The Iron Crapper

Quote: SkittleCar1

I was surprised to see this has not been scrutinized on here yet. (Or maybe I just couldn't find it.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q24Dv_0xhhM

How his system works.....

Bets $42 on the Don't Pass. And pray that a 7 or 11 doesn't come up.

If the point gets established, he bets $42 (or so) on the place bets. And doubles the point.
So if the point is 5, the 4 & 10 gets $5 each. The 6 & 8 get $6 each. The Nine gets $5. The Six gets $10. And one $5 on the field.
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My thoughts.....
If the 7 or 11 show up on the Come Out.....you're screwed.
If the point is hit immediately after establishing the point.....you're screwed.

I don't see this as profitable. If 6&8 keep getting rolled, you profit $1 each time, because you have to replace the $5 on the field.
The $42 don't pass is just insurance on your place bets, so that breaks even.

It seems like a lot of money to put out there to potentially earn very little.

I think I stick to the Pass/Don't Pass with Odds. :-)

Quote: CrapsGenious

it's a good entertainment bet because you get paid on every number rolled regardless of the amount. "Fun bet" you know? "Fun"

Quote: SkittleCar1

Its a good system for video game type play money. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.

Quote: mustangsally

The claim of it's creator says it wins more money than his first IC method.

One of many problems is he says to have a bankroll of $168 so you can lose 2 times. (more fun than losing just one time)
more fun and more comps too!

A sim of this system shows only about a 25% (1 in 4) chance of doubling that $168 bankroll
before having less than $84 to make your next bet
in other words, this is really bad.
A Marty increases the thrill factor and can double those type of bankrolls a little over 40%

It only averages, per double attempt, a net loss of $36 over any kind of extended play.

He would lose almost all followers real fast if complete information ever got out
I think he has asked for someone to run a sim in another forum
maybe he will find this
so I will NOT post anything more about it.

but here is the WinCraps files (it uses the risk of ruin file available at WinCraps site and was adjusted for the system)

