Craps system: $18,485 profit after 776 rolls
December 10th, 2012 at 9:04:34 PM
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I never thought this simple craps system would work without dice control, but to my surprise it has given me amazing results at home...
- $20K bankroll recommended since you'll be risking $650 per throw
- Place $100 on the 5 & 9
- Place $120 on the 6 & 8
- Buy the 4 & 10 for $100
- Have all bets working for every roll, even the come out
Results:
- $18,485 profit after 776 total rolls
- Largest loss was only -$1520 after 256 rolls
- Rolls to sevens ratio was 7.76:1 (pretty lucky considering I wasn't doing controlled throws)
I'll need plenty of practice doing controlled throws with only $5 on the pass line before I start risking $650 per throw.
If I do execute this system in the casino, I'll probably only bet on myself and others who are on fire.
- $20K bankroll recommended since you'll be risking $650 per throw
- Place $100 on the 5 & 9
- Place $120 on the 6 & 8
- Buy the 4 & 10 for $100
- Have all bets working for every roll, even the come out
Results:
- $18,485 profit after 776 total rolls
- Largest loss was only -$1520 after 256 rolls
- Rolls to sevens ratio was 7.76:1 (pretty lucky considering I wasn't doing controlled throws)
I'll need plenty of practice doing controlled throws with only $5 on the pass line before I start risking $650 per throw.
If I do execute this system in the casino, I'll probably only bet on myself and others who are on fire.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:07:45 PM
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" others who are on fire. " Easily identified by the smoke coming from their ears.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 10th, 2012 at 9:19:46 PM
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December 10th, 2012 at 9:26:20 PM
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" How do you believe the system caused fewer 7s to appear? " Gee it's right there.
" I'll probably only bet on myself and others who are on fire. " what don't you understand ?
" I'll probably only bet on myself and others who are on fire. " what don't you understand ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 10th, 2012 at 9:32:11 PM
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Quote: drjohnnyI never thought this simple craps system would work without dice control, but to my surprise it has given me amazing results at home...
- $20K bankroll recommended since you'll be risking $650 per throw
- Place $100 on the 5 & 9
- Place $120 on the 6 & 8
- Buy the 4 & 10 for $100
- Have all bets working for every roll, even the come out
Results:
- $18,485 profit after 776 total rolls
- Largest loss was only -$1520 after 256 rolls
- Rolls to sevens ratio was 7.76:1 (pretty lucky considering I wasn't doing controlled throws)
I'll need plenty of practice doing controlled throws with only $5 on the pass line before I start risking $650 per throw.
If I do execute this system in the casino, I'll probably only bet on myself and others who are on fire.
Although it's not much better, if you drop the 5 & 9, you will decrease the edge per roll pretty significantly.
I went and looked at your systems posts on Baccarat. In case you're interested in developing systems, I think with free odds, systems are easier in craps than in Baccarat. But you're still going to succumb to the edge eventually. Then it's just a matter of whether the risk is worth the reward in the mean time in combination with the idea that given that you will eventually lose, can you manage to quit gambling with a profit before that time.
Martingale works with an infinite bankroll. As the bankroll diminishes, so does the amount of time it takes to be defeated by the house's edge.
The most famous system that I have heard of is called "the method" and I know nothing about it.
But systems in craps are a plenty because the combined edge is so low.
Best of luck and hopefully if you choose to use a system you will quit with a profit and move on to other things.
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December 10th, 2012 at 9:54:46 PM
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Quote: sodawaterIs it surprising you won by experiencing a run of throws where sevens were only 1/8.76 of all rolls?
My rolls to sevens ratio was 7.76:1, not 8.76:1.
I'm still surprised it wasn't closer to 6:1 considering I didn't set the dice and all throws were random.
Hopefully after practicing enough controlled throws in the casino, I'll be able to consistently get at least a 7:1 ratio and make this system work.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:01:31 PM
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December 10th, 2012 at 10:01:46 PM
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I'm going to add another thought here: it seems like you are really really new to this whole thing. I would be careful getting overconfident. It can be an expensive lesson.
If someone told you that you could just use the system of betting everything but three numbers on roulette and make a unit profit, would you do that?
Hopefully you can see that this system gets killed pretty quick on a double zero table.
Well imagine if you had a single zero and bet everything but two numbers?
Edge still too high?
Then how about french roulette with "en prison" and cut the edge in half again?
Still too high? Well, Baccarat, then craps, but you're still going to have the edge bite you in the ass eventually.
I would read up on this some more before you put money behind any of your systems.
In general, the lower the edge the longer the system will work.
But they, in general, all fail in the long run. It's just how long can you prolong the inevitable.
Just my advice.
If someone told you that you could just use the system of betting everything but three numbers on roulette and make a unit profit, would you do that?
Hopefully you can see that this system gets killed pretty quick on a double zero table.
Well imagine if you had a single zero and bet everything but two numbers?
Edge still too high?
Then how about french roulette with "en prison" and cut the edge in half again?
Still too high? Well, Baccarat, then craps, but you're still going to have the edge bite you in the ass eventually.
I would read up on this some more before you put money behind any of your systems.
In general, the lower the edge the longer the system will work.
But they, in general, all fail in the long run. It's just how long can you prolong the inevitable.
Just my advice.
