Martin1024
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May 20th, 2014 at 1:21:07 PM permalink
Hello everyone In new to this forum, my name is Martin and I work as a dealer in one of my local casinos.
Everyday I watch people lose all of their money playing roulette, even if they have good wining streaks the end up loosing everything or leaving before the inevitable happens.

So I came with a conclusion that the only way to try to at least leave the table a winner is to win big and f ast and run away from the table as fast as you can.

While working I devised a strategy (not a system) to be able to do that, and it consists on betting only one number.
Here is the simple very simple math:

At my casino the minimum for inside bets are 5 dollars, so let's use that for this example.

If you bet $5 the pay out would be $175, so you would need $175 buy in.
Now you have 35 spins to hit your number, the sooner you hit it the more profit you get.

Hit on the first try = $175 profit
Hit on second try = $170 profit
""""""" third"""""= $165 profit

Hit on the 35 spin and you break even and can start over. So basically you can make your money last and still being able to get good profit. Yes you have to be lucky for that single number to hit, but you also have to be very unlucky for it to never show.

Now as this is a game of pure luck and say the number did not show up in those 35 spins you have to options, you either go home or you double your bet.
Using the same pattern you now but in additional 350 dlls and bet 10 dlls per spin, this gives you another 17 spins, the sooner the more profit you get, and you basically have until the 52nd spin with the chance to break even.

So you can play for a long time with good chance of taking profits or breaking even and enjoyed your time.
I don't believe any system can beat the game but at least a good strategy can help you enjoy it.
What do you think?
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May 20th, 2014 at 1:40:05 PM permalink
This has the exact same house edge as every other bet in roulette so it makes no difference in terms of EV. This strategy would work out the same as if you had just bet $5 on black every time.
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May 20th, 2014 at 1:42:11 PM permalink
Quote: Martin1024

Hello everyone In new to this forum, my name is Martin and I work as a dealer in one of my local casinos.
Everyday I watch people lose all of their money playing roulette, even if they have good wining streaks the end up loosing everything or leaving before the inevitable happens.

So I came with a conclusion that the only way to try to at least leave the table a winner is to win big and f ast and run away from the table as fast as you can.

While working I devised a strategy (not a system) to be able to do that, and it consists on betting only one number.
Here is the simple very simple math:

At my casino the minimum for inside bets are 5 dollars, so let's use that for this example.

If you bet $5 the pay out would be $175, so you would need $175 buy in.
Now you have 35 spins to hit your number, the sooner you hit it the more profit you get.

Hit on the first try = $175 profit
Hit on second try = $170 profit
""""""" third"""""= $165 profit

Hit on the 35 spin and you break even and can start over. So basically you can make your money last and still being able to get good profit. Yes you have to be lucky for that single number to hit, but you also have to be very unlucky for it to never show.

Now as this is a game of pure luck and say the number did not show up in those 35 spins you have to options, you either go home or you double your bet.
Using the same pattern you now but in additional 350 dlls and bet 10 dlls per spin, this gives you another 17 spins, the sooner the more profit you get, and you basically have until the 52nd spin with the chance to break even.

So you can play for a long time with good chance of taking profits or breaking even and enjoyed your time.
I don't believe any system can beat the game but at least a good strategy can help you enjoy it.
What do you think?

If you enjoy losing 5% its a wonderful system. Not sure how enjoyable it would be if you hit on the first number then go home. not sure how enjoyable it would be if you play all day and never hit your number and go home losing.

I would suggest using that money to find and play something that is at least break even while earning some comps(not hard).

Wouldn't it be nice to add up everything at the end of the year, find out you had fun, broke even and got all the perks for free? Then estimate what you should have lost on roulette, buy yourself something you like and then enjoy. Or you can Just play roulette and add up all your losses.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 20th, 2014 at 1:52:07 PM permalink
Could u maybe explain this not hard break even in my comps thread please!!
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May 20th, 2014 at 1:53:00 PM permalink
I'm not saying you can beat the game, the house edge is horrible. That's why I said this is not a system its a strategy, I have done this won on the second spin then take my profits and go play blackjack. This is a game of pure luck and I think it's better to just hit and run instead of scrambling 10-15 chips randomly and lose it all in less than 10 minutes.
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May 20th, 2014 at 1:54:56 PM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

Could u maybe explain this not hard break even in my comps thread please!!

