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In craps: 1 hour = 15 shooters = 150 - 200 dice rolls

Much easier and quicker to use math and/or simulation.

How long would it take to prove a system doesn't work? It's already been proven that they don't work many, many times over. People have been trying for hundreds of years and they will be trying until the end of time.Quote:lovetosing2011I always read how betting systems cannot be profitable in the long run, how long do you think it would take to prove this to be true for the best of systems?

In craps: 1 hour = 15 shooters = 150 - 200 dice rolls

There's no such thing as the "best system", it's all just a matter of taste.

You should research gambler's falicy.

When you can show the math and it adds up to a positive number.Quote:lovetosing2011I guess I'm trying to figure out how long it takes before its safe to say it's not just luck anymore.

It's possible to get lucky for a very long time.

Quote:AxelWolfWhen you can show the math and it adds up to a positive number.

It's possible to get lucky for a very long time.

So how long is a long time?

When all the casinos ban you for wining to much to often.Quote:lovetosing2011So how long is a long time?

Quote:lovetosing2011So how long is a long time?

Depends on the variance, the way the system plays out, and the degree of certainty.

If you're unsure, do the math or run a sim. If you wanna know how many rounds to test for, I'd start at at least 500,000 rounds, and run the sim several times. If the results aren't strikingly obvious, then run 10B round sim.

I have a feeling he wants to test it in a casino?Quote:RSDepends on the variance, the way the system plays out, and the degree of certainty.

If you're unsure, do the math or run a sim. If you wanna know how many rounds to test for, I'd start at at least 500,000 rounds, and run the sim several times. If the results aren't strikingly obvious, then run 10B round sim.

Let's pretend that you thought a roulette wheel or dice were slightly biased. Then how many rolls or spins would you want before you were were 100% confidante it was?

Quote:RSDepends on the variance, the way the system plays out, and the degree of certainty.

If you're unsure, do the math or run a sim. If you wanna know how many rounds to test for, I'd start at at least 500,000 rounds, and run the sim several times. If the results aren't strikingly obvious, then run 10B round sim.

The math is super complicated...I need to talk to a statistician. And I would run a simulator, but I'm having trouble with the coding. Know anything about coding with WinCraps?