This has worked for me. Still in the process.
all the trouble of waiting for 5 in a row.
It makes not a whit of difference in a
random outcome game.
Quote: Dealer314.... One thing to add on top is I haven't heard of anybody trying this or ever seen someone try it. ....
I'm staying out of this thread for the most part, but this or something very like it has been suggested on here many times, both on bacc games and on roulette. Most of the bacc streak bettors gave up pushing their similar systems more than a year ago, but you'll see those discussions if you keep reading back, or google terms on this website.
I'm not a bac player, but it sounds like you could wait quite awhile sometimes before making a bet: what would the dealer say about someone sitting at the table but not betting for a long amount of time?
Heck, you claim to be a dealer: what would you and your PB say about it?
To put it in baccarat terms, the probability of the dealer winning after 8 dealer wins in a row is the same as the probability of the dealer winning after 8 player wins in a row - or any other set of 8 hand results, for that matter.
However, I would like a little clarification as to just what you are doing when your bet after a streak of 5 losses.
Suppose the banker wins 5 hands in a row (ignoring ties), so you bet on the player. The bank wins again, so you are down 1 unit; what is your next bet, and what do you do after that if (a) the bank wins, or (b) the player wins?
Quote: Dealer314Next step is waiting for 5 bankers or players in a row to hit. After you bet 1 unit on the opposing outcome and win then you wait again for another streak to hit. What we want to achieve is winning 4 units ($100) then we color up and leave. If this does not happen then the martingale play comes in hand. The probability of seeing a run of 8+ as I mentioned is very rare. I've seen 10+ only 4 times in my 2 years of dealing.
I recently saw 14 straight Player wins, 14 straight Banker wins, and then 17 straight Banker wins within three hours.
If you Martingaled 1,1,2,4,8... against any of those, starting on the sixth hand, you would be betting 256 units, or $6,400 on the fifteenth hand. To break even.
Would you actually make those bets?
Two years ago, I saw 22 straight Banker wins.
You would be Martingaling through 17 consecutive losing hands.
It's only a matter of time.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThis thread will not end well...
Should have ended after the original post. If you people would not respond to this nonsense, no one would waste the time to type up their pathetic system.
perception is 49% of the game. Reality is the other 51%Quote: IbeatyouracesThis thread will not end well...
It's close. Takes awhile to quantify your mistakes.
Quote: MrVScotblete has "the five count" for craps, which involves waiting for five particular types of dice rolls happening before betting.
I'm not a bac player, but it sounds like you could wait quite awhile sometimes before making a bet: what would the dealer say about someone sitting at the table but not betting for a long amount of time?
Heck, you claim to be a dealer: what would you and your PB say about it?
Bac players usually don't play every hand and there is always people that sit and watch. Unless it is high limit we cannot say anything. It's perfectly normal. I have stopped my 5 count and just started a 2 count as bac is unlike roulette and the law of large numbers won't apply. Roulette can hit 20 red in a row while bac makes it impossible to be very one sided.
Quote: ThatDonGuyAs I like to remind people: The probability of 10 reds in a row in roulette is the same as the probability of 9 reds in a row followed by a black.
To put it in baccarat terms, the probability of the dealer winning after 8 dealer wins in a row is the same as the probability of the dealer winning after 8 player wins in a row - or any other set of 8 hand results, for that matter.
However, I would like a little clarification as to just what you are doing when your bet after a streak of 5 losses.
Suppose the banker wins 5 hands in a row (ignoring ties), so you bet on the player. The bank wins again, so you are down 1 unit; what is your next bet, and what do you do after that if (a) the bank wins, or (b) the player wins?
Last night I decided to bet player or banker after a small run of 2. If I lose 1 unit I bet 2 then lose that 2 so I lost 3 total and then I'll bet 4. Let's say you want to walk away with $100 a day then go in the casino and bet black and attempt to only make 1 unit profit and leave. That's a $100 and don't be greedy it adds up. The probability of you running into a bad streak with just a couple minutes of play is extremely slim. Also don't chase to far if you lose 6 in a row you leave and try again next time but the odds of that happening is like I said before, your chances of getting hit by a car are probably greater. A lot of bash will bash and say this is impossible but I'm going to keep trying and I will keep updating everyone. I bet all the bashers and nay sayers won't have the balls to even try out any system and that's a wager I'm willing to make.
Since you are a dealer and deal in baccarat epecially no-commish Bac, how many deck of cards do you cut before dealing? Here in Vegas it is half to one deck depending on the mood of the dealer. In AC especially the Borg, they cut deep with two decks.
