Baccarat Partner Betting
Quote: GWAEI am bowing out of this thread. You don't listen to reason and you have to many inconsistencies. I don' for a second believe a casino allows you to play multiple tables with other people playing.
They don't, never seen one that does. In Vegas
they'll kick you out for doing it. Local casinos will
pull your bets if they catch you and back you off
if you keep doing it. In Canada I have no idea
if it's allowed or not.
Quote: GWAEI am bowing out of this thread. You don't listen to reason and you have to many inconsistencies. I don' for a second believe a casino allows you to play multiple tables with other people playing. You would slow the game down and the casino wouldn't allow it. Maybe you do but either way I am done with this thread.
well thank you for your interest GWAE maybe we'll meetup same time Next year.
Quote: EvenBobThey don't, never seen one that does. In Vegas
they'll kick you out for doing it. Local casinos will
pull your bets if they catch you and back you off
if you keep doing it. In Canada I have no idea
if it's allowed or not.
Just come on down to FallsView Casino, Niagara Falls, Ontario Canada and enjoy the action if you "Have to See it, To Believe it"
Actually from going to the casino everyday I do notice the same faces every day many asians, all seam to know one another and they never run out of money,I know when I sit with them at the tables, I see their betting styles are sideways but there are 3 different ways to play sideways and only one way to play vertical, but anyway, Maybe there is already a team of asian players "doin' their thang" at the tables, as I sit here just thinking about it.
Here is the layout of the Baccarat Tables, 7 players can cover all the tables and never miss a hand. Tables are all right next to each other and sitting in one chair you are still able to reach bets from both tables.
gr8varmenti,Quote: gr8varmentiHere is the layout of the Baccarat Tables, 7 players can cover all the tables and never miss a hand.
When you play multiple tables, don't you worry about leaving your money at each table when you're playing at another one??
Quote: Beethoven9thgr8varmenti,
When you play multiple tables, don't you worry about leaving your money at each table when you're playing at another one??
I never worry about that because even though dealers are not held responsible, the Cameras always have an eye on everything.
if your worried about leaving a couple hundred in chips, you can simply ask for a Lammer placed on your playing spot and leave your players Card and scorecard there, trust me know one will touch anything.
The Paired tables you are right there playing spot 1 on table 1 and spot 8 on table 2, just the triple tables, I usually just play like that when its not busy in the morning.
Quote: EvenBobThey don't, never seen one that does. In Vegas
they'll kick you out for doing it. Local casinos will
pull your bets if they catch you and back you off
if you keep doing it. In Canada I have no idea
if it's allowed or not.
There is a rule many dealers can follow and that is, If you're not present at the table, lets say you place a bet and then walk half way across the room, they have the right to pull your bets before the Final call for bets.
If the room is quiet then they don't say much.
Quote: PaboSo, varmenti's progressed from playing two spots at one table to playing multiple tables. What's next, playing multiple casinos?
Hey networking is beautiful, if it makes you money and your Positive attitude stays afloat, why not share. Casino's have lots of money and My wins are a small drop in the bucket.
Quote: varmentiHey networking is beautiful, if it makes you money and your Positive attitude stays afloat, why not share. Casino's have lots of money and My wins are a small drop in the bucket.
True, playing multiple positions at one table, or even playing multiple positions at two or three tables can increase your wins. Keep in mind, however, that it cannot and will not change your exposure to the house edge. If anything, it increases your exposure to the house edge. Therefore, while you may win more money playing two or more positions, you are just as likely to lose more money more quickly.
ADDDENDUM: Of course, I could explain why this is using logic and math, but you have stated previously that you don't care about either, so I'm not going to waste my time.
Quote: ontariodealerit is allowed here.
It's not allowed in any casino in Vegas and it
will get you yelled at and tossed if they catch
you a few times.
Quote: EvenBobIt's not allowed in any casino in Vegas and it
will get you yelled at and tossed if they catch
you a few times.
