing against all of them and its going to make it really hard to win." Which i thought was a total myth

dont forget we also know about a (class 3 fully random) mechanism that allows a machine to generate results (more spins) in the background along with the current spin and if a better result is generated in the background then that result is shown instead of the "current result".

i dont doubt this could easily be transferred to a class 2 algorithm

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dont forget we also know about a (class 3 fully random) mechanism that allows a machine to generate results (more spins) in the background along with the current spin and if a better result is generated in the background then that result is shown instead of the "current result".

i dont doubt this could easily be transferred to a class 2 algorithm
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Really? What's the name of that slot? I've never heard of such a thing.

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Respectfully, it sounds like you're not ready to make a video on Class II just yet.

Thanks for the help. No offense taken. This video is going to be very surface level stuff. I just want to make sure if i say something, its accurate. The video before it is literally going to be "how to get a players card and put money in to the machine and push the button." This video is about "how do slot machines work?...... There's two main types of slot machines in the US. Class 2 and class 3. Class 2 uses bingo, here's 30 seconds of talking about how that works.... But we're really going to focus on class 3 machines"

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It depends. Some games draw to a win; some games draw a fixed number of balls

if some games are are playing until someone wins, does that mean some games are going to payout better or worse depending on how many people are playing? I always thought that on these machines, you are mostly playing WITH other players and not AGAINST other players (other than the 1% of the payout that wizard mentioned.) The question im trying to answer is "does it matter how busy or not the casino is for how well the games are going to pay out?" Ive heard people say "you want to play class 2 machines when the casino is totally empty because on a busy Saturday night, you are playing against all of them and its going to make it really hard to win." Which i thought was a total myth
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That's going to get into the gaming classes defined in IGRA. In a very general oversimplification, Class II is player vs player (with a house rake), and Class III is player vs house. (There is a Class I, but I don't think you'll find it at a casino.)

An important distinction: Class II and Class III only matter under tribal gaming jurisdiction. Nevada style slots may be offered under Class III. As I understand, bingo slots may not be offered under most non-tribal jurisdictions.

Not all Class II is bingo (Washington?). Not all VLT is Class II (see Racinos).

Yes, there are quorum rules. Without at least 6 simultaneous players, many games will fail to establish quorum, games will be cancelled, and initiating wagers returned. It is annoying. The upside - you can't lose if the game is cancelled for quorum.

Many people have their own theories on how busy the casino should be for maximum player luck. (Mine is based on hunches, so I'll keep it to myself.)

The value of a particular game ending pattern doesn't seem to change based on the number of players.

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Thanks for the help. No offense taken. This video is going to be very surface level stuff. I just want to make sure if i say something, its accurate. The video before it is literally going to be "how to get a players card and put money in to the machine and push the button." This video is about "how do slot machines work?...... There's two main types of slot machines in the US. Class 2 and class 3. Class 2 uses bingo, here's 30 seconds of talking about how that works.... But we're really going to focus on class 3 machines"

You may want to post your article here before you publish it so some of the experts can help clarify any of the finer points.

NY racinos do funky things.

Take Scarab. On the 10th spin the latent wilds switch positions. I assume that is due to the lottery style outcome.

So let's say you have first three columns latent scarabs on the 9th spin.

As soon as you spin the 10th, the wilds jump up and switch. You could wind up a guaranteed winner anywhere else being a total loser.

Wild, Wild, Wild, X, Z in AC on the tenth spin would be guaranteed a winner. The same spin in NY the symbols could switch to form X wild Z wild, wild.

The vulture strategy is not to check where the symbols are latent but how many fill the screen in NY racinos. Can't have two symbols switch to the same place so only guaranteed win is if so many are latent that when they switch they land in winning positions anyway Ala musical chairs.

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Yes, there are quorum rules. Without at least 6 simultaneous players, many games will fail to establish quorum, games will be cancelled, and initiating wagers returned. It is annoying. The upside - you can't lose if the game is cancelled for quorum.

Many people have their own theories on how busy the casino should be for maximum player luck. (Mine is based on hunches, so I'll keep it to myself.)

So can someone please explain why there needs to be other players? Is it competitive? If so, how? I've never understood this piece of the puzzle.

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Yes, there are quorum rules. Without at least 6 simultaneous players, many games will fail to establish quorum, games will be cancelled, and initiating wagers returned. It is annoying. The upside - you can't lose if the game is cancelled for quorum.