I was not referring to Roulette. I was referring to BJ or VP. What you are looking for is very hard to find.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 20th, 2014 at 2:04:14 PM permalink
missing 35 in a row is about 40% chance.
the other 60% of the time your average profit will be $62

If you are flat betting, you are correct that single number bets are virtually the only way to not guarantee losing money in roulette even in a relatively short time.
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May 20th, 2014 at 2:06:10 PM permalink
I know I meant the easy way to break even not roulette related lol. Im going to be ordering and learning the bj card count system. Maybe you were the one that told me about it cant remember.
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May 20th, 2014 at 2:10:09 PM permalink
Correct me if im wrong. Math is my weak attribute. If you are going to flat bet a number wouldn't it make sense to also flat bet a color so half the time you break even
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May 20th, 2014 at 2:34:23 PM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

Correct me if im wrong. Math is my weak attribute. If you are going to flat bet a number wouldn't it make sense to also flat bet a color so half the time you break even



Every wager has a house edge, so the more wagers you place the greater your chance of loss.

The strategy in the OP will work less often than it fails, as with all bets at the roulette wheel.

I can enjoy roulette, but I don't have any delusions about being a winner in the long term.
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May 20th, 2014 at 2:49:45 PM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

I know I meant the easy way to break even not roulette related lol. Im going to be ordering and learning the bj card count system. Maybe you were the one that told me about it cant remember.

VP and slots can also make money. However you want some easy sure fire way to do this on table games. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Or every system player would be doing it.

I'm not saying its not ever possible, but no one is going to tell you, they would be foolish to do so.

Not wanting to learn to count cards or learn VP sound lazy. Your attitude and coment towards doing that is very telling. This is the best way to start learning and could lead to learning other possibilities. The way you are thinking is fine but You are on the wrong track because this is next to impossible.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 20th, 2014 at 2:59:14 PM permalink
I would like very much to learn video poker and VP strategy.....for me all ive ever played is roulette. This is all new to me...
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May 20th, 2014 at 3:05:26 PM permalink
Before I moved here, when I visited, I would always play three numbers that are meaningful to me 12 times ... 3 numbers / spin * 12 spins = 36 numbers played. I would quit as soon as one hit, if it hit.

If I'm doing the math correctly, then I had a (35/38)^12 = 37% chance of busting; that is, of losing those 12 particular bets.

This "feels" a little weird as 36 numbers played leading to a 63% chance of not-busting seems counterintuitive ... 36 / 38 = 95%, don't I have a 95% chance of no-busting?

Well, no. I think the OP is falling victim to that same fallacy. Instead of 3 * 12 = 36, he's doing 1 * 35 = 35. Using the same algorithm ...

1 - (37/38)^35 = 61% chance of not-busting, which "feels" weird because 35 / 38 = 92%.

Math geeks, feel free to correct my math. Needless to say, as soon as I did this math, I stopped doing this, even for fun. Math makes things not-fun. Stupid math.
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May 20th, 2014 at 3:21:48 PM permalink
what casino has a $5 minimum for roulette. are you on fremont st? lol
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May 20th, 2014 at 3:48:27 PM permalink
I would rather play 7 tables @$25 each or 35 tables @$5. It's not like you can't still play craps or BJ. If you want a big multiple, nothing wrong with roulette besides the house edge. I would not want to choose just one table because if it's biased, you get hurt and biased for you, you don't benefit even if luck cooperates because your plan is to bolt immediately. Numbers do expect to be streaky anyways like others have said, so losing will happen sometimes and you have to be ready to lose all your bets.
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May 20th, 2014 at 3:58:32 PM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

what casino has a $5 minimum for roulette. are you on fremont st? lol



Not that hard to find on the strip during the week. Maybe not at Caesar's or Cosmo, but Flamingo & The Quad for certain and I expect the Excalibur and Casino Royale to have $5 roulette, among others.

Saturday night? Probably a lot harder to find.
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May 20th, 2014 at 3:59:25 PM permalink
Quote: TerribleTom

Not that hard to find on the strip during the week. Maybe not at Caesar's or Cosmo, but Flamingo & The Quad for certain and I expect the Excalibur and Casino Royale to have $5 roulette, among others.

Saturday night? Probably a lot harder to find.



wish AC had it...i mean the rapid roulette is 3 but no live dealer tables less than 10
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May 20th, 2014 at 4:02:37 PM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

wish AC had it...i mean the rapid roulette is 3 but no live dealer tables less than 10



In January at the Flamingo they had some kind of digital roulette with a live dealer - one dealer, one wheel, a dozen or so betting stations. You could not see other players' bets but the minimum was $3 and you could put as little as $0.50 on any spot - inside or out. I played it for a while with the wife - she loves roulette - and made a little money by placing 10 $0.50 wagers on the last ten numbers on the board. It's all luck, but I turned $20 into $70+ and a few free drinks.
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May 20th, 2014 at 4:13:17 PM permalink
Are these mechanical roulette wheels considered slot machines thereby generating paperwork or are they considered tables?
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May 20th, 2014 at 4:15:18 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Are these mechanical roulette wheels considered slot machines thereby generating paperwork or are they considered tables?



Not certain, but I suspect the line in that sand is the live dealer.

