the law of series is only observation and not a law
September 28th, 2010 at 10:18:24 PM
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I start to mention i don´t play even money bets - but i admit it sure is fun to study it based upon how the distribution of the series and singles unfold them self.
Yes sure it also makes it more fun to apply math and probability to it wish give you some statistical samples - not significant - but at least some statistics.
Then how come i write about it - well i notice the line below -"All betting systems are worthless. However, for the mathematically challenged, here is a forum of your own" - ok thanks Wizard of odds.
Conclusion is what - stop doing what you doing and play random against random as nothing is due to happen no matter you play with or against some events.
Any bet based upon past results are just a trap or gamblers fallacy.
Well i am sure there is methods wish lose less then others no matter house edge as it exist ways to overcome it.
The real enemy is time and fluctuation wish destroy all methods in the long run.
Then one other thing is what the long run is and if you every with does placed bets you make during your life time will achieve to meet and get destroy by fluctuation.
I have no answer to this.
This is what i know with out make any claims having a positive expectation - would be a fool claim so - but sure could give the option for others to find out.
In many forums around Internet there is jokers and clowns that argue that they can out guess even money bets - wish is ridiculous nonsense.
I have actually never seen any one post real mathematical methods wish achieve this to a certain degree of success.
That just prove there is so little knowledge about even money bets - even there has been great work and studies about the subject in the past.
I just type this as i assume there is always one lost soul in a forum wish like me like to have roulette as hobby and just make some measuring and hove fun and enjoy the nature of the random distribution of 37 degree of freedom.
Have a nice day.
O_o
I start to mention i don´t play even money bets - but i admit it sure is fun to study it based upon how the distribution of the series and singles unfold them self.
Yes sure it also makes it more fun to apply math and probability to it wish give you some statistical samples - not significant - but at least some statistics.
Then how come i write about it - well i notice the line below -"All betting systems are worthless. However, for the mathematically challenged, here is a forum of your own" - ok thanks Wizard of odds.
Conclusion is what - stop doing what you doing and play random against random as nothing is due to happen no matter you play with or against some events.
Any bet based upon past results are just a trap or gamblers fallacy.
Well i am sure there is methods wish lose less then others no matter house edge as it exist ways to overcome it.
The real enemy is time and fluctuation wish destroy all methods in the long run.
Then one other thing is what the long run is and if you every with does placed bets you make during your life time will achieve to meet and get destroy by fluctuation.
I have no answer to this.
This is what i know with out make any claims having a positive expectation - would be a fool claim so - but sure could give the option for others to find out.
In many forums around Internet there is jokers and clowns that argue that they can out guess even money bets - wish is ridiculous nonsense.
I have actually never seen any one post real mathematical methods wish achieve this to a certain degree of success.
That just prove there is so little knowledge about even money bets - even there has been great work and studies about the subject in the past.
I just type this as i assume there is always one lost soul in a forum wish like me like to have roulette as hobby and just make some measuring and hove fun and enjoy the nature of the random distribution of 37 degree of freedom.
Have a nice day.
O_o
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
September 29th, 2010 at 12:12:19 AM
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Well i assume that we should mention some math before we talk about probability.
I also apoliges for my english wish is not the best :-)
Here is an simple chart that I did a long time ago with some values that you can use as reference.
STD
Lets assume we take series contra singels or singels contra series as it would be a coin flip 1/2 where series no matter lenght represent one side of the coin and singels represent the other side of the coin.
Then if we would observe 14 series with two singels present we would have STD at 3.0 and i will talk about it more later - at this moment i just want to mention how to caculate the imbalance.
First you have to get the Absolute STD when you calculate.
So lets assume you have an sequence with 14 series alternating with two singles present.
Then you take 14 - 2 = 12
Now we want to get the statistical std so we continue with...
14 + 2 = 16
Now we take the sqr of 16 = 4
And finally we divide the absolute ecart whit the sqr
12 sqr 4 = 3,00
The Statistical STD 3,00
The values is 1 for singles and 1 for series.
O_o
I also apoliges for my english wish is not the best :-)
Here is an simple chart that I did a long time ago with some values that you can use as reference.
STD
Lets assume we take series contra singels or singels contra series as it would be a coin flip 1/2 where series no matter lenght represent one side of the coin and singels represent the other side of the coin.
Then if we would observe 14 series with two singels present we would have STD at 3.0 and i will talk about it more later - at this moment i just want to mention how to caculate the imbalance.
First you have to get the Absolute STD when you calculate.
So lets assume you have an sequence with 14 series alternating with two singles present.
Then you take 14 - 2 = 12
Now we want to get the statistical std so we continue with...
14 + 2 = 16
Now we take the sqr of 16 = 4
And finally we divide the absolute ecart whit the sqr
12 sqr 4 = 3,00
The Statistical STD 3,00
The values is 1 for singles and 1 for series.
