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Quote: varmenti
GWAE, it's 5% who cares man. that's negative thinking on your part.
instead try doing the math on the other 95% you win.
big deal you lose 5% of your winnings only when Banker wins. but when Banker wins, you get 95% and that's huge return coming from a 49 /51 game game of Chance.
Thats why this game only has 22 hands because your goal at each table is to make 200 or better. or leave plus or minus after 20 hands.
If you want to make more money simply play the single player way and make probably $500 from this same shoe.
I'd like to just again point out how silly it is to ignore the 5% commision mathematically you have an advanatage on banker without the 5% commision https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/ and I'm sure this has been exploited before but if you are paying a commision you must consider it. I mean you are talking about going from an advantage of 1.5% to a disadvantage of over 1%.
Quote: varmentiGr8Player has been here for 5 years?
I wouldn't be surprised if they've been arguing for decades.
The history includes other message boards, apparently one of which is Gambler's Glen. You can bing it, and it should link you to some of the old posts.
(Actually I'm getting better search results using google, I swear, no joke.)
Quote: TwirdmanI'd like to just again point out how silly it is to ignore the 5% commision mathematically you have an advanatage on banker without the 5% commision https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/ and I'm sure this has been exploited before but if you are paying a commision you must consider it. I mean you are talking about going from an advantage of 1.5% to a disadvantage of over 1%.
Man How about we make it simple and I'll Up my Starting Bank roll to 1100.00 and expect to lose that Hundred every day if not to the Bank for the sake of a tip for the Casino and be done with it.
When you start actually playing the tables and your Bankroll Triples in just a few days, you to will forget about the 5%.
Quote: PaboNo, varmenti, neither he nor you make any sense.
Pabo, if you are interested in the Game of Baccarat simply try my methods at home and you will "Get it"
If you don't actually play then you will never "Get It"
Quote: varmentiMan How about we make it simple and I'll Up my Starting Bank roll to 1100.00 and expect to lose that Hundred every day if not to the Bank for the sake of a tip for the Casino and be done with it.
When you start actually playing the tables and your Bankroll Triples in just a few days, you to will forget about the 5%.
No this just isn't how it works. Take sports betting say I flip a coin to choose teams I will have roughly a 50-50 chance of winning so I would be winning if you counted comps I get and just ignored the vig. But clearly this would not be a winning method. No matter how much money I brought to the casino this method is still a losing method. Bringing 1100 just means you have a bigger bank roll to lose . This is simple math.
Quote: TwirdmanThis is simple math.
That's an oxymoron to Gr8vermenti. Wait, he'll now
think I just called him a moron.
Quote: GWAEQuote: varmentiQuote: GWAEI did find a mistake, but when I fixed it I am only showing a $200 profit. Can you look at my spreadsheet and make a correction. Also, you really need to stop hedging. You seem to be an intelligent person but it is just foolish to give away so much money in commission. Take a look at my table, on the right you will see the way that you play and on the left it is the same thing but by reducing each bet 1 unit. You end up at the same place at the end but you have paid a lot less in commissions. If you are saving $15 per shoe on commissions that would be $150 a night. $300 a day, $2100 a week, $8400 a month, $100k a year. JUST IN COMMISSIONS, are you still going to consider that peanuts or whatever you called it the other day.
GWAE, it's 5% who cares man. that's negative thinking on your part.
instead try doing the math on the other 95% you win.
big deal you lose 5% of your winnings only when Banker wins. but when Banker wins, you get 95% and that's huge return coming from a 49 /51 game game of Chance.
Thats why this game only has 22 hands because your goal at each table is to make 200 or better. or leave plus or minus after 20 hands.
If you want to make more money simply play the single player way and make probably $500 from this same shoe.
It's not negative thinking at all. My math illustrates to you that there is ZERO reason to hedge your bet. I have been following along with you on this thread but you won't admit when you have a mistake and that is a big problem. Can you imagine how much more you would have won by not hedging. You said that you were good at the maths so this should be plain as day to you.
Again, my spreadsheet shows you that hedging makes ZERO difference in the amount of money that you win EXCEPT you pay more in commission which lowers your win rate.
Varmenti, there is nothing wrong with admitting there is a flaw in your system. Isn't that 1 reason that you posted on here in the first place.
Here I will quote this again for you.