Quote: ThatDonGuy
To put it in baccarat terms, the probability of the dealer winning after 8 dealer wins in a row is the same as the probability of the dealer winning after 8 player wins in a row - or any other set of 8 hand results, for that matter.
I never heard the baccarat term "dealer."
How do I place a bet on the "dealer?"
Quote: Dealer314Last night I decided to bet player or banker after a small run of 2. If I lose 1 unit I bet 2 then lose that 2 so I lost 3 total and then I'll bet 4. Let's say you want to walk away with $100 a day then go in the casino and bet black and attempt to only make 1 unit profit and leave. That's a $100 and don't be greedy it adds up. The probability of you running into a bad streak with just a couple minutes of play is extremely slim. Also don't chase to far if you lose 6 in a row you leave and try again next time but the odds of that happening is like I said before, your chances of getting hit by a car are probably greater. A lot of bash will bash and say this is impossible but I'm going to keep trying and I will keep updating everyone. I bet all the bashers and nay sayers won't have the balls to even try out any system and that's a wager I'm willing to make.
Your system will not work, so at least have fun losing all your money.
Quote: DMSCRDealer314,
Since you are a dealer and deal in baccarat epecially no-commish Bac, how many deck of cards do you cut before dealing? Here in Vegas it is half to one deck depending on the mood of the dealer. In AC especially the Borg, they cut deep with two decks.
I think he means banker not dealer. We cut 15 cards off the back and each show has about 81-84 hands dealt. "Your system will not work, have fun losing all your money". Ok cool thanks I'll still keep the updates coming and prove you wrong.
You work at Sands Bethlehem?!?!?!?
That is an awesome deck cut. That shuffle produced some great outcomes. Too bad it is not prevalent anymore since the introductoin of the Dragon Bonus games.
Quote: DMSCRPennsylvania!!!!!
You work at Sands Bethlehem?!?!?!?
That is an awesome deck cut. That shuffle produced some great outcomes. Too bad it is not prevalent anymore since the introductoin of the Dragon Bonus games.
I actually work on the west coast :). Too bad I see everyone chase dragons and pandas then lose all their money lol.
Quote: RSYour system will not work, so at least have fun losing all your money.
The most successful people in Las Vegas are dealers.
They get health insurance (wait a minute)
They get a paycheck (minimum+tips tho)
They get to see everyone play the games with all sorts of systems, so they can see for themselves which ones actually work.
They must know how to deal the games they are playing so they get to learn for free.
Quote: djatcThe most successful people in Las Vegas are dealers.
They get health insurance (wait a minute)
They get a paycheck (minimum+tips tho)
They get to see everyone play the games with all sorts of systems, so they can see for themselves which ones actually work.
They must know how to deal the games they are playing so they get to learn for free.
Actually the "successful" people is the owner of the casino. Yet that is also up to question if they over leverage themselves or they are in a dire situation where they want to take on any game and then get beaten bad. Think Don Johnson and Phil Ivey.
I wouldn't say dealers. Honestly they have it the worst. All that second hand smoke, dealing with crappy attitudes with the majority of the patrons, body aches and pains because of constantly sitting down and the same movements for hours just to name a few. I mean if the dealers get a percentage of the losses then I say it would be worth it but not so.
So who is the successful one come the casino scene? The Player. Even though it is a very small number of them. They are able to figure things out, master their own psychology, keep their ego and greed in check and slip in and out without notice and make bank.
Quote: Dealer314Last night I decided to bet player or banker after a small run of 2. If I lose 1 unit I bet 2 then lose that 2 so I lost 3 total and then I'll bet 4. Let's say you want to walk away with $100 a day then go in the casino and bet black and attempt to only make 1 unit profit and leave. That's a $100 and don't be greedy it adds up. The probability of you running into a bad streak with just a couple minutes of play is extremely slim.
Nobody challenges that. The point is, when you do lose, the amount of your loss is significant compared to the amount you normally win. If you lose 4 in a row, that's $1500 you have lost.
Quote: Dealer314Also don't chase to far if you lose 6 in a row you leave and try again next time but the odds of that happening is like I said before, your chances of getting hit by a car are probably greater.
If you lose 6 in a row, you are down $6300. As for the odds of it happening, if you bet player, there is about a 1/59 chance of losing six in a row - and this is the same regardless of what the previous result, or 2, or 50, were.
It sounds like your strategy is:
(a) Wait until 5 non-tied hands in a row have the same result
(b) Bet $100 (or whatever your "unit" is) on the other result
(c) If you win, stop for the day
(d) If you lose, bet $200 the same way as you did in (b); if this bet wins, you are up $100 on the day, so quit
(e) If you keep losing, keep doubling the bet until you win (and leave with $100 profit on the day) or lose a certain number of bets in a row (two? four?) and walk away.