O_o
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
September 29th, 2010 at 12:27:45 AM
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What i read once in Monte Carlo they find a 5.33 wish is so rare that it belong to history books - well i assume as nothing is due wish does not matter regarding what i will speak about.
Wizard is welcome to waste hes time to tell others or my self that correction does not exist - if he would read this and argue - for me i notice that correction exist - but it is no different then try to capture any other events - some one could argue that waves of the distribution of the law of series is no different then you see black bet black or you see red bet red.
The difference is that this way at least let you flat betting with some degree of succes - and put a % on zero tax to make your bet safe - wish should only be with tabels that offer La Partage Rule - where you only lose half your bet on even money position.
Staking plan for Masse Ègale would be 7 units with any size - 10 100 1000.
When you reach +1 wish could be +70 or 7000 you lower your bets to 3 units.
This allow you to play twice to ride out what you capture for free with out losing your firt +1.
731 is the way you can end up with +1 or +11 minus your % wish you safe bet on zero tax.
I will illustrate this later with 10 000 trail sampels from random org so you get a clear understanding.
O_o
Wizard is welcome to waste hes time to tell others or my self that correction does not exist - if he would read this and argue - for me i notice that correction exist - but it is no different then try to capture any other events - some one could argue that waves of the distribution of the law of series is no different then you see black bet black or you see red bet red.
The difference is that this way at least let you flat betting with some degree of succes - and put a % on zero tax to make your bet safe - wish should only be with tabels that offer La Partage Rule - where you only lose half your bet on even money position.
Staking plan for Masse Ègale would be 7 units with any size - 10 100 1000.
When you reach +1 wish could be +70 or 7000 you lower your bets to 3 units.
This allow you to play twice to ride out what you capture for free with out losing your firt +1.
731 is the way you can end up with +1 or +11 minus your % wish you safe bet on zero tax.
I will illustrate this later with 10 000 trail sampels from random org so you get a clear understanding.
O_o
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
September 29th, 2010 at 12:49:36 AM
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I will not waste you time so now i will post one among many ways how to observe and apply math into the game of roulette and measuring imbalance.
We will at this moment just make things simpel and deal with singels contra series and collect as many waves we can where singels reach STD of 3.0 or above.
Before i speak of and write about option to profit from this we will take a closer look at what correction is and if it is part of the laws of nature or part of fallacy - we could simply say as noting is due it is a fallacy - then again as we dont play with or against it - that would make the state of mind making one huge error.
It is simpel as we know that correction will come and we can observe it over and over again no matter if you run 10 000 trails or 100 000 trails or 1 000 000 trails.
The issue is if you can capture it even knowing it will happen in the future using a specific playing model for a fact.
It is not woodo or having a cristal ball about the future - it is just that capture 1/3 or 1/4 of correction is not a simpel task - but at least you have based your game upon math and probability with your own statistics.
The waves of correction can come in many different combinations - as small hovering state of waves or lagre draw-downs or a mix of bouth.
So i don´t have the key to the final solution - but i do will show some ways how you can gain more succes flat betting then use any kind of progression playing even money bets.
O_o
We will at this moment just make things simpel and deal with singels contra series and collect as many waves we can where singels reach STD of 3.0 or above.
Before i speak of and write about option to profit from this we will take a closer look at what correction is and if it is part of the laws of nature or part of fallacy - we could simply say as noting is due it is a fallacy - then again as we dont play with or against it - that would make the state of mind making one huge error.
It is simpel as we know that correction will come and we can observe it over and over again no matter if you run 10 000 trails or 100 000 trails or 1 000 000 trails.
The issue is if you can capture it even knowing it will happen in the future using a specific playing model for a fact.
It is not woodo or having a cristal ball about the future - it is just that capture 1/3 or 1/4 of correction is not a simpel task - but at least you have based your game upon math and probability with your own statistics.
The waves of correction can come in many different combinations - as small hovering state of waves or lagre draw-downs or a mix of bouth.
So i don´t have the key to the final solution - but i do will show some ways how you can gain more succes flat betting then use any kind of progression playing even money bets.
O_o
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
September 29th, 2010 at 1:04:54 AM
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Insert music from 'Outer Limits' here.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 29th, 2010 at 1:07:45 AM
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Here is one simulation software for testing out singels contra series - it is safe and there is online virus check if you don´t sure if you want to download it.
If you want to follow this post and argue then i assume you should download this software as if not you don´t would have so much to bring to this conversation.
https://www.bredbandsbolaget.se/portlet-b2-serviceportal/storage/patrmell/övrigt/Simulation/
Just copy the link and put it into your browser.
Now i will start to show you all about imbalance and different state of the distribution.