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'Classic - IronCrapper
When . . .
Initializing Auto-Bet
then . . .
Set Auto-Take Full Odds to False
Name Chip-Stack # 1 as "Size of each Passline bet"
Name Chip-Stack # 2 as "Total # of games to play"
Name Chip-Stack # 3 as "# of completed games played"
Name Chip-Stack # 4 as "Amount of action desired per game"
Name Chip-Stack # 5 as "Remaining action to play this game"
Name Chip-Stack # 6 as "Beginnning bankroll"
Name Chip-Stack # 7 as "Win goal"
Name Chip-Stack # 8 as "# of rolls desired per game"
Name Chip-Stack # 9 as "# of desired passline trials per game"
Name Chip-Stack # 10 as "# of completed passline trials this game"
Show message: "This autobet file plays Dont Pass bets (and odds if"
Show message: "activated) until one of five things has occurred:"
Show message: " "
Show message: "-- insufficient bankroll remains to make a Passline bet"
Show message: "-- a specified amount of action has transpired"
Show message: "-- a specified win goal has been reached"
Show message: "-- a specified # of rolls has been reached"
Show message: "-- a specified # of Passline trials have transpired"
Show message: " "
Show message: "What is your beginning bankroll?"
Show message: " "
Get input and bet it on Chip-Stack # 6
Deposit 100 % of bankroll in the ATM
Withdraw 100 % of Chip-Stack # 6 from the ATM
Show message: "How much action would you like in each game?"
Show message: "(enter zero if you don't want to set an action limit)"
Show message: " "
Get input and bet it on Chip-Stack # 4
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 4 on Chip-Stack # 5
Show message: "What is your win goal?"
Show message: "(enter as a bankroll amount. e.g. if ";
Show message: "your goal is to win $50 and your bankroll is $100 then ";
Show message: "enter 150 here. Enter zero for no win goal.)"
Show message: " "
Get input and bet it on Chip-Stack # 7
Show message: "How many games would you like to play?"
Show message: "(enter zero if you want to play continuously)"
Show message: " "
Get input and bet it on Chip-Stack # 2
Show message: "How many rolls would you like in each game?"
Show message: "(enter zero if you don't want to set a roll limit)"
Show message: " "
Get input and bet it on Chip-Stack # 8
Show message: "How many Passline trials would you like in each game?"
Show message: "(enter zero if you don't want to set a trial limit)"
Show message: " "
Get input and bet it on Chip-Stack # 9
Show message: "How large would you like each Dont Pass bet to be?"
Show message: " "
Get input and bet it on Chip-Stack # 1
Bet 100 % of available bankroll on Chip-Stack # 19
Yes/No question: "Would you like to play odds bets too?"
When . . .
Initializing Auto-Bet
Last answer was "Yes"
then . . .
Set Auto-Take Full Odds to True
When . . .
On each pass
or when . . .
On each miss
then . . .
Add $ 1 to Chip-Stack # 10
While . . .
Next roll is a come-out roll
then . . .
Go to "Flat bet"
When . . .
A point is established on any number
Don't Pass Odds is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Go to "Odds bet"
else . . .
Go to "Check status"
Flat bet
' If a limited amount of action has been selected then limit passline
' bet as necessary to avoid exceeding desired action.
While . . .
Chip-Stack # 4 is greater than $ 0
Chip-Stack # 5 is less than Chip-Stack # 1
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 5 on Don't Pass
else . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 1 on Don't Pass
While . . .
Chip-Stack # 4 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Subtract 100 % of Don't Pass from Chip-Stack # 5
Do this . . .
Go to "Check status"
Odds bet
' Odds bet (if selected) has already been made. If a limited amount of
' action has been selected then limit odds here as necessary to avoid
' exceeding desired action.
While . . .
Chip-Stack # 4 is greater than $ 0
Pass Line Odds is greater than Chip-Stack # 5
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 5 on Pass Line Odds
While . . .
Chip-Stack # 4 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Subtract 100 % of Pass Line Odds from Chip-Stack # 5
Check status
While . . .
A point is established on any number
then . . .
Bet $ 5 on all Place bets
Bet $ 5 on Field
Add $ 5 to Place (shooter's point)
'lowest avail bankroll - drawdown
While . . .
Available bankroll is less than Chip-Stack # 19
then . . .
Bet 100 % of available bankroll on Chip-Stack # 19
While . . .
Don't Pass is less than $ 42
or while . . .
Bankroll is less than $ 84
Chip-Stack # 7 is greater than $ 0
or while . . .
Bankroll is not less than Chip-Stack # 7
Chip-Stack # 7 is greater than $ 0
or while . . .
The # of rolls in the game are not less than Chip-Stack # 8
Chip-Stack # 8 is greater than $ 0
Next roll is a come-out roll
or while . . .
Chip-Stack # 10 is not less than Chip-Stack # 9
Chip-Stack # 9 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet 100 % of highest bankroll on Chip-Stack # 11
Reset table (preserve Chip-Stacks)
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 4 on Chip-Stack # 5
Bet $ 0 on Chip-Stack # 10
Bet $ 0 on Chip-Stack # 11
Bet $ 0 on Chip-Stack # 18
Bet $ 0 on Chip-Stack # 19
Add $ 1 to Chip-Stack # 3
Deposit 100 % of bankroll in the ATM
Withdraw 100 % of Chip-Stack # 6 from the ATM
Go to "Flat bet"
Bet 100 % of available bankroll on Chip-Stack # 19
When . . .
Chip-Stack # 3 is equal to Chip-Stack # 2
Chip-Stack # 2 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Stop Auto-Rolling / Hyper-Drive

