Baccarat System Challenge
Quote: BuzzardUH OH, what happened to SOOPOO challenge ? Not looking good !
Novice hasn't responded.... maybe he missed it.... around 10 posts ago....
Quote: SOOPOOOk boys and girls, here's my summary.....
Novicegambler (ng) says he 'always' can win $1000 with a $5000 bankroll using a baccarat system he does not want to share with the forum just yet.
He is asking how many succesful trials of this system would make forum members believe he has a system that can actually work in a real casino.
The answer to the second question is that there are no numbers of successful trials that will convince any forum member that a system has been developed that can 'beat' baccarat. That being said, I live not too far from Fallsview, and may be able to make it up there next week, possibly Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday. My weak math skills say you should be able to win $1000 with a $5000 bankroll around 78% of the time, so you would succeed 10 times in a row around 8% of the time. I am willing to bet that you cannot win 10 times in a row. (How long does it take you on average to win your $1000?) So I can multiply that times 10 to get an idea on how much time I may need to commit....
As I am not 100% sure you really are sincere, and if you are, the $1000 I am asking you to mail to either the Wiz or me is just a simple days work at the casino, if you do I will watch you play, and honestly report to the forum your results. I must warn you, even if you succeed, which you will around 1 in 12 times, it will not convince any forum members you have a 'winning system', but rather you were lucky over those ten trials.
So if you are willing to put up the money, I am willing to watch....
What say you?
Quote: SOOPOOOk boys and girls, here's my summary.....
Novicegambler (ng) says he 'always' can win $1000 with a $5000 bankroll using a baccarat system he does not want to share with the forum just yet.
He is asking how many succesful trials of this system would make forum members believe he has a system that can actually work in a real casino.
The answer to the second question is that there are no numbers of successful trials that will convince any forum member that a system has been developed that can 'beat' baccarat. That being said, I live not too far from Fallsview, and may be able to make it up there next week, possibly Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday. My weak math skills say you should be able to win $1000 with a $5000 bankroll around 78% of the time, so you would succeed 10 times in a row around 8% of the time. I am willing to bet that you cannot win 10 times in a row. (How long does it take you on average to win your $1000?) So I can multiply that times 10 to get an idea on how much time I may need to commit....
As I am not 100% sure you really are sincere, and if you are, the $1000 I am asking you to mail to either the Wiz or me is just a simple days work at the casino, if you do I will watch you play, and honestly report to the forum your results. I must warn you, even if you succeed, which you will around 1 in 12 times, it will not convince any forum members you have a 'winning system', but rather you were lucky over those ten trials.
So if you are willing to put up the money, I am willing to watch....
What say you?
Soopoo - If I am not wrong, I had already agreed to meet you while we had a conversation in the PM. You had even said you would try for last Wednesday. Anyways I am ready to meet you and show the play. I am ready to send the $1000 to the Wiz.
Just one question. What is it in for me ? I lose the bet you make $1000.00 and I win the bet still I dont even get any credibility.
My offer for the challenge still remains with someone chosen by the forum t0 come, sign NDA and watch the game and me paying $500 or $1000 to Wiz beforehand. I will take care of accomodation.
Quote: novicegamblerI am ready to send the $1000 to the Wiz.
Will you be using the same service that gr8varmenti used to send the Wizard his $1,000? Heh heh heh... ;)
Quote: novicegamblerIf you guys feel I am fake and I dont belong to the forum say that directly - I would prefer that rather being made to feel unwanted and a nusiance
I'm personally not accusing you of being any other previously banned forum members. However, those claiming to have a way to beat a negative game like baccarat with a betting system are not going to be well received on this site. Your computer simulations should already show you that your system doesn't work.
Since you ask, to be honest, I think you would be better received at John Patrick's forum. Most of us here, including me, don't have much patience for betting system believers. I think it would be better if you just said goodbye and found another forum more friendly to your point of view.
What he said.
All I wanted was to discuss with people about the system that I felt worked. Yes I did a computer simulation which showed me it doesnt work coz I believe I should lose a single hand at all. I never added my profit from one hand to the next as my bankroll, I kept it the same $5000. In my simulation of 8000 shoes I lost around 40 hands while overall I had a profit of $160,000.
I didnt find any other Bacarat test data apart from your 1000 shoes. I just finished running it with both high limits room system and the regular system. I didnt lose a single shoe and my total profit was $277,300. The bankroll was used as per high limits room (min = 100, max = 15,000, bankroll = 25,000 )
While the regular baccarat system gave a profit of $48,100 (min = 25, max = 3,000, bankroll = 5000) and no shoe lost.
Quote: WizardI'm personally not accusing you of being any other previously banned forum members. However, those claiming to have a way to beat a negative game like baccarat with a betting system are not going to be well received on this site. Your computer simulations should already show you that your system doesn't work.