I just don't understand how you seem to be intelligent yet you think 5% means nothing. I can get past EVERYTHING else that you have said in this thread but not that. That 5% is such a big deal when you are playing the volume that you are playing. All you have to do is NOT hedge and you will save yourself 100K in a year. The proof is in the math on the chart listed in the reply.
Quote: TwirdmanNo this just isn't how it works. Take sports betting say I flip a coin to choose teams I will have roughly a 50-50 chance of winning so I would be winning if you counted comps I get and just ignored the vig. But clearly this would not be a winning method. No matter how much money I brought to the casino this method is still a losing method. Bringing 1100 just means you have a bigger bank roll to lose . This is simple math.
Did you want to go there for Sports betting? I ran a sports Card shop back in 1989 here in Niagara Falls.
Forget ODDS man, if you know who will beat who then get yourself a handicapper and Bet 25.00 on "The Winning Team and Parley that 25.00 13 times and if it takes you the whole season to pick 13 winning teams, you just earned yourself $100,000.00 from your single 25.00 wager. Oh yea I almost forgot the handicapper usually keeps 10% for the win.
kind of like Banker on Baccarat.
Quote: PaboVarmenti, apparently you have read very few of my responses to your posts. If you had, then you'd know that I do enjoy playing baccarat. I play it recreationally as a break from blackjack and video poker. I understand the game very well. It's not that complicated. Yes, like you and gr8player, I've fooled around with various forms of betting progressions. I've also tried tracking The Big Road, Big Eye Boy, The Small Road, The Cockroach Road, and The Bead Plate in an effort to determine whether Banker or Player or Tie might come up next. But you know what? Not of that stuff really works. It's fun to do, but I'm not about to delude myself into thinking any of it actually works. As I've said earlier, I'm fortunate to be ahead a measly $200 over 5+ years of playing baccarat. It's fun to play, but don't think you've uncovered the Holy Grail to baccarat. You haven't.
to be fair. He has said numerous times in this thread that he knows it won't last forever. However it is working for him right now. However, if he doesn't quit ignoring that 5% he will fail quicker than he would like.
Quote: GWAEto be fair. He has said numerous times in this thread that he knows it won't last forever. However it is working for him right now. However, if he doesn't quit ignoring that 5% he will fail quicker than he would like.
Lets postpone this Post for a later date, ask me this same time next year.
Quote: GWAEQuote: GWAEQuote: varmentiQuote: GWAEI did find a mistake, but when I fixed it I am only showing a $200 profit. Can you look at my spreadsheet and make a correction. Also, you really need to stop hedging. You seem to be an intelligent person but it is just foolish to give away so much money in commission. Take a look at my table, on the right you will see the way that you play and on the left it is the same thing but by reducing each bet 1 unit. You end up at the same place at the end but you have paid a lot less in commissions. If you are saving $15 per shoe on commissions that would be $150 a night. $300 a day, $2100 a week, $8400 a month, $100k a year. JUST IN COMMISSIONS, are you still going to consider that peanuts or whatever you called it the other day.
GWAE, it's 5% who cares man. that's negative thinking on your part.
instead try doing the math on the other 95% you win.
big deal you lose 5% of your winnings only when Banker wins. but when Banker wins, you get 95% and that's huge return coming from a 49 /51 game game of Chance.
Thats why this game only has 22 hands because your goal at each table is to make 200 or better. or leave plus or minus after 20 hands.
If you want to make more money simply play the single player way and make probably $500 from this same shoe.
It's not negative thinking at all. My math illustrates to you that there is ZERO reason to hedge your bet. I have been following along with you on this thread but you won't admit when you have a mistake and that is a big problem. Can you imagine how much more you would have won by not hedging. You said that you were good at the maths so this should be plain as day to you.
Again, my spreadsheet shows you that hedging makes ZERO difference in the amount of money that you win EXCEPT you pay more in commission which lowers your win rate.
Varmenti, there is nothing wrong with admitting there is a flaw in your system. Isn't that 1 reason that you posted on here in the first place.
Here I will quote this again for you.
I just don't understand how you seem to be intelligent yet you think 5% means nothing. I can get past EVERYTHING else that you have said in this thread but not that. That 5% is such a big deal when you are playing the volume that you are playing. All you have to do is NOT hedge and you will save yourself 100K in a year. The proof is in the math on the chart listed in the reply.
