FleaStiff
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May 30th, 2018 at 4:25:44 PM permalink
Quote: MisterMan

It's a challenge with one's self, so it doesn't make much sense to have money on the line.

Any challenge that does NOT have money on the line doesn't make much sense.

And please remember that Greek magician's assistant who later became a professor of statistics at Stanford: he found the recording errors made by his graduate students were more of a problem that any "dice setting or crooked dice" effect.
odiousgambit
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May 30th, 2018 at 4:31:14 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Any challenge that does NOT have money on the line doesn't make much sense.

Agree.

I'm all for being polite, but when somebody won't 'put their money where their mouth is ' then, well, damnit, we all get to go 'boo, hiss' quite impolitely says me!
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AxelWolf
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May 30th, 2018 at 4:33:48 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Thank you for the quick polite offer. I live around Buffalo, NY, and although you haven't mentioned where you live, I doubt it is nearby. If you are in Vegas, I am not sure when I'll next be out there. If you are near me, or plan on visiting Niagara Falls this summer, let me know!

You are going to sit(stand) there and roll/watch hundreds of rolls, just for the hell of it?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 30th, 2018 at 4:53:16 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You are going to sit(stand) there and roll/watch hundreds of rolls, just for the hell of it?



He stares at sleeping, drooling people and computer monitors for a living. It would probably be a welcome change. :)
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
WatchMeWin
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May 30th, 2018 at 7:25:53 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If there's enough money in the challenge I can set up a private table here in LV.

Anyone who has this ability should be rolling in money. A 2k ++ challenge shouldn't mean a thing.

You can invite WMW to the party for a challenge as well.



I never said I believe in dice setting.... actually I cant stand when people take time setting dice . But Id love to make some side bets with you and take your money!
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MisterMan
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May 31st, 2018 at 8:47:51 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Thank you for the quick polite offer. I live around Buffalo, NY, and although you haven't mentioned where you live, I doubt it is nearby. If you are in Vegas, I am not sure when I'll next be out there. If you are near me, or plan on visiting Niagara Falls this summer, let me know!



I'm in western Canada. Hoping to make another trip to Vegas in August. Nothing planned officially yet though. Generally head down at least twice a year.
MisterMan
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May 31st, 2018 at 9:07:36 AM permalink
Quote: RS

This is why I don't believe any of this "dice setting" stuff. You started off on the right track -- pick a set, make a bunch of tosses, record results. Then do it again, again, and again. This would be the proper way to practice and confirm* whether dice setting works or doesn't work.

Then that all went to waste when you started talking about using a betting system. Why would you use a betting system? If you can alter the dice probabilities enough to gain an advantage, you shouldn't be using a betting system.



"Gaining an advantage" does not mean guaranteed no 7's ever. This is a ridiculous question. You utilize a betting strategy to maximize profits, period. Why WOULDN'T you use a betting system no matter what the dice probabilities were? Even the guys that are highly skilled DC's, still utilize a strategy. Like full pressing for 6 rolls, then your 7th roll wins your original bet back, and every roll there after is stacked up and making good profit until you 7 out.

Quote: RS

Questions:

- Have you done what you mentioned above, where you do thousands of rolls and record the outcomes?

- If so, how many rolls do you have recorded? Over those recorded rolls, what percentage are 2's, 3's, 4's...10's, 11's, and 12's (each)?



I go by my daily play. If I'm setting, I can virtually always count on 3 win rolls. If I'm just randomly tossing, it is just massive inconsistencies. It'll be honeymoon, 3 rolls, 15 rolls, honeymoon, just all over the map. Consistency is all I'm after at this point, it allows me to use a betting system to be consistently profitable.

Once I get my table set up, I will most certainly be spending hours a day throwing a recording results.
MisterMan
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May 31st, 2018 at 9:12:16 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Any challenge that does NOT have money on the line doesn't make much sense.



If you say so. I've got no interest in dick measuring with some surly guys off a gambling forum. My interest is making consistent money. You're all free to believe whatever you please. The thread was about betting systems, and I shared exactly that, which works regardless of any dice setting as I mentioned.
Zcore13
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May 31st, 2018 at 9:30:30 AM permalink
Quote: MisterMan

"Gaining an advantage" does not mean guaranteed no 7's ever. This is a ridiculous question. You utilize a betting strategy to maximize profits, period.


What is ridiculous is thinking any betting strategy maximizes profits more than maximizes losses at times. Betting strategy has no affect on the house edge.

Quote: MisterMan

Even the guys that are highly skilled DC's, still utilize a strategy.


No such thing.

Quote: MisterMan

I go by my daily play. If I'm setting, I can virtually always count on 3 win rolls. If I'm just randomly tossing, it is just massive inconsistencies.


Sorry, but there would be no difference if you tracked in detail every throw both ways. The mind plays tricks on you when you believe something is true.

Quote: MisterMan

It allows me to use a betting system to be consistently profitable.


Wrong.

Quote: MisterMan

Once I get my table set up, I will most certainly be spending hours a day throwing a recording results.


That should be an eye opener for you.



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TomG
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May 31st, 2018 at 9:40:57 AM permalink
Quote: MisterMan

If I'm setting, I can virtually always count on 3 win rolls.



Just saying something doesn't make it true. And what you're saying here is very clearly untrue

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