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October 30th, 2013 at 12:10:01 PM permalink
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October 30th, 2013 at 12:18:39 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

So now somebody will take these results and see if our Canadian friend system works, no?


http://miplet.net/bz/play.php and paste in your shoe. I used 25, 50, 75, 50, 75, 100, 150, 100, 200, 250, 300, 400, (+100 each win after) for the progression. No stop loss/win, but I give a running total so you can decide when you've won/lost/played enough.
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October 30th, 2013 at 1:46:18 PM permalink
Quote: miplet

http://miplet.net/bz/play.php and paste in your shoe. I used 25, 50, 75, 50, 75, 100, 150, 100, 200, 250, 300, 400, (+100 each win after) for the progression. No stop loss/win, but I give a running total so you can decide when you've won/lost/played enough.

very nice miplet

I did the same in Excel using
bet both on hand one,
bet 0 on hand one if they did not have to bet as that Bac player mentioned and
what I call FLB, follow last bet - bet last winning hand only. to alternate between the winning side. the other side no bets.

I have all the results for his shoes he posted along with the first 10 shoes in the
Wizard's 1k 8 deck collection as that Bac player "v" said to look into to test his system.

I can post later in that thread all my results

Here is the results for the first 10 wizard 8 deck shoe
Miplet's page results matched my Excel results of -8.75 :)
Just FLB produced a win of 8.75
Not betting the first hand but both sides after the first net -7.50

That Bac player (call him v, I like his wife and the cat!)
said he won $25 minus commission and the commission is not to even be considered.
he thinks nothing of that small 5% Banker fee!
The casino loves him!
I used player v posted progression to 12 bets
0=25/25
1=50/25
2=75/25
3=50/25 (at this point you are betting strictly Casino Profits)
4=75/25
5=100/25
6=125/25
7=150/25
8=200/25 (At this point you should have colored up to get a 500 Chip)
9=100/25
10=150/25
11=200/25 (At this point you should color up another 500 Chip)

The first shoe as seen in my Excel
Using FLB (follow last winning bet)

Betting BOTH sides

Betting BOTH sides but NOT the first hand


# shoe (end hand - longest run)
FLB (follow the last winning bet)
Bet both (including 1st hand)
Bet both (no bet on 1st hand)

#1 (23 - B5)
8.75
-8.75
-7.50

#2 (13 - P3)
-202.5
-211.25
-210

#3 (18 - P7)
147.5
140
141.25

#4 (21 - B4)
-160
-175
-175

#5 (14 - B9)
467.5
453.75
455

summary First 5 shoes
265
197.75
203.75
Nice
The long streaks pulled out a net win.
Not $200 per shoe average but more than $1

#6 (22 - P4)
-202.5
-212.5
-211.25

#7 (20 - P5)
-52.5
-60
-58.75

#8 (20 - B5)
-82.5
-93.75
-93.75

#9 (21 - B4)
-33.75
-46.25
-46.25

#10 (21 - B3)
-158.75
-172.5
-172.5

summary First 10 shoes
-265
-387.25
-378.75

summary

-1063.75 , follow last bet!
-1448.5 , player v method
-1426.5 , player v method
29 shoes including the first 10 of the Wizards


the 19 shoes that player v posted
-795 FLB (bet only the same as the last winning bet)
-1062.25 (bet both sides)
-1047.5 (bet both sides but never the first hand)
19 shoes

Notice the BIG difference between betting both sides and paying more commissions
verses just following the last winning bet and no bet the other side.

Excellent results player v!
more to post in that thread
again, the casino loves player v!

Have Fun!
Sally
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October 30th, 2013 at 5:18:48 PM permalink
Quote: mustangsally

very nice miplet

I did the same in Excel using
bet both on hand one,
bet 0 on hand one if they did not have to bet as that Bac player mentioned and
what I call FLB, follow last bet - bet last winning hand only. to alternate between the winning side. the other side no bets.

I have all the results for his shoes he posted along with the first 10 shoes in the
Wizard's 1k 8 deck collection as that Bac player "v" said to look into to test his system.

I can post later in that thread all my results

Here is the results for the first 10 wizard 8 deck shoe
Miplet's page results matched my Excel results of -8.75 :)
Just FLB produced a win of 8.75
Not betting the first hand but both sides after the first net -7.50

That Bac player (call him v, I like his wife and the cat!)
said he won $25 minus commission and the commission is not to even be considered.
he thinks nothing of that small 5% Banker fee!
The casino loves him!

I used player v posted progression to 12 bets
0=25/25
1=50/25
2=75/25
3=50/25 (at this point you are betting strictly Casino Profits)
4=75/25
5=100/25
6=125/25
7=150/25
8=200/25 (At this point you should have colored up to get a 500 Chip)
9=100/25
10=150/25
11=200/25 (At this point you should color up another 500 Chip)

The first shoe as seen in my Excel
Using FLB (follow last winning bet)

Betting BOTH sides

Betting BOTH sides but NOT the first hand


# shoe (end hand - longest run)
FLB (follow the last winning bet)
Bet both (including 1st hand)
Bet both (no bet on 1st hand)

#1 (23 - B5)
8.75
-8.75
-7.50

#2 (13 - P3)
-202.5
-211.25
-210

#3 (18 - P7)
147.5
140
141.25

#4 (21 - B4)
-160
-175
-175

#5 (14 - B9)
467.5
453.75
455

summary First 5 shoes
265
197.75
203.75
Nice
The long streaks pulled out a net win.
Not $200 per shoe average but more than $1

#6 (22 - P4)
-202.5
-212.5
-211.25

#7 (20 - P5)
-52.5
-60
-58.75

#8 (20 - B5)
-82.5
-93.75
-93.75

#9 (21 - B4)
-33.75
-46.25
-46.25

#10 (21 - B3)
-158.75
-172.5
-172.5

summary First 10 shoes
-265
-387.25
-378.75

summary

-1063.75 , follow last bet!
-1448.5 , player v method
-1426.5 , player v method
29 shoes including the first 10 of the Wizards


the 19 shoes that player v posted
-795 FLB (bet only the same as the last winning bet)
-1062.25 (bet both sides)
-1047.5 (bet both sides but never the first hand)
19 shoes

Notice the BIG difference between betting both sides and paying more commissions
verses just following the last winning bet and no bet the other side.