Digital wager with human dealer = table game.

100% digital = slot machine.
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May 20th, 2014 at 4:18:44 PM permalink
Quote: Martin1024

I'm not saying you can beat the game, the house edge is horrible. That's why I said this is not a system its a strategy, I have done this won on the second spin then take my profits and go play blackjack. This is a game of pure luck and I think it's better to just hit and run instead of scrambling 10-15 chips randomly and lose it all in less than 10 minutes.



You could just START with blackjack and forget this roulette nonsense(but for your job sake, I hope others play it)
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May 20th, 2014 at 6:10:49 PM permalink
Quote: Martin1024

Hit on the 35 spin and you break even and can start over. So basically you can make your money last and still being able to get good profit. Yes you have to be lucky for that single number to hit, but you also have to be very unlucky for it to never show.

Now as this is a game of pure luck and say the number did not show up in those 35 spins you have to options, you either go home or you double your bet.
Using the same pattern you now but in additional 350 dlls and bet 10 dlls per spin, this gives you another 17 spins, the sooner the more profit you get, and you basically have until the 52nd spin with the chance to break even.


Not as unlucky as you think. You will lose 52 straight single-number bets 25% (well, 24.98864%) of the time, and when you do, you are down $345 (35 x $5 plus 17 x $10).

What now - make 17 $20 bets? 63.5% of the time, you will lose that $340 as well, so slightly more than 1/7 of the time, you end up losing $685, and remember that a lot of your bets would have ended with you winning much, much less than that.
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March 20th, 2019 at 10:33:44 PM permalink
Martin,

I have played roulette for 28 years and have always played a section of the wheel. (Mainly the numbers surrounding 32 red). 20 years ago when the wheels had deep pockets, dealers would stay in a section and repeaters were often and I had great success. With the new John Huxley wheels the ball is all over the place. The last year I have been doing as you described playing just one number..(very difficult when I have played a section for all those years) I can tell you it has been successful, but it’s not for the BJ or black/red roulette player. You have to be patient and have deep pockets. I play 1 number with $25 straight up. The first time I tried it,it took 33 spins to hit my number ($825 down, paid $875 and tipped the dealer $25= up $25) two spins later I hit again (in my pocket-$25 but win $875, so up $825 after $25 tip to dealer) then 8 spins later I hit again and walk away up $1475 after $25 tip. It’s not for the faint of heart, but with the ball all over the wheel, it’s will hit if you have semi deep pockets.

I’ve seen black hit 19 in a row because the ball has no memory. The martingale strategy is the quickest way to losing your money fast.

Roulette is a game where you can go down big but a few hits and your up. BJ is as fun as watching paint dry and hard to get back once your down.

There is a book called “playing roulette as a business”, by RL Smart. (a roulette dealer). Its a boring way to make $40-$60 an hour, but it works. This book is great for black/red players or players that play the end rows and bounce bets on the three rows or 3/12 sections.

Last week in a casino across the border I hit my number on the 4th, 9th and 17th spin and left a winner up $2125. (Including $75 to the dealer)

The house makes money on roulette, it’s the worst odds in the house. But..............if you pick a number and don’t chase the wheel, you can win!!!!

Always remember , gambling is for entertainment purposes only.

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March 20th, 2019 at 11:48:18 PM permalink
Quote: Bartman

......if you pick a number and don’t chase the wheel, you can win!!!!



You can also lose. It's not unusual for
single numbers to sleep for hundreds
of spins. They sleep all the time for
75-150. Had a dealer in Vegas tell
both zeros on his wheel slept for 3 days,
they kept track. The figured it was
over 1200 spins where the ball
ignored both zero pockets.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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March 21st, 2019 at 7:16:03 AM permalink
Even Bob,

I agree..............

When I played sections of the wheel, a few years ago the pockets were deep and the ball would stay in an area and not bounce all over the place. There were times many several numbers didn't hit for a long period of time. But dealers would tend to stay in an area for quite a few spins, and you just hoped it was in your area.

The new wheels are designed to have the ball run around the wheel 1-3 times after it lands. (And if it is hitting in your section, pitboss comes over and makes the dealer change balls)

This is what I know and have seen, not what I heard from a dealer.

Since its so sporadic, I tried the 1 number bet and it has worked for me, but most people after 33 spins with a green chip would have gone to bed. (probably gone to bed after 10 spins)

JMHO
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March 21st, 2019 at 10:22:11 AM permalink
Quote: Bartman


Since its so sporadic, I tried the 1 number bet and it has worked for me,



So you're saying on the new wheels,
numbers no longer sleep for more
than 33 or so spins?