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December 10th, 2012 at 10:53:57 PM
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Quote: sodawater7.76:1 ratio of non-sevens to sevens is the same thing as 1/8.76 of the rolls were sevens.
If you're trying to say that you got a seven every 7.76 rolls then you should express it as 6.76:1 or 1/7.76.
I never heard of a non-sevens to sevens ratio before, only a total rolls to sevens ratio.
The rolls to sevens ratio (RSR) I'm accustomed to is explained on the Wizard's dice setting page.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:28:18 PM
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Quote: AhighI would read up on this some more before you put money behind any of your systems.
I've already read Wong on Dice and The Mad Professor's Crapshooting Bible.
I plan on practicing at least 1,000 practice throws in the casino with only $5 on the pass line and recording every result.
I'll only execute this system if I end up with an RSR of at least 6.5.
I'm also thinking of modifying my craps system by doing come bets and eventually replacing my place / buy bets with odds bets for better payoffs.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:57:54 PM
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776 rolls is inadequate, seems to me you should know that.
Spend $20 and get Wincraps. A simple system like this is easy to put in to test. Then you can test this for something adequate like 10 million rolls.
On the other hand, don't you already know you are just trying to get lucky?
Spend $20 and get Wincraps. A simple system like this is easy to put in to test. Then you can test this for something adequate like 10 million rolls.
On the other hand, don't you already know you are just trying to get lucky?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
December 11th, 2012 at 12:15:48 AM
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Quote: odiousgambit776 rolls is inadequate, seems to me you should know that.
Spend $20 and get Wincraps. A simple system like this is easy to put in to test. Then you can test this for something adequate like 10 million rolls.
On the other hand, don't you already know you are just trying to get lucky?
If I have an RSR of at least 6.5 after a few thousand practice rolls, I'll consider myself a somewhat skilled dice controller, not a random shooter who just got "lucky"...
December 11th, 2012 at 2:00:51 AM
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drjohnny, let me see if I understand this:
you got lucky and now you think you have a system that will repeat your good luck... at home?
okay. am I supposed to pay for something now??
you got lucky and now you think you have a system that will repeat your good luck... at home?
okay. am I supposed to pay for something now??
December 11th, 2012 at 2:18:21 AM
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December 11th, 2012 at 2:33:14 AM
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Quote: sodawaterIf you can roll a seven less than one time in six you don't need a betting system...almost every bet on the table is a big winner. So I don't understand the point of this post or system.
Even the best dice controllers in the world will lose money if they play the sucker bets (i.e. anything in the table middle).
December 11th, 2012 at 5:31:35 AM
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Quote: drjohnny
Hopefully after practicing enough controlled throws in the casino, I'll be able to consistently get at least a 7:1 ratio and make this system work.
I will bet you any sum you want that you cannot get a 7 - 1 ratio. But if you could, just go to a 100x odds place, play $5 pass line, $5 come bets, with max odds. It won't take you long to acheive millions in profit. Some math guy here could figure it out, but I'd guess that level of dice control would allow a million to be made in less than 24 hours. Good luck.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:48:33 AM
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Quote: drjohnnyEven the best dice controllers in the world will lose money if they play the sucker bets (i.e. anything in the table middle).
Who are the best dice controllers in the world?
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871
December 11th, 2012 at 5:54:47 AM
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Me, for one. I am as good as the experts, even throwing the dice behind my back.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 11th, 2012 at 6:11:02 AM
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Keep in mind the there is always a probability of having an RSR >6.5 and still be a random shooter, just through the binomial distribution.
For a RSR of >6.5, you have to throw 7s in less than a probability of 1/6.5 = .153856.
Probability of a random shooter throwing 153 or less 7s in 1,000 rolls = .131398
Probability of a random shooter throwing 307 or less 7s in 2,000 rolls = .059404
Probability of a random shooter throwing 461 or less 7s in 3,000 rolls = .028675
Probability of a random shooter throwing 615 or less 7s in 4,000 rolls = .014297
Probability of a random shooter throwing 769 or less 7s in 5,000 rolls = .007270
Probability of a random shooter throwing 1,538 or less 7s in 10,000 rolls = .000258
So, even if your result looks promising in 4,000 trials, you might just be lucky. 4,000 trials represents about 60 hours of shooting on a live craps table.
For a RSR of >6.5, you have to throw 7s in less than a probability of 1/6.5 = .153856.
Probability of a random shooter throwing 153 or less 7s in 1,000 rolls = .131398
Probability of a random shooter throwing 307 or less 7s in 2,000 rolls = .059404
Probability of a random shooter throwing 461 or less 7s in 3,000 rolls = .028675
Probability of a random shooter throwing 615 or less 7s in 4,000 rolls = .014297
Probability of a random shooter throwing 769 or less 7s in 5,000 rolls = .007270
Probability of a random shooter throwing 1,538 or less 7s in 10,000 rolls = .000258
So, even if your result looks promising in 4,000 trials, you might just be lucky. 4,000 trials represents about 60 hours of shooting on a live craps table.
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December 11th, 2012 at 7:34:31 AM
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It's pretty easy to confuse luck and skill in the game of craps.
That's really what makes the game fun though.
Good luck on your quest and keep us updated with your progress.
That's really what makes the game fun though.
Good luck on your quest and keep us updated with your progress.
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