O_o
If you want to follow this post and argue then i assume you should download this software as if not you don´t would have so much to bring to this conversation.
https://www.bredbandsbolaget.se/portlet-b2-serviceportal/storage/patrmell/övrigt/Simulation/
Just copy the link and put it into your browser.
Now i will start to show you all about imbalance and different state of the distribution.
O_o
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
September 29th, 2010 at 1:15:44 AM
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This is how the simulation sofware works.
You will have a folder with the softwarw and a icon with a E wish you click on.
Then a window will open that will be a software wish you can run.
There is a button that say load file - i recommend you pick sampels of random numbers from random org wish is 100% pure.
Put them into txt files and name them TRNG 20100923.
Then you load your file and click next once.
Then the simulation software will find the imbalance where singels reach 3.0 or above.
After that you can click on the spin button and follow the trails wish appers after a STD of 3.0 or above.
First i will show you what to look for and explain different state the distribution unfold it self with.
O_o
You will have a folder with the softwarw and a icon with a E wish you click on.
Then a window will open that will be a software wish you can run.
There is a button that say load file - i recommend you pick sampels of random numbers from random org wish is 100% pure.
Put them into txt files and name them TRNG 20100923.
Then you load your file and click next once.
Then the simulation software will find the imbalance where singels reach 3.0 or above.
After that you can click on the spin button and follow the trails wish appers after a STD of 3.0 or above.
First i will show you what to look for and explain different state the distribution unfold it self with.
O_o
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
September 29th, 2010 at 1:29:57 AM
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Rules.
One event is one single or one series.
To one sequence of imbalance to qualify with 3 std or above it has to appear with at least 16 events and at most 50 - less is better.
The playing model is to track and find with window of opportunity within the first 100 trails.
Where the rest of 200 is your window of opportunity.
Advance.
You can add rule that only allow 1 isolated series by it own being underrepresented with in the sequence of 3 std of singles or you can allow at most two series in a row being the underrepresented figure with in the sequence of 3 std of singles.
So we deal with overrepresented events and underrepresented events to observe imbalance.
This is the two different state you look for using the simulation software.
One event is one single or one series.
To one sequence of imbalance to qualify with 3 std or above it has to appear with at least 16 events and at most 50 - less is better.
The playing model is to track and find with window of opportunity within the first 100 trails.
Where the rest of 200 is your window of opportunity.
Advance.
You can add rule that only allow 1 isolated series by it own being underrepresented with in the sequence of 3 std of singles or you can allow at most two series in a row being the underrepresented figure with in the sequence of 3 std of singles.
So we deal with overrepresented events and underrepresented events to observe imbalance.
This is the two different state you look for using the simulation software.
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
September 29th, 2010 at 2:34:26 AM
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Quote: EvenBobInsert music from 'Outer Limits' here.
Sure is and it is fun so enjoy as i do :-)
EvenBOb there is no reason at all why one would write about visual ballistic at this forum - sure is fun when MR J even get some of the most protecting pepole to reveile things wish not should been mention at forums like this one.
So who cares about Outer Limits when it bring so much joy to fool around and have some fun :-)
O_o
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
September 29th, 2010 at 3:09:29 AM
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Here is a simpel exampel you can test to capture hovering state and state of draw-down.
Hovering would mean that series and singels are alternating and draw-down as oppiste effect to singels would be series to chop.
The first test to notice hovering state and chops of draw-downs is to try to achive +1 following this simpel march among others.
After a std of 3.0 you wait for one hovering state or two series to chop and make your first attack with two attempts to achive +1.
Below is some exampels using units of 100 value with the staking plan 731.
I assume there is no way at all to find one postive expection - it would be fiction as EvenBob try to make clear with is weird way of express him self with a poor line of words.
Now here is some more exampels.
The math is simpel - the gain of +1 has to overcome the amount of attempts - is not more complicated then that - but sure is impossibal to achive hehehe :-)
Well is not rare with a march to achive +1 - 50 times in a row - before first loss appers - i post that march later - i will just wait for some question and see if some one thinks this is fun.
The exampels above is using sequense where there is only isolated series present within a sequense/window wish reach 3 std.
Cheers
Hovering would mean that series and singels are alternating and draw-down as oppiste effect to singels would be series to chop.
The first test to notice hovering state and chops of draw-downs is to try to achive +1 following this simpel march among others.
After a std of 3.0 you wait for one hovering state or two series to chop and make your first attack with two attempts to achive +1.
Below is some exampels using units of 100 value with the staking plan 731.
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16 Place 700 fail -700
36 Place 700 win +0
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28 Place 700 win +700
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14 Place 300 win +1000
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13 Place 100 win +1100
I assume there is no way at all to find one postive expection - it would be fiction as EvenBob try to make clear with is weird way of express him self with a poor line of words.
Now here is some more exampels.