I look at that 5% as part of the game, I don't let it concern my methods of play. If I did then I have to include the 25.00 chip I give the waitress everytime she brings My wife and I each a glass of wine and then I have to do that times 3 for every evening I play because I incorporate it in with my gambling sessions. Everytime we hit a run of Six I ask the pitboss to contact a waitress for another order. so far the average tables i'm catching runs of 6 at least 3 times per visit.
As far as tipping. There is no reason in hell to tip a waitress $25. Do you think it makes you look rich or big time. If you are gambling for a living then you should operate like a business. Just take a look at how much you have given away in extra commission and big tips. You would have had enough money to raise your base bet to $50.
Quote: GWAEto be fair. He has said numerous times in this thread that he knows it won't last forever. However it is working for him right now. However, if he doesn't quit ignoring that 5% he will fail quicker than he would like.
Sure, GWAE, I understand your point. But to be fairer, varmenti refuses to acknowlege that there are any flaws in his system. You've tried arguing the 5% commission with him, yourself and he simply doesn't care about it. It's something he refuses to consider. Doesn't care that the razor thin edge he's working with in baccarat is made even thinner by ignoring the 5% commission he's giving up on Banker wins. Doesn't care about the math, the 5%, or anything else. Can't explain why his system should work. No logic, no math, nothing. Rob45 has been testing it with the expected (losing) results, and varmenti's only defense is that rob45 must not be doing it correctly. Somehow, the system only works for varmenti and no one else.
Quote: PaboSure, GWAE, I understand your point. But to be fairer, varmenti refuses to acknowlege that there are any flaws in his system. You've tried arguing the 5% commission with him, yourself and he simply doesn't care about it. It's something he refuses to consider. Doesn't care that the razor thin edge he's working with in baccarat is made even thinner by ignoring the 5% commission he's giving up on Banker wins. Doesn't care about the math, the 5%, or anything else. Can't explain why his system should work. No logic, no math, nothing. Rob45 has been testing it with the expected (losing) results, and varmenti's only defense is that rob45 must not be doing it correctly. Somehow, the system only works for varmenti and no one else.
Don't forget about a $25 tip to the waitress.
And yes you are right. I just hope he knows when to stop when the variance roars its ugly head.
Quote: GWAEDon't forget about a $25 tip to the waitress.
And yes you are right. I just hope he knows when to stop when the variance roars its ugly head.
Ha! yeah, you're right. I forgot about the $25 tip to waitresses. But refuses to tip the baccarat dealer a penny. Neither Canadian nor US.
Quote: PaboHa! yeah, you're right. I forgot about the $25 tip to waitresses. But refuses to tip the baccarat dealer a penny. Neither Canadian nor US.
Baccarat dealers share tips with roulette dealers, they make enough. the waitress has to walk a quarter mile from the Baccarat pit to the bar and back to the baccarat pit to deliver our glasses of wine at the cost of 7.75 each that's 15.50 and when i give her 25.00 its only a 9.50 tip. They deserve it much more than the dealers do from simply pulling cards from a mechanical shoe that already knows what the next hand will be. that;s why they pay the big bucks for those shufflers.
Here is Varmenti's day, get up,post post post post post, eat,post post post post post post, lunch, post post post, dinner, posts about hitting the casino, gets back or was taking a nap, post post post post post post post, hmm, 22 posts for the day, time for bedtime and ready to do it all over again.
Evenbob 12204 posts since 7/18/10. That's about 1177 days. That averages out to 10.36 posts a day.
Our new champ, Varmenti
Just 18 days and a whopping 413 posts.thats 22.94 posts a day. If we have the privilege of having Varmenti company as long as Evenbob has been here, we get to look forward to ....... drum roll........... over 27K posts. This guy is a typing machine. relentless. Come to think of it, the guy lives here, does he really have time for gambling. lol
Quote: GWAEDon't forget about a $25 tip to the waitress.
And yes you are right. I just hope he knows when to stop when the variance roars its ugly head.
Thats why I incorporate the 20 hand limit per table, so I don't go to deep into that Vari whatever that name is.
I hit these Vari-Table 75% of the time throughout the night and believe me I can not get away from them faster.
Quote: GWAEDon't forget about a $25 tip to the waitress.
And yes you are right. I just hope he knows when to stop when the variance roars its ugly head.
Below is the original Betting Card My wife and I used before ordering Wine from waitresses.
