Which betting strategy do you like better for baccarat?

I am going to try one of the two following betting strategies for Baccarat. Which one do you like more?

If i win, then I keep on betting 25.
A: If i lose, 25,15,30,60,120,240. The first 25 is the last from the winning streak.
B: If I lose, 25,15,15,30,60,120,240. The first 25 is the last from the winning streak.

Strategy B can absorb 7 loses in a row while Strategy A can absorb 6. However, if i play it too safe, like with Strategy B, then I might just keep on breaking even and eat up 25 all the time without making any profit at all.

I want the safest, but also that will have me profit.

6 loses in a row is 1 out of 64
7 loses in a row is 1 out of 128

What is your feedback?

Quote: ur0pl

I am going to try one of the two following betting strategies for Baccarat. Which one do you like more?

If i win, then I keep on betting 25.
A: If i lose, 25,15,30,60,120,240. The first 25 is the last from the winning streak.
B: If I lose, 25,15,15,30,60,120,240. The first 25 is the last from the winning streak.

Strategy B can absorb 7 loses in a row while Strategy A can absorb 6. However, if i play it too safe, like with Strategy B, then I might just keep on breaking even and eat up 25 all the time without making any profit at all.

I want the safest, but also that will have me profit.

6 loses in a row is 1 out of 64
7 loses in a row is 1 out of 128

What is your feedback?

You cannot expect to profit from any betting system. Baccarat is a negative game. All that the betting progressions can do is adjust the size and frequency of your wins and losses. If you're willing to chase a minimum profit with large amounts of money, then your first negative progression is more aggressive.

Personally, I like to chase large wins with small amounts of money in bacc. I might start with $200 and try to get to $1000, giving me a very high risk of ruin.

Some people like to flat bet and just enjoy the social aspects of the game.

It's all about taste.

Quote: ur0pl

A: If i lose, 25,15,30,60,120,240. The first 25 is the last from the winning streak.
B: If I lose, 25,15,15,30,60,120,240. The first 25 is the last from the winning streak.
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What is your feedback?

Strategy B is clearly better than A, because your average bet is less.

On the risk that you don't want to hear it:
The best strategy is "C: dont play."
If C is not an option for you (for whatever reason), you should try the second best strategy "D: bet table minimum on banker".

I am going to rework this to maybe something better...

Quote: ur0pl

I am going to rework this to maybe something better...

I think that gr8player has reworked the baccarat thing to about as good as you are ever going to find. I'm sure he'll be back as soon he gets on another roll at the casino.

ur0pl, I would not recommend either of your negative progressions, my friend. Much, much too steep; not only for my own personal taste, but for casino survival, as well. I'm afraid that you'll find those 6 and 7 loss streaks a bit too common to alleviate the inherent risk factors involved. Lastly, you'll never get used to putting forth that last "bail-out" bet associated with steep negative progressions such as yours; IOW, on papers these progressions look interesting, but when the time comes to push those huge chips across the felt, especially in the midst of such a losing jag.........it's no way to "live" at this game.

sodawater: >start with $200 and try to get it to $1000 w/high risk of ruin<

Yes, sodawater, a "high risk of ruin". Too high, IMHO. All a MM plan like that'll do for you is to "train you how to lose". That said, I do happen to like the way you think, my friend. Your premise is a good one. A good one until your greed kicks in and ruins it. Go ahead and start with that same $200. Whenever you're successful at doubling that total, pocket half of those winnings. IOW, use the remaining $100 profit to fund, hopefully, yet another run-up. Now if you see that impending variance correction, and those cards do turn a bit sour on you, at least you've secured a 50% win for the session. I trust that you can see it's still a rather aggressive approach....but not nearly as "suicidal". Nothing wrong with "walking a win", sodawater. Great habit to get into. But, an impossible one for those whose own greed inhibits their true chances for success.

MangoJ: >bet table minimum on Banker<

OK. Nothing wrong with that, assuming that's your bet selection of choice. But I hope it's not your bet selection strictly for that ever-so-slight Banker's advantage at this game. Because, in that shoe or two that you'll be there for, my friend, that one-fifth of 1% won't count for a hill of beans, I'm afraid. Nor will it at your next session, or your next, or next.....