Many people have their own theories on how busy the casino should be for maximum player luck. (Mine is based on hunches, so I'll keep it to myself.)

So can someone please explain why there needs to be other players? Is it competitive? If so, how? I've never understood this piece of the puzzle.
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That's a really good question.

I know in traditional bingo, it's really hard to have two simultaneous bingos. I'm honestly not sure about bingo slots, since the bingo rules are just so "interesting".

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Yes, there are quorum rules. Without at least 6 simultaneous players, many games will fail to establish quorum, games will be cancelled, and initiating wagers returned. It is annoying. The upside - you can't lose if the game is cancelled for quorum.

Many people have their own theories on how busy the casino should be for maximum player luck. (Mine is based on hunches, so I'll keep it to myself.)

So can someone please explain why there needs to be other players? Is it competitive? If so, how? I've never understood this piece of the puzzle.
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The quick version:
Title 25, Section 2703(7) of the United States Code defines "Class II Gaming":

Quote: 25 USC 2703(7)

(A) The term “class II gaming” means—
(i) the game of chance commonly known as bingo (whether or not electronic, computer, or other technologic aids are used in connection therewith)—
(I) which is played for prizes, including monetary prizes, with cards bearing numbers or other designations,
(II) in which the holder of the card covers such numbers or designations when objects, similarly numbered or designated, are drawn or electronically determined, and
(III) in which the game is won by the first person covering a previously designated arrangement of numbers or designations on such cards, including (if played in the same location) pull-tabs, lotto, punch boards, tip jars, instant bingo, and other games similar to bingo,
and
(ii) card games that—
(I) are explicitly authorized by the laws of the State, or
(II) are not explicitly prohibited by the laws of the State and are played at any location in the State,
but only if such card games are played in conformity with those laws and regulations (if any) of the State regarding hours or periods of operation of such card games or limitations on wagers or pot sizes in such card games.
(B) The term “class II gaming” does not include—
(i) any banking card games, including baccarat, chemin de fer, or blackjack (21), or
(ii) electronic or electromechanical facsimiles of any game of chance or slot machines of any kind.

While they can't have "slot machines" in areas limited to Class II gaming, they can have things that look like slot machines, but are actually playing games of bingo. In order to play bingo, you need multiple players. One player wins; the others lose.

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dont forget we also know about a (class 3 fully random) mechanism that allows a machine to generate results (more spins) in the background along with the current spin and if a better result is generated in the background then that result is shown instead of the "current result".

i dont doubt this could easily be transferred to a class 2 algorithm
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Really? What's the name of that slot? I've never heard of such a thing.
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It’s not a slot itself but a mechanism used by slot machines and vp

is this the 1% were speaking about? the one penny thing? maybe imo

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A bingo server draws a number about once a second. When you hit spin, the computer generates your bingo card and then it goes through all 23 possible winning patterns (22 normal patterns like T, corner spots, diamond, etc., and then this bizarre final 23rd one that a blackout in 75 balls wins a penny).
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When I do a class II game, the game maker will somehow tack on a competitive element, I only get asked to do the "base game."
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It is that 1% of the competitive element that makes them legal.
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this whole thing is confusing me. Such a mess when they come up with all of these ways to skirt the law and each state is different. Would you guys could read my script on the class 2 portion and see if its accurate or if i could reword it to be more accurate?

