New craps system discovered from the other day.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:33:55 AM
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Thought I'd post this is betting systems section because it worked repeatedly for a craps enthusiast the other night.
$5.00 craps table
1) Start by placing $5/4 or 10 (Bet pays $9.00 if it comes in)
2) Drop $2.00 and ask the dealer to place 5 & 6 for $5/5, $6/6.
3) Sit back and collect $7 and $9 profits from 3 numbers from your $7.00 investment.
$10.00 craps table
1) Start by placing $10/4 or 10 (Bet pays $18.00 if it comes in)
2) Drop $4.00 and ask the dealer to place 5 & 6 for $10/5, $12/6.
3) Sit back and collect $14 and $18 profits from 3 numbers from your $14.00 investment.
$25.00 craps table
1) Start by Buying 4 or 10/$25 (Bet pays $50.00 if it comes in)
2) Drop $6.00 and ask the dealer to place 5 & 6 for $25/5, $30/6.
3) Sit back and collect $35 and $50 profits from 3 numbers from your $32.00 investment.
*Bet both 4 & 10 if you feel lucky.
$5.00 craps table
1) Start by placing $5/4 or 10 (Bet pays $9.00 if it comes in)
2) Drop $2.00 and ask the dealer to place 5 & 6 for $5/5, $6/6.
3) Sit back and collect $7 and $9 profits from 3 numbers from your $7.00 investment.
$10.00 craps table
1) Start by placing $10/4 or 10 (Bet pays $18.00 if it comes in)
2) Drop $4.00 and ask the dealer to place 5 & 6 for $10/5, $12/6.
3) Sit back and collect $14 and $18 profits from 3 numbers from your $14.00 investment.
$25.00 craps table
1) Start by Buying 4 or 10/$25 (Bet pays $50.00 if it comes in)
2) Drop $6.00 and ask the dealer to place 5 & 6 for $25/5, $30/6.
3) Sit back and collect $35 and $50 profits from 3 numbers from your $32.00 investment.
*Bet both 4 & 10 if you feel lucky.
8 more years till retirement.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:41:20 AM
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SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a CRAP GENIOUS.
What a CRAP GENIOUS.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:42:43 AM
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Hoover Dam! Why didn't we think of it? Sheer genius!
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January 4th, 2014 at 6:54:51 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
January 4th, 2014 at 6:59:32 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesNormally I block these threads, but I enjoy watching train wrecks :-)
Oh come on, I know you're loving this. Hey the enthusiast made a couple hundred just in the same time I lost $500. so it's got to be worth the post gosh darn it.
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January 4th, 2014 at 7:05:15 AM
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I'll go for 9 if it comes to a single number. Roughly it's 2:1,but you see it more often than 4.
January 4th, 2014 at 7:18:23 AM
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Quote: CrapsGeniousOh come on, I know you're loving this. Hey the enthusiast made a couple hundred just in the same time I lost $500. so it's got to be worth the post gosh darn it.
You're hard to figure out. I mean, this last one was pretty much "Try Place Bets!"
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January 4th, 2014 at 8:04:38 AM
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It doesn't work.
I mean, I didn't actually read the OP, but it doesn't work.
That concludes my analysis, thank you.
I mean, I didn't actually read the OP, but it doesn't work.
That concludes my analysis, thank you.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
January 4th, 2014 at 8:39:20 AM
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Quote: CrapsGeniousThought I'd post this is betting systems section because it worked repeatedly for a craps enthusiast the other night.
[rubbish snipped]
*Bet both 4 & 10 if you feel lucky.
I've got an awesome craps system too:
1) Bet $5 on the 4 or 10
2) If the shooter throws a 7, repeat Step 1
3) If not, sit back and collect $5 when the 4/10 hits
I'm a "genious", huh?
Fighting BS one post at a time!
January 4th, 2014 at 8:56:46 AM
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Quote: Dicenor33I'll go for 9 if it comes to a single number. Roughly it's 2:1,but you see it more often than 4.
7:5 is roughly 2:1 ?
That's some pretty liberal rough rounding there!
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January 4th, 2014 at 9:00:39 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
January 4th, 2014 at 9:01:10 AM
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Quote: Dicenor33I'll go for 9 if it comes to a single number. Roughly it's 2:1,but you see it more often than 4.
5 or 9 pays 3:2 or 7 for every 5 you have to win a couple times to place the other numbers.