Since you ask, to be honest, I think you would be better received at John Patrick's forum. Most of us here, including me, don't have much patience for betting system believers. I think it would be better if you just said goodbye and found another forum more friendly to your point of view.
I understand your position and like I said I am not here to be an earth shaker, I had a system and I thought it works. Anyways one thing has happened for good, all this talk in the forum has definitely motivated me more. I will definitely take up the BlueJay challenge as you no longer offer that yourself. I will take up both the simulation and live casino challenge. And I hope to have a better answer for everyones questions after that. If I lose the challenges I will accept that graciously in the forum.
I will not be leaving the forum. I will still continue to be a member but wont nother anyone anymore with any "system". I will talk again once the challenge is over.
Thanks everyone for your honest opinions. Sorry if I was rude to anyone. Good luck :)
Quote: Beethoven9th
*EDIT: Didn't gr8varmenti also claim that he wins $1,000 per day???? (Not that this means anything, of course...)
LOL
I heard somewhere that everybody at Fallsview
wins $1000 a day,
Quote: novicegambler
I will not be leaving the forum. I will still continue to be a member
Are you giving odds on that?
Quote: Beethoven9thSomeone should book bets about another new bac player (with a system!) showing up here. lol
Varmenti has three votes on the model thread. That bookie better be offering good odds.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: Beethoven9th
*EDIT: Didn't gr8varmenti also claim that he wins $1,000 per day???? (Not that this means anything, of course...)
LOL
I heard somewhere that everybody at Fallsview
wins $1000 a day,
True I heard the same :)
Quote: mipletNote to self: don't go to JP's forum. I just read a thread where he recommends surrendering 17 v Ten. Made my head spin because in his logic he assumes the dealer can flip over an ace in the hole. Wait, does any casino in Nevada offer early surrender?
Thanks for the advice :)
Skype: novice.gambler
Email: novicegambler@gmail.com
Quote: EvenBobQuote: Beethoven9th
*EDIT: Didn't gr8varmenti also claim that he wins $1,000 per day???? (Not that this means anything, of course...)
LOL
I heard somewhere that everybody at Fallsview
wins $1000 a day,
Luckily they have 3 rich Americans that lose 143,000 daily, so Casino is slightly ahead each day.
Quote: novicegamblerI havent been long enough in this forum to dispute you guys, nor do I have the knowledge WOO to challenge his maths.
But I will say something honestly that I don't know why people here in the forum don't like to hear about a system if it doesnt go according to prababilities and and all the maths equations.
I have played my system multiple times and never lost. I have made $1000 during each session of my play. I have been observing and writing down the data for multiple tables everyday and my system HAS NEVER FAILED YET. If this defies maths then so be it. But like I said I am not stupid enough not to understand the imporatance of maths, and I am very much open to show it to people who have doubts about the system.
I have always been open to debates and even in my first thread I was looking for peoples comments to debate and talk.
If you type enough posts you will eventually go back to your roots and show who you really are.
I also like how this alter ego worked for IBM. Maybe the next one will work for Apple.
Quote: Beethoven9thLOL...that one slipped right by me. Just watch, the next bac guy will work for Apple. :)
haha I typed my above post before I got to this comment.
Quote: novicegamblerThanks for an honest answer.
All I wanted was to discuss with people about the system that I felt worked. Yes I did a computer simulation which showed me it doesnt work coz I believe I should lose a single hand at all. I never added my profit from one hand to the next as my bankroll, I kept it the same $5000. In my simulation of 8000 shoes I lost around 40 hands while overall I had a profit of $160,000.
I didnt find any other Bacarat test data apart from your 1000 shoes. I just finished running it with both high limits room system and the regular system. I didnt lose a single shoe and my total profit was $277,300. The bankroll was used as per high limits room (min = 100, max = 15,000, bankroll = 25,000 )
While the regular baccarat system gave a profit of $48,100 (min = 25, max = 3,000, bankroll = 5000) and no shoe lost.
so you have a high limit system and a $25 system. Wouldn't it be funny if the high limit one was the same thing as the $25 one except he didn't hedge his bet.
I know your thinking, Axel don't believe anyone can beat the casinos, it's impossible and nothing will ever convince him. That's simply not true. I will be the first one to say ANY game can be beaten given the right situation. Just not with some wacky voodoo method, I mean bet selection, trending and money management.
I will probably need less convincing your system works then most. Only because if it was working consistently over and over day in and day out, I would believe some type of improper card shuffling or procedure was at work.
I Should have explained: if you REALLY are not in it for the MONEY because your Bill Gates then you should absolutely show your system. Yes you should! yes, yes, yes
Why do you even talk about money or how much your system makes or what kind of bankroll you have? You don't need money? You tossed out some small bankroll numbers you use when playing Baccarat. You don't need any money to prove your system works. You could use peanuts and a web cam.