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In this video, we are covering exactly how does a slot machine work. Thats not a super simple thing to answer because there are several different styles of slot machines in use in the united states. Namely class 2 machines and class 3 machines. Before the 1970’s all the slot machines were mechanical. The reels would spin around and then a hook would randomly come down and stop the reel. With the advent of video slot, slot machines are now just computers and they use a chip called a random number generator to provide their randomness. These are whats referred to as class 3 machines today. They are what's in Las Vegas and what most people think of when we talk about slot machines. We’ll come back to these in a minute but first let's first talk about class 2 machines. The class 3 vegas style slot machines were all there were when congress signed the indian gaming regulatory act. This was an agreement with indian tribes that said that all gambling would be split into 3 categories. Class 1 is things like prizes for drawings and giveaways. Class 2 are games that players play against each other such as bingo and poker. Class 3 games are pretty much anything that doesn’t fall under class 1 or class 2. That includes things like roulette, blackjack, and of course slot machines. So, what is a casino to do if they want to have slot machines, but they aren’t approved to have class 3 games? What game designers did was take a class 2 game, electronic bingo, and make it look and act like a slot machine. So, in some casinos, you walk in to play a slot machine and it looks and acts exactly like you are playing a real slot machine but you are actually playing electronic bingo. To most people, you would never even notice the difference, that you aren’t actually playing a “slot machine.” But if you read the game rules, it’ll explain all about the bingo game. Also, if you look around on the game cabinet, you can usually find a small screen, telling you what's going on with the bingo game; What balls have been called and how many you have matched. One question i always get is “are you actually playing against other players?” To some degree, because its part of the law, you will always be playing against other players. But some games its only in technicality. 99% of the payout could be a “consolation prize” and 1% could go to the winner between the players. When you push spin the machine, you will be given a new card with 25 spaces on it. Some games, you’ll be given a set number of balls, like 20 for example. Depending on how many balls you match, is what prize you will get. THen the reels will stop spinning to match what you won with your bingo balls. In these games, you are really only playing against other players as a technicality. In those games, players aren’t going to affect how many balls you match and should really have no effect on how lucky you are. In other games, its going to issue balls one at a time until one of the many players becomes the first one to be the winner. So, more players means you have a lower chance of winning. You really need to read the rules for each game you want to play and it should give some insight on how that particular game operates. One thing to know though, you really have no idea how many people you are playing with. You might be the only person in the casino, but you could be playing with other players on the other side of the state or even the other side of the country. You really have no idea.

Besides bingo class 2 machines there also a few other types of class 2 machines. Washington state uses machines based on lottery scratch offs and theres also machines in other parts of the country based on pull tabs. Keep in mind that while class 2 machines are mostly going to be found in casinos that aren’t able to have class 3 machines. Any casino that is able to have class 3 machines can also have class 2. There are casinos all over the country that have a mix of class 2 and class 3 in the same building.


But lets talk about class 3 machines, as thats really what i want to focus on…….

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Yes, there are quorum rules. Without at least 6 simultaneous players, many games will fail to establish quorum, games will be cancelled, and initiating wagers returned. It is annoying. The upside - you can't lose if the game is cancelled for quorum.

Many people have their own theories on how busy the casino should be for maximum player luck. (Mine is based on hunches, so I'll keep it to myself.)

So can someone please explain why there needs to be other players? Is it competitive? If so, how? I've never understood this piece of the puzzle.
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Because it is based off of bingo. Can you picture a Bingo game with only one player? That player would win every time.

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this whole thing is confusing me. Such a mess when they come up with all of these ways to skirt the law and each state is different. Would you guys could read my script on the class 2 portion and see if its accurate or if i could reword it to be more accurate?

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In this video, we are covering exactly how does a slot machine work. Thats not a super simple thing to answer because there are several different styles of slot machines in use in the united states. Namely class 2 machines and class 3 machines. Before the 1970’s all the slot machines were mechanical. The reels would spin around and then a hook would randomly come down and stop the reel. With the advent of video slot, slot machines are now just computers and they use a chip called a random number generator to provide their randomness. These are whats referred to as class 3 machines today. They are what's in Las Vegas and what most people think of when we talk about slot machines. We’ll come back to these in a minute but first let's first talk about class 2 machines. The class 3 vegas style slot machines were all there were when congress signed the indian gaming regulatory act. This was an agreement with indian tribes that said that all gambling would be split into 3 categories. Class 1 is things like prizes for drawings and giveaways. Class 2 are games that players play against each other such as bingo and poker. Class 3 games are pretty much anything that doesn’t fall under class 1 or class 2. That includes things like roulette, blackjack, and of course slot machines. So, what is a casino to do if they want to have slot machines, but they aren’t approved to have class 3 games? What game designers did was take a class 2 game, electronic bingo, and make it look and act like a slot machine. So, in some casinos, you walk in to play a slot machine and it looks and acts exactly like you are playing a real slot machine but you are actually playing electronic bingo. To most people, you would never even notice the difference, that you aren’t actually playing a “slot machine.” But if you read the game rules, it’ll explain all about the bingo game. Also, if you look around on the game cabinet, you can usually find a small screen, telling you what's going on with the bingo game; What balls have been called and how many you have matched. One question i always get is “are you actually playing against other players?” To some degree, because its part of the law, you will always be playing against other players. But some games its only in technicality. 99% of the payout could be a “consolation prize” and 1% could go to the winner between the players. When you push spin the machine, you will be given a new card with 25 spaces on it. Some games, you’ll be given a set number of balls, like 20 for example. Depending on how many balls you match, is what prize you will get. THen the reels will stop spinning to match what you won with your bingo balls. In these games, you are really only playing against other players as a technicality. In those games, players aren’t going to affect how many balls you match and should really have no effect on how lucky you are. In other games, its going to issue balls one at a time until one of the many players becomes the first one to be the winner. So, more players means you have a lower chance of winning. You really need to read the rules for each game you want to play and it should give some insight on how that particular game operates. One thing to know though, you really have no idea how many people you are playing with. You might be the only person in the casino, but you could be playing with other players on the other side of the state or even the other side of the country. You really have no idea.