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January 4th, 2014 at 9:04:18 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
January 4th, 2014 at 9:05:41 AM
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Quote: Ibeatyouraces3:2 = 7.5:5, not 7:5
sorry thinking of Come bet w/Odds on the 5 & 9
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January 4th, 2014 at 9:19:39 AM
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Quote: CrapsGenious5 or 9 pays 3:2 or 7 for every 5
This comment is pure "genious".
Fighting BS one post at a time!
January 4th, 2014 at 10:14:41 AM
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But it is "whopping when they roll more than 5 in a row. That takes you to max bet from $30 - 480Quote: IbeatyouracesMaybe he's related to the guy that thought 6:5 was "whopping!"
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January 4th, 2014 at 10:20:21 AM
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but....do you have a system for baccarat?
January 4th, 2014 at 11:05:49 AM
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and how often does that happen?Quote: CrapsGeniousBut it is "whopping when they roll more than 5 in a row.
That takes you to max bet from $30 - 480
If this is the place6
But that was not in the first post you made in this thread.
$30 bet stays at $30 at the $25 table
"3) Sit back and collect $35 "
you have another system to share?
The system for the $25 table (I would rather place the 8 than the 5)
still can turn a $500 bankroll into $700 about 64% of every session played before ruin.
(65% for placing the 8 instead of the 5)
why chance ruining that good probability pressing your bets up?
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January 4th, 2014 at 11:50:09 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesMaybe he's related to the guy that thought 6:5 was "whopping!"
Hey, I am not a math genius, but both number in 6/5 are bigger than 3/2. Sounds whopping to me.
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January 4th, 2014 at 1:58:10 PM
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Quote: Dicenor33I'll go for 9 if it comes to a single number. Roughly it's 2:1,but you see it more often than 4.
That's impressive. You managed to dodge placing the 8 (1.51% house edge) and buying the 10 (1.66% house edge, sometimes 1.33%) and land right in the middle for the biggest sucker bet that's not in the middle of the table (placing the 9 = 4% house edge).
January 4th, 2014 at 2:11:38 PM
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Quote: Johnzimbobut....do you have a system for baccarat?
nope. But if I did I'd bet it all on the bank.
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January 4th, 2014 at 5:31:33 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear7:5 is roughly 2:1 ?
That's some pretty liberal rough rounding there!
Another effen genius!
edit: Whoops, Beethoven beat me to it.
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January 4th, 2014 at 5:59:17 PM
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Here is my logic. I have 500 in front of me. I can bet 100 on inside plus triple odds, or 100 on a single 9. What's better. Let say shooter 7 out 3 times in a row, on a fourth and fifth roll he pounded some numbers and 9 was among them. At best, with the spread he is lucky to recoup last $200, while hitting 9 couple times leaves him with the total loss of couple hundreds. I call it, craps phenomena, but 5 or 9 can show up a lot in a single roll.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:05:50 PM
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Upon reading this I decided to short MGM Grand common stock immediately. No way in hell they reach profit goals this quarter once this thread goes viral.
P.s. What's the difference between a craps enthusiast and a plain old craps player?
P.s. What's the difference between a craps enthusiast and a plain old craps player?
January 4th, 2014 at 6:23:54 PM
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Quote: Dicenor33Here is my logic. I have 500 in front of me. I can bet 100 on inside plus triple odds, or 100 on a single 9. What's better. Let say shooter 7 out 3 times in a row, on a fourth and fifth roll he pounded some numbers and 9 was among them. At best, with the spread he is lucky to recoup last $200, while hitting 9 couple times leaves him with the total loss of couple hundreds. I call it, craps phenomena, but 5 or 9 can show up a lot in a single roll.
I am in the wrong business. I need to open a casino.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:36:42 PM
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quadruple face palm?Quote: Dicenor33Here is my logic. I have 500 in front of me. I can bet 100 on inside plus triple odds, or 100 on a single 9. What's better. Let say shooter 7 out 3 times in a row, on a fourth and fifth roll he pounded some numbers and 9 was among them. At best, with the spread he is lucky to recoup last $200, while hitting 9 couple times leaves him with the total loss of couple hundreds. I call it, craps phenomena, but 5 or 9 can show up a lot in a single roll.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:36:54 PM
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Problem with 6 and 8 that it's hard to predict which one will show up, so you have to bet them both, thus increasing spread and getting paid 1:1. Craps is the loosing, but if you bet huge amount on a 9 and it shows 3-4 times, that's a hefty profit, tiny wins you accumulate by spread can not even compare.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:47:37 PM
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Quote: Dicenor33Problem with 6 and 8 that it's hard to predict which one will show up, so you have to bet them both, thus increasing spread and getting paid 1:1. Craps is the loosing, but if you bet huge amount on a 9 and it shows 3-4 times, that's a hefty profit, tiny wins you accumulate by spread can not even compare.