Excellent results player v!
more to post in that thread
again, the casino loves player v!

Have Fun!
Sally



if you are talking about the Player v correct way then I would suggest using the proper figures.
1) betting progression starting at:

0 > bet = 25
1 > bet = 50
2 > bet = 75
3 > bet = 50
4 > bet = 75
5 > bet = 100
6 > bet = 125
7 > bet = 150
8 > bet = 200
9 > bet = 100
10 > bet = 150
11 > bet = 200

2) Hand limit = 20

Example: PBBPPPBBBTBBBTPPPBPB

Special Thank you to Wizard for the awesome amount of shoes provided as I will be making a $400 Donation to the Food Bank on behalf of the members in this thread.

Thank you for providing the Exact information I've been looking for.
I new you guys could do it!!!!!

any members continuing to work on this Baccarat project:
Please email me directly (arv_kit_varmenti@hotmail.com) or Call 289-932-9270 if you would also like a contribution to this project (Be sure to include Payment method) I will gladly compensate for your time.
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October 30th, 2013 at 5:40:04 PM permalink
Fly on the wall at that food bank to see if $400 comes in?
Anyone gonna test his system with these shoes?
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October 30th, 2013 at 5:46:50 PM permalink
Quote: mustangsally

I used player v posted progression to 12 bets
0=25/25
1=50/25
2=75/25
3=50/25 (at this point you are betting strictly Casino Profits)
4=75/25
5=100/25
6=125/25
7=150/25
8=200/25 (At this point you should have colored up to get a 500 Chip)
9=100/25
10=150/25
11=200/25 (At this point you should color up another 500 Chip)


Quote: itronix


if you are talking about the Player v correct way then I would suggest using the proper figures.
1) betting progression starting at:
0 > bet = 25
1 > bet = 50
2 > bet = 75
3 > bet = 50
4 > bet = 75
5 > bet = 100
6 > bet = 125
7 > bet = 150
8 > bet = 200
9 > bet = 100
10 > bet = 150
11 > bet = 200

2) Hand limit = 20

Your progression was followed exactly.
Please take the time to look.

Your method of play lost big time over the 29 shoes I ran
(including your shoes you showed)
and also just the 19 shoes you posted in your thread.
Do not worry, I will add all this to your thread soon.

But you have to follow the rules here.
Ignore the haters and show what you do.
But it looks to be too late for that

I will look for you at the Baccarat tables when I'm on vacation
next year
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mustangsally
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October 30th, 2013 at 5:56:27 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Fly on the wall at that food bank to see if $400 comes in?
Anyone gonna test his system with these shoes?

sure, has been done with other shoes he provided.
that player v example
Example: PBBPPPBBBTBBBTPPPBPB

3 methods of play (FLB = mine)
FLB: $112.5
His method #1: $100
His method #2 no first bet: $100
I win.

When he wins, he wins LESS than just betting the side that won the last hand.
He has already been told this by others.

You can lead a horse to water

Sally
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October 31st, 2013 at 2:46:52 AM permalink
By the way, I changed the 250,000 shoes I link to on my baccarat page. The old ones I maintain are fine, but I redid the simulation using a Fisher Yates shuffling algorithm, which is discussed in another thread.

The 100 I posted here directly remain the same.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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November 1st, 2013 at 5:33:05 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

What makes you say that you don't see streaks like that with real cards? What do you think is different in the way these shoes are generated and real casino shoes?

Do you think you could tell them apart?



I could never tell them apart from real card shoes, except by playing them and and observing the results.

I only completed the first fifteen shoes.

Compared to my real card play, these shoes were mostly smooth and exceptionally profitable.

I would expect a few dogs in fifteen shoes.

Not a single one here.

I would also expect consecutive dogs in fifteen shoes.

I stopped at fifteen because glancing at the patterns of the remaining shoes; I believe they would perform just as well.

I may be mistaken, but in the first twenty shoes, I only detected one chop string as long as PBPBPB

The others were shorter.

I do see shoes and streaks like these with real cards, but not with this consistency.
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November 1st, 2013 at 8:46:18 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

I could never tell them apart from real card shoes, except by playing them and and observing the results.

I only completed the first fifteen shoes.

Compared to my real card play, these shoes were mostly smooth and exceptionally profitable.

I would expect a few dogs in fifteen shoes.

Not a single one here.

I would also expect consecutive dogs in fifteen shoes.

I stopped at fifteen because glancing at the patterns of the remaining shoes; I believe they would perform just as well.

I may be mistaken, but in the first twenty shoes, I only detected one chop string as long as PBPBPB

The others were shorter.

I do see shoes and streaks like these with real cards, but not with this consistency.


Sample size is everything.
Highly doubtful that all of us together have played enough "real life" to compare; additionally, one cannot make a comparison based on the assumption that the first fifteen shoes are indicative of the whole.

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