'Pro - IronCrapper
If
Initializing script
Then
AutoTake full odds = false :
Name CheckStack1 as "Size of each Passline bet" :
Name CheckStack2 as "Total # of games to play" :
Name CheckStack3 as "#of completed games played" :
Name CheckStack4 as "Amount of action desired per game" :
Name CheckStack5 as "Remaining action to play this game" :
Name CheckStack6 as "Beginnning bankroll" :
Name CheckStack7 as "Win goal" :
Name CheckStack8 as "#of rolls desired per game" :
Name CheckStack9 as "#of desired passline trials per game" :
Name CheckStack10 as "#of completed passline trials this game" :
Bet input("This autobet file plays Dont Pass bets (and odds if" & cr &
"activated) until one of five things has occurred:" & cr &
" " & cr &
"-- insufficient bankroll remains to make a Passline bet" & cr &
"-- a specified amount of action has transpired" & cr &
"-- a specified win goal has been reached" & cr &
"-- a specified # of rolls has been reached" & cr &
"-- a specified # of Passline trials have transpired" & cr &
" " & cr &
"What is your beginning bankroll?" & cr &
" " & cr
) on CheckStack6 :
ATM Deposit 100% of bankroll :
ATM Withdraw 100% of CheckStack6 :
Bet input("How much action would you like in each game?" & cr &
"(enter zero if you don't want to set an action limit)" & cr &
" " & cr
) on CheckStack4 :
Bet 100% of CheckStack4 on CheckStack5 :
Bet input("What is your win goal?" & cr &
"(enter as a bankroll amount. e.g. if " &
"your goal is to win $50 and your bankroll is $100 then " &
"enter 150 here. Enter zero for no win goal.)" & cr &
" " & cr
) on CheckStack7 :
Bet input("How many games would you like to play?" & cr &
"(enter zero if you want to play continuously)" & cr &
" " & cr
) on CheckStack2 :
Bet input("How many rolls would you like in each game?" & cr &
"(enter zero if you don't want to set a roll limit)" & cr &
" " & cr
) on CheckStack8 :
Bet input("How many Passline trials would you like in each game?" & cr &
"(enter zero if you don't want to set a trial limit)" & cr &
" " & cr
) on CheckStack9 :
Bet input("How large would you like each Dont Pass bet to be?" & cr &
" " & cr
) on CheckStack1 :
Bet 100% of available bankroll on CheckStack19 :
Yes / No question "Would you like to play odds bets too?"
EndIf
If
Initializing script And
Answer was YES
Then
AutoTake full odds = true
EndIf
If
Shooter passes
Or
Shooter misses
Then
Add $1 to CheckStack10
EndIf
If
Next roll is a comeout roll
Then
GoTo "Flat bet"
EndIf
If
A point is established on any(4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10) And
DontPassOdds is greater than $0
Then
GoTo "Odds bet"
Else
GoTo "Check status"
EndIf
: "Flat bet" :
' If a limited amount of action has been selected then limit passline
' bet as necessary to avoid exceeding desired action.
If
CheckStack4 is greater than $0 And
CheckStack5 is less than CheckStack1
Then
Bet 100% of CheckStack5 on DontPass :
Else
Bet 100% of CheckStack1 on DontPass
EndIf
If
CheckStack4 is greater than $0
Then
Subtract 100% of DontPass from CheckStack5 :
EndIf
Return
GoTo "Check status" :
: "Odds bet" :
' Odds bet (if selected) has already been made. If a limited amount of
' action has been selected then limit odds here as necessary to avoid
' exceeding desired action.
If
CheckStack4 is greater than $0 And
PassLineOdds is greater than CheckStack5
Then
Bet 100% of CheckStack5 on PassLineOdds
EndIf
If
CheckStack4 is greater than $0
Then
Subtract 100% of PassLineOdds from CheckStack5
EndIf
: "Check status" :
If
A point is established on any(4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10)
Then
Bet $5 on all(Place bets) :
Bet $5 on Field :
Add $5 to Place(point)
EndIf
'lowest avail bankroll - drawdown
If
Available bankroll is less than CheckStack19
Then
Bet 100% of available bankroll on CheckStack19
EndIf
If
DontPass is less than $42
Or
Bankroll is less than $84 And
CheckStack7 is greater than $0
Or
Bankroll is not less than CheckStack7 And
CheckStack7 is greater than $0
Or
The # of rolls current session are not less than CheckStack8 And
CheckStack8 is greater than $0 And
Next roll is a comeout roll
Or
CheckStack10 is not less than CheckStack9 And
CheckStack9 is greater than $0
Then
Bet 100% of high bankroll on CheckStack11 :
Start new session(preserve CheckStacks)
EndIf
If
Beginning new session And Initializing script = False
Then
Bet 100% of CheckStack4 on CheckStack5 :
Bet $0 on CheckStack10 :
Bet $0 on CheckStack11 :
Bet $0 on CheckStack18 :
Bet $0 on CheckStack19 :
Add $1 to CheckStack3 :
ATM Deposit 100% of bankroll :
ATM Withdraw 100% of CheckStack6 :
GoSub "Flat bet" :
Bet 100% of available bankroll on CheckStack19
EndIf
If
CheckStack3 is equal to CheckStack2 And
CheckStack2 is greater than $0
Then
Stop AutoRolling / HyperDrive
EndIf

he must not understand what happens to your bankroll the more you bet the high house edge bets like place 4,10 and 5,9
those are not worth even betting unless a DI can roll 10 in a row each and every time :)

Sally