It's not a big deal, I was just looking at a bigger picture. When I go to Vegas next month I'll keep that in mind. I appreciate you mentioning this so now I know.
Quote: bahdbwoywhy do i keep clicking on this thread
Because you want to play baccarat man. Don't be shy, Beethovan9th lives here. He is my teacher.
Because you can't wait to see what kind of foolish thing may come out of someones mouth.Quote: bahdbwoywhy do I keep clicking on this thread
Quote: PaboTrue, playing multiple positions at one table, or even playing multiple positions at two or three tables can increase your wins. Keep in mind, however, that it cannot and will not change your exposure to the house edge. If anything, it increases your exposure to the house edge. Therefore, while you may win more money playing two or more positions, you are just as likely to lose more money more quickly.
ADDDENDUM: Of course, I could explain why this is using logic and math, but you have stated previously that you don't care about either, so I'm not going to waste my time.
Pabo, do you want the truth, The truth is Casinos can not predict or control the streaks in Baccarat, It's as close to 50/50 as it gets, But they have to charge something to pay for the dealers and their bills. so they took that 1% edge and made it 5% for the house on the Banker side.
Truth is, they want us to win too ya know, because 75% of the shoes dealt are losing shoes and 25% are winners. In the Game of Baccarat, there has to be winners regardless of the house edge. Baccarat has no house edge if the shoes happen to deal Player 13 times in a row or banker 15 times in a row.
It's the luck of the gambler to be there at the right time to cash in on the 25% winning tables.
there are casinos offering 0 commission Baccarat, but if Banker comes up 7, it loses, or something like that.
Quote: AxelWolfBecause you can't wait to see what kind of foolish thing may come out of someones mouth.
AxelWolf, it costs only 49.00 to fly to buffalo NY, from anywhere in the US, why don't you fly down for the weekend and watch the Master and see how it's done with your own eyes. I'll even treat you to a complimentary buffet. you have my cell number, give me a call, You don't have to go to Atlantic city to watch the "Teacher" when you can Watch the "Master"
Quote: EvenBobIt's not allowed in any casino in Vegas and it
will get you yelled at and tossed if they catch
you a few times.
this isn't vegas and the bacc action here is huge.
Quote: ontariodealerthis isn't vegas and the bacc action here is huge.
I must say ontariodealer, Back in 1998 at Casino Niagara they only had about 8-10 baccarat tables and Two full bac tables in the high roller room, But I will agree with you, the Baccarat pit here is very awesome along with the High roller Baccarat room. Oh by the way I know about the new Mini bac tourney next month, but the VIP host also informed me that in Feb. 2014 they are having a Larger full Bac tourny.
I don't agree with the prize configurations though, I think they should re think the winning structure.
168 players
1 rebuy per player
entry fee 250
2500 in chips
that all good.
But 7th place just to win your money back,
8th-49th place to win 100 out of your buy in, and we all know about hitting bad tables 99% of the players will rebuy.
(you have to beat 160 players just to get your entry fee back)
Varmenti joined 19 days ago. As of yesterday, he averaged 22.94 posts a day. At about 10 pm est yesterday he had 413 posts. It hasn't been 24 hours yet and he is up to 459. that's 46 posts in less then 24 hours. yikes. He lives here. At this rate, if he will be here as long as Bob, we can look forward to ------------drum roll----------- over 54k in posts. The guy lives here. no time for gambling.
Quote: terapinedThe King poster on this board is upping the stakes big time.
Varmenti joined 19 days ago. As of yesterday, he averaged 22.94 posts a day. At about 10 pm est yesterday he had 413 posts. It hasn't been 24 hours yet and he is up to 459
Hey terapined, that tells you that Yes! Baccarat is Popular in this forum and deserves more recognition as many other members are posting not only to view but asking questions and that's awesome!!!