If I were you, MangoJ, and I were serious about playing and, possibly, just possibly, getting a "leg up" on this closed-end, shoe game, rather than betting for one side only (and blindly), I'd seek to find a "domination", where one side is dominating the bulk of the decisions. Streaks are the best and most common examples of dominations, but also I'd learn to look for brief "blips", or "gaps", and then resume betting the same side: PPP B PP B PPP B P....not a long P streak, but a "dom" example just the same. After a while, MangoJ, you'll learn to pick up on these in your sleep. And, after even a bit more of a while, you might get your game to the point where you can anticipate these "doms" even before they unfold completely.

I much prefer my trending approaches to betting for one side only, ad infinitum.....

But, I just happen to believe in trending at this game called Baccarat......

I wish you all the very best of it.

Flat bet $100 on banker.

I guarantee you will eventually get crushed using a negative progression.

Not too long ago I tried a 10,20,40,80,160,320,640 progression and I lost an unbelievable 8 hands in a row!

I've made several dozen casino trips during the past year experimenting with various systems and I never won more than $300 in a day using a Martingale system, but I have lost up to $1200 multiple times after losing 7 or more hands in a row.

Fortunately I was able to negate all of those devastating losses by using an anti-Martingale type strategy.

Instead of betting small during winning streaks and betting huge during losing streaks, I'd bet small or sit out during losing streaks and bump up my bets only during winning streaks.

If you start with a $50 bet, you can quickly parlay that up to $800 if you win 4 hands in a row.

Normally I don't have the guts to let all of my profit ride more than 3 times in a row, but I will bet up to 50% of my profit during a good winning streak.

It seems like almost every time I visit a casino now, I see a perfect chop or streak that lasts at least 7 hands!

Quote: 98Clubs

Flat bet $100 on banker.

Flat bet something anyway. That is the way that makes sense, but it is crushingly boring. Even though I know I am indulging a fallacy, I have to alternate between punto and banco on hunches; the difference in HE means little to me, I don't think I would ever play much.

Table minimum on banker every fourth hand.

Quote: drjohnny

Instead of betting small during winning streaks and betting huge during losing streaks, I'd bet small or sit out during losing streaks and bump up my bets only during winning streaks.

It seems like almost every time I visit a casino now, I see a perfect chop or streak that lasts at least 7 hands!

Good job, drjohnny, and nice post.

Laying back during those "negative variance" times, either by "no-betting" or minimal betting, is vital for one's chances at long-term success. And, my friend, learning to recognize those negative variance times.....and even anticipate them (in advance).....those are ingredients found only in winners' recipes.

It also teaches you patience and discipline. Two great traits for any serious player.

Lastly, drjohnny, as to your positive progression (read: parlays); nothing wrong with that. I, too, utilize positive progressions/parlays in my play. Sometimes. But not 3 and/or 4 time parlays. Don't ever want to make W W W L (3 out of 4 winners) turn up as a loser (and, yes, turning 0 profit from 3 out of 4 winning bets is another form of losing....make no mistake of it).

That said, I like the way you think, my friend. Good job.

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Which betting strategy do you like better for baccarat?

Card influencing.

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Quote: Lastly, drjohnny, as to your positive progression (read: parlays); nothing wrong with that. I, too, utilize positive progressions/parlays in my play. Sometimes. But not 3 and/or 4 time parlays. Don't ever want to make W W W L (3 out of 4 winners) turn up as a loser (and, yes, turning 0 profit from 3 out of 4 winning bets is another form of losing....make no mistake of it).

gr8player:
My first post, just joined. Hope I am doing this right - It usually takes me a while to get the hang of something new.

From your post, I assume you take your winnings at 2 wins. May I ask how do you do this specifically, regress the third bet, take down, etc. I have had problems trying to maximize wins in a run and looking for the best approach.

Beetlejuiced, welcome to the forum.

Here's the positive progression that I utilize most:

2 3 2 3 5

Up-as-you-win (just keep moving right)

Continue on even after just one loss, but at second loss return to base.

Should you win the 5 bet, remain betting the 5 until first loss, then revert to the second 2 bet, which means that your prog is then 2 3 5. But that move is only made whenever you've won at least one 5 bet.

Whenever I'm up 16 units (or more), I'll never allow my net gain to dip below 10 units for this shoe/session.

I like to utilize this progression whenever:

1.) I'm expecting a "variance upturn".
2.) I'm anticipating an "unbalance correction".

Both instances require a knowledge of this game.... both of one's own bet selection's statistics and of the very natural "Laws of Series" and/or "ecarts".