Notice at run of 6 instead of betting the 150, we bet 125 and order wine instead.
Quote: varmentiThats why I incorporate the 20 hand limit per table, so I don't go to deep into that Vari whatever that name is.
I hit these Vari-Table 75% of the time throughout the night and believe me I can not get away from them faster.
I have a question why do people who make systems insist on trying to use words they don't understand. Variance isn't something dependent on the table that can be avoided. Saying you avoid variance by switching tables thats like saying I avoid air by crossing the street. If you place a bet anywhere there is a variance associated with that bet and similarly there is variance associated with any sequence of bets.
Quote: GWAEok but you are still not explaining why you think hedging has any benefit at all.
Man I can not answer because I don't know what the damn (hedging) word means.
Quote: varmentiBelow is the original Betting Card My wife and I used before ordering Wine from waitresses.
Notice at run of 6 instead of betting the 150, we bet 125 and order wine instead.
soooooo your glass of wine is actually costing you $50 when your 6th bet wins. Brilliant!!!
Quote: varmentiMan I can not answer because I don't know what the damn (hedging) word means.
Ok I'm sorry this just is impossible to believe given your story. You want us to believe that you've been a pro gambler 25 years and don't know what hedging is. How do you expect us to believe that hedging is one of the most basic terms in gambling and you've never heard it.
Quote: terapinedEvenbob was the champ in my eyes but our new friend Varmenti is demolishing him.
Here is Varmenti's day, get up,post post post post post, eat,post post post post post post, lunch, post post post, dinner, posts about hitting the casino, gets back or was taking a nap, post post post post post post post, hmm, 22 posts for the day, time for bedtime and ready to do it all over again.
Evenbob 12204 posts since 7/18/10. That's about 1177 days. That averages out to 10.36 posts a day.
Our new champ, Varmenti
Just 18 days and a whopping 413 posts.thats 22.94 posts a day. If we have the privilege of having Varmenti company as long as Evenbob has been here, we get to look forward to ....... drum roll........... over 27K posts. This guy is a typing machine. relentless. Come to think of it, the guy lives here, does he really have time for gambling. lol
I agree with you and so does my wife next to me, she says I spend way too much time on here.
My normal day before joining the forum was, wake up 9am, shower, go to casino 9:45am, 6 brand new shoes start 10am, play 6 shoes win or lose leave the pit and go to players club to get lunch comp usually around 2:30 pm, go back to baccarat pit for 3PM tables about to open and play possibly 4 more brand new decks, Win lose leave casino approx 6pm. go home and nap, go back for evening with wife 8PM dinner comps for two, play approx 4 to 5 baccarat shoes and leave casino around midnight.
Since joining the forum, I have been missing my morning sessions at the Casino and Neglecting my wife for attention. I still manage to squeeze in about 5 -10 Games per day. But Post on here all night answering questions.
I have a feeling varmenti might be pawning his computers sooner than he reaches that number of posts...Quote: terapinedJust 18 days and a whopping 413 posts.thats 22.94 posts a day. If we have the privilege of having Varmenti company as long as Evenbob has been here, we get to look forward to ....... drum roll........... over 27K posts.
Quote: teddysI have a feeling varmenti might be pawning his computers sooner than he reaches that number of posts...
Actually, In 6 more days I will be posting Pictures of Me standing in line in the morning at the Apple Store getting ready to purchase the New iPad 5 128GB with Retina Display and Super fast Chip. Yes One for the wife too.
Expected release date is scheduled for October 15th.
Quote: GWAEQuote: varmentiBelow is the original Betting Card My wife and I used before ordering Wine from waitresses.
Notice at run of 6 instead of betting the 150, we bet 125 and order wine instead.
soooooo your glass of wine is actually costing you $50 when your 6th bet wins. Brilliant!!!
Not necessarily. If you look at the other betting card I've made adjustments to compensate that 6th bet win.
Notice bet 7 I bet 150 on the new card as on the old card I cut back to 100.00 thus Making a perfect setup for the 8th win giving us a cool 500.00 Chip after the win occurs.
Quote: varmentiBaccarat dealers share tips with roulette dealers, they make enough. the waitress has to walk a quarter mile from the Baccarat pit to the bar and back to the baccarat pit to deliver our glasses of wine at the cost of 7.75 each that's 15.50 and when i give her 25.00 its only a 9.50 tip. They deserve it much more than the dealers do from simply pulling cards from a mechanical shoe that already knows what the next hand will be. that;s why they pay the big bucks for those shufflers.