Don't worry terapined, in another 30 minutes My wife and I are going Back to the Casino for Buffet Dinner and maybe check out some Baccarat Tables. I'll bring my bankroll just in case.
I would never go so far out of my way just to watch a system. I know will fail eventuality. Also that comment about foolish comments was not directed at you it was intended for everyone posting in this thread. If you're not brome come come November there is a good chance I'll meet up with you in vegas.Quote: varmentiAxelWolf, it costs only 49.00 to fly to buffalo NY, from anywhere in the US, why don't you fly down for the weekend and watch the Master and see how it's done with your own eyes. I'll even treat you to a complimentary buffet. you have my cell number, give me a call, You don't have to go to Atlantic city to watch the "Teacher" when you can Watch the "Master"
Quote: AxelWolfI would never go so far out of my way just to watch a system. I know will fail eventuality. Also that comment about foolish comments was not directed at you it was intended for everyone posting in this thread. If you're not brome come come November there is a good chance I'll meet up with you in vegas.
My wife and I expected to leave for Vegas for a couple months on November 20th but we signed up for the Baccarat Tournament here for November 24th, but yea, we can definitely meet up in Vegas, She prefers Fremont street over the strip. but yea, let me know of some nice "Not Too Busy" Baccarat places to check out in the meantime. any tables from $5.00 to $25.00 is perfect.
Don't fool yourself the popularity of this thread has nothing to do with baccarat or that people like your systems or even you. It's popular only because people like watching train wrecks.Quote: varmentiHey terapined, that tells you that Yes! Baccarat is Popular in this forum and deserves more recognition as many other members are posting not only to view but asking questions and that's awesome!!!
Don't worry terapined, in another 30 minutes My wife and I are going Back to the Casino for Buffet Dinner and maybe check out some Baccarat Tables. I'll bring my bankroll just in case.
Quote: AxelWolfDon't fool yourself the popularity of this thread has nothing to do with baccarat or that people like your systems or even you. It's popular only because people like watching train wrecks.
Absolutely. In fact, Varmenti knows all most nothing about bac,
who is he kidding. Himself, obviously.
Quote: bahdbwoywhy do i keep clicking on this thread
Because it's like a train wreck. :D
(EDIT: I just saw that AxelWolf already said the same thing. Damn.)
Quote: varmenti...let me know of some nice "Not Too Busy" Baccarat places to check out in the meantime. any tables from $5.00 to $25.00 is perfect.
Hey gr8varmenti, this is Vegas, not Ontario. Good luck finding $5.00 baccarat. LOL
Quote: EvenBobThey don't, never seen one that does. In Vegas
they'll kick you out for doing it. Local casinos will
pull your bets if they catch you and back you off
if you keep doing it. In Canada I have no idea
if it's allowed or not.
It's allowed in that pit. I've seen it. I've seen people play a hand of Pai Gow, play a hand of Bac, play a hand of Sic Bo, and then back to another table.
And they have $15 Pai Gow and Bacarrat over in the Asian pit, during the day. The asian pit, IIRC consists of a pile of tables. In the middle is 4 PGP (2 Ez, 1 Emporer, 1 Fortune), 2 PGTile, and the SicBo. There are four more PGP / Tile games on the wall. The rest of the games in the enclosed pit, around 10-12 of them at least, are Mini-Bac. Varmenti can confirm.
And OD is right, the action is huge and fluid, meaning that that a hot game will attract rows of players, about 20-30, standing around a table, seeing a streak of banker, and all leaving when player shows up, then moving to another table. There is crazy screaming and yelling. It's a nuthouse, fun to be around. Because alot of Asians live in the burbs in and around Toronto, Safeway tours runs dozens of buses all around the clock that will take you to the casino (return) for no more than $10. And because Rama (the other close) is too far north, FallsView IS the place for Asians to gamble.
Quote: ontariodealeryou guys are embarrassing yourselves with your lack of knowledge. The bacc and pai gow action here is huge. You will never see anything lower than $25...you know you can find lower in lv.
