I HAS A BETTING SYSTEM!
Comp City talks about playing blackjack as slow as possible, and to put a huge bet out in the beginning to fool the pit bosses to giving you a high rating. In 2014, would UTH be the best play in terms of getting a lot for your gambling dollar in terms of comps? Another show weeks later claimed that blackjack doesn't hold as much before since people know to hit soft 18 vs 10, double all 11's unless against an A, etc. Do comps seem to suffer on "strip rules" BJ?
The reason why I put this in betting systems is that I believe comp hustling is the only way to gain an easy edge over table games. Also rat holing could work, so with the combination of UTH, big bet when pit boss watches, and playing perfect strategy can one beat the expected loss in terms of comps? Are carnival games the "Comp City" strategies of the future?
I've gotten max bet before.
Quote: Mission146I have found that tipping goes a long way towards getting a good average bet rating. I've gotten points before to such an extent that the average bet they were using was probably closer to my total action, when the crew is right.
Tipping is good for dice setters at craps table, i play 5/fire and always place an extra dollar for the crew. I set the dice and sometimes don't hit the back wall so it helps as they tend to overlook those "lady shooter" shots.
Quote: Mission146I have found that tipping goes a long way towards getting a good average bet rating. I've gotten points before to such an extent that the average bet they were using was probably closer to my total action, when the crew is right.
Wow that is pretty strong. No doubt I am a pretty good tipper, but don't know how to quantify tips. It would be nice to know what $1 gets me in return for average bet but it is defiantly based on the dealer, which I would have no idea how they rate me if I was a "George".
I think this is rare and probably not found in Vegas. The pit boss sees your bet puts it in the computer end of story.Quote: Mission146I have found that tipping goes a long way towards getting a good average bet rating. I've gotten points before to such an extent that the average bet they were using was probably closer to my total action, when the crew is right.
Quote: AxelWolfI think this is rare and probably not found in Vegas. The pit boss sees your bet puts it in the computer end of story.
I don't know about that. Once I was playing craps (probably at a $10 table) and a woman showed up and started betting yellows. She was betting lots of numbers. After she left I overheard a conversation about what her rating should be that ended with her getting rated way higher than her actual average bet, at least in part due to her being nice and tipping (she was even tipping shooters). This was at a large strip casino.
Yes I would would rate her higher as well since the she was tipping shooters they probably bet more or stayed longer. So she earned the higher rating. Also you should always rate suckers higher.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI don't know about that. Once I was playing craps (probably at a $10 table) and a woman showed up and started betting yellows. She was betting lots of numbers. After she left I overheard a conversation about what her rating should be that ended with her getting rated way higher than her actual average bet, at least in part due to her being nice and tipping (she was even tipping shooters). This was at a large strip casino.
Quote: AxelWolfYes I would would rate her higher as well since the she was tipping shooters they probably bet more or stayed longer. So she earned the higher rating. Also you should always rate suckers higher.
She wasn't really much of a sucker. She was betting the pass line with odds and betting the numbers. Nothing in the middle of the table. The worst bets she made were placing the 5 and 9 (4% HE)
I think she made a $25 odds bet for one shooter who was just playing the pass line with no odds. It's not like the was giving away tons of cash.
Anyway, my point is, in craps, I think that there is a lot more leeway about ratings than other games. They can't just enter your initial bet into the computer because they need to see what you do if a point is established (do you bet numbers?), and how much you press when you hit, etc.
This is all the more reason not to play craps and even more reason, I will tip dealers less and spread the word not to tip them. I have been known to tip well, but I don't like when dealers don't just do the proper job, and give whats right.Quote: RSIn craps, they typically enter your total action for the first 3-4 numbers rolled. Doesn't matter if you always press or always same bet. If you sit out once every few shooters, at least on a busy table, it'll go somewhat unnoticed, unless you're the biggest player. Tipping always helps with the rating. Be nice to the crew. Too often would a player leave, boss ask what their average bet was, and respond with "give that asshole a 5 he's a douchebag stroker"(when he was really averaging 20+). Other times when a nice person who's only playing 10-15$, I'll tell the boss to put her in for 20-25 and he says "nah I'll put her in for 30-35, she always takes care of the crew".
Quote: RSBe nice to the crew. Too often would a player leave, boss ask what their average bet was, and respond with "give that asshole a 5 he's a douchebag stroker"(when he was really averaging 20+).
I can't stand this type of dealer behavior either. I also tip well, but hearing this kind of stuff ticks me off. I'm getting sick & tired of dealers constantly bitching about tips. They never take the blame for a player's loss, but they sure want credit when the player wins.
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Anyway, my point is, in craps, I think that there is a lot more leeway about ratings than other games.
There's a lot more leeway, period, in craps. I remember I was at a major casino and there was a very attractive young woman shooting the dice in a very low-cut dress. The whole table crew was male, including the box man. The shooter was betting $10 pass line with $5 odds, and $10 come with $5 odds every roll. She held the dice for about 10 minutes. She hit several 5s and 9s and every time, the box would tell the dealers to pay her $8 for her $5. I think they were just giving her an extra 50 cents because of how hot she was. It was hilarious. After about 5 minutes, she made a come point of 9 and I bet $5 on my own odds to see what would happen. Immediately the dealer told me "even odds only" -- the same dealer that was paying her 8 to 5.