Everyone is free to tip whomever he or she wants for whatever reason. Keep in mind, though, that the typical waitress will make far more annually than a typical dealer. Consider also the abuse that dealers rountinely receive from drunks and those customers on a ruinous run of bad luck at the casino. I've talked with both male and female dealers who have been punched, had drinks thrown in their faces, and been threatened with bodily harm by patrons who for blame the dealer for their bad luck. I've yet to hear of a single waitress suffer such abuse.
So, by all means, tip whom you want for whatever reason you want. But don't tip Big Wheel and Roulette dealers for their skill in coming up with the number you want. Doesn't happen.
Quote: IbeatyouracesYou're wrong.
Btw, my initial post has nothing to do with your method of play, just how casinos perceive winners.
I fall in to a low key gambler at the Casino, they don't care to notice a couple of people walking in and making a few hundred per visit.
The game has to have winners, without winners, the Baccarat pit would be the quietest room in the Casino.
They look at my wife and I as a form of advertising the game because we are always happy and cheery enjoying our wine and bring positive energy to attract players to our tables.
Just the other day, there was a gentleman there who also ordered a glass of wine and shortly after losing his money he stood up and said he had more fun hanging out with my wife and I than he did Playing the game.
His buy in was 500 and he lost it in just under 20 minutes of play. Its great that we make people happy to lose their money.
Quote: PaboEveryone is free to tip whomever he or she wants for whatever reason. Keep in mind, though, that the typical waitress will make far more annually than a typical dealer. Consider also the abuse that dealers rountinely receive from drunks and those customers on a ruinous run of bad luck at the casino. I've talked with both male and female dealers who have been punched, had drinks thrown in their faces, and been threatened with bodily harm by patrons who for blame the dealer for their bad luck. I've yet to hear of a single waitress suffer such abuse.
So, by all means, tip whom you want for whatever reason you want. But don't tip Big Wheel and Roulette dealers for their skill in coming up with the number you want. Doesn't happen.
Pabo, I don't want to go off topic but the roulette and big six dealers make good tips and they split with all the dealers. Trust me man, I ask for 10 white chips and put the dealers in the game when I play those games. I haven't touched roulette in over 13years.
I was there 16hrs a day back then, I see the big Huge Bin they fill when emptying there tips from the tables. Holy crap, it's a lot of Chips. Blacks, Greens, Many reds, but very little white chips because they color up before dropping their tips.
Trust me Pabo, Don't waste your money tipping Baccarat Dealers. Many dealers are happy to see us sitting at their table because we speak english and we brighten their day.
Quote: GWAEQuote: varmentiBelow is the original Betting Card My wife and I used before ordering Wine from waitresses.
Notice at run of 6 instead of betting the 150, we bet 125 and order wine instead.
soooooo your glass of wine is actually costing you $50 when your 6th bet wins. Brilliant!!!
Keep in mind that there are some days we may achieve our goal of $200.00 at 2-3 tables without a run of 6 and therefor we don't order wine even though we are up 600.00 its part of the System. and it works for us. some days we go home in a wobbly state but keep in mind we only live 11 minutes walk from the Casino. But many days we don't hit those runs and go home drinking water.
There's a thread about how tipping is ridiculous. Like I said, anyone's free to tip whomever they want for whatever amount they want. Or not tip at all.
I find it rather odd that you refuse to tip Baccarat dealers, yet you insist on throwing away $25 by playing both Banker and Player at the same time. The logic of that escapes me.
Quote: PaboVarmenti: I understand what you're saying. Still, I tip dealers, including blackjack and baccarat. Most often it's after a big win or a streak of 3 or more wins. Mostly with a $1 (white) chip, usually as a side bet. Refuse to tip, though, if on a bad losing streak. But I'll almost always place a side bet after a blackjack.
There's a thread about how tipping is ridiculous. Like I said, anyone's free to tip whomever they want for whatever amount they want. Or not tip at all.
I find it rather odd that you refuse to tip Baccarat dealers, yet you insist on throwing away $25 by playing both Banker and Player at the same time. The logic of that escapes me.
Paba there is more to the story, Back in 1997 I sat at the Bar tops playing Video Keno and Made quite a bit of easy money and my tipping was outrageous. I took a 10 year leave from the Casino when I got married.