Just curious, do YOU know where bac is lower than $25 in Vegas?
Quote: ontariodealerstation casino's for one.
Yes, that is correct, but I don't even think they offer $5.00 bac. I think gr8varmenti was under the impression that sub-$25 bac is common in Vegas, and it most definitely is not.
Quote: boymimboIt's allowed in that pit. I've seen it. I've seen people play a hand of Pai Gow, play a hand of Bac, play a hand of Sic Bo, and then back to another table. FallsView IS the place for Asians to gamble.
I will concur. When a ladyfriend and I, also caucasian, sat at a Pai Gow Tiles table in the "Asian Pit" the pit boss politely told us we were sitting at the wrong table! When I explained that we knew the game, they welcomed us warmly. That pit was certainly over 90% Asian the few times I've been there. Only having the Rio to compare it to, I'd say the Fallsview is 5 times as active as the Rio in the Asian games area.
In Brussels, they let you do it. I remember a woman trotting up and down between a Bacc table, two roulette tables and (yes!) a Caribbean Stud table.Quote: EvenBob(Multiple tables) In Vegas
they'll kick you out for doing it. Local casinos will
pull your bets if they catch you and back you off
if you keep doing it. In Canada I have no idea
if it's allowed or not.
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Session 12 result: +$105.00
Running total: -$470.00
Session 12 notes: This was a hand-dealt session.
Session 13
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Session 13 result: +3.75
Running total: -$466.25
Session 14
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Session 14 result: -$91.25
Running total: -$557.50
Quote: EvenBobAbsolutely. In fact, Varmenti knows all most nothing about bac,
who is he kidding. Himself, obviously.
This is exactly why my methods work to perfection in the Casino, because it gives the impression of stupid play thus making everyone think I'm like some kind of Martingale player and they Laugh at it, Dealers, Supervisors, Pit Bosses, Even the Top Dog running Day to Day Operations along with other spectators will drop by and watch me play and they all shake their heads laughing in their head.
But only a small handful of Baccarat players who actually sit down and actually play utilizing my methods will understand why it works so well.
So I've already convinced EvenBob from just reading this quote. and many will believe 100% the same thing.
This is proof that my methods work Perfect.
Quote: rob45Session 12
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Session 12 result: +$105.00
Running total: -$470.00
Session 12 notes: This was a hand-dealt session.
Session 13
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Session 13 result: +3.75
Running total: -$466.25
Session 14
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Session 14 result: -$91.25
Running total: -$557.50
Rob just looking at these sessions looks like you're either running a bad luck of deals or you're not playing with the rules of Baccarat.
these are all Bad.
Quote: terapinedvarmenti reminds me of a certain poker player that was at my table once. He was terrible. He would buy in for a 100, lose it, tell the dealer to hold the seat, hit the ATM, and come back with another 100. This happened 5 times. I bided my time and got a chance to get doubled up. I hit trips, he makes a big raise, I go all in, he says "You got trips? I call" He shows 2 pair. I win. He knows what I had and yet he still calls with a lower hand. Anyway, this is the part that reminds me of varmenti. He leaves, hits the ATM, comes back with another 100 and so he has a stack of chips in front of him. His wife swings by the table and asks how he is doing, he points to his stack and says "see, got a pile of chips in front of me, I'm doing great" LOL He's down over 500.
Back when I played Texas Holdem Poker at The River Rock Casino Poker room Upstairs every night back in 2005, I thought I knew the game, but Yea that would be me, I lost my shirt at Texas Holdem Poker. As much as I Love the game, I can not afford it, losing 300-500 per day.
No one can ever master that Skill game in just a couple months. Skill develops over time. But not for this guy.
OR you are just getting real luckyQuote: varmentiQuote: rob45Session 12
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Session 12 result: +$105.00
Running total: -$470.00
Session 12 notes: This was a hand-dealt session.
