Bacarat or roulette? Martingale or something else? Need to break even
Would it be bette to play bacarat or roulette
B1 R1 and green 1 unit always losing 1 until green hits for 17-1 at 18th pull increase to 2units on green until 8th pull more then go to three, 5th pull go up 4, 4th pull, go up 5. 3 pulls so it 37 pulls green should have it or i might be in sh8t and also in for less then hundred right?
If i do bacarat
Bank 1 player 1 tie 1, for 8 hands, then 2 units on tie for 4 hands, 3 units on 2 hands ? So 14 hands to hit a tie or be in for $30?
So which one will see me hit my tie or green first? So i can break even??
Sorry thanks.
Be warned; I have seen Coinstar machines in casinos, and they have a hold of something like 9%. Actually, whenever I go to Vegas, I usually take some rolls of coins to cash them in at the cage; I have yet to have anybody charge any sort of fee for this.
Seriously, what do you mean by, "I need to break even"? Should I assume that you are behind? If so, by how much?
Martingale is flawed that you run out of money...
I want to play either roullete or bacarat but bet the most possible, lose the least amount possible..
If i bet roulette every number i'll be out 2 units everytime.. But no way of getting them back...
If i bet just red or dealer i'll have to keep chasing...
I want to bet black and red and dealer and banker and win lose nothing bet 2 get 2 lose 2...
But the house created "the edge" so now i have to bet tie or greens(0 00) to "beat" the house, but i dont want to beat the house, i just want to break even..
So if i did martingale on the zeros or on the tie what would/should have the best result in hitting and allowing me to go back to even?
Quote: Madmax508The system is fuaranteed to work if you break even...
Is this system dependent on comps 'just for playing' More play: More comps?
I think you'll find that the house edge will always be more than enough to cost you more than the comps that you can get.
Quote: Madmax508So if i did martingale on the zeros or on the tie what would/should have the best result in hitting and allowing me to go back to even?
Neither. Either way will lose money, every round.
If you're betting player and banker at the same time, you are losing the banker commissions... every (other) round. (If it's a no commission baccarat, you still lose, but it's not every round, and it's by 1 unit at a time, instead of 5% of a unit at a time.)
If you're betting the ties in baccarat, expect the tie bets to lose 90% of the time.
If you're playing a red/black/green hedge on roulette, expect to lose about 5% of the total in play, every round.
If you're down, and you're trying to come back to even, the wisest play is to stop right now. Stopping makes your expectation closest to even, at least.
If you insist on playing, your goal should be to place a bet that will win. A convoluted betting strategy with cancellation bets will just expose more money to the house edge.
I have no suggestion on how to predict winners in advance. That wouldn't be gambling.
Quote: Madmax508The system is guaranteed to work if you break even...
You should probably double check this, because it doesn't make any sense at all...
If you are for real, and someone has convinced you a betting system can work, your first step into the world of reality is to know that other players and dealers are absolutely the worst possible source of information on how to gamble... absolutely the worst. And about the only way you would be hearing this nonsense, other than having no sense of what to believe browsing the internet.
If you prove not to be somebody putting us on, this conversation might continue.
Quote: odiousgambitknow that other players and dealers are absolutely the worst possible source of information on how to gamble
... except for some of the people here. We might have your back.
Quote: OnceDearIs this system dependent on comps 'just for playing' More play: More comps?
I think you'll find that the house edge will always be more than enough to cost you more than the comps that you can get.
Thanks everyone for helping..
Exactly ! video roulette or baccarat, $100 play through gets you $5**!
I mean if you had the balls and bank roll, on th enclosed auto wheel, bet $1000 on every number and pray green doesnt hit, you break even. Bet 36000 "win" 36000(breaking even) and just made $1800 cashback.
This method you are trying to avoid the 2 numbers.. But instead of this pray and dodge method.
Could you play martingale trying to chase and hit to break even. Either the tie or roullete greens?