"Things"/"certain things" happen for a reason. It is the very anticipation of these "things" that can be rather profitable for the knowledgeable Bac player.

And the very reason that I choose to play this "closed-end, shoe game"....despite the house's edge. I happen to value my personal player's edges more.

I wish you all the very best of it.

>>>Beetlejuiced, welcome to the forum.
Here's the positive progression that I utilize most: 2 3 2 3 5 <<<

Thanks for the welcome. Haven't figure out how to previous quotes into the quote boxes yet - what the secret?

Your series is interesting. If I anticipate a Run of at least 3, I have used 2 3 5 successfully, then like you I start over (take profit on the 4th bet) and ride it up again. But the 5s strip away the previous 2 wins - which is why I have been looking for something better. John Patrick recommended the 2 1 2 series as a conservative approach that "locks-in" the early wins. And I recently started toying around with 2 1 2 3 5 for when I believe a longer run is in progress. The advantage is that each step takes some profit and advances the wager - but again the 5 takes a bite. And been thinking maybe 2 1 3 5 3.... would be better if you've a very strong confidence in Runs of at least 4.
Anyone else found any good betting series for when a run is in progress?

>>>Continue on even after just one loss,<<< Why? Run is over, are you expecting linked runs (i.e. back-to-back B & P runs) - again, if so why?

>>>I like to utilize this progression whenever:
1.) I'm expecting a "variance upturn".
2.) I'm anticipating an "unbalance correction".
Both instances require a knowledge of this game.... both of one's own bet selection's statistics and of the very natural "Laws of Series" and/or "ecarts".<<<

Having a successful betting approach is nice, but as you obviously understand being reasonably sure of the Runs is crucial for the win (although the 2 1 2 seems relatively safe). I'm not exactly sure of your use of the terms: "Laws of Series", ecarts", "variance upturn" and "unbalance correction". Did a quick search here but only found a few things? If you are relying on a distribution of the mathematical series of the various Run probabilities and that "unbalance correction" refers to it, we are probably pretty close in our approaches to identify runs. But I "fess" - don't have a clue what "variance upturn” refers to. Variance" to me is a statistical term that equals the Standard Deviation squared - is this you mean? ("ecarts" is also a French term for the Standard Deviation - your meaning?.) If so, how is that applied to a B&M baccarat game?

Wishing you luck

Beetlejuiced

Progressions are of a personal nature, what you might consider aggressive, I might view as conservative. I happen to prefer mine over the "2 1 2", but that shouldn't influence your opinion or usage; it's imperative to play within your personal "comfort zone".

As far as variance is concerned, you should know that I am a devout believer and follower of the very nature of variance, and, most importantly, it's direct correlation to one's results as it pertains to any 50/50 prop. In fact, by it's very nature, variance statistics prove to be rather broad whenever they're applied to any even money (read: 50/50) game. I know that, so I've done everything I can, in my control, to "tighten" (read: reduce) that variance. Towards that end, I've developed a few trending plays that I utilize consistently at each and every session that carry as "tight a variance" (and as reliable, as well) as I can find.

That doesn't mean that I "bet blindly" for them. In fact, as often as I'm betting for them, I'm "no-betting" them. It's dependent on the results that "this particular shoe" (or portion thereof) is pre-disposed to dispense.

But, that all said, I also keep current statistics on each of my preferred trending plays, and, after a play has proven to be a "laggard" (read: variance downturn), I'll seek to "ride" the impending "variance upturn"; generally with that very progression that I just presented to you, in order to maximize my profit potential.

And then I'll "walk that win". I'm not afraid to "leave some money on the table", should that occur, so be it. I am very content to "walk my win". It will, forever in my mind, beat the possibility of "overstaying my welcome" (read: turning a winner into a loser). So, I've learned to accept any win. They will, regardless of size, all add up rather nicely over the long term.

Look, Beetlejuice, I'm a Baccarat "nut". I'm a "lifer". I take this game very seriously, and I play it the same way. Every time.

And, most importantly, I hold my own. Not too shabby, considering I'm playimg a negative expectancy game. It ain't easy.

Tomorrow night, when I play next, the counter resets to zero; it doesn't count for a hill of beans that I've won my last few sessions. Gotta do it all over again tomorrow night. And, after I win that session, I gotta do it all again on Friday afternoon.

But that's the mindset that I've developed, because that's my reality, and, I should add, I'm fine with it. I "puts my money up and I takes my chances", just like everyone else. I just happen to "likes my chances" over the casino's. That's all. Just a quiet confidence that all comes rather naturally to any serious, patient, and disciplined player.