If this is incorrect, then please correct the mistakes.
Yes, you are winning now, which is not too surprising; if you are using a six-loss stop limit (i.e. stop after any win, or after six consecutive losses), there is a 50% chance that your first 40 days will all be winners. However, there is only about a 1/3 chance of winning 63 in a row before losing, which is what you need to do to prevent that first loss from being more than your run of wins put together. Just as this system is not guaranteed to make money, it is also not guaranteed to lose it, "but that's the way to bet."
Quote: DMSCRActually the "successful" people is the owner of the casino. Yet that is also up to question if they over leverage themselves or they are in a dire situation where they want to take on any game and then get beaten bad. Think Don Johnson and Phil Ivey.
I wouldn't say dealers. Honestly they have it the worst. All that second hand smoke, dealing with crappy attitudes with the majority of the patrons, body aches and pains because of constantly sitting down and the same movements for hours just to name a few. I mean if the dealers get a percentage of the losses then I say it would be worth it but not so.
Yes but they make TIPS! That adds up
Quote: Dealer314I actually work on the west coast :). Too bad I see everyone chase dragons and pandas then lose all their money lol.
I would really like to know what West Coast casino does that!!!! If you can please tell me that would be awesome. If not through PM maybe?
Quote: djatcYes but they make TIPS! That adds up
Then they develop possible respiratory disease and worse lung cancer.
https://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&safe=strict&biw=1440&bih=735&noj=1&q=lung+cancer+in+casino+workers&oq=lung+cancer+casino+&gs_l=serp.1.0.0i22i30l2.1442444.1447309.1.1449731.21.20.0.0.0.0.122.1322.16j2.18.0..2..0...1.1.64.serp..4.17.1213.FXW3a_lAf34
All that money they made goes to this???
The dealers in Macau yes because they recently ban smoking on the casino floor. But here in the US, no. Right now I am in Vegas and I at times have to suffer through that second hand smoke crap. If and once the East Coast get their full fledge casinos especially Wynn in Everett where they ban indoor smoke I am definitely moving back.
Quote: ThatDonGuyNobody challenges that. The point is, when you do lose, the amount of your loss is significant compared to the amount you normally win. If you lose 4 in a row, that's $1500 you have lost.
If you lose 6 in a row, you are down $6300. As for the odds of it happening, if you bet player, there is about a 1/59 chance of losing six in a row - and this is the same regardless of what the previous result, or 2, or 50, were.
It sounds like your strategy is:
(a) Wait until 5 non-tied hands in a row have the same result
(b) Bet $100 (or whatever your "unit" is) on the other result
(c) If you win, stop for the day
(d) If you lose, bet $200 the same way as you did in (b); if this bet wins, you are up $100 on the day, so quit
(e) If you keep losing, keep doubling the bet until you win (and leave with $100 profit on the day) or lose a certain number of bets in a row (two? four?) and walk away.
If this is incorrect, then please correct the mistakes.
Yes, you are winning now, which is not too surprising; if you are using a six-loss stop limit (i.e. stop after any win, or after six consecutive losses), there is a 50% chance that your first 40 days will all be winners. However, there is only about a 1/3 chance of winning 63 in a row before losing, which is what you need to do to prevent that first loss from being more than your run of wins put together. Just as this system is not guaranteed to make money, it is also not guaranteed to lose it, "but that's the way to bet."
First off thanks for not being judgmental and actually listening I do appreciate that. Second, this is a site where we share our ideas to find out if there is a way where we can win in the long run. I have propsed an idea and majority come in to bash only...this is a forum where we share our thoughts and expect a solid reply not a "nope won't work your dumb ". Ok what you are stating is correct. I will bankroll $1500. Lose 1 bet 2. Lose 2 bet 4. Lose 4 bet 8. Well if you lose again then you leave. I think keeping it at a 4 loss streak is a reasonable time to leave. Your goal is to win ONE $100 and and leave while betting $100 chips. Some people will say 100 a day isn't much. Well then try it and if it works consistently then move up to $500 lol. Also whenever I deal bacarrat I chose a random part in the shoe and say to myself in my head ok I just walked up to the table and started to bet let's see if I win. I run the scenario based on the outcome of the cards, obviously I can't gamble while I'm working so I'll just play it through in my head and it has yet to fail. To answer the other question almost all west coast casinos chop 15 cards from the back, some will do 1/3 of a deck I believe.