**some casinos have even better play through and player levels which will make this even better.
PS. I mention this because someone made a youtube video on "minimizing on slot play," where by getting the player card your loses go down a fraction of a point.
Quote: Madmax508I need to break even..
Would it be bette to play bacarat or roulette
B1 R1 and green 1 unit always losing 1 until green hits for 17-1 at 18th pull increase to 2units on green until 8th pull more then go to three, 5th pull go up 4, 4th pull, go up 5. 3 pulls so it 37 pulls green should have it or i might be in sh8t and also in for less then hundred right?
If i do bacarat
Bank 1 player 1 tie 1, for 8 hands, then 2 units on tie for 4 hands, 3 units on 2 hands ? So 14 hands to hit a tie or be in for $30?
So which one will see me hit my tie or green first? So i can break even??
Sorry thanks.
Why bet red/black/green when red/black will just come out to be a push. Your only real bet here is the green. Why not just bet the zero split 1 unit then? So you're betting the green split, to me it is entirely worthless to add 2 more bets that are red/black. Actually you're just losing more money by adding those 2 because when green hits you get your 17-1, but you then lose 2 units to red/black. You NEVER make money from red/black.
Same thing with your baccarat idea... Why not just bet the tie every turn and skip the player/banker bets? It's even worse in baccarat because of the house commission.
Not being rude, just honest, these both seem like horrible strategies.
Quote: Madmax508Thanks everyone for helping..
Exactly ! video roulette or baccarat, $100 play through gets you $5..
I mean if you had the balls and bank roll, on th enclosed auto wheel, bet $1000 on every number and pray green doesnt hit, you break even. Bet 36000 "win" 36000(breaking even) and just made $1800 cashback.
This method you are trying to avoid the 2 numbers.. But instead of this pray and dodge method.
Could you play martingale trying to chase and hit to break even. Either the tie or roullete greens?
So even with this idea let's do some math...
36/38 = EVEN + 1800 cash back.... EV = +1705.26
2/38 = lose 36000.... EV = -1894.74
Total EV, per roll of the ball = -189.48
You're underestimating how much those greens are going to kill you in the long run, even with the 1800 cash back.
Continuous or one time ?Quote: Madmax508Exactly ! video roulette or baccarat, $100 play through gets you $5..
If its unlimited that would be 5% in comps, thats fairly strong and unlikely.(but possible)
If we are talking about a 1 time new members thing or something. It's not worth worrying about, just flat bet baccarat.
unlimited cash back 5%? you're probably mistaken.
Quote: RomesWhy bet red/black/green when red/black will just come out to be a push. Your only real bet here is the green. Why not just bet the zero split 1 unit then? So you're betting the green split, to me it is entirely worthless to add 2 more bets that are red/black. Actually you're just losing more money by adding those 2 because when green hits you get your 17-1, but you then lose 2 units to red/black. You NEVER make money from red/black.
Same thing with your baccarat idea... Why not just bet the tie every turn and skip the player/banker bets? It's even worse in baccarat because of the house commission.
Not being rude, just honest, these both seem like horrible strategies.
Thanks for reply, the "point" of red black is to increase your play through...
You want to break even.. But play the most dollars, have least loses. Even if you lost $1 for every 100$ played your cashback will still be +4
Quote: Madmax508Exactly ! video roulette or baccarat, $100 play through gets you $5**!
Do they offer video poker? Does it qualify?
"Video roulette"... is this a FOBT?
Doubtful I have never heard off 5% cash back.Quote: odiousgambitis this some thing an online casino is offering?
If there's truly a %5 cash back situation obviously Roulette or Baccarat is dumb. Unless this is NY or something that doesn't have class 3 machines or better options.
Sounds like hes under funded and not to knowledgeable.
I would pay him cash assuming they actually had class 3 with other options. Even a horrible IGT BJ machine would do.