As always, I wish it for all of you.

Flat betting $50 or $100. Achieve three to four units win per shoe within 15 bets or less. Thus having a player advantage of 12% and above. My turnover should be equal to or better less than my bankroll in play. This is where I don't over bet where I am playing with a theoretical bankroll I don't "have". This is when things are going well. Stop loss is if and when I have three straight losses. Just color out and leave. Personally I don't like progressions because it doesn't fit my personality.

I can say that the best edges are that you don't have to bet every hand and you are allowed and even encouraged to record the results. Not many games allow you to do that. With these two variables your edge is greatly increased and variance reduced immensely if you have some sort of method(s). Plus I can say that this is the only casino game where you can find some flat betting methodology and be consistently profitable. You will definitely hit some walls but you can get yourself back up in a shoe or two. Emotional discipline is key.

Hello, D-man.

>Stop loss is if and when I have three straight losses. Just color out and leave.<

Wow. Great if you can adhere to that; far be it for me to fault that stop-loss strategy. But, that said, considering my travel times to get into a live casino, I could never follow that strict a guideline/stop-loss. What I do is that, after any 3 consecutive losses, I'll await a "virtual" (read: on paper) win, then resume betting after I get one. But, I must say, even that blew up a bit at a recent session a few weeks ago, where even after a got that "virtual" win, I still lost that next "real" bet a few times (rare, but happens). So, obviously, there's no "right or wrong", there's no "perfect stop-loss strategy"; there's only what we, personally, as players, are comfortable with. And, of course, practicality....again taking into account my long travel time to any live casino.

>Personally I don't like progressions because it doesn't fit my personality.<

Nor mine. I mostly flat bet, as well. But I'll "adjust" those unit sizes, based upon certain pre-set, pre-calculated criteria. Now, if anyone wishes to call my "bet size adjustments" a progression, OK, I've no problem with that. Just know that I don't see it that way. I see it as an adjustment based upon certain criteria (read: certain prior results).

That all said, regardless it's definition, one's personal MM plan must fit perfectly within both one's own personal bankroll and one's own comfort zone.

>With these two variables your edge is greatly increased and variance reduced immensely if you have some sort of method(s).<

Yep.

And you'll never see any increase in your edge without a drastic reduction of your variance. Can't happen. They go hand-in-hand. Otherwise, you're just another mook wishin' and hopin' that your 7-step Marty doesn't bust.

>Emotional discipline is key.<

D-man, you know me long enough and well enough to know my views about that.

Without patience and discipline we all have N.O.T.H.I.N.G. I know that and you know that. The power of self-control; the power of controlling that which you can control within the casino environment. Give up that control and you give up all hope of any sort of long-term success. And that control is attainable ONLY with the very necessary P & D. Not just for this session, not just for this shoe, not just for this hand....ALWAYS.

It's a mind-set. And it's a mind-set that takes years to develope. And, still, after all those years, after all that experience; you STILL need to remind yourself of it every single moment in that chair at the table, most especially when things aren't going as well as expected. That, my friends, is where you're gonna find out about the REAL TRUTH ABOUT YOU. The question then becomes: Can you handle THE TRUTH?

Look, nobody.....NOBODY.....can turn you into a better, more successful player. That's something that's got to come from within, or else it means nothing, and will, at best, be fleeting. What do they say about "easy come, easy go"? Well, they are right. You've got to put in the effort to train yourself....like an Olympic athlete...I mean really train yourself to think correctly at the tables. Then it's but a short step to act correctly at the tables. Then the winning (or the limited-as-possible losses) becomes much more naturally. And then it becomes a habit. Not to empty the casino coffers. That ain't never gonna happen. But to get up from the table a winner ("winner" being defined as cashing out for more money than you bought in for). ANY WIN, small as it may be...that becomes what is commonly called a "positive reinforcement". And it becomes repetitive...a habit, if you will. Not the dollars...rather, the joy of the win. The dollars? They will all add up just so very nicely when you learn more about "loss avoidance/conservative win goals"; and, my friends, when you develope that very necessary mind-set YOU WILL KNOW IT. How? You'll find yourself doing much, much better at the tables and doing so much more consistently.