Baccarat or Roulette, makes little difference.
With your simple Marty, you will lose your entire wealth before doubling it about 1 time in 2.
On average, you are EXTREMELY LIKELY to be ahead before you lose your bankroll.
As to waiting till you see a few hands play out the same way, why not wait until you see 10 hands play one way, and then stake your ENTIRE worldly wealth. After all, you are extremely unlikely to see a streak of 11.
I'm being facetious, of course. After seeing that streak of 10, your odds of streaking a continuation into a streak of 11 is just about 50/50.
Your system is stupid. Play it big-time. Post your progress in a blog. Give us all a laugh.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/21359-debunking-roulette-marty-with-pictures/#post440934
Quote: OnceDear
Your system is stupid. Play it big-time. Post your progress in a blog. Give us all a laugh.
+1
Quote: OnceDearDealer314,
Baccarat or Roulette, makes little difference.
With your simple Marty, you will lose your entire wealth before doubling it about 1 time in 2.
On average, you are EXTREMELY LIKELY to be ahead before you lose your bankroll.
As to waiting till you see a few hands play out the same way, why not wait until you see 10 hands play one way, and then stake your ENTIRE worldly wealth. After all, you are extremely unlikely to see a streak of 11.
I'm being facetious, of course. After seeing that streak of 10, your odds of streaking a continuation into a streak of 11 is just about 50/50.
Your system is stupid. Play it big-time. Post your progress in a blog. Give us all a laugh.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/21359-debunking-roulette-marty-with-pictures/#post440934
Obviously if you know how to read you would have read about me saying I will stop after a loss of 4 in a row. Loss of 1500 ya big dummy
Quote: Dealer314Obviously if you know how to read you would have read about me saying I will stop after a loss of 4 in a row. Loss of 1500 ya big dummy
You'll stop FOREVER???
No. Methinks you will just reset and accept the small loss: Then progress to make a series of more tiny wins and small losses.
It won't help you. All you will do will be to take tiny steps forward and big steps backwards.
Do it mate! Blog it! Plot the graph! Make us laugh!
Note to Mods: I forgive the personal insult this time. Let the foolish be parted from their money.
Quote: Dealer314Obviously if you know how to read you would have read about me saying I will stop after a loss of 4 in a row. Loss of 1500 ya big dummy
Personal insult; 3 days. Insult the post, not the poster. There is a difference.
Edit: OnceDear posted as I did. Amending it to WARNING. Do Not Call People Names.
Quote: Dealer314Obviously if you know how to read you would have read about me saying I will stop after a loss of 4 in a row. Loss of 1500 ya big dummy
Don't listen to the haters. This guy didn't.
Quote: Dealer314. . . the law of large numbers won't apply. Roulette can hit 20 red in a row while bac makes it impossible to be very one sided.
Complete nonsense. Keep putting your money where your mouth is. Maybe you could discretely video it. I understand 'You've been framed' will pay £250 for such comedy gold. Maybe there's similar on TV in your country.
Quote: beachbumbabsPersonal insult; 3 days. Insult the post, not the poster. There is a difference.
Edit: OnceDear posted as I did. Amending it to WARNING. Do Not Call People Names.
Thx BBB.
I do hope the OP is going to stubbornly try to prove us wrong with his progress chart in a blog post..... Right up to the point of his bankroll's demise.
Quote: OnceDearThx BBB.
I do hope the OP is going to stubbornly try to prove us wrong with his progress chart in a blog post..... Right up to the point of his bankroll's demise.
Instead of bickering, why don't one of you challenge the other with a friendly contest in the casino to settle it. It might be an interesting event!
Quote: djatcDon't listen to the haters. This guy didn't.
Quit trying to sell your darn system djatc (pronounced deejatsee).
Quote: RSHow many steps do you use in your strategy? Like, what's the most amount of losses in a row you'll bet before you give up?
I'll take 4 loses than stop.
Quote: GWAESo if you spend 1 hour every day in the casino and make 36k In year, why not just spend 12 hours a day for 36 days and take the next 11 months off? Your exposure would be the same.
Because when you play for a extended period of time in one session you can come across a bad run more likely. If u go in there and play negative progression on ONE hand to have the outcome become a profit of $100 then as I mentioned many times that the probabilities of you catching a bad run is like getting hit by a car. All you need is to win 1/4 hands and you will be up then leave.
Quote: Dealer314Because when you play for a extended period of time in one session you can come across a bad run more likely.
So playing for 12 hours in one day is an extended period of time, but playing for one hour per day for 12 days isn't?