Good point. Luckily for you there is no number that comes up just as often as the 9.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:57:59 PM
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Let say you have 10k. No matter what you do, you gonna loose it. Instead, you bet 2.5 k on a 9 alone, let say you got lucky and you hit your number 3 times and that's 10k plus, you have 4 chances. At least you aim to hit big, better than slowly drain yourself
January 4th, 2014 at 7:07:30 PM
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Quote: Dicenor33Let say you have 10k. No matter what you do, you gonna loose it. Instead, you bet 2.5 k on a 9 alone, let say you got lucky and you hit your number 3 times and that's 10k plus, you have 4 chances. At least you aim to hit big, better than slowly drain yourself
I understand that you want some variance so you have a chance to win. But why you chose to place the 9 at a 4% house edge rather than buy the 10 at a 1.66% edge is beyond me
Buying the 10 is more variance with lower edge. What more could you want?
With your $10k example, if you really want to "aim big" you would do much better putting $2k at a time on the 4 or 10 (buying, not placing, of course). It pays $3900 after commission. Your money will last almost 2.5x as long on average, and if you hit it a few times you will make more money.
January 4th, 2014 at 7:30:40 PM
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Unfounded. Sorry it is based on one roll. No roll is ever the same it is all random. Try your system on the craps simulator on Wizard of odds. If its true blue it will be same every time. It is called gambling.
January 4th, 2014 at 7:33:44 PM
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I like fewer larger bets alsoQuote: Dicenor33Problem with 6 and 8 that it's hard to predict which one will show up, so you have to bet them both, thus increasing spread and getting paid 1:1. Craps is the loosing, but if you bet huge amount on a 9 and it shows 3-4 times, that's a hefty profit, tiny wins you accumulate by spread can not even compare.
how about your 5 unit bankroll
$600/$120 bets or
$500/100 bets or $10k/2k bets or $25/$5 bets
same ratios
let us try to double 5u to 10u or go broke trying
No. Sessions simulated = 10,000,000
ruin = $0 or not enough to make a full bet.
(Add about 3% to win goal met where player goes all-in to win to make last bet)
Simulation of Place to Win on 6 or 8
Bankroll was busted . . = 57.495% of the time ( 5749482)
Win goal was met . . . = 42.505% of the time ( 4250518)
Avg. No. games played . = 21.43
Avg. No. games won . . = 9.74
Avg. No. games lost . . = 11.69
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 70.14
Simulation of Place to Win on 5 or 9
Bankroll was busted . . = 61.588% of the time ( 6158777)
Win goal was met . . . = 38.412% of the time ( 3841223)
Avg. No. games played . = 17.77
Avg. No. games won . . = 7.11
Avg. No. games lost . . = 10.66
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 63.97
Simulation of Buy bet on 4 or 10
5.00% Commission charged only on a win
Bankroll was busted . . = 61.284% of the time ( 6128378)
Win goal was met . . . = 38.716% of the time ( 3871622)
Avg. No. games played . = 12.68
Avg. No. games won . . = 4.23
Avg. No. games lost . . = 8.45
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 50.72
I like
Bet big or go home (no be timid)
more fun in winning big
ruin = $0 or not enough to make a full bet.
(Add about 3% to win goal met where player goes all-in to win to make last bet)
Simulation of Place to Win on 6 or 8
Bankroll was busted . . = 57.495% of the time ( 5749482)
Win goal was met . . . = 42.505% of the time ( 4250518)
Avg. No. games played . = 21.43
Avg. No. games won . . = 9.74
Avg. No. games lost . . = 11.69
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 70.14
Simulation of Place to Win on 5 or 9
Bankroll was busted . . = 61.588% of the time ( 6158777)
Win goal was met . . . = 38.412% of the time ( 3841223)
Avg. No. games played . = 17.77
Avg. No. games won . . = 7.11
Avg. No. games lost . . = 10.66
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 63.97
Simulation of Buy bet on 4 or 10
5.00% Commission charged only on a win
Bankroll was busted . . = 61.284% of the time ( 6128378)
Win goal was met . . . = 38.716% of the time ( 3871622)
Avg. No. games played . = 12.68
Avg. No. games won . . = 4.23
Avg. No. games lost . . = 8.45
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 50.72
I like
Bet big or go home (no be timid)
more fun in winning big
let us try to triple up 5u to 15u or go broke trying
more fun betting and winning big!