And here's the kicker: You'll find yourself winning more while risking less. I never, ever did better at the tables than I'm doing now (save for one 30-session win streak back a hundred years ago) and I've never, ever bet smaller unit sizes than I am now. Why? Because I've finally learned what is (and what is not) really important at the tables. I've learned what my player's edges are, and I've learned how to maintain control over them. And how that leads to success, over the long term.

As always, I wish it for all of you.

gr8,

Hey. Just like to let you and everyone know that my profit goals and all that emotional discipline that come with it are not achieved overnight or within days/weeks/months. This took me about three years to understand and to successfully properly execute. I can admit that there are times even today especially at a $100 table at the Wynn/Encore in Vegas I broke my own rules a few times. I am just conservative and who does not like volatility. I don't like my chip stack go skyscraper sky high one minute and become a one story family home the next. Maybe this is why I stay away from popular games like blackjack and poker because you can't make the same kinds of bets all/most of the time. After you played/practiced long enough you realize and discover that it is more about playing correctly and making proper decisions than how much money you can make. I can say that I rather be that guy who played three tables for two/three hours or less and come out ahead $1,200 from a bankroll of $1,500 than someone who played for 16 hours who doesn't know the time of day and up $40,000 with the same bankroll. After looking back at my own time at the tables, seeing other players, the casinos are opened 24/7, and there will always be a baccarat game somewhere, it is more about the quality time than the quantity. Quantity will always be there but it is the quality of your time and play are what matters to win at this for the long term.

Even when I am not at the tables I am still playing baccarat everyday and figuring things out. For me I play around 10 to 20 tables a day in my down time. With technology today especially things have become mobile and portable, there is always time to practice/play in your time away from the tables. There are tons of worthy programs for the iPad/iPod Touch and Android that you can simulate the real table experience without possibly losing your shirt. This is the time you can play many hands and discover what works for you and comfortable with. So by the time you develop something and you reach the point of real money wagering you don't end up constantly second guessing your own moves which is a definite no no.

I can say there is no actual secret to win at this really. The real secret is quality meaningful practice that overcome that steep learning curve. It is about mastery and the process. Understanding and appreciating that journey is more important than the destination.

gra8,

Well you have been at this more than I ever have. Your insight and comments are always informative and helpful in my plays. Hopefully more folks take the time from their own experiences and incorporate the stuff you have been sharing.

Betting as so is deadly. A few people here provided a lot of good advice. This is the best discussion I've seen yet. There is no solid strategy for Baccarat but there are some that will give you some edge. Someone here mentioned practicing and getting comfortable with what works for you. Another person mention about having the nerve to make those large bets. Playing with fake money is a lot different from playing with real money.

Someone on Youtube create a few videos that seems to cover some of these points. Watch his/her videos and you might learn something. Search art of baccarat and you can find the videos.

Quote: Babu76

There is no solid strategy for Baccarat but there are some that will give you some edge.

Oh brother. Not this again.

Hello, Babu76, welcome to forum.

>Another person mention about the nerve to make those large bets.<

True, it does take a bit of "nerve", but, frankly, IMHO, a lot more stupidity.

Gamblers are a strange lot, indeed. And what may or may not be going through their minds during their course of play is, unquestionably, unpredictable for most. And, frankly, Babu76, therein lies the crux of the problem.

At the tables, in the heat of the moment, is definitely not the place to make any rash decisions. And they simply don't get any "rasher" than making those "large bets". Why? Because you simply can't win when you succumb to the pressure that precludes those larger-than-normal bets:

IF YOU WIN, it'll serve to send a message to you, a wrong message, a dangerous message, that the easiest way around any difficulty is simply to "load up" and push an inordinate amount of chips into the circle.

IF YOU LOSE, you'll find yourself looking for your valet parking receipt to get outta there as quickly as you can. Self-destruction at its finest....or, should I say, worst?

Many gamblers play this way because they have not much else they can rely on at the tables, least of all themselves, and so they seek as quick a resolution to their gambling session as they can muster. If that means "over-betting", and, make no mistake of it, it certainly does, at some point or another, then "so be it".

Not a way to live at the baccarat tables, or any of the tables.

So forget that "nerve" notion, Babu76; it's more a lack of nerve, a lack of planning, a lack of patience and discipline, and so they cave in to the pressure of it all. And they seek resolution; either way, win or lose, at least their fate's been resolved. What they fail to realize is: its been resolved for this bet only. For, in the long term, it's certain "loserville"; again, no way to live at the Baccarat table.

Beware of anyone who avoids the challenge.