Session 13
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Session 13 result: +3.75
Running total: -$466.25
Session 14
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Session 14 result: -$91.25
Running total: -$557.50
Rob just looking at these sessions looks like you're either running a bad luck of deals or you're not playing with the rules of Baccarat.
these are all Bad.
Quote: AxelWolfI would never go so far out of my way just to watch a system. I know will fail eventuality. Also that comment about foolish comments was not directed at you it was intended for everyone posting in this thread. If you're not brome come come November there is a good chance I'll meet up with you in vegas.
That's too bad AxelWolf, you're missing out on a very nice 25.00 min bet Baccarat Room also Very nice High Roller Baccarat Room 100 min bet here.
Quote: djatcI was surprised to see $5 bac at South Point. Then also surprised El Cortez has a $10 minimum. South Point is the way to go for cheap bac.
For those who are interested, they have at the Woodbine Casino, Multi-Player Baccarat Machines all 5.00 Minimum and these machines approx 5 or 6 Multi player Machines Dragon Baccarat.
Quote: AxelWolfOR you are just getting real luckyQuote: varmentiQuote: rob45Session 12
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Session 12 result: +$105.00
Running total: -$470.00
Session 12 notes: This was a hand-dealt session.
Session 13
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Session 13 result: +3.75
Running total: -$466.25
Session 14
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Session 14 result: -$91.25
Running total: -$557.50
Rob just looking at these sessions looks like you're either running a bad luck of deals or you're not playing with the rules of Baccarat.
these are all Bad.
Use my score cards I post on here for more accurate results, these are real games played at the casino.
Quote: terapinedThe King poster on this board is upping the stakes big time.
Varmenti joined 19 days ago. As of yesterday, he averaged 22.94 posts a day. At about 10 pm est yesterday he had 413 posts. It hasn't been 24 hours yet and he is up to 459. that's 46 posts in less then 24 hours. yikes. He lives here. At this rate, if he will be here as long as Bob, we can look forward to ------------drum roll----------- over 54k in posts. The guy lives here. no time for gambling.
No worries terapined, I'll slow down to give the regulars a chance to catch up.
Quote: rob45Session 12
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Session 12 result: +$105.00
Running total: -$470.00
Session 12 notes: This was a hand-dealt session.
Session 13
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Session 13 result: +3.75
Running total: -$466.25
Session 14
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Session 14 result: -$91.25
Running total: -$557.50
It appears your sessions are ending too early. Tie hands shouldn't be counted in the 20 limit if I'm reading the system correctly.
Quote: mipletIt appears your sessions are ending too early. Tie hands shouldn't be counted in the 20 limit if I'm reading the system correctly.
The quotes below are from page 42, posts #417 and #419, and also page 43, post #421.
Quote: varmentiQuote: rob45Tie hands count as a nonevent for betting purposes.
Are Tie hands to be included in the hand count as pertaining to session length (20-hand limit)?
Yes I count them as a hand dealt.
Quote: rob45Quote: varmentiYes I count them as a hand dealt.
Then that is how the sessions will be played.
Quote: rob45The quotes below are from page 42, posts #417 and #419, and also page 43, post #421.
I don't physically count the hands, because the Digital scoreboard at the Casino Shows the total hand count at the corner of the Score board.
What I do is play till Hand 20 appears, then look around to see if any tables are opening and determine win or loss to move tables. sometimes when its hard to get on a new table, I just stay at the original table till a new one opens.
If I'm with my wife, as she plays I will walk around to find next tables to play and put a Lammer on the spots to reserve.
Quote: varmentiFor those who are interested, they have at the Woodbine Casino, Multi-Player Baccarat Machines all 5.00 Minimum and these machines approx 5 or 6 Multi player Machines Dragon Baccarat.
Curious, what are the min and max allowed bets at those bac machines, hey hey?