Quote: Madmax508
Exactly ! video roulette or baccarat, $100 play through gets you $5**!
Aren't you over-thinking things? I mean, if video bacc really pays back 5%, you don't actually need to break even. The house edge is barely 1%. Just cover all 3 bets and win a net of 4% without having to worry about bankroll or a martingale or luck on a roulette wheel.
Is this a one-day thing? or is it very highly limited? Are you sure you have the rules right? There are ways to make money in a casino, but what you're describing is too easy to be right.
Quote: AxelWolfContinuous or one time ?
If its unlimited that would be 5% in comps, thats fairly strong and unlikely.(but possible)
If we are talking about a 1 time new members thing or something. It's not worth worrying about, just flat bet baccarat.
unlimited cash back 5%? you're probably mistaken.
Mistaken.
Sh8t.. Sorry yeah 0.5% cashback .. $5 on $1000 play through...
Less appetizing...
But theoretically could you chase to break even in any video table top to play indefinitely to have comps/cashback cover you?
Or bad proposition?
If they had 9/6 job or something better (doubtful) What class of machines? This obviously isn't Vegas or AC.Quote: Madmax508Mistaken.
Sh8t.. Sorry yeah 0.5% cashback .. $5 on $1000 play through...
Less appetizing...
But theoretically could you chase to break even in any video table top to play indefinitely to have comps/cashback cover you?
Or bad proposition?
Even 1/2 percent cash back is rare.
Quote: Madmax508I need to break even..
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Craps dark side. Very very slight casino edge.
If it is limited to baccarat and roulette, go with baccarat, especially if bets that end up being pushes (on ties) qualify for the cashback.
Here is what you are expected to lose on each bet, after the cashback is taken into account:
Betting on the banker in baccarat: you will lose 1.116 for every 200 bet
Betting on the player in baccarat: you will lose 1.47 for every 200 bet
Pretty much any bet in roulette: you will lose 9.526 for every 200 bet
Quote: Madmax508Sorry yeah 0.5% cashback .. $5 on $1000 play through...
I only get 0.2%, plus mailers.
Don't play it for the cashback. Don't even think about playing it for the cashback. In order to play it for cashback profitably you need to find a 99.8%+ machine. Roulette is not it. Baccarat is not it. Video blackjack is almost surely not it. A very few video poker machines might be it. Also remember that in order to make the modest wage of $20/hour, you'll need to run $4000/hour in coin-in, while maintaining 100% RTP. (To at least break even, you'd need to be holding at least 99.8% RTP - any less and you're losing money.) $4000/hour coin in is a 25c 3 line video poker machine, one hand every 3 seconds (... which is actually $4500/hr).
If you can run it on a double, triple, 5x, or 10x points day, then it becomes attractive.
If you want to play an (almost) breakeven game to bump up your tier credits, that's worth thinking about.
It's almost as if the casinos have thought about people trying to do what you propose, and have intentionally made it somewhat difficult.
Quote: DieterI only get 0.2%, plus mailers.
Don't play it for the cashback. Don't even think about playing it for the cashback. In order to play it for cashback profitably you need to find a 99.8%+ machine. Roulette is not it. Baccarat is not it. Video blackjack is almost surely not it. A very few video poker machines might be it. Also remember that in order to make the modest wage of $20/hour, you'll need to run $4000/hour in coin-in, while maintaining 100% RTP. (To at least break even, you'd need to be holding at least 99.8% RTP - any less and you're losing money.) $4000/hour coin in is a 25c 3 line video poker machine, one hand every 3 seconds (... which is actually $4500/hr).
If you can run it on a double, triple, 5x, or 10x points day, then it becomes attractive.
If you want to play an (almost) breakeven game to bump up your tier credits, that's worth thinking about.
It's almost as if the casinos have thought about people trying to do what you propose, and have intentionally made it somewhat difficult.
Excellent reply
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Thanks everyone