Bitching? He is blatantly screwing players out of what they earned legitimately. Who knows why they didn't tip, that's NOHB.Quote: Beethoven9thI can't stand this type of dealer behavior either. I also tip well, but hearing this kind of stuff ticks me off. I'm getting sick & tired of dealers constantly bitching about tips.
Maybe his wife just died while tipping a greedy dealer. Perhaps he had a win goal and made a large bet if he could achieve it and was only a few bucks away. And he planned on coming back and tipping.
Do your dam job period. The rest will fall in place.
Their are plenty of good tippers out there, to pay his rent.
Next time I stiff a dealer, I will tell them to thank RS
Quote: AxelWolfBitching? He is blatantly screwing players out of what they earned legitimately.
I agree with your post, but my "bitching" comment was aimed at dealers in general who constantly bitch about tips.
Quote: djatcWow that is pretty strong. No doubt I am a pretty good tipper, but don't know how to quantify tips. It would be nice to know what $1 gets me in return for average bet but it is defiantly based on the dealer, which I would have no idea how they rate me if I was a "George".
I wasn't being completely literal, but I have easily been rated for $50 PL action on $5 PL action.
That's cus you're so good looking.Quote: Mission146I wasn't being completely literal, but I have easily been rated for $50 PL action on $5 PL action.
Quote: AxelWolfThat's cus you're so good looking.
I just got a text from JuicieJennie, she says she'll agree with that statement for a Green chippie, she'll even throw in another compliment on my taste in music.
Some women will do or say ANYTHING for money no matter how hard it is.Quote: Mission146I just got a text from JuicieJennie, she says she'll agree with that statement for a Green chippie, she'll even throw in another compliment on my taste in music.
Quote: AxelWolfSome women will do or say ANYTHING for money no matter how hard it is.
This is too perfect for the situation, since it is gambling-related:
"How much would a party like that cost?"
Id do it for 2500Quote: Mission146This is too perfect for the situation, since it is gambling-related:
"How much would a party like that cost?"
Quote: RolexWatchDMSCR down to a tee
Almost! We need the peanut butter, the krazy glue and a weed whacker. And the 5 alarm Louisiana hot sauce wasabi laced nipple clamps for me.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me.
Quote: AxelWolfId do it for 2500Quote: Mission146This is too perfect for the situation, since it is gambling-related:
"How much would a party like that cost?"
If you're doing it for 2500 would you be supplying the Pepto Bismal jacuzzi or would I?
I'd have to do the math on it, might not even be close.
Quote: Mission146This is too perfect for the situation, since it is gambling-related:
"How much would a party like that cost?"
LOL
So what kind of action are talking about on the game for that type of comp?
-Be nice
-Don't be a douchebag
-Don't make the dealer remind you to pick up your winnings or proper odds
-Don't stroke the dealers
-Betting for the dealers definitely helps (although that's not a huge concern of mine, unlike most dealers)
If someone is playing the opposite of what I just described, (ie: the player is an ass), I will under report your average bet when/if my boss asks. The same goes with when they ask how much you left with.
I'm not saying you have to be the nicest person in the world, tip every roll (or tip at all, for that matter), never make a mistake with proper betting unit etc, or anything like that. Simply put, if you make my job easy, I like you. If you make my job more difficult than it has to be, I probably don't like you.
I don't expect players to tip nor do I bitch and complain if I don't get tipped / how I rely on tips. If you don't tip, I'm not gonna hate you or underreport your avg bet (or over report what you left with). It's whether or not you're a good customer or a douchebag.
Quote: RS-Don't stroke the dealers
I was wondering what you meant by the above? Is that under the table or not to stroke their egos?
I'm not familiar with this phrase.
You sound like a clear headed guy and a good dealer.Quote: RSI don't think you guys quite understood what I was saying. If you want to get rated better when you're playing craps:
-Be nice
-Don't be a douchebag
-Don't make the dealer remind you to pick up your winnings or proper odds
-Don't stroke the dealers
-Betting for the dealers definitely helps (although that's not a huge concern of mine, unlike most dealers)
If someone is playing the opposite of what I just described, (ie: the player is an ass), I will under report your average bet when/if my boss asks. The same goes with when they ask how much you left with.
I'm not saying you have to be the nicest person in the world, tip every roll (or tip at all, for that matter), never make a mistake with proper betting unit etc, or anything like that. Simply put, if you make my job easy, I like you. If you make my job more difficult than it has to be, I probably don't like you.
I don't expect players to tip nor do I bitch and complain if I don't get tipped / how I rely on tips. If you don't tip, I'm not gonna hate you or underreport your avg bet (or over report what you left with). It's whether or not you're a good customer or a douchebag.
I do think you are backpedaling a bit now. I don't think dealers should EVER have any say in over or under reporting anything. I don't want you over reporting OTHERS for comps, because that may take more from the casinos comp budget and now I may get less in the long run.
If a guy is being a D-bag that's just life and the job you chose. I have no problem with you just ignoring him while giving him proper service. Do the proper job you are paid for, and enjoy the people who are fun-bags and generous people. Find a different way to reward them. Rewarding them a compliment may do just fine. (perhaps the casinos need to convert dealers tips into special, dealer tip chip,s they can give them to players they like) Being over generous with the CASINO'S comps is probably not your job. It may be considered the same as giving a way extra merchandise, while working at a store.
Quote: RSStroking is having them do a bunch of work which is basically having them do work just "because". Lots of moving and switching bets, taking bets down then putting them back up, weird prop bets, rainbow (multi denom) bets, basically uneccessary work.
So exactly how Ahigh likes to play craps, got it.