I know your thinking, Axel don't believe anyone can beat the casinos, it's impossible and nothing will ever convince him. That's simply not true. I will be the first one to say ANY game can be beaten given the right situation. Just not with some wacky voodoo method, I mean bet selection, trending and money management.
I will probably need less convincing you system works then most. Only because if it was working consistently over and over day in and day out, I would believe some type of improper card shuffling or procedure was at work.
I Should have explained: if you REALLY are not in it for the MONEY because your Bill Gates then you should absolutely show your system. Yes you should! yes, yes, yes
Why do you even talk about money or how much your system makes or what kind of bankroll you have? You don't need money? You tossed out some small bankroll numbers you use when playing Baccarat. You don't need any money to prove your system works. You could use peanuts and a web cam.
Quote: novicegambler@GWAE - I understand that its tough to belive I work at IBM.
Tough? LOL! That's one word to describe it. No
tougher than believing Vince worked for Microsoft..
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1024&bih=598&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ibm+employee+id+card&oq=ibm+employee+&gs_l=img.3.0.0l5j0i24l5.12726.16190.0.17355.17.10.4.3.3.0.182.726.9j1.10.0....0...1c.1.29.img..1.16.736.iCLq_8N9SQ4
and become an Intel employee on your next name.
Quote: AxelWolfNoviceRambler. I stand behind both my statements. I do believe if you had a, REAL SYSTEM THAT REALLY DID WORK, you would be an Idiot to not exploit it first, but you DON'T, that's the problem YOU DO NOT have a winning system period. that's why I think you should show it.
I know your thinking, Axel don't believe anyone can beat the casinos, it's impossible and nothing will ever convince him. That's simply not true. I will be the first one to say ANY game can be beaten given the right situation. Just not with some wacky voodoo method, I mean bet selection, trending and money management.
I will probably need less convincing you system works then most. Only because if it was working consistently over and over day in and day out, I would believe some type of improper card shuffling or procedure was at work.
I Should have explained: if you REALLY are not in it for the MONEY because your Bill Gates then you should absolutely show your system. Yes you should! yes, yes, yes
Why do you even talk about money or how much your system makes or what kind of bankroll you have? You don't need money? You tossed out some small bankroll numbers you use when playing Baccarat. You don't need any money to prove your system works. You could use peanuts and a web cam.
Okays. I understand what you said :)
Quote: GWAEyou could go here
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1024&bih=598&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ibm+employee+id+card&oq=ibm+employee+&gs_l=img.3.0.0l5j0i24l5.12726.16190.0.17355.17.10.4.3.3.0.182.726.9j1.10.0....0...1c.1.29.img..1.16.736.iCLq_8N9SQ4
and become an Intel employee on your next name.
All my pictures have a custom message in the same frame. I will upload one tomoro morning with a mesage to you. :)
Quote: GWAEso you have a high limit system and a $25 system. Wouldn't it be funny if the high limit one was the same thing as the $25 one except he didn't hedge his bet.
It is really very funny :)
Quote: thecesspitI'm waiting for someone to claim they work for CGI....
I am waiting tooo :)
Quote: novicegamblerAll my pictures have a custom message in the same frame. I will upload one tomoro morning with a mesage to you. :)
I am not sure what you think your photos prove though. No one is doubting that you are indeed a real person who is working a computer. I personally don't care if you are indeed varmenti, what I do care about is this ludicrous thread where you say you have a system but don't want to share it. You say you don't care about making money, but you still don't want to give it out. You say you will only be playing for a short period of time, yet you still don't want to give it out. If you actually had a system that worked then you should be more than willing to give it out so we could all take down our local casinos. Again, this thread is complete BS.
I actually feel that the mods should shut down idiotic threads such as this one. Threads like this one add NO value to this forum and in fact may even take credibility away from an otherwise great forum.
I don't agree. Playing a system (I here assume it exists, forgive the thought experiment) may be a very boring experience. For example, I know a surefire winning system: you clean up the casino and, yup, you get paid every week. Would you do it?Quote: AxelWolfNoviceRambler. I stand behind both my statements. I do believe if you had a, REAL SYSTEM THAT REALLY DID WORK, you would be an Idiot to not exploit it first,
In the same spirit, some system (like counting in BJ) could be working, yet too boring to actually spend your time on it. Especially if your job is more interesting and more rewarding.
Time management is more important than money management.
Why? I can see reasons not to. 1) If he exploits some casino's fault. 2) He doesn't want the flaming. 3)It is based on hunches and cannot be described in words or written in code. Etc.Quote: AxelWolfI Should have explained: if you REALLY are not in it for the MONEY because you're Bill Gates then you should absolutely show your system. Yes you should! yes, yes, yes!