No. Sessions simulated = 10,000,000
Simulation of Place to Win on 6 or 8
Bankroll was busted . . = 73.935% of the time ( 7393456)
Win goal was met . . . = 26.065% of the time ( 2606544)
Avg. No. games played . = 40.26
Avg. No. games won . . = 18.30
Avg. No. games lost . . = 21.96
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 131.77
Simulation of Place to Win on 5 or 9
Bankroll was busted . . = 78.161% of the time ( 7816055)
Win goal was met . . . = 21.839% of the time ( 2183945)
Avg. No. games played . = 32.04
Avg. No. games won . . = 12.82
Avg. No. games lost . . = 19.23
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 115.35
Simulation of Buy bet on 4 or 10
5.00% Commission charged only on a win
Bankroll was busted . . = 74.580% of the time ( 7457978)
Win goal was met . . . = 25.420% of the time ( 2542022)
Avg. No. games played . = 22.81
Avg. No. games won . . = 7.60
Avg. No. games lost . . = 15.20
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 91.22
No. Sessions simulated = 10,000,000
Simulation of Place to Win on 6 or 8
Bankroll was busted . . = 73.935% of the time ( 7393456)
Win goal was met . . . = 26.065% of the time ( 2606544)
Avg. No. games played . = 40.26
Avg. No. games won . . = 18.30
Avg. No. games lost . . = 21.96
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 131.77
Simulation of Place to Win on 5 or 9
Bankroll was busted . . = 78.161% of the time ( 7816055)
Win goal was met . . . = 21.839% of the time ( 2183945)
Avg. No. games played . = 32.04
Avg. No. games won . . = 12.82
Avg. No. games lost . . = 19.23
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 115.35
Simulation of Buy bet on 4 or 10
5.00% Commission charged only on a win
Bankroll was busted . . = 74.580% of the time ( 7457978)
Win goal was met . . . = 25.420% of the time ( 2542022)
Avg. No. games played . = 22.81
Avg. No. games won . . = 7.60
Avg. No. games lost . . = 15.20
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 91.22
how about play until ruin or 1 million bets
still 5 unit bankroll
ruin = $0 or not enough to make a full bet.
No. Sessions simulated = 1,000,000
Session will not quit at any win goal
Max. Decisions to quit = 1,000,000
All bets are a single unit
Simulation of Place to Win on 6 or 8
Bankroll was busted . . = 100.000% of the time ( 1000000)
Avg. No. games played . = 298.32
Avg. No. games won . . = 135.59
Avg. No. games lost . . = 162.72
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 976.28
Avg. Total amount bet . = 298.32
Std-dev # games played = 1204.55
Median # games played = 34.15
Simulation of Place to Win on 5 or 9
Bankroll was busted . . = 100.000% of the time ( 1000000)
Avg. No. games played . = 113.56
Avg. No. games won . . = 45.43
Avg. No. games lost . . = 68.13
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 408.81
Avg. Total amount bet . = 113.56
Std-dev # games played = 309.90
Median # games played = 24.52
Simulation of Buy bet on 4 or 10
5.00% Commission charged only on a win
Bankroll was busted . . = 100.000% of the time ( 1000000)
Avg. No. games played . = 257.07
Avg. No. games won . . = 85.70
Avg. No. games lost . . = 171.37
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 1028.32
Avg. Total amount bet . = 269.92
Std-dev # games played = 1257.44
Median # games played = 16.69
No. Sessions simulated = 1,000,000
Session will not quit at any win goal
Max. Decisions to quit = 1,000,000
All bets are a single unit
Simulation of Place to Win on 6 or 8
Bankroll was busted . . = 100.000% of the time ( 1000000)
Avg. No. games played . = 298.32
Avg. No. games won . . = 135.59
Avg. No. games lost . . = 162.72
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 976.28
Avg. Total amount bet . = 298.32
Std-dev # games played = 1204.55
Median # games played = 34.15
Simulation of Place to Win on 5 or 9
Bankroll was busted . . = 100.000% of the time ( 1000000)
Avg. No. games played . = 113.56
Avg. No. games won . . = 45.43
Avg. No. games lost . . = 68.13
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 408.81
Avg. Total amount bet . = 113.56
Std-dev # games played = 309.90
Median # games played = 24.52
Simulation of Buy bet on 4 or 10
5.00% Commission charged only on a win
Bankroll was busted . . = 100.000% of the time ( 1000000)
Avg. No. games played . = 257.07
Avg. No. games won . . = 85.70
Avg. No. games lost . . = 171.37
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 1028.32
Avg. Total amount bet . = 269.92
Std-dev # games played = 1257.44
Median # games played = 16.69
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