Besides bingo class 2 machines there also a few other types of class 2 machines. Washington state uses machines based on lottery scratch offs and theres also machines in other parts of the country based on pull tabs. Keep in mind that while class 2 machines are mostly going to be found in casinos that aren’t able to have class 3 machines. Any casino that is able to have class 3 machines can also have class 2. There are casinos all over the country that have a mix of class 2 and class 3 in the same building.


But lets talk about class 3 machines, as thats really what i want to focus on…….

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That seems mostly right.
The amount of any win is determined by a bingo game, or a scratch card, or a pulltab... and then the reels are set to display that amount for the "entertainment portion of the game".

(If I'm mistaken, I'm hoping that someone will jump in with correction.)

Idk any more I’m too paranoid that one of these people in this thread are actually ai …. What a time to be alive

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Idk any more I’m too paranoid that one of these people in this thread are actually ai …. What a time to be alive
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If I'm an AI, I haven't become aware of it.
I can't speak for the others.

En tant que programme informatique, je n'ai pas de pensées, d'opinions ou de sentiments. Cependant, je suis conçu pour fournir des informations, répondre à des questions et assister avec diverses tâches en utilisant le langage naturel. L'intelligence artificielle (IA) est un domaine vaste et en constante évolution, avec des avantages potentiels dans de nombreux domaines tels que la médecine, la recherche, l'automatisation et la prise de décision.

L'opinion des gens sur l'IA varie en fonction de leurs expériences, de leurs préoccupations éthiques et de leurs points de vue sur l'impact de cette technologie sur la société. Certains soulignent les avantages potentiels, tandis que d'autres expriment des préoccupations concernant la confidentialité, la sécurité, et les implications éthiques de l'utilisation de l'IA. by chatgpt.

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En tant que programme informatique, je n'ai pas de pensées, d'opinions ou de sentiments. Cependant, je suis conçu pour fournir des informations, répondre à des questions et assister avec diverses tâches en utilisant le langage naturel. L'intelligence artificielle (IA) est un domaine vaste et en constante évolution, avec des avantages potentiels dans de nombreux domaines tels que la médecine, la recherche, l'automatisation et la prise de décision.

L'opinion des gens sur l'IA varie en fonction de leurs expériences, de leurs préoccupations éthiques et de leurs points de vue sur l'impact de cette technologie sur la société. Certains soulignent les avantages potentiels, tandis que d'autres expriment des préoccupations concernant la confidentialité, la sécurité, et les implications éthiques de l'utilisation de l'IA. by chatgpt.
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Well the first sentence is wrong because every statement is an opinion until you bring your phone out and prove it to me on the internet

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En tant que programme informatique, je n'ai pas de pensées, d'opinions ou de sentiments. Cependant, je suis conçu pour fournir des informations, répondre à des questions et assister avec diverses tâches en utilisant le langage naturel. L'intelligence artificielle (IA) est un domaine vaste et en constante évolution, avec des avantages potentiels dans de nombreux domaines tels que la médecine, la recherche, l'automatisation et la prise de décision.

L'opinion des gens sur l'IA varie en fonction de leurs expériences, de leurs préoccupations éthiques et de leurs points de vue sur l'impact de cette technologie sur la société. Certains soulignent les avantages potentiels, tandis que d'autres expriment des préoccupations concernant la confidentialité, la sécurité, et les implications éthiques de l'utilisation de l'IA. by chatgpt.
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Yeah... bots are banned.

heatmap’s summon AI powers are strong.