Seriously? If this were true the game
of roulette would end tomorrow, you
would be a guaranteed winner if you
had a decent BR. But it's not ending,
is it.
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March 21st, 2019 at 10:24:50 AM permalink
Don't put words in my mouth. I said " the longest I have gone is 33 spins. At the end of the day its gambling.
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March 21st, 2019 at 10:52:03 AM permalink
Quote: Bartman

Don't put words in my mouth. I said " the longest I have gone is 33 spins. At the end of the day its gambling.



The new wheels have changed nothing
about how long a number will sleep.
What will happen is, because it always
does, is you'll have a couple of devastating
sessions back to back that will put you
so far in the hole you'll never climb
out. You should shell out 30 bucks
and get Roulette Xtreme downloaded.
Run a few simulations on your method
and see the truth.
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March 21st, 2019 at 11:18:08 AM permalink
Question Bob: Do you actually gamble or are you the guy standing by the wheel not betting, but telling everyone how to bet?

I never told you to try what I do, I stated my experience. Casinos aren't built on winners, I mentioned its the worst odds in the casino.

I'm confused at you wanting to bash my opinion?? Just play your Roulette extreme and stand by the wheel.
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March 21st, 2019 at 11:35:48 AM permalink
You're assuming that the number will come sequentially. Roll 1 is a 1, roll 2 is the 2, etc. There's no memory. You can get any number 3 times in a row, for example, and not see your number for 200 spins. That high house edge will catch up with you sooner or later

The one upside I see is that it can really up your time insofar as getting higher ADT since you could be standing thing for an hour just to watch the first 40 or so bets play out. If wouldn't cost that much to Martingdale up either for a round or two.

Higher comps, but the money goes away in the end.

Can it win...well only if you hit your number early and bail then and there without making another bet. After all, the odds can't get you if you don't play.
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March 21st, 2019 at 11:37:51 AM permalink
Quote: Bartman

Question Bob: Do you actually gamble.



I've either been in a casino playing
or playing a sim at home every day
for the last 13 years. But I'm sure you
know more than I do about roulette,
carry on.
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March 21st, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM permalink
Sick 5 year bump. Wouldn't chasing a roulette wheel get boring? It seems like you'd catch it quickly 100% of the time unless you're super drunk.
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March 21st, 2019 at 4:45:50 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Had a dealer in Vegas tell
both zeros on his wheel slept for 3 days,
they kept track. The figured it was
over 1200 spins where the ball
ignored both zero pockets.

Do you realize how unlikely that would be ?
It’s all about making that GTA
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March 21st, 2019 at 5:00:26 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

Do you realize how unlikely that would be ?

Roulette Dealers stand alone (except when there are 2 of them)

gp > 1/(36./38)^1200
answer IS rounded
1 in 15,042,326,792,315,605,280,617,958,570.5

to compare

Grandma Pat Craps hand record (out on the 154th roll)
1 in 5,590,264,071.8

15,042,326,792,315,605,280,617,958,570.5
5,590,264,071.8
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March 21st, 2019 at 5:05:47 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You can also lose. It's not unusual for
single numbers to sleep for hundreds
of spins. They sleep all the time for
75-150. Had a dealer in Vegas tell
both zeros on his wheel slept for 3 days,
they kept track. The figured it was
over 1200 spins where the ball
ignored both zero pockets.



Roulette dealer's have a sense of humor too.
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March 21st, 2019 at 5:32:25 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Roulette dealer's have a sense of humor too.



He was serious. I saw 7 zeros in a
row once in Vegas. After the
3rd one, everybody was piling
chips on both zeros, it hit
4 more times, Cheers every
time it did, The pit even changed
the dealer after the 5th one.
If I hadn't seen it I would think
it's a made up story.

Saw 23 reds in a row once, a black
then 7 more reds. Everybody betting
black, nobody betting red. Idiots.
Bet with a streak and you'll only
lose once.
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March 21st, 2019 at 6:24:01 PM permalink
By means of comparison, the previous Craps roll record had stood for 20 years as I recall.

Assuming roughy the same level of roulette and Craps activity, we can expect the next occurrence of 1200 roulette spins with no zeroes to happen in about 5 x 10^19 years, or about 10 billion times the age of the earth, assuming an age of 5 billion years.

BS on 12 consecutive zeroes as well.
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March 21st, 2019 at 7:30:35 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2



BS on 12 consecutive zeroes as well.



It was 7, I was there. 3 zeros, 4 double zeros.
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March 21st, 2019 at 9:16:44 PM permalink
Sorry, I read 7 + 5.

7 total is still very remote but believable.
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March 21st, 2019 at 9:40:23 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

Sorry, I read 7 + 5.

7 total is still very remote but believable.



If I said the numbers 12 & 32 came up seven
times in a row, everybody would say I can see
that, it sounds reasonable. But because it's the
two zeros, people don't want to believe it. They
think the zeros are somehow different than the
other pockets of the wheel.
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