After my separation I moved back to Niagara falls just about 3 months ago and when I walk into the Casino, I see the waitresses and dealers and bartenders that still to this day know me by name and treat me like absolute garbage because I order a hot chocolate and simply say thank you now instead of tip them.
Now I play Baccarat and make very good money day after day and refuse to tip them because they remember me as a High roller tipper back then but now a dollar means nothing to them as spoiled as they have become.
Just remember one important thing, The waitresses make 8.00 per hr here and Provide a Service and is deserving of a tip. Dealers just flip cards all day long and treat a 5.00 tip as if it is an insult to them. I started tipping 5.00 after each run of 8 and they see me color up a 500.00 chip and take the 5.00 tip as an insult. so I just stopped doing it.
Quote: PaboVarmenti: I understand what you're saying. Still, I tip dealers, including blackjack and baccarat. Most often it's after a big win or a streak of 3 or more wins. Mostly with a $1 (white) chip, usually as a side bet. Refuse to tip, though, if on a bad losing streak. But I'll almost always place a side bet after a blackjack.
There's a thread about how tipping is ridiculous. Like I said, anyone's free to tip whomever they want for whatever amount they want. Or not tip at all.
I find it rather odd that you refuse to tip Baccarat dealers, yet you insist on throwing away $25 by playing both Banker and Player at the same time. The logic of that escapes me.
I'm not throwing away the 25.00
I'm simply buying into the run at the very first hand (The Backbone Bet)
Quote: varmentiPaba there is more to the story, Back in 1997 I sat at the Bar tops playing Video Keno and Made quite a bit of easy money and my tipping was outrageous. I took a 10 year leave from the Casino when I got married.
After my separation I moved back to Niagara falls just about 3 months ago and when I walk into the Casino, I see the waitresses and dealers and bartenders that still to this day know me by name and treat me like absolute garbage because I order a hot chocolate and simply say thank you now instead of tip them.
Now I play Baccarat and make very good money day after day and refuse to tip them because they remember me as a High roller tipper back then but now a dollar means nothing to them as spoiled as they have become.
In that case, varmenti, I understand your position on the matter a little better. I can understand why you might hold a grudge against any dealers that were there when you were mistreated. Still, if there are dealers and waitresses who do not know you, then don't hold a grudge against them for something that happened 10+ years ago. If they treat you respectfully and make you feel welcome, then don't use the excuse that you were mistreated by a few bad eggs a number of years ago as a reason to not tip them.
I've run across terribe dealers who showed no courtesy or graciousness after a tip. I even complained about a dealer once at Bally's in AC a few years back. She refused to smile. Not once. And sat at the table (it was a sitdown table) without saying a single word to anyone. Dealt in complete silence. I and others tipped her several times during play. I don't know about the others, but I was hoping she would lighten up and show a little warmth. However, whenever anyhone tipped her, she simply picked up the chips without comment and dropped 'em in the drop box. Not a smile crossed her face, and no "thank you" came forth from her mouth. She had a grumpy look on her face the whole time, as if she hated her job and those of us sitting in front of her. So, naturally, I stopped tipping her. And I had a few choice words with the pit boss when she went on break. I told him why I was moving to another table, and suggested that she be reminded that her salary depended on keeping the customers happy. Don't know what, if anything, ever came of it.
Quote: PaboIn that case, varmenti, I understand your position on the matter a little better. .
No no no. He's a cheapskate, plain and simple, that's
why he doesn't tip. He makes peanuts when he wins
and feels there's barely enough for him, let alone a
tip. These guys are all the same, they have high ethical
reasons for not tipping, when the real reason is they're
incredibly stingy and don't want to admit it. They're a
dime a dozen, ask any dealer.
Quote: PaboIn that case, varmenti, I understand your position on the matter a little better. I can understand why you might hold a grudge against any dealers that were there when you were mistreated. Still, if there are dealers and waitresses who do not know you, then don't hold a grudge against them for something that happened 10+ years ago. If they treat you respectfully and make you feel welcome, then don't use the excuse that you were mistreated by a few bad eggs a number of years ago as a reason to not tip them.