You've simply got to find a way, Beethoven9th, to get past this ridiculous "challenge" notion.

I play this game diiferently than, apparently, you could ever imagine. I play the long term. I live in the long term. What would you have me do, play countless amounts of shoes/sessions here in this forum? And towards what end, to please you? Are you for real, Beeethoven9th? Do I owe you something? Need I prove my play to you?

I much prefer to prove it at the tables. My mode of play at this game is, long-term speaking, infallible. Only I can mess it up. Me, only. The casino, with their 1%, is at my mercy. Do you hear that, Beethoven9th? It's obvious you can read, but it's your comprehension skills that, to me anyway, appear lacking. So I will reapeat it, just a bit louder, just for you:

INFALLIBLE.

Quote: gr8player

I much prefer to prove it at the tables.

No, you don't. rdw4potus wanted you to prove it, but you ran away from his challenge.

Guess your system must be FALLIBLE.

Quote: gr8player

My mode of play at this game is...infallible. The casino...is at my mercy.

Is that why your results are the same as everyone else? LOL!

If you never believe, it will not happen. You you don't believe that there is a slight edge somehow, you wouldn't be here looking for one.

Quote: Babu76

If you don't believe that there is a slight edge somehow, you wouldn't be here looking for one.

There isn't one. And that's not why we're here.

Thanks! You are right in regards to those large bets. When I say large bets, I don't refer to those table max or even a third of your bankroll. I was referring to maybe 8 times the table minimum. After playing for so many years, I mind that there is no methodical way to place bet amounts. It should vary in size, sporadically.

My winnings were great until greed and a series of event kicked in. Two long term layoffs with huge bill was my downfall. My patience were long gone when since then. For the longest time, I could not understand why until it was two late. Well, not exactly. It is never too late. ...

Quick question? Has anyone here have any success?

I knew a few people people who won big but that's only because they bet big. There was only one that I knew of that started small and in the course of one year gain $800,000. Yes, six figures.

There was also a legend who started with $40 and in 3 years got up to $40 million. Although he loss all if not a lot of it back after that. I think you can do a search to find a story on him. I don't remember the name.

So why is everyone here? To share their sorrow?


It isn't easy to find that is why everyone is scratching their heads. If every just keep thinking there isn't one without giving it a second thought or even hear out what others have to say, then they will never find one. It doesn't hurt to listen. I do know some people who are doing well but refuses to give some tips on how it's done.

Quote: Babu76

I do know some people who are doing well but refuses to give some tips on how it's done.

Yeah, that's because it's luck. It doesn't take very much at all to understand the math of baccarat, and the math very clearly shows that there's no way to beat the game.

And I won't speak for others, but I'm definitely here to laugh at the idiots who think they've found a system that works.

I'm not a Mathematician and I will probably never know what the Math says. I do know a Mathematician from UCLA that said that it's not easy to beat. That doesn't suggest that it couldn't be.

I recognize luck when I see it. I'm not saying luck isn't a factor in some of these people's winnings. I recognize the very few that play their very own way and gain using their strategy. By strategy, I don't mean just figuring out what to bet but when to call it quits for the day and what to avoid.

I don't play daily but I've played long enough to know that it's possible to win a decent about daily. I did make a lot of mistakes along the way so it will just take a little bit of curving. I don't go unless I have extras to play and it takes a long why to save up. You can't risk when you have family to care for. It will take me a few more months before I save up enough bankroll to return to the seen. In the meantime, I'm just trying to absorb what some have to say about their experience.

Apparently, you don't have much of a life to have so many time to come and laugh at people.

Quote: Babu76

I do know a Mathematician from UCLA that said that it's not easy to beat.

Who is this person? (If you can't name him, then he doesn't exist)

Quote: Babu76

it's possible to win a decent about [sic] daily....You can't risk when you have family to care for.

So you think it's possible to win daily, yet you don't want to risk doing so? Yeah, that makes sense.

Quote: Babu76

Apparently, you don't have much of a life to have so many time to come and laugh at people.

You are significantly overestimating the number of people who come here thinking they've found winning systems.

So you want me to tell you his name so that you can find him just to tell you that you CAN'T win in the game of Baccarat? Do you give out other people's name and information in public forums?


If you read my other post correctly, I mention I made a few mistakes along the way. I'm not sure if I can curve it just yet. Would you take rent and family's food money to risk if you don't know for sure? Do you understand what "THINK" means?