Exactly. Stop mentioning money. We're talking systems, hence math.Quote: AxelWolfYou don't need any money to prove your system works. You could use peanuts and a web cam.
Speaking money is the best way to commit biasing errors, like overestimating the percentage of time you're winning (or losing, according to the person).
Quote: GWAEThreads like this one add NO value to this forum and in fact may even take credibility away from an otherwise great forum.
Exactly. And I found it amazing in the "Discussion" thread last week when some members (whom I doubt keep up with the bac threads) were actually claiming that gr8player, varmenti et al. were being "bullied". I was speechless. These bac guys are no different from Flat Earthers.
Quote: novicegamblerMission146 - Why do you feel like that ?
It's all about feelings. They feel as though they have predictive powers; I feel as though I am going to puke.
Quote: GWAEno point discussing anything in this thread since it is Friday.
Ah, good call! I almost forgot! The bac talk always comes to a screeching halt on Fridays.
Quote: EdgeLookerNovicegambler should post pics of himself counting money, a picture of a car he recently bought with his casino winnings and pictures of his cat, lol.
I am a poor guy who doesnt have a car, or cat or even ten dollars in his wallet
Quote: GWAEno point discussing anything in this thread since it is Friday.
TGIF :)
Quote: GWAEI am not sure what you think your photos prove though. No one is doubting that you are indeed a real person who is working a computer. I personally don't care if you are indeed varmenti, what I do care about is this ludicrous thread where you say you have a system but don't want to share it. You say you don't care about making money, but you still don't want to give it out. You say you will only be playing for a short period of time, yet you still don't want to give it out. If you actually had a system that worked then you should be more than willing to give it out so we could all take down our local casinos. Again, this thread is complete BS.
I actually feel that the mods should shut down idiotic threads such as this one. Threads like this one add NO value to this forum and in fact may even take credibility away from an otherwise great forum.
+1
I will also accept it was a mistake creating this thread. I will voice GWAE's thought as well - "feel that the mods should shut down idiotic threads such as this one. Threads like this one add NO value to this forum and in fact may even take credibility away from an otherwise great forum"
Quote: Beethoven9thAh, good call! I almost forgot! The bac talk always comes to a screeching halt on Fridays.Quote: GWAEno point discussing anything in this thread since it is Friday.
Amazing how a post shows up just 37 minutes after you made that observation. ;)
Quote: Beethoven9thAmazing how a post shows up just 37 minutes after you made that observation. ;)
I guess you should check my past posts and their timings too. I only post on forum after I am back from work. So usually around 5pm till 3am. :)
Quote: kubikulannI don't agree. Playing a system (I here assume it exists, forgive the thought experiment) may be a very boring experience. For example, I know a surefire winning system: you clean up the casino and, yup, you get paid every week. Would you do it?
In the same spirit, some system (like counting in BJ) could be working, yet too boring to actually spend your time on it. Especially if your job is more interesting and more rewarding.
Time management is more important than money management.
Why? I can see reasons not to. 1) If he exploits some casino's fault. 2) He doesn't want the flaming. 3)It is based on hunches and cannot be described in words or written in code. Etc.
Exactly. Stop mentioning money. We're talking systems, hence math.
Speaking money is the best way to commit biasing errors, like overestimating the percentage of time you're winning (or losing, according to the person).
kubikulann - True that its very very boring and monotonous. I feel playing craps gives me the thrill and fun I am looking for in the casino
Its probably casino's fault coz I feel the Casino can easily change few things to stop the system from being affective (I am not 100% sure). But lke I mentioned there is nothing illegal or cheating involved in the system.
I defintely don't want the heat from the casino. I had a nice conversation with SOPOO over Skype yesterday and I mentioned to him as well. I might be here for few more months I dont want to lose the opportunity to go to the Casino. The day I am 100% sure that the Casino won't change anything that affects the system or I wont face any heat from the Casino I would post my System for debate. If I am not sure I will wait till I catch the flight back to home before posting it
:)
Quote: Beethoven9thAmazing how a post shows up just 37 minutes after you made that observation. ;)
Some people just like to talk and talk without substance. If someone doesnt show up on Friday then - oh he is missing on friday. If the peron then replies - oh he is replying coz we just said so
Yep, and this is actually the first Friday you've ever posted here. And it occurred 37 minutes after you perceived that another member's post was directed at you. ;)
Quote:What a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away....
Quote: Beethoven9th^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yep, and this is actually the first Friday you've ever posted here. And it occurred 37 minutes after you perceived that another member's post was directed at you. ;)
novicegambler
Member since: Oct 12, 2013
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Its just been two weeks I joined
It was a Saturday
Last Friday like I said I was in a hospital helping a frnd
And this friday, here I am posting
:)