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R/B:Singles vs Series:SD=3.02:28 events
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35 Place 700 fail -700
25 Place 700 win +0
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29 Place 300 fail +400
29 Place 300 win +700
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28 Place 300 fail +400
26 Place 300 win +700
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29 Place 300 fail +400
3 Place 300 fail +100
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The math is simpel - the gain of +1 has to overcome the amount of attempts - is not more complicated then that - but sure is impossibal to achive hehehe :-)
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R/B:Singles vs Series:SD=3.00:16 events
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Well is not rare with a march to achive +1 - 50 times in a row - before first loss appers - i post that march later - i will just wait for some question and see if some one thinks this is fun.
The exampels above is using sequense where there is only isolated series present within a sequense/window wish reach 3 std.
Cheers
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
October 2nd, 2010 at 10:44:29 PM
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Here is a simpel march you can modify or just have some fun to get a feel about what has been mention above.
Simpel march 1.
Every attack is to bet twice.
There is a total of two attacks wish give us four attempts.
The math is simple that +1 unit has to overcome the amount of four attempts flat betting.
Units.
+1 +1 +8 +11 +8 +1 +11 +11 +11 +1 +1 +1 +8 +11 +8 +1 +1 +8 +8 +1 +11
Bankroll can be 28 units x 3 wish should put any one on the positive side of things.
Here is some short sampels.
R/B 20100731 R org
Simpel march 1.
Every attack is to bet twice.
There is a total of two attacks wish give us four attempts.
The math is simple that +1 unit has to overcome the amount of four attempts flat betting.
Units.
+1 +1 +8 +11 +8 +1 +11 +11 +11 +1 +1 +1 +8 +11 +8 +1 +1 +8 +8 +1 +11
Bankroll can be 28 units x 3 wish should put any one on the positive side of things.
Here is some short sampels.
R/B 20100731 R org
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AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
October 2nd, 2010 at 10:47:02 PM
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R +0 This sequense is wrong - feel free to test it and have fun :)
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
October 2nd, 2010 at 10:54:31 PM
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The amount is based upon 731.
Here is some more funny results +11 +11 +8 +11 +11 +11 +8 +11 +1 +1 +11 +11 +11 +1 +8 +1 +1 +8 +11 +1 +1 +11 +8 +1 +1 +11 +11 +1 +8 +11 +11 +11
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Here is some more funny results +11 +11 +8 +11 +11 +11 +8 +11 +1 +1 +11 +11 +11 +1 +8 +1 +1 +8 +11 +1 +1 +11 +8 +1 +1 +11 +11 +1 +8 +11 +11 +11
O_o
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
October 3rd, 2010 at 5:27:12 AM
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Unfortunately since English is not your native tongue it is not always easy to understand what you are saying. But the gist of your system is that at some point you are about to recommend a bet which, on average, will lose over 5% of your money per bet (assuming 0 and 00 wheel). You may enjoy your system, and it does have the advantage of skipping so many spins, thus on those skipped spins you are not betting, but it is just another system that will lose over the long run. If you have not read the Wizard's discussion on betting systems you might want to. Good luck...
October 3rd, 2010 at 5:47:29 AM
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Unfortunately since English is not your native tongue it is not always easy to understand what you are saying. But the gist of your system is that at some point you are about to recommend a bet which, on average, will lose over 5% of your money per bet (assuming 0 and 00 wheel). You may enjoy your system, and it does have the advantage of skipping so many spins, thus on those skipped spins you are not betting, but it is just another system that will lose over the long run. If you have not read the Wizard's discussion on betting systems you might want to. Good luck...
Thanks for the advice and is not my system - is the best that has been done regarding even money position and if zero strike you win as you deal with it - obvios you did not read it all.
As you aim for +1 with higher value chips and put % on zero tax it reduce the final gain -sure- the 731 is about lower your bets and futher more take walk as this is better then any play using progressions regarding EC ...
don´t need some one with poor understanding to prevent me from telling what has been done and about house edge or the long run - i know all about it and i also know you and others can not prevent me from continue with this post :-)
Show me any one wish can flat betting where the gain overcome the attempts doing so - that is a joke and here it is and there is more - sure there is no positve expectation when you win 50 sessions in a row flat betting and gain +1x50 vs 4 attempts.
A short run of 50 000 placed bets and the amount of zeros wish hit will show the true value behind it wish would be the minimum to see how it hold up.
I dont play roulette system - but sure it hurts when you see pepole play aginst 5 count using progression or FTL or DBL wish is just a joke - at least you have some window of probability and math to explore the even money postion this way.
And there is does who reach 2.5 and 3.0 STD flat betting this way - feel free to show the math and probability with any other method that temporary succed to do so - sure it is with short sampels - the only one wish would cut it would be Wizard or Laurance or any other with programming skills wish will show how it tank in the end.
I assume it would be a waste of time and effort - but i know some like to observe and test things and develop there own methods - so here is a free hint :-)
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