Anyhow, I'm not here to argue with anyone. Just want to read what experience others are going through and share a few of my own.

Quote: Babu76

So you want me to tell you his name so that you can find him just to tell you that you CAN'T win in the game of Baccarat? Do you give out other people's name and information in public forums?

OK, then 1,000 mathematicians told me that you're wrong. But I won't name them.

Quote: Babu76

Would you take rent and family's food money to risk if you don't know for sure?

Of course not, because I know for sure that you can't win in the long run at baccarat.

Quote: gr8player

You've simply got to find a way, Beethoven9th, to get past this ridiculous "challenge" notion.

I play this game diiferently than, apparently, you could ever imagine. I play the long term. I live in the long term. What would you have me do, play countless amounts of shoes/sessions here in this forum? And towards what end, to please you? Are you for real, Beeethoven9th? Do I owe you something? Need I prove my play to you?

I much prefer to prove it at the tables. My mode of play at this game is, long-term speaking, infallible. Only I can mess it up. Me, only. The casino, with their 1%, is at my mercy. Do you hear that, Beethoven9th? It's obvious you can read, but it's your comprehension skills that, to me anyway, appear lacking. So I will reapeat it, just a bit louder, just for you:

INFALLIBLE.

gr8player,

This is not in response to what you have to say above. Not sure how to direct this message to you because I'm new at forums. How long have you played Baccarat and what are your results so far? If you don't mind sharing. I read part of your other thread. I'm not one who likes to read or write much because reading long paragraphs you wrote hurts my eyes.

Are you in the East or West coast? I play in Southern Cali. For the most part, I usually bet against others because of the style that I play. I usually try to go first so people won't give me dirty looks. I read regarding "YOU" in control of yourself when you decide to leave casino. I used to do that part very well. When I am up, i realize the casino can take it back when I am still there. If I leave, there is no way for them to take it back for that day.

Quote: Babu76

You can't risk when you have family to care for.

Correct.

Family responsibilities come first. Always.

When they're taken care of, only then, can you ever have as much as a chance at long term success at this game.

It takes a clear head and clear bankroll, unburdened of other needs.

And, my friend, even then, nothing is guaranteed.

The fellas around here that claim that there exists no winning system are absolutely correct.

There is no objective, mechanical system that'll serve to overcome the built-in house edge.

I state that not to appease the peanut gallery 'round here, rather, I do so for you, Babu76.

Stay away from the game, save your money, and put it to its best use for you and your family.

I cannot impart any advice to you, at this time, any better than that.

Eventually, maybe, just maybe, you'll have your head in the right place to where you can begin to really comprehend how this game can be played to your fullest benefit, but that takes so much, so very much, subjectively.

Only each of us, from within, can ever conjure up exactly what it takes to get the better of this game.

Until then, my friend, avoid any temptations, as I wish you and your family all the very best.

Quote: gr8player

The fellas around here that claim that there exists no winning system are absolutely correct.

There is no objective, mechanical system that'll serve to overcome the built-in house edge.

Ah, so the truth finally comes out. Good for you!

Quote: gr8player

Correct.

Family responsibilities come first. Always.

When they're taken care of, only then, can you ever have as much as a chance at long term success at this game.

It takes a clear head and clear bankroll, unburdened of other needs.

And, my friend, even then, nothing is guaranteed.

The fellas around here that claim that there exists no winning system are absolutely correct.

There is no objective, mechanical system that'll serve to overcome the built-in house edge.

I state that not to appease the peanut gallery 'round here, rather, I do so for you, Babu76.

Stay away from the game, save your money, and put it to its best use for you and your family.

I cannot impart any advice to you, at this time, any better than that.

Eventually, maybe, just maybe, you'll have your head in the right place to where you can begin to really comprehend how this game can be played to your fullest benefit, but that takes so much, so very much, subjectively.

Only each of us, from within, can ever conjure up exactly what it takes to get the better of this game.

Until then, my friend, avoid any temptations, as I wish you and your family all the very best.

Thanks for the advice. I don't play very often and I don't expect to get rich from it. I play once in a while to get a little extra and to satisfy my curiosity of the game.

I discovered comparing a long streak during the first 17 hands and betting on the 30th hand gives you a shorter streak of 2 to 3 outcomes. This is where i bet using the 7TWELVE17 method.

Write in English please

this is My system: 1-1-1-2-2-4-4-8-8 = 31 units