I've run across terrible dealers who showed no courtesy or graciousness after a tip. I even complained about a dealer once at Bally's in AC a few years back. She refused to smile. Not once. And sat at the table (it was a sitdown table) without saying a single word to anyone. Dealt in complete silence. I and others tipped her several times during play. I don't know about the others, but I was hoping she would lighten up and show a little warmth. However, whenever anyhone tipped her, she simply picked up the chips without comment and dropped 'em in the drop box. Not a smile crossed her face, and no "thank you" came forth from her mouth. She had a grumpy look on her face the whole time, as if she hated her job and those of us sitting in front of her. So, naturally, I stopped tipping her. And I had a few choice words with the pit boss when she went on break. I told him why I was moving to another table, and suggested that she be reminded that her salary depended on keeping the customers happy. Don't know what, if anything, ever came of it.
actually there are still a hand full that appreciate my simple Thank you with no tip. You are correct though, Some get spoiled, some are simply supporting bad habits, and others think its just a normal part of their job and just accept the tip as if it's nothing to frown upon.
Quote: EvenBobNo no no. He's a cheapskate, plain and simple, that's
why he doesn't tip. He makes peanuts when he wins
and feels there's barely enough for him, let alone a
tip. These guys are all the same, they have high ethical
reasons for not tipping, when the real reason is they're
incredibly stingy and don't want to admit it. They're a
dime a dozen, ask any dealer.
You're a funny guy EvenBob. Funny Funny. My wife likes you and she also likes that Beetoven whatcha' - ma' call-it guy too!!!!
I'm simply buying into the run at the very first hand (The Backbone Bet)"
Varmenti, that is an illogical and nonsensical assertion. Something an amateur would say. It tells me that you are superstitious, nothing more. It also leads me to question your self-professed claim to be a professional baccart/roulette/blackjack/craps/slots player.
Most professionals, especially gamblers, know the games they play inside and out. To the nth degree. And they know the odds, and they understand the math behind the odds. And they study the strategies, sometimes becoming good enough to develop their own modifications to the well-known strategies for each game. And they can explain why they vary from the normal strategy logically and back it up with math and, better yet, results.
Sorry, but I remain unconvinced of your great success. I want to believe. I really do. But you can't use the math and logic to explain your system so that it makes sense. Your inability to do that leaves me to suspect your claims of winning (i.e. your results). Just because you gamble a lot does not make you a professional.
Quote: varmentiYou're a funny guy EvenBob. Funny Funny.
I notice you're not denying it. You don't tip
because you don't make enough to tip. Why
not just admit it. If you were making $1000
a day at Fallsview like you claim, and NOT
tipping, the dealers would have gotten rid
of you long ago. Believe it.
Quote: EvenBobNo no no. He's a cheapskate, plain and simple, that's
why he doesn't tip. He makes peanuts when he wins
and feels there's barely enough for him, let alone a
tip. These guys are all the same, they have high ethical
reasons for not tipping, when the real reason is they're
incredibly stingy and don't want to admit it. They're a
dime a dozen, ask any dealer.
Sorry, EvenBob. Was simply trying to be a little empathetic. I can see his point. A little.
Quote: Pabo"I'm not throwing away the 25.00
I'm simply buying into the run at the very first hand (The Backbone Bet)"
Varmenti, that is an illogical and nonsensical assertion. Something an amateur would say. It tells me that you are superstitious, nothing more. It also leads me to question your self-professed claim to be a professional baccart/roulette/blackjack/craps/slots player.
Most professionals, especially gamblers, know the games they play inside and out. To the nth degree. And they know the odds, and they understand the math behind the odds. And they study the strategies, sometimes becoming good enough to develop their own modifications to the well-known strategies for each game. And they can explain why they vary from the normal strategy logically and back it up with math and, better yet, results.
Sorry, but I remain unconvinced of your great success. I want to believe. I really do. But you can't use the math and logic to explain your system so that it makes sense. Your inability to do that leaves me to suspect your claims of winning (i.e. your results). Just because you gamble a lot does not make you a professional.
i can be such a newbie at times.
Quote: varmentiMan I can not answer because I don't know what the damn (hedging) word means.
Oh my... I'm glad we have professionals like you. Learn to use google at least, Mr Pro-gambler. Your beyond even understanding any help that someone could offer you.
Quote: thecesspitOh my... I'm glad we have professionals like you. Learn to use google at least, Mr Pro-gambler. Your beyond even understanding any help that someone could offer you.
Trust me, i appreciate all the posts on here including money saving tips.
