Just another roulette flawed strategy?

I have read a guy claiming a slight advantage system...saying bet red and the second column of 12 OR bet Black and the third column of 12....can someone explain and also tell me the house advantage...I note there is an inequality of red to black in those final two columns...await with interest.

the house edge doesnt change

assuming you bet $1 on each bet.

you win $3 if it comes up your color in your column.
you win $1 if it comes up your column but not your color.
you push if it comes up your color but not your column.
you lose $2 if it doesnt come up your column or your color.

its $3*(8/38) + $1*(4/38) - $2*(16/38)

you lose 10.53cents on your overall $2 bet.

which is $2 x 5.26% (the house edge)

The house edge on all roulette bets is 2/38, or 5.26%, except for one bet. The exception is the 0-00-1-2-3 combination, which carries a house edge of 3/38=7.89%.

Everything else is meaningless.


I maintain the only mistake that people make in roulette is they try and minimize variance by betting colors or columns or odds and evens. You are paying a high house advantage for a 1:1 or 2:1 payout. You can get the same payouts in craps at much less house edge.

In roulette you should vary between the following five bets or some combination of them. You get the advantage of high variance, or the possibility of rapid wins (or losses) at less house edge than you pay in craps or slot machines.

2 Rows (returns 6 for 1)
Corner
Row
Split
Single Number (returns 36 for 1)

Those thrills you get for hitting 80:1 or 400:1 in slots are costing you a lot of money. Roulette is a good way to get some reasonable thrills without paying so much for them.

Read the strategy again.

He probably glosses over the fact that in the second and third scenario in RudeBoyoi's analysis, that one of the bets is lost.

Let me re-phrase RudeBoyoi's analysis:

A - You win $3.
B - You win $2, and lose $1 for a net win of $1.
C - You win $1, and lose $1 for a net push.
D - You lose for a net loss of $2.

I bet the 'system' only says:

A - You win $3.
B - You win $2.
C - You win $1.
D - You lose.

This is what the system outlines......is it right or wrong??

The Roulette table has a slight flaw which provides the player with a utility value in playing this method.

The Columns each contain twelve numbers, one third of the field not counting the zero and double zero.

The 1st Column has an equal number of Red and Black numbers, but the 2nd Column has 4 Red and 8 Black, while the 3rd Column has 4 Black and 8 Red numbers.

Red and Black each account for 18 of the 36 Roulette numbers besides zero and double zero, odds are roughly 50/50 one or the other will hit each spin.

Decide for the game play session to play either Red or Black. If you bet Red, also bet an equal amount on the 2nd Column. If you bet Black, also bet an equal amount on the 3rd Column.

Whether you bet Red and the 2nd Column or Black and the 3rd Column, you are covering 18 plus 8 for a total of 26 numbers out of 38 at the cost of only two units. That's covering 18 of a color plus 8 of the other color and doubling up the coverage on 4.

When only the correct Color comes up, the bet returns even money so you get the spin for free. When only the Column comes up you make one unit profit. When the Color and the Column come up you make three units profit.

No matter how you slice it, you lose when it comes up green. THAT'S the house advantage.

If you played that system (or any system) on a table with no zeros, over the long haul, you'd come up even.

But is there not some merrit in his analysis of covering more numbers in this combination??

red, odd, and 1st 12

or

black, even, and 1st 12

is similar to this

$4(5/38) + $2(2/38) + $1(5/38) - $3(7/38) - $1(14/38)

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But is there not some merrit in his analysis of covering more numbers in this combination??

No.

Can someone outline the numbers on this?

Quote: steverobertson

Can someone outline the numbers on this?

already did.

its $3*(8/38) + $1*(4/38) - $2*(16/38)

ok then....another system thats no good...is there anything that works that can make me a trickle of mooney???anything??? please let me know..cheers..Steve

Quote: steverobertson

ok then....another system thats no good...is there anything that works that can make me a trickle of mooney???anything??? please let me know..cheers..Steve

betting systems ONLY work on positive expectation games.

You need to either find an advantage play, or find way to cheat at roulette.

Unless you're stealing money off the table I doubt you're going to make money roulette.

Albert Einstein once said, "The only way to beat Roulette is to steal the money when the croupier is not looking."

You think you can figure it out better than Einstein???

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Albert Einstein once said, "The only way to beat Roulette is to steal the money when the croupier is not looking."

You think you can figure it out better than Einstein???

Well, you can also do cheats like past-posting, etc.. But you need to do something illegal to beat roulette for the most part.

Quote: steverobertson

ok then....another system thats no good...is there anything that works that can make me a trickle of mooney???anything??? please let me know..cheers..Steve

Learn how to play poker really well, and then find some weak players and win their money. That's the only advantage you are going to find in a casino unless you are stealing and/or cheating...in which case you may as well try bank robbing.

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Learn how to play poker really well, and then find some weak players and win their money. That's the only advantage you are going to find in a casino unless you are stealing and/or cheating...in which case you may as well try bank robbing.

theres lots of other advantages that dont involve cheating you can find in the casino besides poker. you just have to know where to look. most poker players arent competent enough to actually win at poker and their theoretical loss per hour including the rake or time is higher than if they had been playing in the pits.

Lots of them? The only ones I know of are effective counting in a good BJ game, 3-card where the dealer is showing and a postive return on a VP machine.

I still think a conservative, tight poker play is the best chance for someone to make some $$ in a casino, given that you can find a loose table....I have played a lot of poker against casual players who don't seem to even know what they are doing. Sure, it takes some time and effort to learn and play well, but so do any of the other advantage plays.

coupons and casino promotions are ways to gain an advantage that are easy to understand. with all the casinos in the area, theres almost always some promotion going on that you can take advantage of. try to get on the mailing list for each casino in the area and youre bound to get something in the mail. to keep these mailers coming you have to give them play. also i mentioned in another thread about how for all the strip casinos, i have them send mailers to an address in another state. for all the local casinos, i use my nevada address.

now how do you give them play without giving anything up?

you take advantage of errors dealers make. whether its exposing cards, forgetting to take down losing wagers, paying losing wagers, overpaying winning wagers, pushing on wagers that should have lost, paying on wagers that should have pushed.

its like playing poker, but instead of targeting weak players, you are targeting weak dealers. during the course of play, study your dealers to see what mistakes they make and figure out a way how to best exploit those mistakes. whether its what bets you should make, what position you should be in, how to position your bets, when to place your bets, how to place your cards, how you should act or react.

so travel around a lot using your coupons or taking advantage of some promotion going on, remember which dealers make what mistakes and play against them.