No ties in a MB shoe?
December 24th, 2012 at 10:26:12 PM
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I work at a casino and someone asked me if I had ever seen a MB shoe without a single tie in it. After thinking about it, in 10 years working and more playing I can't recall ever seeing one. I also combed through part at the wizard of odds site with the 10,000 shoes of MB and didn't see any in there? Not that I would bankroll and try it but is the a progressive bet that would not exceed any normal table limits? I don't know how to quickly figure out how much a roughly 80 bet progressive would be at an 8 to 1 payout lol. Has anyone seen such a shoe?
December 24th, 2012 at 11:15:40 PM
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The Wizard's site only shows 1000 shoes of baccarat with 6 decks, and 1000 shoes with 8 decks.
The 6 deck game has 0 ties in Shoe #312.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-6-deck.txt
The 8-deck game is tie-free, but it's not terribly surprising since it's only 1000 shoes.
If the average shoe is 82 hands in an 8-deck game, the chances of a zero tie shoe is approximately 1 in 3639. So it's not that unlikely that a series of 1000 shoes has no ties. There were several shoes that only had 1 tie in the 1000-shoe simulation with 8 decks. Play/deal baccarat long enough and you'll definitely see a tie-less shoe. My guess is you have already seen one, but since you weren't focused on the tie bet, you don't recall seeing one.
The 6 deck game has 0 ties in Shoe #312.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-6-deck.txt
The 8-deck game is tie-free, but it's not terribly surprising since it's only 1000 shoes.
If the average shoe is 82 hands in an 8-deck game, the chances of a zero tie shoe is approximately 1 in 3639. So it's not that unlikely that a series of 1000 shoes has no ties. There were several shoes that only had 1 tie in the 1000-shoe simulation with 8 decks. Play/deal baccarat long enough and you'll definitely see a tie-less shoe. My guess is you have already seen one, but since you weren't focused on the tie bet, you don't recall seeing one.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:39:50 PM
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For future readers.
Only one time can I remember going close to the end of an 8 deck shoe without a tie.
ALL the players were betting big for one and one came.
I found some old sim data files.
Tie Distribution per 8 deck shoe with a 13 card ribbon
The number of Ties per 8 deck shoe
looks about 1 in 3225 for no ties
For a 6 Deck shoe
The number of Ties per 6 deck shoe
looks about 1 in 403 for no ties
Sim data by Winstats Baccarat Sim, Peanut Software
RIP Rick Parris
also here
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/10681-odds-of-no-tie-baccarat/
Only one time can I remember going close to the end of an 8 deck shoe without a tie.
ALL the players were betting big for one and one came.
I found some old sim data files.
Tie Distribution per 8 deck shoe with a 13 card ribbon
The number of Ties per 8 deck shoe
looks about 1 in 3225 for no ties
Ties Freq Prob
0 682 0.00031
1 5003 0.002274091
2 23043 0.010474091
3 65215 0.029643182
4 133637 0.060744091
5 213380 0.096990909
6 288579 0.131172273
7 329710 0.149868182
8 324484 0.147492727
9 275778 0.125353636
10 208797 0.094907727
11 144279 0.065581364
12 88849 0.040385909
13 51261 0.023300455
14 26194 0.011906364
15 12505 0.005684091
16 5286 0.002402727
17 2088 0.000949091
18 690 0.000313636
19 355 0.000161364
20 125 5.68182E-05
21 12 5.45455E-06
22 46 2.09091E-05
23 1 4.54545E-07
24 0 0
25 0 0
26 0 0
27 1 4.54545E-07
2200000
grouped data
items: 2,200,000
minimum value: 0.00
first quartile: 6.00
median: 8.00
third quartile: 9.00
maximum value: 22.00
mean value: 7.77
midrange: 11.00
range: 22.00
interquartile range: 3.00
mean abs deviation: 2.12
sample variance (n): 7.05
sample variance (n-1): 7.05
sample std dev (n): 2.66
sample std dev (n-1): 2.66
For a 6 Deck shoe
The number of Ties per 6 deck shoe
looks about 1 in 403 for no ties
Ties Freq Prob
0 2481 0.002481
1 15331 0.015331
2 46979 0.046979
3 96840 0.09684
4 146469 0.146469
5 173238 0.173238
6 168527 0.168527
7 136903 0.136903
8 96280 0.09628
9 58852 0.058852
10 32063 0.032063
11 15309 0.015309
12 6640 0.00664
13 2731 0.002731
14 912 0.000912
15 316 0.000316
16 98 0.000098
17 19 0.000019
18 10 0.00001
19 2 0.000002
grouped data
items: 1,000,000
minimum value: 0.00
first quartile: 4.00
median: 6.00
third quartile: 7.00
maximum value: 19.00
mean value: 5.75
midrange: 9.50
range: 19.00
interquartile range: 3.00
mean abs deviation: 1.83
sample variance (n): 5.21
sample variance (n-1): 5.21
sample std dev (n): 2.28
sample std dev (n-1): 2.28
RIP Rick Parris
also here
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/10681-odds-of-no-tie-baccarat/
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